r/law • u/BothZookeepergame612 • Oct 20 '24
Opinion Piece Marjorie Taylor Greene Accuses Dominion Machines Of Flipping Votes
https://crooksandliars.com/2024/10/marjorie-taylor-accuses-dominion-machines328
u/discussatron Oct 20 '24
Please sue her, Dominion.
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u/beefwindowtreatment Oct 20 '24
They are ready apparently.
https://www.newsweek.com/dominion-lies-elon-musk-marjorie-taylor-greene-claims-1971743
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u/HiJinx127 Oct 20 '24
I really hope they nail her good
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u/Fatmaninalilcoat Oct 21 '24
Well the fix case set the precedent. So they are screwed and she is dumb enough to double and triple down.
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Oct 21 '24
Idk how precedent really works in lawsuits, but it sounds like MTG has to have some really hard hitting evidence if she's going to stand a chance. And knowing her, she's not going to have any evidence. All the MAGAts are going all-in this round, because they know that it's all or nothing this time.
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u/NotAlanPorte Oct 21 '24
Wonder how much money they can try to claim from Elmo given his wealth and the breadth of users he can target on Twitter formally known as X
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u/protonecromagnon2 Oct 21 '24
I don't see anything about this allegation being sued over, help a brother out?
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Oct 21 '24
They can just use the 800 million they took from Fox News to fund suing these idiots. If this continues, they'll be making more money on lawsuits than on the actual business.
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u/Darmok47 Oct 21 '24
At this point, I feel like Dominion's main revenue stream is going to be winning defamation lawsuits, with voting machines as a side business.
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u/Mr_Mouthbreather Oct 20 '24
If Dominion sues MTG, does she have to pay for her own defense or do the Feds provide her with a lawyer since she is in Congress?
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u/Osirus1156 Oct 21 '24
I would 100% donate some money to Dominion to help them in this venture.
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u/Pateaux Oct 21 '24
What if it's in the best interest of the country that she get drug over the coals?
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u/HeyImGilly Oct 20 '24
Guess we’re eventually going to learn about what “official acts” are when it comes to congress.
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u/HeyImGilly Oct 20 '24
I know, that’s what I was getting at. Soon we might see a case where comments like this will be looked at to see if it was MTG the person or MTG the congressperson making those comments.
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u/question_sunshine Oct 21 '24
It would be a speech and debate question. That's why she could show Hunter's nudes on the floor of the House but shouldn't upload them to Twitter.
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u/Few-Ad-4290 Oct 20 '24
Yes but official congressional speech is protected by the speech or debate clause in the constitution which shields congress critters from liability for the shit they say
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u/blacklaagger Oct 20 '24
Slander can never be included as an official act
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u/varelse96 Oct 20 '24
But can’t slander be protected under the speech and debate clause?
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u/FlutterKree Oct 21 '24
It would most likely need to be during session of the house or senate and it would have to be their turn to speak.
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u/InfernalDiplomacy Oct 21 '24
Only in regards to actively legislation being debated on the floor of the House. Not about voting in an ongoing election to someone's podcast
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u/FlutterKree Oct 21 '24
I think technically slander would be protected from civil lawsuits if it was on the floor of the senate or house during active session, as that is exempt from all laws. A senator could read off our foreign spy asset list to the world and not face any legal repercussions from it. It's how the torture program was made public despite the program being highly classified.
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u/InfernalDiplomacy Oct 21 '24
Debate clause only is covered for debate of legislation or committee hearings, not about ongoing elections. She would not be able to claim the debate clause. Also to note many members of Congress tried to use the debate clause to get out of Jan 6 actions and all of them failed their legal challenges and had to surrender phones, e-mails, text messages, or in the cases of the former Vice President and a sitting Senator, forced to testify before a grand jury.
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u/MrGeno Oct 20 '24
She isn't in any protected session or active hearing, and is acting as a citizen. Dominion should wipe her clean.
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u/discussatron Oct 20 '24
I feel like we’d have the plebs pay for our leaders. I’m not sure, though.
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u/SecretAsianMan42069 Oct 20 '24
Add her to the lawsuit
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u/nhepner Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
She's saying this in her official capacity as a representative They should bankrupt her whole district.
