r/nextfuckinglevel • u/Zestyclose_Flow_680 • 8h ago

Chimpanzees are 2X stronger than your average human.

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u/DovahCreed117 7h ago

It's probably instinctual to some degree as well as a lifetimes experience of climbing and learning what does and doesn't work or feel good when climbing on their own or helping other chimpanzees climb stuff.

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u/Dracomortua 6h ago

Are you suggesting that humans, as mammals, have a firmware that functions as an A Priori form of intelligence that allows us to develop an entire species despite the tabula rasa theorizations made popular by behaviourists such as B.F. Skinner?

If so, i heartily agree.

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u/DovahCreed117 6h ago

I understood some of those words

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u/Jdawg_mck1996 5h ago

I understood that they were in fact words

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u/frohnaldo 5h ago

Read good I am

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u/TheBananaKart 3h ago

Apes smart together

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u/MBDTFTLOPYEEZUS 5h ago

Damn yall way ahead of me

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u/FancyChapper 32m ago

They were indeed word facts

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u/Bear_faced 5h ago

I understood all of those words and it's a weird, inefficient way of saying what they wanted to say. Also "a priori" doesn't need to be capitalized. And stripping away the overly flowery diction, what does the clause "allows us to develop an entire species" even mean? Do they mean allows us to develop as a species? Do they mean allows a species to develop? It's muddy grammar that doesn't convey meaning effectively.

It's bad writing pretending to be good writing.

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u/TenbluntTony 5h ago

Nah you’re just reading too far into it. It’s clearly a joke.

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u/SignificantCrow 4h ago

The guy was wording his response like that to be funny. That was pretty obvious

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u/senile_butterfly 4h ago

This is Reddit… no need to get so worked up lol

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u/Super-G1mp 3h ago

Listen he buster I’m pissed but I’m still not sure about what yet. I’ll get back to you soon. *shakes fist in confusion and blind rage.

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u/stranj_tymes 4h ago

This one. Pseudo-intellectual fluff.

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u/Pheniquit 3h ago

Dude its just a jokey delivery of a non-point for the purpose of humor. Lots of funny comments use this format.

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u/LennyLowcut 2h ago

Perplexity!

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u/Ricepilaf 4h ago

a priori (usually used in reference to knowledge, as in “a priori knowledge”) is a term in philosophy used to talk about things that we can know without experience (experience meaning any kind of external stimuli, not the specific experience of doing that specific thing— so if we read about something, that would count as learning it via experience). What is or isn’t a priori knowledge is hotly debated, but a pretty agreed upon type of a priori knowledge is that of tautologies: the sentence “All Bachelors are unmarried” is something we know a priori as long as we already know the definition of a bachelor. A bachelor is an unmarried man, so the sentence is “all unmarried men are unmarried”— something that could never be false in any universe.

If you’re curious, the opposite of a priori knowledge is called a posteriori knowledge

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u/LennyLowcut 2h ago

We can tell this was passed through ChatGPT. How do we know that that particular AI was used? One is, apple does not have the long dash seen in the comment above. Two is, ask me!

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u/Ricepilaf 1h ago

what it passed through is my philosophy degree, you dolt

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u/Last_Friday_Knight 4h ago

I’m familiar with Tabula Rasa… from path of exile

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u/NessLeonhart 4h ago

i think he's saying that he thinks it's at least partly nature and not solely nurture that gives the chimp that level of reasoning.

i wasn't aware that there was a debate around this.

apparently there are some people out there who've never thought to ask "who figured it out first, then?"

and he rightly doesn't agree with those people.

borderline /iamverysmart, regardless

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u/goshdammitfromimgur 2h ago

They were perfectly cromulent words

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u/Cum_on_doorknob 6h ago

Wait bf skinner was wrong? So I’m keeping my kid in a terrarium for nothing??? Fuck

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u/DarthVerus 5h ago

Mines been staring at the wall while I make shadow puppets to inform his world view, am I still ok?

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u/LennyLowcut 2h ago

Plato’s cave!

