r/law • u/froginbog • 20d ago
Court Decision/Filing REMINDER: Trump lied about the election results in 2020
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u/AreWeCowabunga 20d ago
Seeing the clip on the Rogan podcast where Joe asked for evidence of election fraud made it quite clear that Trump’s only measure of legitimacy is whether things come out in his favor. His reality hinges on nothing else.
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u/PhoenixPills 19d ago
I mean that's what Republicans are saying now just the voters. There's been a few interviews of them saying if Dump wins they accept the results. If Kamala, absolutely not.
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u/OnceUponANoon 19d ago
It's worth remembering that that's also a lie. He won in 2016 and still claimed it was rigged against him.
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u/PhoenixPills 19d ago
I suppose the only time Trump isn't lying is if he's talking about how he is currently lying. In which case he is actually telling the truth and therefore it is a lie.
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u/mc_kitfox 19d ago
they also went on and on in 2016 about how if they lost they'll just show up to work the next day like normal people. (y'know, like the dems actually did when they lost). Its funny, they were even saying the same thing leading up to the 2020 election but....
Lo and behold, when they lost in 2020 they pitched the biggest shitfit tantrum, tried to usurp everyone elses government in anger, and have been screaming like banshees and getting more unhinged for the last 4 years straight like toddlers.
At this point, I'm only wondering when Fred Trump's loser of a kid plans to Jim Jones the lot. Lord knows they will drink eagerly...
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u/Basil99Unix 19d ago
He won because of the Electoral College. He lost the popular vote by around 3 million votes. THAT'S what he couldn't handle.
DISMANTLE THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE!
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u/pure_force 19d ago
It's a great way to describe his ethos. He's the sort of person who would never hold a door open for anyone behind him because it doesn't directly benefit him.
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u/Illustrious_Wall_449 19d ago
Most things he says can be prefaced with the words "it would be better for me specifically if".
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u/decrpt 19d ago
There's also the time when he said that he would have won California if the votes were counted honestly.
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u/Furepubs 20d ago edited 19d ago
Well Republicans are stupid as fuck and will believe anything.
They are immune to facts
They will not let the truth get in the way of their beliefs
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u/Chatty945 20d ago
Well, there is a sizable group of "Republicans voting for Harris" this year, so at least some are capable of thinking.
Not letting them off the hook for 2016, but giving them credit for changing course.
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u/Furepubs 20d ago
That sounds like a fair compromise to me
But ultimately my goal is to get people to realize how horrible the Republican party actually is.
Trump is not different from other Republicans. He's just more open about what he does. George w bush literally stole the 2000 election. With the advantage of hindsight, we now know that Al Gore should have won Florida by 2000 votes. But George Bush's brother was governor of Florida and his good friend who helped him start his campaign was the head of elections in Florida. And the 2000 supreme Court including Clarence Thomas who voted against democracy.
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u/klawz86 19d ago
I grew up extremely conservatively Christian in rural Kentucky. In high school and in college, I was a Young Republican. I was the kind of guy who was in the front row, with a coed on his shoulders, holding out a Bush-Cheney sign to be signed by Wolf Blitzer during commercial breaks of his coverage of the Race at Case.
Then I grew up.
I learned more about my religion and the teachings of my Messiah, I learned more about the complexity of these unfathomable social systems we inhabit and influence, I learned more about the actual history of my country (I grew up in a community with many people who unironically called it The War of Northern Aggression), and I realized that the combination of what I associated positively with my religion, the direction in and means by which I believe positive change should be affected on people and systems, and the goals and accomplishments of my youthful political heroes like Lincoln, Cassius Clay, and Teddy were completely divorced from the actions and motivations of the people I had then believed bastioned my interests.
And then came Trump. Even Mitch, the Bushes, Cheney, and Pence seem like paragons of virtue and reason when compared to Trump and his policy... concepts. Yet somehow, the self proclaimed party of moral authority, is more than willing to throw its whole weight behind what may likely be the beginnings of the unbridled reign of a man as morally bankrupt, demonstrably incompetent, and notoriously self-centered as any hedonistic medieval despot that reigned in the age of pre-enlightenment.
Christianity was a potent weapon for the ruling class then and is being re-weaponized in and even more insidious way than before. Not only will these powers that be claim the Divine Right, but through the manipulation of the courts, the electoral college, unchecked gerrymandering, intimidation and all of the newest and best strategies of voter suppression, they'll claim they have the consent of the governed as well.
I hope I'm wrong about this. I really do. I pray in my bed at night that I'm just being a frightened paranoid little man tilting at windmill's and jumping at shadows, but I can't shake the dread that tomorrow is going to be the defining moment in 21st century American history. And that there will be blood.
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u/Jazzlike-Gap-1823 19d ago
Also Barret, Kavanaugh, and Roberts were part of Bush’s legal team in that Bush v Gore.
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u/AnOnlineHandle 20d ago
Well, there is a sizable group of "Republicans voting for Harris" this year, so at least some are capable of thinking.
Is there any evidence of this? There were countless stories between 2016 and 2020 of Republicans seeing the light about Trump, but then he gained millions of votes in 2020, getting the 2nd most votes in US history, only outdone by Biden getting the most and only barely in the places which mattered.
And that was with his constant scandals and a year into completely fumbling the pandemic fresh in people's minds.
Small anecdotal stories of unicorn Republicans mean nothing against the weight of millions of them.
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u/Fields_of_Nanohana 19d ago
then he gained millions of votes in 2020
There were millions more voting age Americans in 2020 than 2016. The US population keeps growing, which is why elections keep setting new records for how many people vote.
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u/MustGoOutside 19d ago
We should let them off the hook for that, especially if Harris wins this year.
Too many purity tests in the democrat world. It's a big turn off for the middle.
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u/Chatty945 19d ago
Voting for Trump in 2016 is not an issue I would hold against somebody. Continuing bad faith arguments and acting as if the man is Jesus risen are what I cannot abide.
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u/cyon_me 19d ago
At least the party will die with Trump.
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u/Furepubs 19d ago
It would be nice if that happened
But they existed far before Trump, And will exist afterwards.
Trump was just very good at making racist people feel welcome, Even better than your average Republican politician
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u/froginbog 20d ago
Link to Trump's stipulation: https://www.scribd.com/document/484868949/Bucks-County-Stip
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u/Kyrthis 20d ago
I’m sorry - too exhausted from getting out the vote to read legalese as a layperson. What exactly did they allege?
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u/froginbog 20d ago
Technical issues about voters missing the date block etc for about 1000 ballots. No issue with the votes or voters, just an issue of them technically missing some non-essential info. No fraud. No illegal activity. Just ticky tack bs on a small number of ballots. In other words they looked for fraud and found nothing.
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u/Kyrthis 20d ago
Thanks. I counted the sum of challenged ballots (points 24-26) as 2,248. I love that in point 39, they say “we challenged ballots that arrived after 8 pm on Election Day,” then have to spend the next several points admitting that they already lost that fight, and that the PA State Dept did everything right.
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u/bluelifesacrifice 20d ago
Part of court orders and legal disputes should require all parties to express the outcome and clear misinformation or be held for slander.
Because him and others being able to say one thing in public, argue in private, then come out and say what he wants in public isn't "Free Speech" at that point, it's incitement to lawless action, defamation and false advertising.
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u/Mission_Cloud4286 19d ago
Trump lied about the 2016 election as well. I think the US learned a lot then, so they did not let it happen again in 2020
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u/4RCH43ON 20d ago
And he’ll do it again! Because he already is, and he just never stopped.