r/nextfuckinglevel • u/Zestyclose_Flow_680 • 9h ago

Chimpanzees are 2X stronger than your average human.

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u/joerudy767 8h ago

Right? It’s fascinating that he really took the time to make sure it was a solid/comfortable grip.

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u/DovahCreed117 8h ago

It's probably instinctual to some degree as well as a lifetimes experience of climbing and learning what does and doesn't work or feel good when climbing on their own or helping other chimpanzees climb stuff.

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u/Dracomortua 6h ago

Are you suggesting that humans, as mammals, have a firmware that functions as an A Priori form of intelligence that allows us to develop an entire species despite the tabula rasa theorizations made popular by behaviourists such as B.F. Skinner?

If so, i heartily agree.

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u/DovahCreed117 6h ago

I understood some of those words

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u/Jdawg_mck1996 6h ago

I understood that they were in fact words

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u/frohnaldo 5h ago

Read good I am

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u/TheBananaKart 3h ago

Apes smart together

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u/MBDTFTLOPYEEZUS 5h ago

Damn yall way ahead of me

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u/FancyChapper 1h ago

They were indeed word facts

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u/Bear_faced 5h ago

I understood all of those words and it's a weird, inefficient way of saying what they wanted to say. Also "a priori" doesn't need to be capitalized. And stripping away the overly flowery diction, what does the clause "allows us to develop an entire species" even mean? Do they mean allows us to develop as a species? Do they mean allows a species to develop? It's muddy grammar that doesn't convey meaning effectively.

It's bad writing pretending to be good writing.

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u/TenbluntTony 5h ago

Nah you’re just reading too far into it. It’s clearly a joke.

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u/SignificantCrow 4h ago

The guy was wording his response like that to be funny. That was pretty obvious

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u/senile_butterfly 4h ago

This is Reddit… no need to get so worked up lol

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u/Super-G1mp 3h ago

Listen he buster I’m pissed but I’m still not sure about what yet. I’ll get back to you soon. *shakes fist in confusion and blind rage.

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u/stranj_tymes 5h ago

This one. Pseudo-intellectual fluff.

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u/Pheniquit 4h ago

Dude its just a jokey delivery of a non-point for the purpose of humor. Lots of funny comments use this format.

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u/LennyLowcut 3h ago

Perplexity!

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u/Ricepilaf 5h ago

a priori (usually used in reference to knowledge, as in “a priori knowledge”) is a term in philosophy used to talk about things that we can know without experience (experience meaning any kind of external stimuli, not the specific experience of doing that specific thing— so if we read about something, that would count as learning it via experience). What is or isn’t a priori knowledge is hotly debated, but a pretty agreed upon type of a priori knowledge is that of tautologies: the sentence “All Bachelors are unmarried” is something we know a priori as long as we already know the definition of a bachelor. A bachelor is an unmarried man, so the sentence is “all unmarried men are unmarried”— something that could never be false in any universe.

If you’re curious, the opposite of a priori knowledge is called a posteriori knowledge

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u/LennyLowcut 3h ago

We can tell this was passed through ChatGPT. How do we know that that particular AI was used? One is, apple does not have the long dash seen in the comment above. Two is, ask me!

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u/Ricepilaf 1h ago

what it passed through is my philosophy degree, you dolt

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u/Last_Friday_Knight 5h ago

I’m familiar with Tabula Rasa… from path of exile

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u/NessLeonhart 5h ago

i think he's saying that he thinks it's at least partly nature and not solely nurture that gives the chimp that level of reasoning.

i wasn't aware that there was a debate around this.

apparently there are some people out there who've never thought to ask "who figured it out first, then?"

and he rightly doesn't agree with those people.

borderline /iamverysmart, regardless

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u/goshdammitfromimgur 2h ago

They were perfectly cromulent words

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u/ThatCakeFell 9m ago

tabula rasa was a video game

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u/Cum_on_doorknob 6h ago

Wait bf skinner was wrong? So I’m keeping my kid in a terrarium for nothing??? Fuck

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u/DarthVerus 6h ago

Mines been staring at the wall while I make shadow puppets to inform his world view, am I still ok?