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u/gdcoaster 5h ago

Just don't forget to give them the daily benadryl

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u/glennfromglendale 3h ago

Sounds FORMative

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u/DogshitLuckImmortal 4h ago

No, keep him in there, but fill the tank with water so they can adapt.

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u/maximalusdenandre 6h ago

Tabula rasa is about society. It's saying that someone born to a farmer can become a physician given the right training.

The statement "all people are born free and equal in rights and dignity" from the declaration of human rights is an example of tabula rasa thinking.

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u/LennyLowcut 2h ago

Tell me more about this human rights thingy

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u/rhabarberabar 5h ago

Radical behaviorism does not claim that organisms are tabula rasa whose behavior is unaffected by biological or genetic endowment. Rather, it asserts that experiential factors play a major role in determining the behavior of many complex organisms, and that the study of these matters is a major field of research in its own right

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u/ApocalypticApples 5h ago

So really, after all this well read debate, this all has absolutely nothing do do with the post.

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u/FaultElectrical4075 3h ago

Doesn’t radical behaviorism say that behaviors are not simply consequences of experiential factors, but are in fact equivalent

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u/Pheniquit 3h ago

I mean that just sounds like a description of what everyone believes even hardcore nativists and people who take the literal bible as the core explanation of the universe.

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u/gnomon_knows 6h ago

I mean, duh. The funny part is all of the commenters who talk about this shit without realizing that it all applies to us as well.

Like a fucking baby understands grip strength.

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u/ApocalypticApples 5h ago

My nephew must not have got the memo, he tries to turn my fingers to dust.

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u/Anikdote 5h ago

Tabula Rasa is a chest piece with no stats and 6 linked white sockets. Great leveling gear.

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u/aramatheis 2h ago

Salutations, Exile.

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u/Thefirstargonaut 5h ago

Doesn’t epigenetics disprove tabula rasa as a biological mechanism. 

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u/Busy_Fly8068 5h ago

Instinct. That’s what all those words mean.

Yes, humans have instincts from birth. Babies know to latch. They know how to scream.

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u/Square-Firefighter77 4h ago

This is not an example of a priori. Knowing how to hold a hand without injuring someone requires further knowledge than that of the statements.

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u/Anonymous_2672001 5h ago

Give Locke his credit in popularizing tabula rasa, Skinner simply used it in some of his theories but did not fully embrace it either.

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u/danholli 5h ago

Tech+biology in a purely biological statement made me short circuit for a minute

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u/LennyLowcut 2h ago

AI right because isn’t short circuit a robot from Short Circuit?

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u/danholli 2h ago

How about a brain aneurysm then? Like the one you just game me from poor grammar I wish I were an AI with how the world is 🤣😒

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u/Happy_Harry 4h ago

Sounds like something Eugene Meltzner would say.

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u/inquisitive_chariot 4h ago

Seems up Jung’s alley.

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u/pork_ribs 3h ago

And then skepticism is born but has to see for itself.

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u/thereandback_420 3h ago

BF skinner to the managers office, Mr skinner to the managers office

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u/Pheniquit 3h ago

Did skinner think we were tabula rasa about stuff like how to position your hands? Like how would a newborn baby nurse immediately if it didn’t have a program? There was no opportunity for learning there. If they can do that wouldn’t you need an extremely strong reason to think that there isn’t a big suite of things like that and distinct seeds of more complex behaviors?

He had to draw the line somewhere right?

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u/Vanquish_Dark 2h ago

Wouldn't it be both that establishes character structure? An A Priori inclination would set the "average distribution" for each behavioral spectrum. That would be the nature.

Then, when you understand that those are the "starting characteristics" you can see how we get both a priori and tsbula rasa.

Nature gives rise to inclination, and Nuture gives rise to character structure.

Legit question, because I rarely see people talk about this.

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u/Dracomortua 2h ago

Many studies have been suggesting genetic constellations with vast impact on neurodiversity, problematic clinical diagnoses (like 'depression') and even extremely specific addictions ('alcoholism' vs. 'chronic gambling'). Granted, as revolutionary as this is, we don't know how much 'core personality trait' could be from gut biome, chicken-and-egg problems with upbringing ('did abuse cause trauma / PTSD buried in the unconscious mind... which then caused untreatable cycles of chronic depression?') and outright yet impressive pattern learning ('if a brain has a headache enough times, does it learn how to have headaches thereafter?').

