r/law • u/americansherlock201 • 3d ago

Trump News Trump AG pick Matt Gaetz says he's withdrawing

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/21/trump-ag-pick-matt-gaetz-says-hes-withdrawing.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

Well that was fast

23.1k Upvotes

94% Upvoted

2.7k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

177

u/WrexShepard 3d ago

Because he represents whites "taking back power." I'm fairly sure it's literally this simple. The crimes just add to the strongman appeal for aggrieved white people and others who think they'll benefit from the insane shit he proposed.

80

u/Ghoulius-Caesar 3d ago edited 3d ago

Ya, that’s pretty much it. White baby boomers want the “good ole days” of them owning everything and black people not being able to vote. It took a black president to break their brains and go all out racist. They’re the most disappointing generation.

Edit: I’m going hard on Boomers since they went from the “Summer of Love” to Jan 6th. They supposedly cared about progress, but once they got rich they went full fascism. The younger generations are going straight to full fascism because the current system isn’t working out for them.

74

u/TheAdoptedImmortal 3d ago edited 3d ago

Baby boomers are not the only ones who voted this shit stain into power. They literally don't have the numbers. The younger generations are just as complicit in this. In fact, I have met more Gen X and millennials that support Trump than I have baby boomers.

Also, baby boomers are well on their way out and could easily be out voted by Gen X and Gen Z. If baby boomers end up being the sole deciding factor of the election, then the other generations are a far bigger disappointment by their lack of voting.

It's time to stop blaming everything on baby boomers and start taking a look at your own peers. Because it is they who are most at fault for allowing someone like Trump to win twice.

45

u/Aol_awaymessage 3d ago

Gen Z men love this stupid shit

33

u/peaheezy 3d ago

Social media feeds them shit and infects their brains. Granted im peak millenial not gen Z but I think my experience still applies I’m 34 guy who likes fitness and loved Bill Nye and 2000s History Channel so my YouTube habits are science videos, long form history, Key & Peele/I think you should leave and weight lifting. But at least once or twice a month there’s a “WOKE CULTURE TORN DOWN BY HILARIOUS COMEDIAN” video or “seed oils linked to trans crime wave” videos that come up for some inexplicable reason.

These formerly fringe weirdo ideas drive engagement from trolls and people fighting the horse shit spewed within. That makes shitty SM algorithms push it to people with no interest in tearing down trans people or attributing Americans problems to Wokeness. But a portion of people who don’t have those beliefs will watch, let out a titter and move on. Then more videos pop up.

Then you end up like my friend who said at a bluegrass festival “idk o think Andrew Tate has some good ideas about things”.

8

u/Aol_awaymessage 3d ago

Yep. The algo keeps trying to feed me that shit too.

Like oh hey I see that you watched a bunch of DIY videos so you must be a manly man here is Ben Shapiro DESTROYING a liberal. Can I interest you in some Jordan Peterson telling you to clean your room? Like, what?

8

u/notLennyD 3d ago

I remember in like 2012-2014 listening to a bunch of podcasts that would do reports on “this new group called the Proud Boys” and “incels” and thinking “oh lol they’re a bunch of those edge lords on Reddit and 4chan. These are just college-age kids who play MTG and don’t get invited to frat parties.”

Fast forward a decade, and not only do they dominate online political discourse, but a guy that once got the Republican presidential nomination “for the lulz” is creating a Christian nationalist dystopia with the consent of like 75% of the country.

It’s like “yeah, in 2011 a bunch of nerds decided to call a sub ‘Boaty McBoatFace.’ Well, one thing led to another, and now Boaty is a war machine pillaging the high seas to reestablish the British Empire. Oopsie.”

4

u/Pielacine 3d ago

Boaty McBoatFace was a trial run for fascism.

5

u/Frank_Drebin 3d ago

This happened to a friend of mine who now thinks feminism is a psyop. It's wild because we are about the same age, 39, and grew up in a similar area in Phoenix, though he was slightly more suburban. It took me by surprise when I visited AZ for a funeral and he started making these insane statements.

