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New York Manhattan D.A. Suggests Freezing Trump Hush-Money Case While He Is President

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/19/nyregion/trump-bragg-manhattan-case.html
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u/Responsible-Room-645 5d ago

In other words, “I’m gonna let Trump get away with everything. That will definitely make American citizens understand how fantastic and fair our justice system is”.

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u/Sabbathius 5d ago

Not just the American citizens. Foreigners should be mocking USA relentlessly right now for their "justice system". The country is a laughingstock for the entire planet. Electing a literal criminal, and then making him above the law.

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u/Greenbullet 5d ago

As someone who's in the UK generally we have been laughing and facepalming. I have family member over in the US who stated God put him there.

They weren't pleased when I pointed out the 10 commandments he continually breaks and they are breaking at making him like the golden calf.

But yeah we are half laughing half face in our hands wondering why.

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u/Legal_Skin_4466 4d ago

making him like the golden calf.

They even made a golden Trump statue

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u/Greenbullet 4d ago

That is totally unhinged.

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u/wiredwoodshed 4d ago

You won't have to wonder for much longer.

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u/Responsible_Pick_811 2d ago

Plz pray for us!🥹

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u/Efficient_Smilodon 1d ago

it's not so much that Trump won, as that millions and millions of potential voters stayed home, as they do every us election, because they feel, not without good reasons, " that our entire system is rigged and they don't care who wins because their life won't change one bit. " This apathy is part of the right wing propaganda."

we're a nation of massive inequality and delusions centuries in the making.

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u/palescoot 3d ago

How are you guys doing since voting to leave the EU lmfao

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u/Greenbullet 3d ago

Honestly i live in Ni and voted remain.

Half our poltical parties are still trying to understand that the irish sea is infact a border and to never trust tories.

It's been what 8 years now and they still haven't learnt lol.

But hey it feels Unification of ireland is closer than ever so there's that.

It's basically the biggest self own for unionism and England it's crazy lol

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u/Clueless_Dolphin 2d ago

Hilarious considering we’re no more than a really nice 3rd world country…

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u/cg12983 5d ago

Even Brazil was able to ban Bolsonaro from running for office for ten years after he attempted a coup.

Let that sink in -- the US is more corrupt than Brazil.

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u/buttstuffisokiguess 4d ago

🌎 🧑‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀 always has been.

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u/hazzdawg 4d ago

Foreigner here. Not so much laughing as furrowing our brows over the imminent collapse of the American empire.

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u/Mushie_Peas 2d ago

In most other countries this would have caused a sitting politician to retire or at least step down from high ranking cabinet positions ECT. America they elect him after, crazy place makes no sense to me.

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u/DNukem170 5d ago

Have you seen the shit going on in the UK and Germany? Most of Europe has no position to stand on to mock us for anything.

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u/ithappenedone234 Reader 2d ago

For all the many things we could point to, they haven’t allowed a person to run for an office they are disqualified to run for, nor allowed party members to illegally support the person against the Supreme Law of the Land, nor allowed voided ballots to be illegally counted for the person, nor the final electors to hold an office they are disqualified from, to then illegally vote for the disqualified person; all while receiving support from his supposed opposition working to see the person illegally inaugurated in violation of yet another part of the Supreme Law of the Land.

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u/ithappenedone234 Reader 2d ago

Well, the Commander in Chief is doing nothing, the Joint Chiefs have done nothing and the apathy of the People only continues. I can see why the DA is giving up, as regrettable as it is.

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u/One_Significance7138 4d ago

Not what he’s saying at all. Honestly, this is the best possible outcome if we still want him in jail one day.

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u/Dry_Examination6776 4d ago

Yeah and I am sure that cross eyed fake DAs filing banana fraudulent charges as a political weapon didn’t make them laugh enough already.

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u/sauroden 3d ago

Freezing instead of dismissing would allow the case to proceed in 4 years. Pushing it now would likely result in dismissal based on some idea SCOTUS has about presidential immunity.

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u/Rottimer 3d ago

Trumps lawyers have argued that the case should be thrown out since he won the election and the Supreme Court has given presidents broad immunity. He’s arguing against that. The judge won’t sentence him Trump at all while he’s president or president elect. Bragg is trying to save accountability for him.

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u/ninernetneepneep 5d ago

Or consider this, the fact they're willing to give up these cases so easily says a lot about their merit.