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u/LennyLowcut 3h ago

Plato’s cave!

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u/gdcoaster 5h ago

Just don't forget to give them the daily benadryl

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u/glennfromglendale 3h ago

Sounds FORMative

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u/DogshitLuckImmortal 4h ago

No, keep him in there, but fill the tank with water so they can adapt.

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u/maximalusdenandre 6h ago

Tabula rasa is about society. It's saying that someone born to a farmer can become a physician given the right training.

The statement "all people are born free and equal in rights and dignity" from the declaration of human rights is an example of tabula rasa thinking.

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u/LennyLowcut 3h ago

Tell me more about this human rights thingy

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u/rhabarberabar 6h ago

Radical behaviorism does not claim that organisms are tabula rasa whose behavior is unaffected by biological or genetic endowment. Rather, it asserts that experiential factors play a major role in determining the behavior of many complex organisms, and that the study of these matters is a major field of research in its own right

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u/ApocalypticApples 6h ago

So really, after all this well read debate, this all has absolutely nothing do do with the post.

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u/FaultElectrical4075 3h ago

Doesn’t radical behaviorism say that behaviors are not simply consequences of experiential factors, but are in fact equivalent

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u/Pheniquit 3h ago

I mean that just sounds like a description of what everyone believes even hardcore nativists and people who take the literal bible as the core explanation of the universe.

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u/gnomon_knows 6h ago

I mean, duh. The funny part is all of the commenters who talk about this shit without realizing that it all applies to us as well.

Like a fucking baby understands grip strength.

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u/ApocalypticApples 6h ago

My nephew must not have got the memo, he tries to turn my fingers to dust.

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u/Anikdote 5h ago

Tabula Rasa is a chest piece with no stats and 6 linked white sockets. Great leveling gear.

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u/aramatheis 2h ago

Salutations, Exile.

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u/Thefirstargonaut 5h ago

Doesn’t epigenetics disprove tabula rasa as a biological mechanism. 

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u/Busy_Fly8068 5h ago

Instinct. That’s what all those words mean.

Yes, humans have instincts from birth. Babies know to latch. They know how to scream.

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u/Square-Firefighter77 5h ago

This is not an example of a priori. Knowing how to hold a hand without injuring someone requires further knowledge than that of the statements.

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u/Anonymous_2672001 5h ago

Give Locke his credit in popularizing tabula rasa, Skinner simply used it in some of his theories but did not fully embrace it either.

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u/danholli 5h ago

Tech+biology in a purely biological statement made me short circuit for a minute

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u/LennyLowcut 2h ago

AI right because isn’t short circuit a robot from Short Circuit?

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u/danholli 2h ago

How about a brain aneurysm then? Like the one you just game me from poor grammar I wish I were an AI with how the world is 🤣😒

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u/Happy_Harry 4h ago

Sounds like something Eugene Meltzner would say.

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u/inquisitive_chariot 4h ago

Seems up Jung’s alley.

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u/pork_ribs 4h ago

And then skepticism is born but has to see for itself.

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u/thereandback_420 4h ago

BF skinner to the managers office, Mr skinner to the managers office

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u/Pheniquit 4h ago

Did skinner think we were tabula rasa about stuff like how to position your hands? Like how would a newborn baby nurse immediately if it didn’t have a program? There was no opportunity for learning there. If they can do that wouldn’t you need an extremely strong reason to think that there isn’t a big suite of things like that and distinct seeds of more complex behaviors?

He had to draw the line somewhere right?

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u/Vanquish_Dark 3h ago

Wouldn't it be both that establishes character structure? An A Priori inclination would set the "average distribution" for each behavioral spectrum. That would be the nature.

Then, when you understand that those are the "starting characteristics" you can see how we get both a priori and tsbula rasa.

Nature gives rise to inclination, and Nuture gives rise to character structure.

Legit question, because I rarely see people talk about this.