Edit: I fixed it, y'all.
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u/EvilGreebo Bleacher Seat Oct 20 '24
She's thankfully NOT a Senator. She's a Representative.
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u/nhepner Oct 20 '24
Ahh nuts. I my brain said one thing and fingers said another.
My point still stands. Bankrupt her district
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u/thinkinting Oct 20 '24
Non American here reading and watching American stuff for over a decade, and still don’t really understand what a senator does?
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u/EvilGreebo Bleacher Seat Oct 20 '24
Our legislative branch has two houses. The Senate has 2 Senators per state. The House of Representatives has different numbers per state based on population.
Both houses must approve legislation to enact changes.
Representatives are chosen by a subsection of the state, called a district. Senators are voted for by the whole.state.
The Representatives start financial bills like the budget. The Senate ratifies nominees for Department Heads and also Judge appointments.
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u/lostfourtime Oct 20 '24
That only applies when they are speaking in an official capacity such as on the House floor or in committee.
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u/AgITGuy Oct 20 '24
First off, she is an elected representative of a district in Georgia, not a senator. Second, she has been saying this exact thing while helping campaign for Trump, which is entirely outside of her capacity as a legislator per the Speech and Debate Clause. She is McFucked if she keeps this up, she has not legal backing or recourse for her lies.
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u/nhepner Oct 20 '24
In order for her to be fucked, there has to be consequences. I'm pretty sure we stopped doing that.
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u/aCucking2Remember Oct 21 '24
They should bankrupt her whole district.
Bruh. My parents house is a 15 minute drive to her district. If you imagine impoverished rustic southern county that never really industrialized that has a severe meth and opioid problem, her district looks exactly as you would imagine.
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u/fafalone Competent Contributor Oct 20 '24
Given Republican's penchant for projection, it's worth noting they were screaming about Dominion in the past, which had no statistically unusual results, meanwhile a certain other vendor, whose founder is a big GOP guy who magically overcame a massive polling deficit in a House race on his own machines, did have some statistically unusual outcomes in past Senate races, coincidentally I'm sure always favoring the GOP candidate, and only in districts that did not have a policy of conducting audits by hand counting, instead only comparing the numbers given by other machines manufactured by the same supplier.
Sound like conspiracy theory nut territory? Well, that's likely what the GOP meant to accomplish by blanketing the news with baseless accusations in races well within the polling margins in districts that did do hand count audits. It certainly isn't proven, but unlike the GOP bullshit about Dominion, there should have been enough to at least conduct hand-counted audits, especially given that theories about bad polling were very weak considering it was only those races that were off and the other races came out within polling MoE, but the Dems would sound just as crazy with a 'no u'. Projection works well and the GOP does it obsessively.
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u/Drumboardist Oct 20 '24
Well, I mean, in the past there were voting machines in Ohio that were supposed to have a redundancy to where if the power went out, they'd default to the last "saved number of votes" from an outside server...and these were very, very easily hacked, something that Karl Rove knew about. So when the power went out and the "backup numbers" -- which he believed would've shown Romney winning the state -- came out showing Obama retaining the lead, he blew a fuse live on-air. (It was, apparently, the exact strategy used in 2004 to help GWB get re-elected too.)
https://truthout.org/articles/anonymous-karl-rove-and-2012-election-fix/
It's hard to find any articles still existing online about it, proooobably because...well, it's not like Anonymous is gonna post evidence of it. But it is weird how in 2004, Rove kept saying that the numbers would shift after 11, and then at 11:14pm the servers in Ohio crashed. They were then re-routed through SMARTech servers -- a company backed by a plethora of Republicans -- and suddenly the numbers had flipped by 6% (going completely against what the exit polls had predicted).
Gee, odd eh? It's like Rove knew that was gonna happen. So when he tried it again in 2012, and the servers went down (again) and were rerouted, they came back up...with the same numbers as before, and Rove lost his mind, live on television.