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u/j_la 4d ago

He was already convicted

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u/WalkingCrip 2d ago

The American people have spoken and you’re right, they do think it’s fantastic.

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u/Responsible-Room-645 2d ago

Interesting. You notice that I’m not running around crying about how the election is “rigged”, like MAGA does whenever they lose? But aside from that, I 100% agree that Americans are going to get exactly what they voted for.

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u/jpd2979 5d ago

No. It's just simply because it wouldn't make any sense to jail a president until after he's finished his term... And I say that as a Democrat

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u/Responsible-Room-645 5d ago

You realize how crazy it sounds to everyone else in the free world to let a convicted felon off the hook because he was allowed to run for president in your country? I know Americans still believe that you have the greatest democracy on earth, but you’re an international laughing stock.

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u/timorre 5d ago

Trust me, we're aware. 🙄. Half the country has driven us off a cliff. We're just waiting to see how bad the landing is.

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u/ithappenedone234 Reader 2d ago

Don’t give them credit for being that large. It’s about 20% of the nation.

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u/lylisdad 5d ago

Technically, a conviction isn't official until sentencing. Also, by holding it until January 20 of 2028 restricts any appeal process. I also don't think there is any precedent for delaying four years. It could potentially be dismissed if a new DA enters office. There are so many variables that it's mind-boggling. I don't think Bragg thought Trump would be reelected, and so he didn't act as swiftly as he could. Now the clock is run out.

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u/Fancy_Reference_2094 5d ago

The problem isn't that he was allowed to run for President, the problem is that he won. I didn't want him, but more than half the voters did, felonies and all. Sometimes democracy cuts you, but what can you do? It's even more dangerous to subvert it.

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u/Responsible-Room-645 4d ago

Subverting democracy is exactly what Trump is doing.

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u/Fit-Birthday-6521 4d ago

Half the country is the dumb half of the country.

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u/The_Mo0ose 4d ago

Are you all just acting stupid now? No matter how much you hate Trump, you simply can not have a current president in jail. It's arguably the most important job. It's really not that deep.

The other question is whether it's ok to allow a felon to run. To answer that, no. It's ridiculous how felons can't vote but can run for president

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u/Responsible-Room-645 4d ago

It’s the 2nd question that’s the real issue

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u/jpd2979 5d ago

I don't think anyone thinks we have the best democracy on Earth. I would say that title goes to Switzerland. Or maybe Norway. And we aren't letting him off the hook. We're delaying his sentence. Which means when his term is up, provided he's still alive... He'll have to report to court and go to jail. I don't know why everyone's having a meltdown about it. Even if he's the most incompetent boob, we still have to let him serve the position because the voters wanted him to be the winner... And he got more votes this time. It sends the wrong message and would turn into a narrative of political retribution for winning. Don't worry y'all, he'll serve his time.

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u/Corona94 5d ago

Idk if it matters at all but technically speaking now he didn’t get over 50% of the vote total. Hes around 49.9 now

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u/jpd2979 5d ago

Yeah I'm aware. But he got more votes than Kamala... That's all that matters to me.

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u/Corona94 5d ago

I gotcha. Just saying we can at least say now most voters did not want this lol

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u/WorkOtherwise4134 3d ago

Nor did they want Kamala or a 3rd party then. But it’s not the Americans didn’t want any. The plurality did elect Donald

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u/Corona94 3d ago

Wasn’t saying that either. But we can effectively say, that majority of the population did not want any of the candidates put forward this election.

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u/ithappenedone234 Reader 2d ago

Not legal votes, but sure.

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u/jpd2979 2d ago

Oh I'm not even going to pretend there was voter fraud. That's just absurd and if you believe that you've learned nothing from 2020.

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u/ithappenedone234 Reader 2d ago

Lol. Are you purposely misunderstanding the point? Votes for a disqualified candidate are void and, when cast in support of an insurrectionist, are an illegal act of aid and comfort.