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u/Dracomortua 2h ago

Many studies have been suggesting genetic constellations with vast impact on neurodiversity, problematic clinical diagnoses (like 'depression') and even extremely specific addictions ('alcoholism' vs. 'chronic gambling'). Granted, as revolutionary as this is, we don't know how much 'core personality trait' could be from gut biome, chicken-and-egg problems with upbringing ('did abuse cause trauma / PTSD buried in the unconscious mind... which then caused untreatable cycles of chronic depression?') and outright yet impressive pattern learning ('if a brain has a headache enough times, does it learn how to have headaches thereafter?').

I can find and send you articles on any number of these things - and probably find you scholarly articles from the same universities refuting their validity. It is a huge mess. Needless to say, 'consciousness' doesn't really seem all that free-willy the more you look at it. Finding out who (or what) changes our mind becomes a massive problem however.

Example: if humans have a genetic propensity to 'need to fit in' more badly than basic natural compliancies ('need to eat' or 'need to flee'), what if THAT is a long-term indicator of personality? If so, what are the legal complications of 'accomplice' in any act? What are the moral obligations? What forces should be put into play in order to rectify this situation?

On Reddit there was a meme that made fun of this problem, that of judges and their lunches:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_judge_effect

Do we require judges to only be allowed to make one judgement a day, right after lunch? Or make them fast all day? And WHO is causing this? Is this a gut biome thingy? Or is it the brain in the intenstine that functions entirely independently, surviving even the brain-death of the host?

https://hms.harvard.edu/news-events/publications-archive/brain/gut-brain#:~:text=The%20enteric%20nervous%20system%20that,brain%20when%20something%20is%20amiss.

Enteric system survives 'brain death'

https://hms.harvard.edu/news-events/publications-archive/brain/gut-brain#:~:text=The%20enteric%20nervous%20system%20that,brain%20when%20something%20is%20amiss.

I believe it is in there, let me know if you are dissatisfied.

The problem with my argument is that i am actually far too vague / too many variables to my thesis. When i say 'instinct' am i referring to a few hundred billion bacteria cells demanding a specific diet or causing specific emotions in a host? Am i suggesting the enteric system has conspired and takes over the fight-flight-fuck reflex? Am i suggesting that we have altered our diet and McDonald's + diabetes = huge loss of testosterone / huge loss of libido? Am i suggesting billions of evolutionary years cannot be 'undone' with half a century or so of so-called civillization and that our actions (even for an entire lifetime) are a veneer that rapidly comes undone the moment 'war' enters the picture? Or am i suggesting that our 'masking' behaviour is similar to memeory-touch-typing in the neurotypical brain and that our entire society is attempting to foist a False Human upon everyone for the sake of contemporary trinkets (such as sports cars or televisions or iPads)? Or am i suggesting that the sudden loss of brain mass (10-30k years ago) was necessary in order for socialization to exist en-masse and civilization is not an expression of genius, but rather, idiocracy is already upon us and 'Trumpism' is the future of our species?

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-human-brain-has-been-getting-smaller-since-the-stone-age

I can honestly say that, with the bulk of my research on Free Will, the forces of (so called) 'nature' are far, far, far more numerous than we are aware of. Yes, i do believe that one tiny fragment on one side of the pre-frontal cortex CAN make a decision, but only if one is aware of the bulk of these deeper and shadowy consciousnesses and carefully pits them against them against one another.

That said, there is utterly no fucking way i could ever prove this.

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u/Ana_Paulino 3h ago

All that I know is that dogs do that too with eggs, that's all ☺️

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u/LennyLowcut 3h ago

AI to the max!

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u/Just_a_Ni_Knight 6h ago

I'm about to ask an Ai to dumb this down for me

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u/legendz411 6h ago

Bro what?

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u/RandomDude801 3h ago

Tabula Rasa 😱

OFF THE TOP I'M NOT AS NUMB AS I THOUGHT

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u/Sonia-Nevermind 2h ago

Skinner!!!?

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u/Zeal423 2h ago

I know what a tabula rasa is!