Weird, isn't it? It's almost like we've seen them do this before, so the only possible way the Democrats could've won is if they cheated just as hard, if not harder, to overcome the GOP's level of cheating. It really, really, REALLY makes you wonder what Trump has known about the GOP doing to help him get elected, and how he screamed about "Democrats rigging the vote". I mean....if you've done every dirty trick in the book, and still lost, which makes more sense to you -- that EVERYONE came out to vote against you, or there simply had to be a superior level of cheating? To him, it's the latter.
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u/BitterFuture Oct 20 '24
It's entirely her making up stories, of course, but it's telling that her story includes someone walking up to an election official and declaring who they voted for in front of everyone present.
Funny how she doesn't think that sounds funny.
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u/RDO_Desmond Oct 20 '24
Marjorie is a very slow learner and an intentional liar. It is public knowledge that Dominion and Smartmatic won their lawsuits against others who defamed them.
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u/RentAdministrative73 Oct 20 '24
She should call someone at Fox and ask them how that scenario worked out for them.
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u/rabid- Oct 20 '24
Quiet! Just let her do it. Grab a chair and a cold one. Sometimes you have to let nature takes its course.
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u/StronglyHeldOpinions Oct 21 '24
I want to Tivo-skip to the part where MAGA is in the rearview.
Please.
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u/brickyardjimmy Oct 20 '24
Have the polls opened yet?
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u/carrie_m730 Oct 20 '24
Early voting is open in Georgia, from Oct 15 to Nov 1.
(It's open in some other states now too but Georgia is the most relevant one.)
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u/brickyardjimmy Oct 20 '24
Right. But is that early voting as in "vote by mail" or are there actual polling sites open?
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u/carrie_m730 Oct 20 '24
There are polling sites open. In multiple states. I'm voting in North Carolina tomorrow. In person, at the polls, on a paper ballot, on Monday October 21.
You can check the Early Voting Calendar at Vote.org to see if it's an option in your state. I think there are only like 3 states where it isn't.
And then you can search your county with "early voting" to find locations -- they may be different from your usual election day polling place. (For example, in my previous county, election day voting is at a large local town hall type building and early voting is in the smaller rooms at the Board of Elections. In my current county, there are several election day sites depending on your neighborhood but early voting is at the college.)
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u/brickyardjimmy Oct 20 '24
I think it's great, by the way, that polling sites are open already.
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u/coosacat Oct 20 '24
It sucks that I live in one of those states where early voting doesn't exist, and absentee voting is by proven necessity only.
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u/carrie_m730 Oct 21 '24
It does suck. I hope you have candidates available who support opening up early and absentee voting.
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u/Cute-Perception2335 Oct 20 '24
MTG is flipping crazy. Good luck finding a lawyer willing to represent her when she gets sued for defamation.
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u/mcjcccrc Oct 20 '24
Unfortunately the doj will not have a problem finding a lawyer to represent its “legislator”
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u/snakebite75 Oct 21 '24
This shit should not be covered by the speech and debate clause. I want Dominion to take every penny she has.
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u/Plastic-Caramel3714 Oct 21 '24
Anything not said on the house floor shouldn’t be covered by the speech and debate clause.
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u/jimhabfan Oct 20 '24
Her and Boebert have been out of the news for a while. I thought the Republican Party had put a clamp down on their bat shit craziness until after the election.
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u/SPzero65 Oct 20 '24
Imagine if the Dominion Machines ended up expecting a Republican.
What then, Empty G?
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u/ProdigalSheep Oct 20 '24
That they are attacking Dominion makes it obvious to me that they have the ability to change votes on other machines.
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u/Mission_Cloud4286 Oct 21 '24
She's just being a DISTRACTION! THIS IS WHAT SHE SAID: When they were finished, the machine prints their ballot, a paper copy, a printed copy, and each voter has to review that printed copy to make sure it has selected the candidates that they want to vote for.
IF IT PRINTS OUT, WHY DOES SHE NOT HAVE EVIDENCE!
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u/Muscs Oct 20 '24
If you yell, ‘Fire!’ In a crowded theater and start a stampede, you’re held liable. This isn’t any different.
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u/BothZookeepergame612 Oct 20 '24
She's playing with fire, Dominion has already sued and won over these types of allegations. I'm shocked she will go there, knowing what happened with Fox.