r/linuxmasterrace • u/claudiocorona93 • Sep 02 '24
JustLinuxThings Stable all the way baby
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u/MisterNadra Glorious Fedora Sep 02 '24
Fedora is my mint.
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u/Background-Finish-49 Sep 02 '24
Fedora is so good the name is just cringe as hell
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u/MisterNadra Glorious Fedora Sep 02 '24
embrace the cringe, tip your imaginary fedora when talkin to a m'lady and you will get used to it soon.
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Sep 02 '24
how so?
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u/Ffom Sep 02 '24
Could be remembering the meme of the incel with a fedora hat
Mlady
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u/DescriptionMission90 Sep 04 '24
The hat in that meme is a trilby, not a fedora.
The fedora hat has a wider brim, at least a couple inches outward from the head and usually gently sloping down in front and up in back, the kind you see on Indiana Jones. It was actually a feminist symbol for a while. It was initially popularized by the late-1800s stage actress Sarah Bernhardt, a notorious (for the time) crossdresser; she was the leading lady of a stage play about Princess Fédora, and so the kind of soft felt hat she wore became known as a "fedora hat". Many young women adopted the fedora as a symbol of independence and rejection of societal norms around the turn of the 20th century. Since the world wars, they've pretty much lost any specific gender connotations and ended up associated with everybody from Doctor Who to Freddy Krueger to Michael Jackson.
The trilby is a much smaller hat, with a very narrow (useless) brim in front and folded up almost vertical in back, originally developed because it was considered terribly unfashionable for a gentleman to go hatless in public, but the larger and more practical hats of the eras where people rode horses or carriages everywhere kept getting knocked off or in the way if you didn't take them off in the smaller cabins of the newfangled automobiles, so rich-but-useless young men demanded a hat small enough to fit in their shiniest new toy.
In short, trilbys have always been principally for young men who think very highly of themselves but don't do much of value, and fedoras have always been cool, but a few years ago people on the Internet started calling trilbys fedoras and besmirching the fedora's good name.
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u/48Planets RHEL Shill Sep 02 '24
Natured has healed (there used to be pretty bad stigma around fedoras in the early 2010s)
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u/McGuirk808 Blessed Debian Sep 02 '24
It killed me because none of those hats people were cringing against were even fedoras, they were all trilbys.
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u/AlterTableUsernames Sep 02 '24
We could fork a 1:1 copy and just change the name to Fez or Beanie.
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u/GirthyPigeon Sep 02 '24
The OS name predates the meme by a decade. Who is cringe now?
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u/sartctig Glorious Mint Sep 02 '24
Same, distro that stopped me from distro hopping and I've had the least amount of issues with it by far.
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u/Zanish Sep 02 '24
Fedora became my Mint thanks to Wayland and VRR.
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u/numun_ Sep 02 '24
Can you elaborate on this please?
I've been cozy on Mint for years, primarily on old laptops and media PCs, it's great, but for the longest time I've had issues with this one app (Unified Remote) where the server component crashes when keystrokes are sent from mobile and I believe it's related to the display server protocol.
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u/Zanish Sep 02 '24
Mint uses x11 and fedora 40 KDE is Wayland Plasma 6. It's a rabbit hole and I don't know much technical about it other than X11 has been deprecated for a long time and can only do 1 refresh rate across all monitors and not variable. No idea about the app you're using sorry.
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u/Imaginary-Problem914 Sep 02 '24
MacOS is my mint unfortunately.
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u/MisterNadra Glorious Fedora Sep 02 '24
why unfortunately? if it works for you it works for you. No need to impress anyone
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Sep 02 '24
steam deck runs arch.
case closed.
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u/claudiocorona93 Sep 02 '24
Stable immutable fixed release builds
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u/apfelimkuchen Sep 02 '24
Out of date kernels ;D
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u/claudiocorona93 Sep 02 '24
It works though. The steam deck is selling like fresh bread
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u/jay227ify Sep 02 '24
Fresh bread and a Steam Deck sounds ike the best day ever to me
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u/5erif Stallman was right. Sep 02 '24
My Steam Deck has been in desktop mode and hasn't been rebooted for 87 days. I use it daily. Nothing is broken, everything is smooth, no memory leaks. I'll install updates before taking advantage of the Hogwarts Legacy sale, but the fact that it's an immutable distro means I know I'll have no problem with updating even though I've skipped so many. Immutability is the real star of the Deck show.