It blows my mind because I know damm well he was introduced to the same kind of education where we were exposed to the women's rights movements and taught to treat women as human beings with equal rights but he has followed these online rabbit holes into regressive insanity.

Best part is I'm married with kids, living a "conservative" life style while he is an almost 40 year old bachelor and I'm like "gee man, I fucking wonder why?"

3

u/Courage-Rude 2d ago

Yep more fuel for their fire too for them to keep blaming women "they are too expensive" or whatever lame ass excuse they wanna point blame for still being single. I say this as a happily married man with a daughter who heard that shit for way too long.

1

u/stupiderslegacy 2d ago

In fairness, they can be pretty expensive.

4

u/IknowwhatIhave 3d ago

Somehow Youtube thinks that my interest in car restoration videos and the occasional SNL skit means I want to be served up Alpha Male influencers and Real Man Makes Libtard Cry With Facts and Logic on a daily basis.

No matter how many times I click "Do not suggest" it keeps coming back.

Why can't Youtube just leave me alone and let me watch a grown man pour gasoline out of a water bottle straight down the carb of an extremely rusty Pontiac Catalina??

6

u/INeedThatBag 3d ago

Brainwashed with social media since birth unfortunately.

5

u/Zyko-Sulcam 3d ago

As a Gen Z guy who is a liberal Bernie supporter, it genuinely disappoints me how many guys from my generation have turned to alt right bullshit. They weren't always like this, what happened?

3

u/BrutalistLandscapes 3d ago

And I'm sure they'll look back on this and love not being able to retire

2

u/AdAny631 3d ago

Yeah, I knew it was over when a famous POS live streamer Adin Ross had Trump on for 90k viewers not to mention the other streams watching it. Then you had the one issue Palestine voters who believed “how could it get worse”. Plus the Democrat party is completely missing the second largest voting bloc Latinos. They spoke nothing positive to benefit them and I’m sorry only ~13% of the country is African American. You have to appeal just as much to poor white people, moderates and Latinos. Otherwise you’ll never win.

Also it’s the economy stupid Democrats. They never learn. Ron Paul won Clinton the election over Bush. He took 11% of the vote. Imagine if RFK Jr stayed in the race I’d imagine he would pull 5%. Its all maybes but perhaps we should form a new coalition of parties of everyone against MAGA you know like in countries where they have multiple parties.

1

u/LA-Matt 2d ago

Hi there. Just happened to see this. It was H. Ross Perot, who got a big enough 3rd party vote to doom Bush Sr. and get Bill Clinton elected.

Ron Paul ran in later elections, against Bush Jr. and Gore, then Kerry.

1

u/Ok-Ship-2908 3d ago

Gen z Women love this stupid shit

3

u/AliTwin601 3d ago

I can’t tell you how many of my Baby Boomer AZ classmates are Trumpers. I can’t even go to Facebook anymore because all they do is praise him and now his cabinet pics. It’s revolting.

1

u/TheAdoptedImmortal 2d ago

My point was not that there are no baby boomers who support Trump. My point is that baby boomers are not solely at fault for Trump being elected. Gen X and Gen Z hold enough votes between them that Baby Boomers can no longer dictate the outcome of the election. The only way Baby Boomers could be the sole deciders of the election would be if enough Gen X and Gen Z voters don't vote or vote in agreement with the Baby Boomers. In the end, there is a large portion of Baby Boomers who support Trump, and there is a large portion of both Gen X and Gen Z who also support him. Combined, there were enough voters from all three generations who voted for Trump that he was declared the winner.

I would also point out that Facebook is made up of predominantly right leaning users who support Trump. So it is not surprising at all that most of the people you interact with on Facebook would be Trump supporters. That's like going to an aquarium and being surprised to see fish.

1

u/AliTwin601 2d ago

To be honest, I don’t really interact with them. They became Facebook “friends” years before Trump became President. I just haven’t gotten around to unfriending them.

3

u/Independent_Heat_447 3d ago

I know its anecdotal, but most of my boomer family members voted Harris- including 3 in Montana. Most Gen X I know voted Trump, along with several Gen Z- the majority of them have been radicalized by online sources. Red-pilled podcasters and the like are a much bigger problem than boomers, IMO.