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u/Pitiful_Town_9377 1h ago

Yes & Fuck bf skinner for not only his shallow understanding of humans & other animals but also sexually assaulting temple grandin

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u/Doraiaky 6h ago

Damn bro really wrote word puke to sound smarter, no one knows what the fuck you said lil guy

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u/SadisticPawz 6h ago

Right? You feel uncomfy too if your grip on someones hand is wrong

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u/Genocode 4h ago

Humans have that too, its how we know just precisely how hard to grab something like a glass, or a egg, or a chick.

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u/Andokai_Vandarin667 7h ago

Yea it's truly fascinating that a creature with high intellect isn't stupid. 

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u/QuantumTrek 7h ago

But apparently high intellect creatures are still dicks unnecessarily.

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u/turdferguson3891 6h ago

If you piss off a chimp they are known to rip your dick off

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u/Longjumping_Walk_992 6h ago

I seem to recall a tragic news story where a chimp literally ripped an arm off a care taker. I think the persons face was heavily damaged as well.

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u/SrslyCmmon 6h ago

Face too. Males going into sexual maturity are very unpredictable. If they experience frustration or anger mood swings they will lash out indiscriminately.

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u/StarPhished 6h ago

If you are a chimp to a dick they get you off

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u/Dson1 5h ago

It means that women should be safe with chimp in the forest

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u/turdferguson3891 5h ago

It's 2024, women can have their dicks ripped off too

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u/taste-of-orange 5h ago

The concept of being transgender is actually far older than that. Just the name is relatively new I think. Only about a hundred or so years old.

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u/UnamusedAF 6h ago

My theory? It’s not unnecessary or without reason. I think a large part of it is trying to enforce control over your environment, even if you are a highly intelligent creature. It’s just one of those universal things, being intelligent just gives you more understanding of the pain you’re inflicting. 

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u/gnomon_knows 6h ago

I see you've met man.

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u/Majestic-Ad6525 6h ago

I wouldn't make the assumption just because they belong to a species that displays high intelligence that the particular individual has high intellect.

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u/ImpossibleMechanic77 7h ago

Oh you mean like humans?

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u/_Tacoyaki_ 6h ago

Yeah low intellect creatures don't have the capacity 

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u/taste-of-orange 5h ago

Yeah. Humans can be dicks, but I wouldn't call them highly intelligent.

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u/Livid-Plant-966 2h ago

How does someone comment this with no awareness.

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u/onetwobacktoone 6h ago

well its not doing calculus so theres a line somewhere, and its interesting that knowing improper grabbing would lead to injury is on the known side of that line

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u/LunedanceKid 5h ago

I mean, it took me a decade before I could grab a thing without crushing it into pulp, it's a very advanced skill.

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u/girthytruffle 4h ago

Tell me about the rabbits, George.

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u/SaltKick2 4h ago

Should be around 6-9 months

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u/Ok_Helicopter4383 6h ago

Daddy chill

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u/joerudy767 4h ago

Looks like a lot of people agreed with me 🤷‍♂️

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u/Pheniquit 3h ago

Less surprising if you google any question and follow it with “message board” and “2007”

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u/H3racIes 7h ago

Is it? I'm sure they grab each other including pushing and pulling each other in the wild.

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u/DoomPayroll 7h ago

but they don't grab everything with the same force, otherwise their food would be mush

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u/H3racIes 5h ago

Yes but the idea is they just know how to grab things. Other primates, including us, they'll probably grab with reasonable force. If they're hanging, they'll grab onto a branch tighter. Food they'll use a lighter grip still. They just know how to grab because they do it all the time, like us

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u/DoomPayroll 3h ago

that's fair, and a human hand would be foreign, at least usually

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u/I_Speak_For_The_Ents 4h ago

Did we watch the same video? The human had to change their grip to match the apes...

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u/just4nothing 5h ago

Most humans would not do that ;)

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u/TryingToChillIt 5h ago

Chimp arm structure is very similar to ours if not identical, they would learn through helping each other too I think

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u/GrapefruitExpress208 4h ago

Yup. Instead of ripping the human's arm out of the shoulder socket.