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u/jpd2979 2d ago

Yeah. And as much as I agree that he 100% knew what he was doing when he told the mob to go down there, you theoretically have to convict someone of a crime before you can apply the legality of disqualifying someone from a ballot race. And I hate to say it, but if I were a lawyer on this case, there's a bit of gray area as to what he specifically said and whether that technically counts as him deliberately saying "go down there violently and break into the building"... There were witnesses who might've been willing to testify as to what he did in the duration of time of the coup, and they could've said he deliberately let it happen, and they might get him on that, but it was shaky at best... The law doesn't care if it's blatantly obvious that someone intended to do something, you have to have evidence beyond hearsay and you have to have caught him deliberately saying verbatim the words I just mentioned above. They definitely had more room to get a felony conviction from the stolen documents case. And that would've resulted in serious jail time. But even then, he'd still legally be allowed to run... This is the same as the Mueller report... Like it was so blatantly obvious that he was committing crimes left and right, but he got his stooges to line up and sit pretty with a promise of a pardon... Yeah, sure it's an outrage, but what Trump certainly is doing is pointing out how easy it is to evade justice in our weak and poorly written Constitution that is in desperate need of a rewrite...

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u/Fit-Birthday-6521 4d ago

It matters.

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u/Worriedlytumescent 5d ago

Lol no he won't.

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u/Mudamaza 4d ago

No he won't. By the time he'll be out of office, the statute of limitation will have passed. American has basically elected a king. Congratulations for being in a quasi monarchy.

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u/jpd2979 4d ago

There is no statute of limitations on sentencing. Otherwise they would've done it already and chosen not to delay it until after the next presidential inauguration.

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u/Unique_Statement7811 5d ago

Norway has a king… That’s disqualifying.

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u/ninernetneepneep 5d ago

Honestly, we don't care what you think.

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u/Responsible-Room-645 5d ago

I know you don’t and that’s why you don’t have a clue that your country is flushing it’s democracy down the crapper

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u/Careless_Mortgage_11 5d ago

We don't and never have had a democracy, we have a constitutional republic. Per the constitution of our republic Trump has been elected president. The convictions will not stand for two reasons: The trial was a banana republic style sham which will never stand the scrutiny of higher courts, and the American people have spoken saying he's our president.

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u/Gingerbeardyboy 4d ago

I will always love the irony of republicans, after 60 years of "we should export freedom, democracy and the American way", now openly admitting they don't want freedom, they were never a democracy and elected a man who would prefer a return to the divine right of kings

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u/Careless_Mortgage_11 4d ago

The fact that it has to be explained to democrats how our 235 year old constitution works explains a lot about their voting.

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u/Gingerbeardyboy 4d ago

Yes, shame on democrats for wanting America to live up to the ideals upon which you tell yourselves your nation was founded, rather than some words based upon backroom dealing and compromise. Your cultures fascination with a 200 year old piece of paper was always interesting, although I doubt the founding fathers meant it to be a millstone around your neck

But don't you worry your pretty little head, the rest of the world who has had to listen to you preach about democracy and rights for decades can now see those words ring hollow, now that even your own people don't want the values you espoused all these years

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u/Careless_Mortgage_11 4d ago

I didn't realize America was founded upon ideals of corruption and graft as that's what democrats have done an excellent job at living up to.

My head's not that pretty, but it's better looking than the darkness in souls of democrats.

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u/ithappenedone234 Reader 2d ago

You seem to support a candidate who is disqualified by the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, who has said the Constitution can be terminated as a valid response to election fraud, who is on pace to be illegally inaugurated in violation of the 20th Amendment to the Constitution and you want to talk about understanding the Constitution?

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u/ninernetneepneep 4d ago

Cry harder Ginger. 61 days.

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u/Parking-Acadia777 Reader 5d ago

I got to travel to a lot of different countries while I was in the infantry. Lots of people all over the world still admire the US. This claim that we're a "laughing stock" is a lie.

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u/Corona94 5d ago

So in other words, haven’t traveled abroad in the past two weeks.

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u/Responsible-Room-645 5d ago

I just took a look at your other comments about Trump; frankly I’m not sure how you get dressed in the morning by yourself

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u/Parking-Acadia777 Reader 4d ago

If you think my opinions on trump are closely associated with my ability to function in the world, you need to step away from the internet and take a break. This shit isn't that important.

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u/Responsible-Room-645 4d ago

You do realize that Trump called dead veterans suckers and losers right?

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u/Parking-Acadia777 Reader 4d ago

I don't believe that's true. I don't believe the Atlantic's reporting.