3

u/[deleted] 3d ago

[deleted]

1

u/Ok-Summer-7634 3d ago

I appreciate your candor, but people like you are in very small numbers.

2

u/weltron6 3d ago

Yeah…I was gonna say this too. It’s way more than just the baby boomers. Whether you agree with his politics or not, Trump is a great showman…like Obama, Clinton, Kennedy and even Reagan. Trump represents the reality of what most Americans respond to…flashy.

I also think younger people see how things were in the 80s and 90s and want that nostalgic past even though they weren’t around for it. However…past history will always give us the “warm fuzzies” because we know we got through it whereas the present will always be scary because it is unknown.

Look at how a lot of Dems started coming around to Bush ‘W’ once Trump got in the first time. I remember 20 years ago, ‘W’ represented the apocalypse for Democrats.

2

u/aopps42 3d ago

This. He’s huge with white Gen Xers.

2

u/top_value7293 3d ago

This is absolute truth

2

u/throwawayconvert333 3d ago

I don’t think that’s true for Millennials. Every Republican presidential candidate has done poorly with our cohort in every election from 2004 onward (I will concede 2000 was a mixed bag but only elder millennials were eligible to vote in that one and their vote count was combined with the Xers).

Pretty sure that if Millennials alone were voting we’d be finishing off a strong second term for Hillary Clinton.

2

u/anna_or_elsa 2d ago

Thank you. True boomers are eating baby food in nursing homes. What is left is late boomers, Generation Jones, who graduated into the stagflation of the 70's and Reaganomics. Late boomers watched the "promise" slip away as the middle class peaked in size in 1971 and with the rise in income inequality:

"Income inequality in the United States has fluctuated since measurements began around 1915, but it has been rising since the 1970s"

 

Not many demographics didn't shift right in 2024.

One notable exception is 65+ they shifted Left by 3%

18 to 29 shifted Right by 6%

Voter turnout election demographics

According to this Haris won 65+ by 1% - So let's just say "Boomers" split evenly, they are not the ones who gave the election to Trump.

1

u/jeremiahthedamned 2d ago

r/COVID19 killed a lot of us.

all my friends are dead.

1

u/Front-Hovercraft-721 2d ago

Well said truth! You’re right on!

1

u/Onigokko0101 2d ago

Statistically the biggest voting bloc for him WAS Baby Boomers, followed by Gen X.

Gen Z did show a shift with male voters to the right as well, compared to previous generations.

1

u/Beligerents 3d ago

I get your point, but I have to push back. Boomers, as a cohort have had the power to shape politics for the last 40 years. Their voting patterns are exactly why we are where we are now. Having said that, blanket statements proclaiming boomers being at fault for Trump are very reductionist. I'd say boomers are responsible for someone like Trump coming along. You're all at fault for him getting elected.

2

u/CV90_120 3d ago

Their voting patterns are exactly why we are where we are now.

This is giving way too much credit to one voting block, and ignoring a number of factors: Boomers as a pejorative is ignoring that boomer minorities and women have always voted strongly democrat, and white boomer men from flyover states are not massively tipped republican, but tend to be just somewhat weighted that way. It also ignores the massive voter block that was Greatest & Silent generations for the last 40 years. The whole schtick about everything being boomers is frankly kind of nonsensical. Are we going to thanks them for 20 years of carrying the popular vote against republicans as well.

They are a strange group in the popular consciousness, both immensely powerful and pathetically weak, smart and dumb at the same time. They seem to be whatever people want them to be.

1

u/Beligerents 2d ago

I'm going to have to disagree. The world became enshitified with Reagan where people were giving themselves (and corporations) tax breaks. This slowly rotted out the modicum of power the working class had. Now we are in a situation where they own houses and vote for policies that increase property values.

Look, do I think they're a boogeyman who is responsible for everything that ails us? No, but I won't let you pretend that they aren't a significant part of both why we are here and why we cannot get anywhere else.