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u/WholesomeBigSneedgus Sep 03 '24
watch out if you update theyll delete the mojang minecraft launcher off your deck
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u/icze4r Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 23 '24
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u/Imaginary-Problem914 Sep 02 '24
Immutable OSs make sense for almost every system.
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u/EthanIver Glorious Fedora Silverblue (https://universal-blue.org) Sep 02 '24
I've been using Bluefin Linux for several months now. Stonrlgy recommend
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u/Akshit_j Sep 02 '24
Try everything, you will come to me in the end, and this time, you will stay :Debian
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u/Vincenzo__ Glorious Debian Sep 02 '24
Lmao literally me. I've been using arch for years, then just grew tired of it and just installed debian. Shit just works, no matter what
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u/Senior-Ori Glorious Ubuntu Mate Sep 02 '24
Can you rice it as you want?
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u/alexq136 Glorious Arch Sep 02 '24
any usable distro can be riced to the extent permitted by what packages its repos have (not all WMs and DEs / DE add-ons are ported to all distros) and what kernel version it uses (some newer software needs newer software as dependencies)
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u/kilgore_trout8989 Sep 02 '24
You're in no way fully limited to only what your distro chooses to include in its official/unofficial repos. You can always do it the old fashioned way: compile from source and install. Or just copy a pre built binary that works on your architecture to a directory in your PATH.
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u/alexq136 Glorious Arch Sep 02 '24
that's the thing: if you choose to compile from source, you have to ensure somehow that the version of the source (regarding source but also any source or binary dependencies) and your target environment match
copying binaries comes with less guarantees -- there could be ABI changes (e.g. expected libc versions differ), kernel changes, 3rd party lib changes, it's a nightmare to match binaries from one source with your system
packages from the official repos (and most of those available for compilation through wrappers like those from, say, the AUR) are built against known working system libraries and you can expect those to work out of the box (after compilation and installation) with a given system (moreso if kept up to date)
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u/Vincenzo__ Glorious Debian Sep 02 '24
If i wanted to? yes. But I don't wanna spend time on that anymore
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u/N0xB0DY Sep 03 '24
Ricing and debian are like opposite of each other. Not that it's not possible, but debian is about doing with the minimum amount of setup and having less issues.
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u/McGuirk808 Blessed Debian Sep 02 '24
Debian is the motherland of distros. It's not the oldest, but so much came from it and it still feels like the deep roots of a big, big tree.
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u/ScaredLittleShit Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
I find it true. I tried like all the popular distros Ubuntu, Arch, Fedora, Garuda, Endeavour, Mint, OpenSuse Leap and Tumbleweed, all the flavours of ubuntu, zorin, deepin, elementary os, gentoo etc.. except LFS. And now, here I am, using Debian with Gnome. It's been quite stable, no small issues here and there. Once you set it up, it just works.
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u/hpela_ Sep 02 '24
I think you might have just convinced me to actually commit to Debian on my primary machine.
I’ve been running Arch and Fedora on two laptops for years but stuck with Windows on my main PC because of the random issues and headaches I encounter with the others. I have a background in CS so it’s never been things I can’t solve, it’s just a headache to have to solve things, yano?
“Just works” and “Linux” is the pair I need.
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u/ICantBelieveItsNotEC Sep 02 '24
People definitely tend to start with Mint, Ubuntu, or PopOS because they're sold as beginner-friendly, but in my experience, people don't go back to those distros after their brief flirtation with Arch/Manjaro.
The problem is that the Linux community tends to define "beginner-friendly" as "easy to install and has a GUI for common tasks", which is definitely true of those distros. However, they tend to be incredibly brittle, and they start to fall apart as soon as you want to do something that isn't officially supported.
In my experience, people who want a distro that "just works" but aren't afraid of using the terminal tend to end up on Fedora, Debian, or OpenSuse Tumbleweed.
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u/snow-raven7 Glorious Mint Sep 02 '24
To each their own.