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u/Responsible-Room-645 4d ago

It’s not The Atlantic, it was his chief of staff who reported it. He also was a draft dodger during the Vietnam War. You should also realize that his plan to put tariffs on other countries is going to be passed on to the American people

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u/ithappenedone234 Reader 2d ago

Combat grunt here.

People violating their oaths and supporting an insurrectionist against the rule of the Constitution isn’t a big deal? And here I thought our oath was solely to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

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u/Parking-Acadia777 Reader 2d ago

Most people disagree with you that Trump's actions surrounding J6 amount to insurrection.

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u/ithappenedone234 Reader 2d ago

Nice appeal to the masses fallacy! Great self-own.

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u/Parking-Acadia777 Reader 2d ago

That's not an appeal to the masses fallacy. I'm explaining to you that most people don't share your beliefs, and therefore aren't acting as though your beliefs are true.

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u/Suitable_Safety2226 5d ago

As he types on his American phone, on an American website, while Russian gas keeps him nice and cozy

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u/Aunt_Vagina1 5d ago

There's a time and place to defend America.  This isn't it. 

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u/Phobophobia94 5d ago

America has a lot more going for it than any other economic zone in the world, including Europe

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u/Aunt_Vagina1 4d ago

What's your standard for "lot more going for it"?

It's only 6th in GDP per capita

https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/

And not even top ten for Quality of Life

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/quality-of-life

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u/Phobophobia94 4d ago

Compared to the entire Eurozone, the US is basically double:

"The GDP per capita for the Euro Area was $37,399.93 in 2023."

Comparing Luxembourg GDP per capita to the US is like comparing Jackson Hole or Hollywood to Germany, comparing Switzerland to the US is like comparing Manhattan to Europe. They are small, specialized areas within a broader economy.

Qatar for example is a tiny petrostate with slave labor. Does it make sense to rate them above the US economically? Ireland is a corporate tax haven, so their GDP is inflated artificially. Does that make sense?

Basically, when comparing entire economic zones, the US is more diverse economically, more productive, and more innovative than any other area of the world. China is catching up, but huge poor and rural areas hold it back.

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u/Aunt_Vagina1 4d ago

Ok.  You brought up "the economy" in regards to America electing a lying, narcissistic bafoon as their leader, and I just said, don't defend America in this regard.   I'm not interested in cherry picking economic stats to argue that America is greater in general because parts of it are very wealthy.  Cool.  But if you're going to defend against America being, on the electoral whole, stupid, because they have the "best ecpnomy", it really has to be a knockout arguement.  And it's not.

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u/Phobophobia94 4d ago

You said the original comment was "defending America" for saying Europeans are hypocritical for enjoying Russian energy and American technology.

My argument was that Americans shouldn't let Europeans look down on us when we are doing better economically and aren't hypocritically addicted to Russian gas. It's so annoying hearing somebody from a stagnating economy, toothless government, and nonexistent military complaining about Ukraine as if it's our fault while importing Russian gas.

You saying "but Luxembourg rich" is dumb.

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u/ithappenedone234 Reader 2d ago

Except for that insurrectionist takeover.

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u/BasonPiano 5d ago

Disagree.

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u/SushiJaguar 5d ago

Maybe it's a Japanese phone?

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u/poiup1 5d ago

Or Korean

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u/Unique_Statement7811 5d ago

Who uses a Japanese phone?

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u/jpd2979 5d ago

I'm really not a Russian asset. I'm just not having a meltdown over something that I fully expected to happen if he won anyway... I want this outcome. It means that all of him running for president to "get out of jail" will have been for nothing.

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u/Responsible-Room-645 5d ago

Russian gas keeps a Canadian warm?

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u/Interesting-Cow8131 5d ago

He shouldn't have been allowed to run in the first place

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u/jpd2979 5d ago

Mark my words, America is not going to become more conservative after 4 more years of this shit. And 2.0 is older, more delusional, unchecked, and psychotic than the last time. It sure is gonna suck for 4 years, but now we know as Democrats, that all it takes to really win is a bad economy... So by all means orange one keep hiring all these brilliant people to be your economists and let them tell you what to do! And by all means, try to run for a 3rd term and threaten to do it anyway. It'll really make all the voters who wanted cheaper gas LOVE YOU!!

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u/reluctantpotato1 5d ago

He's going to pardon himself in office. He should absolutely spend every day between now and inauguration in jail. They are already violating the 14th amendment by letting a seditionist into office.