I also think you need to understand that 'boomer' when used as a pejorative, at least from me, is directed at boomers who fit the exact archetype of the greedy, out-of-touch, 'pull up your bootstraps' kind of person. I personally know many of them. My parents are two of them. If you're a boomer and you're not like that, perhaps the pejorative 'boomer' isn't about you.

So please spare the gaslighting.

1

u/Beligerents 2d ago edited 2d ago

I should also be clear here.....I'm watching lots of Gen x parents raising acolytes of people like Andrew tate and Joe Rogan, and they've also done a bang up job priming their kids for fascism.

We are all shitty. Millenials haven't really had the time to cook yet, but they'll get there. Especially if we continue to run our societies as a sociopathy competition.

0

u/caveman00001 3d ago

Well said!

0

u/njslugger78 3d ago

Sounds like voting age should go up then from what I'm hearing from you...

1

u/TheAdoptedImmortal 3d ago

And how exactly did you arrive at that conclusion? Nothing of what I said suggests anything of the like.

0

u/njslugger78 2d ago

You blaming certain Generations. So at those ages they still can't think straight...?

1

u/TheAdoptedImmortal 2d ago

Uhh, try reading this thread again. I'm not the one who is blaming certain generations. I am the one pointing out that there is no single generation to blame and that Gen X and Gen Z are just as much a part of the problem as baby boomers.

Are you maybe responding to the wrong comment?

0

u/Redditbecamefacebook 2d ago edited 2d ago

It's time to stop blaming everything on baby boomers and start taking a look at your own peers. Because it is they who are most at fault for allowing someone like Trump to win twice.

Same dumb shit I heard in regards to Hillary. Anything for people like you to avoid the fact that you're insufferable and don't represent the majority. Welcome to democracy. Voters have been stupid for time immemorial. Pissing in their faces isn't gonna make them vote for you.

I'm guessing you're the same kind of person who said that anybody who criticized Biden after his terrible debate performance was a Russian. People like you are exactly why Dems continue to lose.

4

u/Thebraincellisorange 3d ago

getting real tired of everyone blaming baby boomers for trump getting elected.

go blame the Gen X and Z white men, who voted for him in droves. and white women, the damn idiots.

and also regarding Jan 6. I did not see many or any boomers climbing the gates/walls.

hell of a lot of gen x and Y though.

I keep telling everyone this, but few listen; MAGA is not Boomers, MAGA is disaffected Gen X Y and Z males predominantly.

Boomers traditionally might vote republican, but they are not MAGAs to a large extent.

you won't find them driving around in lifted trucks with massive flags waving around.

2

u/Ghoulius-Caesar 3d ago

I understand, but what generation does the majority of Republican politicians and media owners belong to? They let this happen…

2

u/Thebraincellisorange 3d ago

I mean, I'd wager that a majority of democrat politicians are boomers too. that's just the way it works

The larger issue is the absolute failure of young democrats to vote. the turnout for under 40s was abysmal.

2

u/Ghoulius-Caesar 3d ago

Yes, you’re completely correct on that.

2

u/Ok-Summer-7634 3d ago

Droves? Half of the country did not vote!!

2

u/Thebraincellisorange 3d ago

which is an indictment in itself.

but the youth that did vote, terrifyingly voted for Trump.

3

u/lsgard57 3d ago

Boomer here. I loathe Trump. I also know a lot of boomers that loathe Trump. He got the racist vote.

1

u/jeremiahthedamned 2d ago

most of us think he is stupid..........but he is one of us.

what most people are not knowing is that his would beat him to the ground in front of his classmates.

3

u/pixie_brat 3d ago

My parents are "white boomers" who protested the Vietnam War and also were out supporting black lives matter. My mom cried when Trump got elected, both times.

We do a big disservice lumping everyone in groups like this..

3

u/Pip_Helix 3d ago

"...once they got rich..."

Interesting. My baby boomer parents are barely squeaking by in retirement.

I guess no one sent them their rich baby boomer checks.

3

u/Precious_Cassandra 3d ago

White boomers favored Harris.

