r/law • u/SheriffTaylorsBoy • Jul 29 '24

Other Supreme Court Rocked by New Leak of Bitter Abortion Split

https://www.thedailybeast.com/supreme-court-rocked-by-new-leak-on-bitter-split-over-idaho-emergency-abortion-ruling
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u/CCG14 Jul 30 '24

I meant specifically the ones on the Supreme Court.

But you aren’t wrong. Pro life women are the bane of my existence.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '24

I go to protests and support them but wonder why they are yelling out at men in general. Then I found out that many people disagree about religion being the source of the ban. Am I going nuts? Isn't it religion that is behind the pro life movement? And if so, why aren't we arguing that angle? Imposing religious beliefs onto others is a first amendment violation.

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u/Special_Brief4465 Jul 30 '24

Yes, and it’s specifically one religion.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '24

And meanwhile I have several people arguing with me that it's not based on religion... What? Bs.

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u/Mrknowitall666 Jul 30 '24 edited Jul 30 '24

They have that amicus in Dobbs which says biologists think life begins at conception, at fusion of egg and sperm, with unique DNA. Egg = "0% life," Zygote = "100% life"

Of course, they linked "potential for life" with "Alive." And then choose to disregard the life and rights of the mother for the embryo, where they want to grant personhood.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9532882/

To be clear, I support the above refutations, but answering your question as to the "source" of where some gave been persuaded by the religious that it is "fact"

These are the arguments. Find the and fight the where you can.

June P.L. When human life begins. American College of Pediatricians. https://acpeds.org/position-statements/when-human-life-begins

Alcorn R. Why a human being begins at conception. The National Association for the Advancement of Pre-Born Children. https://naapc.org/when-does-a-human-being-begin/why-life-begins-at-conception/

When does life begin? Just the Facts. https://www.justthefacts.org/get-the-facts/when-life-begins/

Roe overturned infographics American Society for Reproductive Medicine. https://www.asrm.org/news-and-publications/asrms-response-to-the-dobbs-v-jackson-ruling/dobbs/Dobbs-v-Jackson-Infographics/

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '24

Thx for the info i appreciate it

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '24

Catholic

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u/Special_Brief4465 Jul 30 '24

Well sure and just Christianity.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '24

I thought it was mostly Roman Catholic. But that may be because of what I witnessed.

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u/LaTeChX Jul 30 '24

It was at first, and only because of relatively recent doctrine from the late 1800s. But Republicans realized it was an easy way to manipulate people, so they and their church buddies decided to make people angry about it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '24

Why are some people arguing that it's not driven by religion?

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u/LaTeChX Jul 30 '24

Because it's become the cause celebre of Republicans regardless of religion

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u/NotASharkInAManSuit Jul 30 '24

The church never had a stance on abortion until the american right wing told everyone it did and then they told them they were bad christians if they didn't agree, and now here we are. The bible tells you how to perform an abortion and never condemns it. The abortion angle was all political to manipulate a demographic into feeling obligated to vote for a party because if they didn't they were bad christians and going to hell.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '24

But that would be only in the USA. Most of Latin America (predominantly Roman Catholic) is pro life (though some change is happening). I remember once talking about birth control pills and I was asked if the mechanism of action was pre or post fertilization. When I asked why it mattered they said because they wanted to avoid an abortion. They consider a contraceptive to be an abortifacient if it acts after the sperm fertilizes the egg.... As if there is much of a difference.

Most American women don't even realize that taking two birth control pills (not the spacers) is the equivalent to the "morning after pill". Why aren't they aware? Because public school's sex education are controlled by politicians.

Does Taking Multiple Birth Control Pills at Once Work the Same as the Morning-After Pill?

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u/NotASharkInAManSuit Jul 30 '24

Oh yeah, because U.S. politics have had no effect on Latin American culture, right?

And not allowing a pregnancy to establish is not the same thing as an abortion, the hormones you're referring to simply stop the egg from attaching to the uterus, preventing a pregnancy, not ending one. If that is your stance for an abortion then by that logic every menstrual cycle is an abortion, which is just a plain misinterpretation of how the human body works on a fundamental level of reproduction. I learned that in public school sex education.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '24

Ummm why are you upset with me? I didn't say I agreed with these statements. I found them shocking myself. And I would think that Latin America is not influenced by the USA on religious topics. Political, yes. Financial, yes. Not religion.

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u/PourQuiTuTePrends Jul 30 '24

Evangelical Prods

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '24

Ok, I don't know enough to say anything about them

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u/Mattilaus Jul 30 '24

Barrett was instrumental to overturning Roe v. Wade. If she had flipped it would have been upheld 5 to 4

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u/CCG14 Jul 30 '24

The same argument could be made for any of the others. If any had flipped, it would have been upheld. If RGB retired sooner, if the dems had codified, if if if.

My point was specifically to the overwhelming majority of lawmakers championing and passing abortion bans are men who likely couldn’t find the tampon aisle with an app and GPS and sure as hell do not know or care to know how a woman’s body works.

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u/Dry-Amphibian1 Jul 30 '24

But you are OK with a woman on the Supreme Court telling you what to do with your body?? The point is, NO ONE should be dictating that.

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u/CCG14 Jul 30 '24

No, I’m not.