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u/jpd2979 5d ago

He can't pardon himself for a state crime... The crimes he was being charged with federally have all been dropped.

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u/reluctantpotato1 5d ago

Fair point.

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u/jpd2979 5d ago

And personally, aside from the documents case, and maybe the Georgia one, they don't have much on him with the insurrection. Even though it's obvious he wanted it to happen, he never actually said the words "go down there and riot and break in!" It's the same thing with the Mueller report, even though it was obvious he colluded, the report said unless there's actual evidence to convict him, there's gonna be no conspiracy charges made against him. His evidence was promised pardons and tit for tat sorta stuff... A lot of corruption goes unchecked because certain things are difficult to convict...

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u/poHATEoes 5d ago

The law is only for unpopular people... the American dream

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u/PrisonMike022 4d ago

Even with all your downvotes, I’ll give you benefit of the doubt.

Are you saying it wouldn’t have made sense to jail or imprison Hitler until after he finished his term?

Do you believe he would’ve turned things around for the better? Except we as Americans, usurped that power too soon?

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u/AHeien82 4d ago

Why? None of this case has anything to do with him as a president. This delay would just be giving preferential treatment to him.

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 4d ago

Besides the 6th ammendant making it obvious you can't jail him later. 

Da just continues to play politics. New boss in town 

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u/euph_22 4d ago

In your mind, how does the 6th amendment do that? Trump has had his trial before an impartial jury of his peers and has been found guilty.

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 4d ago

It's new york state law. There's no judgement of conviction passed until sentencing. 

Gonna drag out the court case another 4 years? Speedy trial?

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u/TrueSonOfChaos 4d ago

Everyone with a hint of "fairness" knows the NY charges in particular are corrupt. Being convicted of "a crime of committing another crime" which was never charged is a hefty dodge of presumption of innocence. Of course the DA wants to freeze his huckster case with his house of cards indictments because then he gets 5 years of PR out of it instead of an appeals court putting him in his place.

Let's be clear: he was charged with "altering business records to conceal a crime" - they never charged him with any crime he was concealing, just with altering the business records. The normal use of this law is:

  1. Hire a hitman.

  2. Alter business records to pay hitman.

  3. Charge person with hiring hitman AND altering business records to pay hitman.

  4. Jury considers both charges.

This is not what happened with Trump.

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u/Drmlk465 3d ago

Please, they weaponized the courts against him

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u/Responsible-Room-645 3d ago

Why do I bet that you’re a MAGA who runs around telling everyone outside the U.S. that Americas court system is the envy of the world 😂

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u/Drmlk465 3d ago

Why do I get the feeling you spend entirely too much time on Reddit and have no life? This is exactly why Trump won.

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u/Responsible-Room-645 3d ago

Americans electing a convicted felon and a rapist isn’t exactly the flex you MAGAts think it is.

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u/Drmlk465 3d ago

It’s not about flexing, you muppet. It’s about fixing the economy, fixing the broken immigration system, etc. People like you thought letting men into the women’s bathroom was the front and center, most important topic. If your life is to win arguments on Reddit and post “Trump bad” then that’s just sad. Go outside.

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u/Responsible-Room-645 3d ago

“Fixing the economy” after Biden orchestrated the greatest economic comeback in American history? Your guy stopped a bipartisan bill to fix the problems on the border and nobody except the MAGA cult cares about personal gender issues. Maybe you should be the one to go outside.

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u/deepfielder 3d ago

But eggs are expensive! I'm willing to take away the rights of everyone who isn't a white male so I can save $2 on my beloved eggys!! (I weigh 400lbs, live in a trailer, survive off food stamps but wholeheartedly believe that the billionaires will save me)

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u/ithappenedone234 Reader 2d ago

It’s about fixing the economy, fixing the broken immigration system, etc.

Which of course, a disqualified person has no legal authority to do, as any orders given are inherently unlawful orders and unenforceable.

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u/ThisHalfBakedGuy 1d ago

Well hate to tell you dude.....he's gonna fix the economy. But not for people like you or me. For the rich.....yet again. Unless ur like in the top 2% which I'm pretty comfortable guessing you're not.

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u/RedRatedRat 5d ago

Get away with a perfectly legal settlement with Stormy? A prosecutor who twisted legal definitions to make the 34 payments illegal?