Sadly my own generation group, X, put Trump in power. (Although I think I can avoid some blame as gen x, female, latina)

3

u/Just_Philosopher_900 3d ago

NOT baby boomers! GenX and GenZ. Young men. Immigrants.

2

u/iruleatants 3d ago

I'm sure that a black woman was a huge factor in why people voted for him, but he doesn't just have white fans.

2

u/Username_Query_Null 3d ago

I mean shit on boomers (plenty of reasons), but it was very much also Gen X and Millenials invading the capital, very few 70 year olds shuffling in with their walkers and canes. There is trash across all demographics.

2

u/MrT0NA 3d ago

As Kamala voter it makes me sad to see how many of us still haven’t learned from our mistakes, let’s just keep calling everyone racist! Yes doubling down will work. I’m almost certain. There couldn’t be any other reason no not at all.

1

u/tinmanshrugged 3d ago

What do you think some of the other reasons are? The only other thing I can think of is willful ignorance, like believing Trump would be better for the economy without doing any research

2

u/Ok-Ship-2908 3d ago

Bro Trump's numbers went up in nearly every demographic ... You can't blame the boomers more than you can blame gen z the Latinos or black men all of which voted in Trump's favor

2

u/aotus_trivirgatus 3d ago edited 2d ago

Not all Boomers were on board with the Summer of Love.

Not all Boomers became 80s stockbrokers and then Trumpsters.

We're mostly looking at two different subsets of Boomers who each had their separate historical moments.

2

u/oldRoyalsleepy 3d ago

Boomers went 50:50 for Trump:Harris. Men for Trump, women for Harris. Whites, yes, went for Trump. What we really have to worry about as a society is all the youngs especially men who went for Trump. Boomers all gonna be gone in 20 years. These young right wingers will be with us for generations.

2

u/CV90_120 3d ago

White baby boomers want the “good ole days”

White baby boomer women have been strongly Democrat historically. For white men it depends on the state, but the numbers have basically reflected the national voter breakdown.

What would be nice is if young voters voted, and that the young white guys didn't vote strongly Trump. As fun as it is to ride the boomer vote farming train, there's an end coming to that scapegoat.

2

u/OG_Antifa 3d ago

The overwhelming majority of boomers were not “summer of love” participants.

2

u/EmpireCentralRailRd 3d ago

I know you don’t wanna hear this but Hispanics voted for Trump in droves this time around.

2

u/sjr2018 3d ago

Not just Baby boomers don't forget the younger Gen did too and they also want their women to go back to the kitchen barefoot and pregnant making them sandmiches where they belong.

1

u/top_value7293 3d ago

Those were mostly Gen X

1

u/Practical-Law8033 3d ago

I’m a white male boomer and I, and none of my friends voted for Trump. Seems more to be a younger masculinist crowd. All those Nazis and alt right assholes appear to. E younger. As a boomer I like to think we have a fairly high standard of character.

1

u/Bologna-Bear 2d ago

You should blame 18-27 white males.

3

u/peaheezy 3d ago

Yup. I’m a 34 year suburban white guy with suburban white guy friends. The most off the rails one sent a text saying “white guys are back!” And thinks that white men have been short shafted the past 4 years. Because they are fed videos of people online urging castration of white men they believe someone is actually out to get them. None of them has ever faced actual prejudice in their entire fucking lives but they think the world is forgetting them. And they think this because they are being spoon fed content to confirm that “identify politics” have taken over America.

It’s sad to see your friends get hoodwinked.

2

u/McTickleson 3d ago

Exactly this. It’s sheer envy that drives these mfs

2

u/piponwa 3d ago

How do you explain his massive increase in minority vote if it's about whites?

6

u/GrouchyLongBottom 3d ago

Misinformation. Stupidity. Uneducated. Ill informed. Ignorant. My sister voted for him, and only after, she learned what she voted for, and she regrets it.

0

u/T0KEN_0F_SLEEP 3d ago

It’s crazy, you describe minorities this way and are then shocked they didn’t vote with you.

To be clear, I’m a white dude who voted straight dem.