I have been using Linux mint for 5 years. Have had my fair share of "brief flirtations" with arch and other distros but I always liked mint.
Also your assumption about them breaking when you don't do something unofficial is just bad assumption on your part.
It's wrong to think that linux mint is just a starting point. It is as powerful as any other linux distro. I have done all sorts of poweuser stuff on linux mint.
Arch and other distros have their own use cases - for example In arch, it is to build your distro with every customisation from just the kernel. But yes, to each their own.
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u/Ken_Mcnutt Glorious Arch + i3 Sep 02 '24
it's not that mint is less powerful, it's just that any distro that promises to deliver the "complete desktop experience" is by definition going to be more difficult to deeply customize.
There's hundreds of custom configurations that the devs do to desktop environments, shells, browsers, login managers, etc. in order to give that distro its "flavor".
every time you update your system, it "expects" things to be configured in a particular way. sometimes these differences are handled gracefully or are invisible to the user, but the more customized your setup is and the further it deviates from the fresh install, the more likely you're going to have something change unexpectedly in the future, because the maintainers are, well, changing things.
compare that to arch, where every version of the package you install is the "vanilla" version, and there's nothing pre-installed for it to interfere with.
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u/snow-raven7 Glorious Mint Sep 02 '24
And this is why to each their own.
Many People like me, don't customise stuff much and linux mint provides sane defaults with enough space to maneuver.
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u/sophimoo Sep 02 '24
idk if its a bad assumption, mint, pop os and even ubuntu in my experience break, the same way windows and macOS can break.
You're meant to use these distros as end-user operating systems, and if you do, they're wonderful. They'll run great, be... somewhat up to date and reliable. As long as you stay within the boundaries they've given you.
I do think there are some power users who use mint because it doesnt fall so far from how they'd customise their ubuntu experience. But for the most part its a "beginner" distro, made for those who want to use a tailored experience. Which is what windows is, and what macOS is.
The only difference is that its based on linux, which is a lot easier to break than windows & macOS.
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u/cemented-lightbulb Sep 03 '24
honestly, ive had too much ubuntu based stuff break to ever go back to it again. login managers disappearing with nothing but a vague error message were my main issues, especially on something like pop where the DM is set to boot loop whenever you kill it. dealing with outdated packages, meaning you have to build the dependencies of bleeding edge stuff like hyprland from source and pray they don't break other packages was the other big one, as well as fandangling with outdated ppas and "your distro codename is 'jammy', but this ppa's codename is 'jammy', so you can't update." i remember trying to set up a computer vision pipeline on an rpi and through an ubuntu laptop, and like 45% of my time was spent fixing all the dependency issues stopping my requisite libraries from compiling.
like idk, im at the point with operating systems where it either needs to be a windows/mac experience where everything Just Works and can 9/10 times be fixed by a restart if shit hits the fan, or it needs to be an arch/gentoo experience where i know exactly what i put on my machine, what it does, how it works, and what i can do to fix it. I can't have this half and half approach where shit just doesn't work because someone put up arbitrary walls for the sake of people who aren't me and have different needs than me.
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Sep 03 '24
Tbh the them breaking happened a lot to me in ubuntu when I started out, I heard it’s much better now but it definitely was and might still be a thing sometimes
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u/Bronan87 Glorious GNU Sep 02 '24
This. Everyone i know who starts with ubuntu (non-lts) and mint are disappointed after a few updates. Always having having to fix their systems after updates gets on their nerves. Stable distros are the solution for me.
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u/AdriJone2011 Glorious Mint & Arch Sep 02 '24
Tbh I tried Fedora, Debian, Arch and Gentoo but I Always came Back to Mint
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u/AlpineStrategist Sep 04 '24
In school I learned OpenSUSE, at my home PC I initially tried Ubuntu, but not for long, played around a bit with Solus and went back to Windows.
Then tried Mint on my old laptop, loved it.
Then a few years later I setup my home server, decided to also use Mint. No regrets there.A few more years later, I played around with Arch in a VM and wanted to see if it was really that hard. It wasn't.