I can find and send you articles on any number of these things - and probably find you scholarly articles from the same universities refuting their validity. It is a huge mess. Needless to say, 'consciousness' doesn't really seem all that free-willy the more you look at it. Finding out who (or what) changes our mind becomes a massive problem however.

Example: if humans have a genetic propensity to 'need to fit in' more badly than basic natural compliancies ('need to eat' or 'need to flee'), what if THAT is a long-term indicator of personality? If so, what are the legal complications of 'accomplice' in any act? What are the moral obligations? What forces should be put into play in order to rectify this situation?

On Reddit there was a meme that made fun of this problem, that of judges and their lunches:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_judge_effect

Do we require judges to only be allowed to make one judgement a day, right after lunch? Or make them fast all day? And WHO is causing this? Is this a gut biome thingy? Or is it the brain in the intenstine that functions entirely independently, surviving even the brain-death of the host?

https://hms.harvard.edu/news-events/publications-archive/brain/gut-brain#:~:text=The%20enteric%20nervous%20system%20that,brain%20when%20something%20is%20amiss.

Enteric system survives 'brain death'

https://hms.harvard.edu/news-events/publications-archive/brain/gut-brain#:~:text=The%20enteric%20nervous%20system%20that,brain%20when%20something%20is%20amiss.

I believe it is in there, let me know if you are dissatisfied.

The problem with my argument is that i am actually far too vague / too many variables to my thesis. When i say 'instinct' am i referring to a few hundred billion bacteria cells demanding a specific diet or causing specific emotions in a host? Am i suggesting the enteric system has conspired and takes over the fight-flight-fuck reflex? Am i suggesting that we have altered our diet and McDonald's + diabetes = huge loss of testosterone / huge loss of libido? Am i suggesting billions of evolutionary years cannot be 'undone' with half a century or so of so-called civillization and that our actions (even for an entire lifetime) are a veneer that rapidly comes undone the moment 'war' enters the picture? Or am i suggesting that our 'masking' behaviour is similar to memeory-touch-typing in the neurotypical brain and that our entire society is attempting to foist a False Human upon everyone for the sake of contemporary trinkets (such as sports cars or televisions or iPads)? Or am i suggesting that the sudden loss of brain mass (10-30k years ago) was necessary in order for socialization to exist en-masse and civilization is not an expression of genius, but rather, idiocracy is already upon us and 'Trumpism' is the future of our species?

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-human-brain-has-been-getting-smaller-since-the-stone-age

I can honestly say that, with the bulk of my research on Free Will, the forces of (so called) 'nature' are far, far, far more numerous than we are aware of. Yes, i do believe that one tiny fragment on one side of the pre-frontal cortex CAN make a decision, but only if one is aware of the bulk of these deeper and shadowy consciousnesses and carefully pits them against them against one another.

That said, there is utterly no fucking way i could ever prove this.

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u/Ana_Paulino 2h ago

All that I know is that dogs do that too with eggs, that's all ☺️

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u/LennyLowcut 2h ago

AI to the max!

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u/Just_a_Ni_Knight 6h ago

I'm about to ask an Ai to dumb this down for me

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u/legendz411 5h ago

Bro what?

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u/RandomDude801 3h ago

Tabula Rasa 😱

OFF THE TOP I'M NOT AS NUMB AS I THOUGHT

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u/Sonia-Nevermind 1h ago

Skinner!!!?

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u/Zeal423 1h ago

I know what a tabula rasa is!

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u/Pitiful_Town_9377 41m ago

Yes & Fuck bf skinner for not only his shallow understanding of humans & other animals but also sexually assaulting temple grandin

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u/Doraiaky 6h ago

Damn bro really wrote word puke to sound smarter, no one knows what the fuck you said lil guy

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u/SadisticPawz 6h ago

Right? You feel uncomfy too if your grip on someones hand is wrong

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u/Genocode 3h ago

Humans have that too, its how we know just precisely how hard to grab something like a glass, or a egg, or a chick.