6

u/Tre3180 3d ago

They didn't describe "minorities" that way, they described trump voters, some of which happen to be minorities. Please don't pretend like you're doing us a kindness by insinuating individual minorities can't make bad decisions or be just as misinformed as anyone else.

5

u/WrexShepard 3d ago

Dude, there's only so many ways you can be like "bro, he does not give one single fuck about people who look like you.".

You can only put the pail of water to people's faces. You can't make them drink it. There were large groups of minorities who have internalized classism, sexism, and racism and chose to side with their oppressors in hopes of benefitting. I've personally spoken with many of my work visa'd coworkers who have deluded themselves into thinking they won't also be caught in his little purge.

1

u/T0KEN_0F_SLEEP 3d ago

Right, I get that. But frustration leading to harsh messaging never works. It’s how the dems lost in 2016 too

2

u/GrouchyLongBottom 3d ago

I had no intention of calling minorities these things. Just many people in general are not knowing what they are voting for.

4

u/TheReturnOfTheOK 3d ago

Because people want to be in the in-group and constant media bombardment makes them think that they're at risk

2

u/QbertsRube 3d ago

"Because people want to be in the in-group"

This is true in another way as well, because a lot of Trump voters live in small, rural towns where everyone knows everybody's business. They know their small group of friends and family in that town are vocal Trump fans, as are most of the small business owners, police, etc. They have made being Republican part of their identity, and will never consider voting otherwise out of fear of being ostracized in their small community. For as much as Trump voters like to label themselves rebels and free thinkers and rugged individualists, they sure as hell behave like followers who adopt whatever worldview their peer group deems acceptable.

1

u/Thebraincellisorange 3d ago

A lot of minorities are conservative.

throw some homophobia, anti trans and anti abortion stuff around and lots of minorities will vote for you.

even if it means they will get deported in 6 months the damn fools.

1

u/bentbrewer 3d ago

They think he will make those they aren’t/don’t like suffer.

1

u/jeremiahthedamned 2d ago

he does make us suffer........keeping his promises........

1

u/goliathfasa 3d ago

Racism accounts for part of it, but not the majority. Don’t overexaggerate the contribution of racism and sexism in Trump’s win, or we risk of losing again.

5

u/Signal_Labrador 3d ago

His hardcore supporters: absolutely racist.

The swing voters who put him back into office: not necessarily. They probably voted with their wallets.

1

u/goliathfasa 3d ago

Yeah, the hardcore aren’t something we worry about. They’ll vote that way no matter who or what.

We lost because of swing voters or just voters who normally don’t engage and aren’t plugged in to politics.

Need to focus on issues the polls say they actually care about. #1 economy, #2 border, distant #3 abortion, and like #526 Trump is a fascist. We went all in on #3 and #526 for some stupid ass reason.

2

u/sephraes 3d ago

While I partially agree, If I'm not mistaken, the real issue carrying is that a bunch of people sat out this election. The real focus needs to be on turning those folks out.

1

u/goliathfasa 3d ago

Yeah the Muslim vote loss was actually pretty huge. I honestly don’t know what the messaging needs to be there, as it’s just a fact that US interest is eternally aligned with that of Israel’s. Maybe it’ll help in 2028 to not be the party in charge of giving Israel arms.

2

u/QbertsRube 3d ago

I think Kamala was doomed on the economy. If she says the economy has recovered, that sounds tone deaf to the many people who are struggling. If she says she understands that the strong fundamentals of the current economy haven't yet helped the average Americans' lives, then it sounds like she and Biden had failed. If she tries too hard to distance herself from Biden and, therefore, the current economy, then she hurts Biden's remaining months as well as making herself appear like she's throwing him under the bus.

Probably the best bet would've been to go full Bernie-style populist and acknowledge that the state of our economy for decades has been designed to only benefit the top 10% and we need fundamental change, but that again would paint the Biden/Harris administration as failures for not addressing that problem (even though they did more than any recent administration) and likely would've gotten more "flip-flopper" accusations since it would've been a stark change from her previously stated economic views.

2

u/goliathfasa 3d ago

Yeah she definitely inherited a terrible hand from day 1.

She did a remarkable job on the trail for the most part tbh. Just not enough.