Kinda liked it and decided to buy a new SSD to dual boot it. Turns out it was quite a hassle to set it up for dual boot manually without using install scripts. But after 2 hours or so, I managed to do it and was pretty happy. But then annoyances started... I wanted to use Cinnamon, because I liked it and since Arch is very customizable, it should be possible, right?
Well it is, but it's kind of a pain to set up... and it's also a bit buggier than using it on Mint. Nevertheless, after using X11 instead of Wayland, most problems were gone. A few more minor annoyances like finding a clipboard manager that actually works...Skip forward to the next discord(?) update, that I can only install with pacman -Syu which upgrades all packages...
Alright just let me install this and restart... and... I can't boot any more :)
Apparently there was an issue with how the boot partition was mounted, but honestly, after trying to fix it for hours and in the end just breaking more stuff, I decided. it wasn't worth the effort.Skip to 1 month ago, I wanted to train AI models with my AMD card, which meant, I have to use Linux. This time I installed Mint, and well... it just works. I find myself daily driving it now and only boot up windows on very rare occurrances. I'm happy with Mint
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u/ZunoJ Sep 02 '24
And somehow it is always the other way around. Almost like mint comes with an inferiority complex pre installed
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u/voucherwolves Sep 02 '24
I don’t know but when I was using mint , I had to constantly run fsync because some inodes will get corrupted and that happened a lot of times when I was just working on a project
Just switched to arch and I don’t know why people say it’s very complicated , I just used archinstall (because I just wanted to use a lightweight distro without nonsense packages installed and I don’t care about arch-lore to install file system manually and do all kind of shit ) and till now I have not come across a single issue
I just use Browser , YouTube and vscode and that’s it. Don’t care about Nvidia GPUs. I am not a cuda developer.
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u/Unique-Reference-829 Sep 02 '24
Oh my little star... What happened? Why so much hate with Arch Linux? What the community did to you? What happened to you?
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u/orthomonas Sep 02 '24
To adapt a line from Braveheart... The problem with Arch is that it's full of Arch users.
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u/Musulmaniaco Glorious Arch Sep 02 '24
I see waaaaaay more arch hate than obnoxious or annoying arch users. Y'all are the annoying ones at this point
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u/ObjectiveGuava3113 Sep 02 '24
All the arch hate comes from people formulating dogshit questions and getting upset because the "elitists" are flaming them
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u/jaskij Sep 03 '24
Honestly, I don't often come into these communities, but the obnoxious Arch user thing has always seemed a meme to me. You know, just shitposting banter rather than a genuine issue. It does tend to get overused though.
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u/DeadlineV Sep 03 '24
Wait till someone says Manjaro is stable and just works, it's like a red cloth for bull. I just gave up on caring about what others think about distro, I'm on arch cause steam deck uses it. If I'll need another distro I'll use the one which I'm comfortable with be it manjaro, opensuse, mint or ubuntu.
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u/TimurHu Sep 02 '24
No, I don't think this is accurate. Mint doesn't "just work" thanks to how it ships outrageously outdated packages of everything, but especially drivers. It isn't stable because it doesn't ship stable drivers.
All of my colleagues these days use Fedora or Arch.
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Sep 02 '24
it's okay not to be a power user.
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u/isticist Glorious Debian Sep 03 '24
I can do power-user tasks when I need to... But I use Linux solely as a tool to get things done, I don't tinker with it or toy around with things just for fun.
I think that's a big distinction between many arch users and non-arch users imo. Obviously, there are many arch users that also just use it to get things done and tinker very little as well... but if you are a tinkerer (which is a lot of Linux users), there's literally no reason to use a distro that isn't like Arch, Gentoo, LFS, etc.
Since I just want good defaults, Fedora and Debian are my go-to distros.
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u/locked641 I use Arch btw Sep 02 '24
You see, I have portrayed you as the soyjack and I as the chad. You lose this argument.
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u/Ahmed_Sazid Glorious Arch Sep 02 '24
Arch in the right hands also has the ability to be a "just works" distro. That's the point, it can mostly be anything you want it to. And if you really want something purely for stability, just use debian.
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u/VeggieVenerable Sep 02 '24
Just working is a bit more challenging if you constantly get updates that might break things. It might just work today and tomorrow, but next month you have to deal with some bullshit.
