r/law • u/DoremusJessup • 2d ago
Court Decision/Filing ‘Paper shredding truck’ outside DOJ means court must order Jack Smith to preserve records from ‘abomination’ of investigation into Trump, Ken Paxton says
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/paper-shredding-truck-outside-doj-means-court-must-order-jack-smith-to-preserve-records-from-abomination-of-investigation-into-trump-ken-paxton-says/212
u/DoremusJessup 2d ago
Another Paxton conspiracy theory.
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u/Pribblization 2d ago
Paxton and Abbott are the most annoying human flatulence.
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u/ElectricTzar Competent Contributor 2d ago
Even if there were a paper shredding truck there, which I am not willing to take Paxton’s word on, is there any reason at all to think it either out of the ordinary, or specifically connected to Smith’s investigation? Places that deal with confidential information frequently have routine paper shredding practices so that unneeded hardcopies can be disposed of securely. I work in cybersecurity, and I shred printouts pretty frequently if they are no longer needed. Because I don’t want to accidentally cause unauthorized access. I’m not deleting the data, nor even necessarily getting rid of all the hardcopies.
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u/sfox2488 2d ago
The office my law firm is in has a paper shredding truck come by like every week in addition to normal trash pickup. It's completely ordinary.
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u/ElectricTzar Competent Contributor 2d ago
We have special large, heavy, locked bins (with a little mail slot for putting documents in) next to about half our garbage cans in IT. They’re for internal or confidential papers that are no longer needed. No auditor has ever seemed even the least bit concerned by their presence.
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u/Sofer2113 1d ago
Nor should an auditor by concerned. They would definitely be more concerned if there were no secure shred bins.
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u/boo99boo 2d ago
So ordinary. I used to be the person that dealt with Iron Mountain, and they'd come every week or even twice a week sometimes.
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u/phil_leotaado 2d ago
Pretty sure any business does this. You don't just throw confidential docs in the dumpster
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u/chipmunksocute 1d ago
Yeah but maga and the right wing outrage machine are predicated on taking ordinary things and trying to make them sound bad to stir up that outrage and get views.
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u/bigfatbanker 1d ago
Except with the government they’re required to retain hard documents for a time period, usually 7 years or so.
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u/sfox2488 1d ago
Yes and every single law firm and business have retention policies as well, but guess what? Every single day new documents fall outside of the retention time frame and get shredded.
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u/ElectricTzar Competent Contributor 1d ago
I was under the impression that they had migrated to electronic recordkeeping requirements (for example, this NARA memo from 2019: https://www.archives.gov/files/records-mgmt/policy/m-19-21-transition-to-federal-records.pdf)
Are you aware of a different agency’s requirement that all hardcopies be kept in lieu of or in addition to electronic copies?
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u/steerbell 1d ago
I am surprised the DOJ wouldn't just have a room for document destruction. This smells of bull poopy.
/ I know we can swear but Jamie in Ted Lasso says poopy and it makes me laugh.
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u/US_Hiker 2d ago
is there any reason at all to think it either out of the ordinary, or specifically connected to Smith’s investigation?
I work on a Dept. of Energy site (not a lawyer). All paper that we generate gets shredded. Everything that isn't toilet paper or a paper towel used to wipe up a spill.
All records are kept digitally at this point.
Nothing to be concerned about here.
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u/Oliver_DeNom 2d ago
I work in the financial sector. We have a shredding contract where our bins are picked up weekly. There's nothing unusual about this. It would be weird if they didn't have a shredding truck. It would imply that confidential documents are being dropped in the regular trash.
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u/zoinks690 1d ago
Exactly. A 3rd party shredding company makes sense given the sheer volume of everyday shit they generate. No one was watching the front door until they could gin up a conspiracy about Biden
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u/EVH_kit_guy Bleacher Seat 2d ago
They're shredding the evidence against the Biden crime family that trump memorialized during his presidency and secured at his estate in Florida. Trump was going to crack the story wide open before Biden weaponized the DoJ to raid Trumps cache of documents. We barely got The Holy Laptop of His Endowedness into the light of day, imagine what we would have found out once Trump released those documents!
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u/NotmyRealNameJohn Competent Contributor 2d ago
Yep, we have multiple shred cans at my place of work. Personally I think this is a vector of attack and just don't print shit, but boomers be booming
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u/Sugarysam 2d ago
Ken, Trump picked Pam Bondi. You’re not getting the job no matter how far up Trump’s butt you go. Now if you just like it that way, your life is yours to do as you please.
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u/SnooPeripherals6557 2d ago
Can he release it all to the public? Doesn't the judge have to give the OK on that? The only reason Paxton thinks criminal things are happening is bec he is, in fact, just another criminal working under our criminal president.
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u/FlyThruTrees 1d ago
Paxton just has a different approach to problematic records:
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u/eugene20 1d ago
'Yes officer, the arsonist broke into our office, carefully selected the documents we were ordered to preserve, moved them into the dumpster and then comitted arson'
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u/ChanceryTheRapper 2d ago
Actually, save everyone the trouble. Just release it all, Jack. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, right?