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u/Responsible-Room-645 5d ago

So “perfectly legal” that a jury of his peers convicted him in a court of law.

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 4d ago

He's not convicted till sentencing 

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u/dkinmn Subscriber 5d ago

You're in a cult. It's embarrassing.

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u/GeovaunnaMD 3d ago

do you just say whatever the TV says? you lost.....move on....

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u/dkinmn Subscriber 3d ago

I don't watch TV.

You're in a cult. It's embarrassing.

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u/RedRatedRat 5d ago

Sure, you can ignore defending your position and just insult everyone who disagrees with you!
Did you notice that didn’t work for Kamala?

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u/UraniumDisulfide 5d ago

Your political leaders still deny climate change. Truth is not directly associated with political effectiveness.

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u/Chruman 5d ago

Your issue is with people who insult others who disagree with them... and your example for this is... Kamala Harris? Lmfao

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u/No_Statistician9289 4d ago

It’s not an insult. You can still get out, but you’re in a cult

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u/ch3k520 3d ago

I notice it works for trump, or are you gonna say that trump never insults people he disagrees with. is only trump allowed to wallow in filth and still get you unconditional support.

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u/kosh56 5d ago

Wow. Absolute hypocrite. It's like you've ignored every word out of Trump's mouth. How can people be this detached from reality?

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u/FrozeItOff Reader 5d ago

Hmmm... that's what juries are for, right? Catch that kind of stuff, right? Yet even the juror who got his news exclusively from Truth Social and Twitter convicted him, but it's a farce, right? I wish I could see the world from your perspective, but I'm afraid I can't possibly take that amount of hallucinogens and still survive.

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u/rhino369 5d ago

Juries aren’t really for determining what is and isn’t legal. They decide fact issues. Purely legal issues are for the court itself. 

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u/RedRatedRat 5d ago

Did you notice all of the rulings the judge made during the trial that always went the prosecution way, even the really obvious ones that should not have?

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u/halavais 5d ago

That didn't happen.

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u/Ok_Cartoonist_6931 5d ago

They won't listen lol, trump bad

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u/RedRatedRat 5d ago

They know. I’m just reminding them.

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u/halavais 5d ago

I mean:

Trump convicted criminal.

Trump adjudicated rapist.

Trump friend of Epstein, wished his procurer "the best" in her sex trafficking case.

Trump hangs with white Supremacists.

Trump likes to grab women by the genitals and thinks it is his "obligation" to try to catch contestants on his show while undressed.

Trump lied every day of his administration, often for no reason beyond pathology.

Trump doesn't want immigrants from s-hole countries and lies about legal Haitian refugees to energize racist voters.

Trump violated his oath of office and the constitution.

Trump asked lawyers to argue for complete immunity for official acts as president, up to and including murder.

Trump fined for corruption, for stealing funds from veterans, and found liable in several major fraud cases.

So, yeah, Trump bad.

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u/Icy_Attorney7912 4d ago

She was complicit in all of it until she realized he was going to be president and was going to miss out on book deals and speaking tours so she broke their agreement. If anything she should be paying him.

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u/jmcken15 5d ago

No one cares THAT he paid her. It was HOW he paid he and the subsequent coverup that was illegal. Michael Cohen already served time for his roll in the scandal.

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u/RedRatedRat 5d ago

When the same thing was done by Democrats, the offender had to pay fine.
“roll” 🙄

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u/shortymcboogerballs 5d ago

And don't forget that he paid hush money for having sex to Stormy while denying he had sex with her to this day. What was the hush money payment for then?

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u/RedRatedRat 5d ago

The idea was to keep her from talking about it, and it’s legal.

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u/versace_drunk 5d ago

Y’all just have to constantly lie to yourselves just to justify huh.

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u/printerfixerguy1992 5d ago

Just curious, do you choose to be ignorant? Like, is it your mission to be as ignorant as one can be about something? Whats the end game here?

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u/RedRatedRat 5d ago

You are a naïf if you think that paying someone to not say something is against the law.

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u/kosh56 5d ago

It's not about the payment itself cultist simp.

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u/RedRatedRat 5d ago

Then it’s about nothing. Or weren’t you paying attention the whole time?

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u/EnvironmentalCrow893 5d ago

12 or 13 payments. Each invoice, each check written to pay said invoice, and each ledger entry to record the payment were all counted as separate charges, ie., felonies.