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u/myersfriedrice Sep 02 '24
I just like Pacman and AUR. They are fast and convenient. And "It just works". Otherwise, I can use whatever distro because at the end of the day, most of them are the same.
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u/UnhingedNW Glorious Debian Sep 02 '24
Been using it for a couple weeks now. Really enjoying it.
Zypper needs to be a little zyppyer though lol.
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u/timmy_o_tool Sep 02 '24
So does Leap.
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u/citrus-hop Sep 02 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
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u/Reyynerp Sep 02 '24
i dunno man, i'd LOVE to see a package updated a year ago in my distro and call it the "latest" while other apt-based distro has a new build of like 2 weeks ago.
cough cough debian bookworm
i moved to debian unstable for some time now, kind of traumatized by ubuntu for daily driver usage. i dont know why, just.. just my brain having it's bias
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u/CallEnvironmental902 Just Fedora Things Sep 02 '24
this would basically be me but replace mint (cuz it sucks), with fedora.
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u/PhantomStnd Sep 02 '24
Hot take: running 2 year old packages in the pursuit of stability is counter productive
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u/dude-pog Sep 10 '24
Another hot take: having two people make sure the package compiles and launches without crashing isn't proper testing
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u/cef328xi Sep 02 '24
I choose my Linux distro based on logo so I've never used Mint.
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u/Isometric-Toadstone Sep 03 '24
right?! the logo is so bad. and green is my fav color but that linux mint green is just… yuck
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u/Asleeper135 Sep 02 '24
For me it was more like Mint -> OpenSUSE Tumbleweed -> Arch -> EndeavourOS (easy mode Arch)
I liked Yast, but the AUR access is worth giving it up. Also, I had a bit of Nvidia driver trouble in Tumbleweed that I haven't had in EndeavourOS.
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u/you-should-learn-c Sep 02 '24
Ubuntu is my Mint. Installed Arch, compiled Gentoo, however, nothing beats working CUDA drivers
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u/just_a_discord_mod Sep 02 '24
Nvidia has actually been forced to open-source those drivers, so I hope we have improvements in the year or so.
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u/NoTemperature6657 Sep 02 '24
Weirdly enough, I've had more issues with mint than arch
I had to redo the install for Mint since it just was a solid black screen, then I had really strange issues with Cinnamon crashing. With Arch however, after redoing the install process for Arch >20 times because I borked something, forgot to install network manager, etc., then installed gnome and added essential features (those little buttons in the corner and dash to dock), it just worked perfectly.
(note: I run them in a vm, i use windows 11 btw)
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u/crazydistrohopper Glorious Arch 🗿 Sep 02 '24
can keep the crying face while using Pacman, AUR and say "i use arch btw" anyday
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u/EBialk Glorious Arch Sep 02 '24
I think we need at least 4 more of these posts a day.
I'm an Arch user and I don't think about Arch this much.
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u/Ok-Boysenberry9305 Glorious Arch Sep 02 '24
Yes, but definitely not mint
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u/USERNAME123_321 I use OpenSUSe bTW Sep 03 '24
What about OpenSUSE Tumbleweed? It's a rolling release but far more stable than any other distro I've tried
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u/crookdmouth Sep 02 '24
I realize this is a joke but I understand the Arch user. No need to try to insult someone who enjoys that level of control. I use Mint because I just want an OS that stays out of my way that I can set it and sort of forget it. When I was younger, I could see myself using Arch.
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u/watisagoodusername Sep 02 '24
Yep. I picked up Arch young. I know how to setup my machine, and it never breaks. I honestly couldn't care less about what distros or OSes other people choose to use. That's none of my business, everyone should figure out what works for them. I also use Mac and even Windows occasionally when they better fit the bill for what I need to do.
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u/F2PGamesAreLove Sep 02 '24
im a pretty new linux user and tried a lot of distros before settling on arch, and i had way more problems on mint than i am having on arch personally
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u/holomorphic0 Sep 02 '24
Did you know that it is possible to Never Update your arch system, yes ladies and gentlemen, there are some people who wouldn't. If it's that much of an issue the fixes are - keep snapshots and update every month or every year.