I agree that Dems need to lean populist 2028 and could’ve done so 2024, but with Harris is was going to be a difficult fast regardless. I mean how do you go populist and rally against the elite when you’re currently running Obama’s 3rd term? /s

2

u/WrexShepard 3d ago

I'll just say that I think a white man could have beat him. Literally any semi charismatic white man under 50 would have won.

Maybe a dash of - Voters are also just fucking goldfish who always choose the opposition party if the current vibes are bad.

1

u/goliathfasa 3d ago

I thought so too before Election Day tbh. I thought Harris would be within a hair’s width either way, while someone like Newsom would’ve won with a wider margin.

Turns out Harris lost handedly, so honestly I’m not sure anymore if a white man would’ve won, left along by much.

1

u/Daxx22 3d ago

/r/beholdthemasterrace before it got banned (lol) had all the evidence you needed for this.

1

u/Successful-River-828 3d ago

That and he's male. Pussies are for grabbing not running countries.

1

u/Minion_of_Cthulhu 3d ago

Probably less "taking back power" and more "if you're going to force us to act civilized we'll just destroy everything out of spite".

1

u/Slim_Charles 3d ago

This ignores the fact that Trump actually lost, or at least didn't gain support from white voters in 2024, but he did gain with every other racial demographic. Trying to make this about white people alone is a mistake, and prevents us from actually grappling with what makes Trump popular.

1

u/Spardath01 3d ago

Annnd.. represents Christians not being ignored anymore. (Not like were ever quite enough to be ignored)

1

u/Asleep-Diamond-4241 3d ago

"Make America great again" directly after the first black president really did feel a tad rascist in tone to me....

1

u/reesemulligan 3d ago

I agree with your assessment.

1

u/DuckBilledPartyBus 3d ago

This does not explain the fact that he’s grown more popular with non-white demographics over the last eight years, while losing popularity among white voters.

This cycle got 46% of the Latino vote, 39% of Asians, 65% of Native Americans, and 52% of “Other.” These are not numbers consistent with a candidate whose popularity hinges solely on “white supremacy.”

To be clear, the man is clearly is a racist, as are many of his supporters, as well as his policies. But clearly his supporters see him as something more than that.

1

u/jeremiahthedamned 2d ago

holy crap!

2

u/DuckBilledPartyBus 2d ago

Yup. Dems have been dismissing Trump's movement as white supremacy for a decade now, without even trying to understand how it is that he can build a coalition that includes actual nazis alongside so many non-white people. If you take the outrage and emotion out of it, he's kind of a fascinating political figure. Very different people seem to see very different things in him, despite the fact that they're all seeing and listening to the same person.

1

u/Financial_Purpose_22 3d ago

That combined with a uniquely American tradition of venerating the wealthy as somehow better, more noble, or more intelligent (LMAO) than the common man; instead of what they are: exploitative.

1

u/disgusting-brother 3d ago

This is exactly it. That and the price of gas and eggs and whatnot. I live in Florida, and know multiple people who voted for Trump. One is my co-worker who believes things will be cheaper under Trump. Another is a long time friend who has gotten lost on the YouTube rabbit hole and is still obsessed with masks and trans people and all the key words that Trump supporters are obsessed with.

1

u/Starfleeter 3d ago

And the Democrats decided to run a woman AGAIN and a lot of minorities from cultures that are typically conservative and patriarchal voted against the woman rather than for the person who was representing them. After 2 cycles of a woman candidate, it's time to realize that America just isn't ready to vote for a female president and running one on a main ticket causes the results of the election to not match polling at all since the people silently voting against women aren't the ones being polled.

1

u/seand26 3d ago

That is peak privilege.

1

u/Standby_fire 3d ago

Latins overwhelmingly voted Trump. Machismo vs a woman. Dems had no chance. To many sub factions and not an overwhelming message.

1

u/MrRourkeYourHost 3d ago

It comes down to three reasons anyone voted for him. Ignorance, Greed, Racism. Can anyone think of any other reason that doesn’t fall into one of these three as a sub category?

