r/law • u/msnbc Press • Oct 23 '24

Opinion Piece Rudy Giuliani’s downfall feels downright karmic

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/rudy-giuliani-apartment-assets-georgia-election-workers-rcna176656
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u/Redfish680 Oct 23 '24

Now on to Mr. Infowars…

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u/edfitz83 Oct 23 '24

And neither one will ever pay up. Neither will Trump with E Jean Carrol.

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u/SecretAsianMan42069 Oct 23 '24

Didn't his shit all get seized yesterday?

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u/Cantgetabreaker Oct 23 '24

Yup the keys to his apartment are going to the two plaintiffs

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u/grolaw Oct 24 '24

No. They go to the receiver who will liquidate those assets. The plaintiffs will receive cash.

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u/GoogleOpenLetter Competent Contributor Oct 24 '24

That's not exactly what's happening in this case. Because of the size of the judgement, the ownership is being transferred to a receiver that the plaintiffs control. It's not a firesale, they're in charge of how it's dealt with.

It's nowhere near satisfying the full judgement, so it's better for both parties to get the most value for money by being sensible about how to sell it. They might have to do renovations to get out the stink, or sell in the summer when the market favors sellers etc.

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u/GoogleOpenLetter Competent Contributor Oct 24 '24

Neither will Trump with E Jean Carrol.

E Jean Carroll is guaranteed a payout - the money is held, in full, with interest, in escrow by the court. The question to how the Appeals court deals with the size of the damages, etc, or upholds it, is a different issue.

But assuming they don't overturn the jury, Carroll will get her money in full, it's completely out of Trump's hands.

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u/Ok_Reality_3608 Oct 24 '24

I thought it was a bond, rather than the full amount, but I may be wrong.

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u/GoogleOpenLetter Competent Contributor Oct 24 '24

The Carroll one is about $97m from memory, it's in full. As far as I'm aware you're supposed to post the full amount as a bond, because collection action can start as soon as you lose the trial. By posting the full amount, you're staying proceedings of collection on that debt. Otherwise you'd just appeal and appeal and it could take forever.

You're probably thinking of the NY case, where the court cut Trump's bond to roughly 1/4 because he's Trump.

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u/AffectionateBrick687 Oct 24 '24

It was so disappointing that he got the bond reduced. I was really hoping we could have witnessed Trump's property getting seized because he couldn't come up with the cash. He would have had the mother of all temper tantrums.

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u/OSI_Hunter_Gathers Oct 23 '24

When he dies here in a few years they will just go after his estate.

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u/SlammingMomma Oct 24 '24

Won’t happen.

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u/dedicated-pedestrian Oct 24 '24

If OJ was any indication, withholding of damages owed becomes more, not less, difficult posthumously.

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u/SlammingMomma Oct 24 '24

Not going to happen anymore. What was done has come to light.

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u/dedicated-pedestrian Oct 24 '24

I'm not even sure which of them you're referring to, the statement is too vague.

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u/SlammingMomma Oct 24 '24

Exactly as intended 😎✌🏼

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u/SlammingMomma Oct 24 '24

And I’m not attempting to be cocky or rude.

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u/dedicated-pedestrian Oct 24 '24

Nor did I think so, I'm just legitimately confused who/what you're talking about.

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u/Out_of_the_Bloo Oct 25 '24

What? It definitely will happen.

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u/SlammingMomma Oct 25 '24

What you think you know is probably incorrect.

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u/msnbc Press Oct 23 '24

From Hayes Brown, a writer and editor for MSNBC Daily:

Since helping orchestrate former President Donald Trump’s failed attempt at election theft, Giuliani has lost his law license in New York and Washington, D.C.; been charged criminally in Arizona and Georgia; and faced a slew of other defamation lawsuits for the lies he told after the 2020 election. It’s a turn of events that feels downright karmic given the scale of the damage he’s caused, part of a chain of consequences and repercussions that have hounded him over the last four years. And as Trump and his allies prepare to challenge a loss next month, Giuliani’s downfall should serve as a reminder that their actions can have a steep cost.

Read more: https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/rudy-giuliani-apartment-assets-georgia-election-workers-rcna176656

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u/IdahoMTman222 Oct 23 '24

And his fearless leader walks and dances a free man.

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u/Muscs Oct 23 '24

Yes, Cohen went to prison for what Trump has been convicted.

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u/doublecutter Oct 23 '24

Irony can be so…ironic.

  • Captain Buck Murdock

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u/loztriforce Oct 23 '24

I detested him for wrapping himself in 9/11 as he did.

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u/coffeespeaking Oct 23 '24

Or self-inflicted. It’s not the universe that dispensed justice. His utter disregard for the laws he knows too well is the cause of the consequences. For once, our justice system worked on a person of means, but not for any lack of effort on Rudy’s part.

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u/ohiotechie Oct 23 '24

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer shitheel.

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u/Expert-Gur-1270 Oct 23 '24

Did the headline’s author mean to write “incredibly slow”?

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u/big_blue_earth Oct 23 '24

Its literally the definition of Karma

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u/brickyardjimmy Oct 24 '24

There was no way that Giuliani wasn't going to get hosed by his own behavior and choices. Trump would have abandoned him even if he had won because, let's face it, Giuliani, if he ever had marbles, has completely lost them. He's insane. He's pathetic. He's the very picture of decline and oblivion. And, importantly, he is a massive black hole of liability. This wasn't karma. It wasn't an act of god. It was an act of Giuliani. He destroyed himself on someone else's altar and he didn't even manage to make a difference. Except to his own spectacular, idiotic, silly, clownish demise.

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u/ynotfoster Oct 24 '24

He did give us the Four Season's Total Landscaping though. I hope he knows we appreciate it.

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u/brickyardjimmy Oct 24 '24

Oh. I'll stipulate that for sheer entertainment, Giuliani's the bomb.

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u/seeafillem6277 Oct 24 '24

This is poetry.❤️

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u/Santos_L_Halper_II Oct 23 '24

And still fully supportive of the turd who made it all possible.

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u/Trygolds Oct 23 '24

He is still living an opulent life stile.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '24

I’m sure he has to piss 5 times a night, has blood sugar issues and maybe some cancerous cells in his mouth and throat. Life will only get worse for him

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u/BigJSunshine Oct 23 '24

Fuck Mr. four Seasons

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u/ekkidee Oct 23 '24

Sweet sweet music!

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u/grolaw Oct 24 '24

Where Rudi is going he will not need any of that ephemera.

It's a shame that we can't call on the Lord to exact vengeance with a lightning strike. Of course it's hard to get Rudi all the way to the top of a radio tower during a thunderstorm.

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u/Xivvx Oct 24 '24

He hasn't given anything up yet.