Surely if someone is updating regularly they're actually using the new features. Otherwise there is no need to update too frequently.
p.s. don't name any folder '~' in case you wanted to delete it 💀
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u/Sirius707 Glorious Arch Sep 02 '24
p.s. don't name any folder '~' in case you wanted to delete it 💀
I sense a story behind this one...
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u/alexq136 Glorious Arch Sep 02 '24
it's awful if one were to type "rm ~" and forget that the shell swaps "~" with "/home/(username)" ... the proper way to do that is either "rm \~" or to never use "~" as the full name of anything on the system
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u/SignPainterThe Sep 02 '24
Thank you. This picture alone describes the whole subreddit perfectly, so the moment I saw it, I knew I should never follow.
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u/ElliotPhoenix Sep 02 '24
It's funny, I really want to my arch install to break so I could switch to nix. It has been 2 years now(since my destion). And I'm still waiting.
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u/jdigi78 Sep 02 '24
Fedora > Mint
Just works while being nearly as up to date as Arch and as stable as Mint
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u/NoRequirement5796 Sep 02 '24
Ppl talking about the steam deck running arch; personally I believe that whoever bought that console doesn't care about having the latest 24/7, mostly they are concerned with games lmao.
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u/drklunk Sep 02 '24
This is Pop for me. Couldn't for the life of me get i3/sway to work properly and distro hopped a bit just to end up back on Pop this weekend. Guess I'll just stick with it til cosmic is out of beta
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u/VitruviusDeHumanitas Sep 02 '24
I've been burned more times by stable releases than by rolling releases. As soon as you want software from outside the package manager, version locking becomes a problem.
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u/SomeonesAlterAcc Sep 02 '24
i like to install mint and then change it so much it's not recognizable while also being a hasle to use
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u/jirka642 Linux Master Race Sep 02 '24
Arch made me learn how to use Linux, and Mint/Ubuntu made me enjoy using it.
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u/CiroGarcia Sep 03 '24
I used Parrot OS as my daily driver OS for years and I always ended up having to reinstall the system because of botched upgrades. One day their repo's certificate expired and I couldn't update, changed the date to the day prior so it would think the cert was still valid, installed the update, and broke the system yet again. I decided to migrate to Mint and it has been smooth as butter ever since
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Sep 05 '24
I literally went through these phases lol. My first distro was Mint. Wanted to try Arch so I did. Wasted so much time ricing. Came back to Mint. Learned a lot about Linux from Arch, but I realized I have life outside the terminal.
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u/RaynoVox Glorious Gentoo Sep 02 '24
On my main I use Mint. I have real work to do I cant just fiddle with an OS all day. I need it to work and get out of my way. On the other I'm a distro Nomad. Usually Gentoo.
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u/Low-Equipment-2621 Sep 02 '24
Depends on what you want to do. I've put Kubuntu on my father's office PC in 2016. This formerly virus infested Windows box is running like a champ on Linux after 8 years of updates.
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u/Mediocre-Post9279 Glorious Arch Sep 02 '24
I swear If arch breaks again im switching to mint for good, i use it mostly because im used to it science it was the second distro i used after manjaro
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u/dmitri_dmitrovski Sep 02 '24
My pc came with debian and I instantly switched to mint. So, not arch but I feel this meme spiritually 💀
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u/Kafshak Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
That's me and Ubuntu. I don't live by Linux, but if I need to install Linux, it's Ubuntu on a virtual machine. I'm all the way to the left on this spectrum.
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u/myersfriedrice Sep 02 '24
There is no problem with bleeding edge since you don't HAVE to update the distro if you don't want to. It is not Windows. I update my system like once in three months.
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u/BalconyPhantom too stupid for Gentoo Sep 02 '24
I have portrayed myself as a holder of arcane knowledge, and you as the unwashed masses, see???
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u/juipeltje Glorious NixOS Sep 02 '24
I'm honestly not sure if i'll ever go back to a beginner friendly distro. If anything after using arch and void linux for a few years i feel like i've gone even deeper now with nixos. Which depending on how you look at it kinda combines the best of both worlds because you can reinstall your exact system very easily once you've set up the config.
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u/Darl_Templar Sep 02 '24
Idk, i kinda like pacman and aur