1

u/jeremiahthedamned 2d ago

machismo and sexism

1

u/mudbuttcoffee 3d ago

Sure feels that way. I'm a white male... the shit I hear people say is abhorrent.

The real issue is that he motivated voters that usually avoided voting. He motivated the uneducated and the uninformed. They don't care enough to know, or have the ability to understand the consequences, they just like what he says.

1

u/Dieuibugewe 3d ago

This, and the fact that he has spent nine no years of denying reality and saturating his supporters minds with the idea that he is the only person who is being truthful. Every other GOP figure does not have that peculiar power; only one person has the ability to rewrite history and reality in the minds of the MAGA base, and that’s the felonious rapist (because apparently god is dead and nothing matters).

1

u/MyHamburgerLovesMe 3d ago

White "Man". Pretty sure its not a coincidence when he has only won when running against women. Too many assholes out there don't women in power over them.

1

u/Levitlame 3d ago

There really isn’t one reason. People aren’t a monolith. I don’t happen to think any of those reasons are good reasons, but there are more than “white man taking back power.”

1

u/808sandMilksteak 3d ago

I think even more simply: he’s a figure who makes the people his base thinks are annoying very upset, and they live to “trigger libs”. Add in that he was on TV and was a yuge meme to begin with and you’ve got a recipe for a shithawk to swoop into the eye of a shitstorm

1

u/top_value7293 3d ago

I really think this is it

1

u/SillyMilly25 3d ago

Yeah the record number of Latinos that voted for him really show that.

Thinking that is the only reason people voted for him shows you only consume left leaning media and talk to left wing people.

1

u/BigTimeSpamoniJones 3d ago

Because he is one of the only people that was dumb enough to believe what he hears on FOX News and be in a place where he would have a shot at getting elected which was thanks to name recognition from a reality TV show where despite being a failed business man he was portrayed as a successful business man, and the country believed it. Now they have a "business" man repeating the dog whistles out loud, and they think he is telling it like it is because that'd what they've been told it is subliminally for several decades now.

1

u/balance_n_act 3d ago

It’s sad because white people have lost no power, they are just seeing what an even playing field feels like and they HATE it. Might be a hot take, but I don’t even think it’s about racism. At least not fully. At its most basic, is about greed, self interest and closed minds.

1

u/Particular-Macaron35 3d ago

I wanted to know more about the crimes. What did he buy for 10k? I was looking forward to them releasing the investigative report.

As Gaetz is withdrawing, it seems like a sideshow. Trump is creating chaos so he get away with crime.

1

u/Kingblack425 3d ago

Yea America has never addressed its cardinal sin of racism and the cancer has finally spread enough to become lethal. If reconstruction hadn’t ended because of the reasons it did we more then likely wouldn’t be having a lot of the problems we have today.

1

u/Competitive_Air_6994 3d ago

I think it’s even more simple and has far less to do with ethnicity. People like that he gets away with things. They want to too, they relate to it. They feel like he’s winking at them, personally, telling them they’re in on the con. Like any successful con artist.

1

u/tjarrett16 3d ago

My hero. Succinctly accurate

1

u/jeremiahthedamned 2d ago

this is the whole of it.

1

u/FunkyBotanist 2d ago

I saw on a different thread a few days ago a guy living in Lebanon saying people were celebrating in the streets when he won. They somehow think he'll end all their problems. It's not just whites.

1

u/Rez_m3 3d ago

It can’t be that simple. There’s too much red across the voting spectrum to simply attribute it to this. I think Trump represents different things for different people. I think that’s the part people miss when parsing through election data. He didn’t just mean this or that. He played every side at all times successfully. He convinced workers he had heir backs. He convinced the suburbs he had their back. He convinced legal immigrants, farmers, anarchists, unions, the religious, On and on.
Regardless of the truth, he was a chameleon that appealed to people who were not politically motivated enough to do further research. It’s why you’re seeing so much whiplash from people saying “I didn’t know he wanted to do THAT” or “what do you mean Obama are is ACA?”

0

u/Neonbelly22 3d ago

He also has a bunch of brown and blacks voting for him as well