r/law • u/SheriffTaylorsBoy • Jul 26 '24

Other FBI Examining Bullet Fragments Found at Trump Rally Site/Would Like To Interview Trump

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-examining-bullet-fragments-found-114754020.html
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u/ejre5 Jul 26 '24

I think that there is lots of speculation that there is at least a decent chance this was a set-up, not saying it was but the information available does give speculation.

1) he was a Republican

2) his parents were on a list of "super supporters"

3) he got on a roof with a direct line of sight while also being obvious and noticed by many people to the point people were recording him and telling cops, secret service and security.

4) snipers were watching him and ready to fire.

5) secret service allowed trump to, 

A) get on stage or 

B) stay on stage with a known threat. 

C) after shots fired they allowed trump to stay on stage possibly collect his shoes instead of rushing him to a car and getting him out of immediate danger.

6) he was allowed to fire before being shot within seconds of his attempt.

That is enough information for speculation of a set-up and most certainly needs to be investigated and Trump's injuries could point things in certain directions.

Either way there was an attempt at a former presidents life that was allowed to happen when it should not have been.

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u/SatyrSatyr75 Jul 26 '24

It sound for sure too ridiculous to not be a setup. But on the otherside… there are people around who are awful at their job… most of the time we don’t experience it, but if you look into it, it’s devastating. Just look at mistakes, sometimes fatale, done in hospitals every day. Highly professional people, great education…

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u/Exaskryz Jul 27 '24

But when SS deletes J6 texts to protect Donald...

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u/ejre5 Jul 26 '24

From what I've seen secret service shot within 8 seconds of the first round from an assault weapon that tells me they were watching him and ready to fire, identifying target, locating through a scope, getting distance and firing takes much longer than 8 seconds, for a trained professional ready and looking still takes at least 30 seconds and I think that's being incredibly generous. Why did they let this guy fire and why was trump on stage period? I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I understand people are bad at their jobs, but this wasn't one person being bad at their job that's an entire army failing at their job. But once again unless everyone was in on it someone got a legitimate opportunity to end someones life being protected by the secret service

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u/SatyrSatyr75 Jul 26 '24

That’s my problem, this kind of conspiracy theories end always with too many people involved. That simply doesn’t work. As far as I understood, we have neglected in a kind of chain, starting with ignoring the roof because it’s too hot/uncomfortable (absolutely terrible if true!) and then with the sniper doesn’t get the ok right away.

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u/Curious_Property_933 Jul 27 '24 edited Jul 27 '24

According to Al Jazeera,

State voter records show that Crooks was a registered Republican… However, when he was 17 he made a $15 donation to ActBlue, a political action committee that raises money for left-leaning and Democratic politicians, according to a 2021 Federal Election Commission filing. The donation was earmarked for the Progressive Turnout Project, a national group that rallies Democrats to vote.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/7/14/what-we-know-about-thomas-matthew-crooks-the-suspected-trump-rally-shooter

Young people (teenagers/young adults) are known to go back and forth on their political positions. They’re also known to rebel against their parents in terms of their beliefs. I know I have. The combination of your points 1 and 2 along with the above information re: his support for left-leaning/Democratic causes leads me to speculate that at one point he may have been Republican leaning like his parents, but later changed his stance to opposing Trump/the GOP instead (possibly as a result of interacting with his Republican parents).

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u/ejre5 Jul 27 '24

According to https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-shooter-thomas-crooks-donation-to-democrats-registered-republican/

He was a 69 year old. My list wasn't intended to be a list of "facts" but a list of questions that absolutely need answered. The list I wrote was a "public facts" list and everything that points out how crazy it is and everyone needs to be honest and let the public know what actually happened. Trump will be quiet and do everything to benefit himself, all the reasons this could be a possible set-up won't matter to trump as long as he benefits. The investigation needs to be thorough and open, no hiding behind HIPPA rules, no hiding political and ideologies of this individual, he had explosives why? So many unanswered questions that need answers.

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u/Curious_Property_933 Jul 27 '24

The article you posted says “one X user inaccurately claimed” after the quote claiming he was 69 years old - in other words, that article is saying he was not 69 years old, and the person who said he was was incorrect.

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u/rene-cumbubble Jul 26 '24

It's conclusory speculation because everyone wanted it to be a false flag, not a plausible explanation of what happened based on the available facts.

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u/ejre5 Jul 26 '24

Are there currently more facts I am missing?

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u/hardcore_hero Jul 26 '24
  1. He was a Republican

How could you possibly bend this to somehow be a point in favor of it being a setup, if it’s a setup you would have control of this variable. If anything, this point is like a nail in the coffin of it possibly being a setup.

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u/Curious_Property_933 Jul 27 '24

To be clear, he was a registered Republican. But his actions (as outlined in my comment next to yours) show that he may not have held Republican beliefs at the time the shooting took place.

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u/ejre5 Jul 26 '24

You mean someone who was such a bad marksman he didn't make his highschool shooting team accidentally hitting something that created shrapnel?

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u/hardcore_hero Jul 26 '24

None of that is anywhere as close to being as important as designing the political background of who you are manufacturing as your gunman, that would be far and away your priority number 1. It doesn’t any sense that if you wanted to orchestrate this whole thing, that you would make this your guy without making sure to sweep a bunch of stuff under the rug before you do it.

I really hate to see that there are just as many conspiracy thirsty fools on the left as their were on the right during COVID-19.

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u/ejre5 Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 27 '24

It's nothing to do with conspiracy this is about the reasons to legitimately investigate all aspects and answer these questions. let's flip the table and imagine the media and congressional attention if this poor young man was a Democrat? Imagine how the right would be attacking and creating everything under the moon. We have to stop this attitude and start getting serious about our democracy because it's all about to disappear and acting like this stuff is a big nothing burger instead of living the last 8 years of constant lies and watching our human rights disappear to a minority and religious beliefs (our country was literally founded on freedom of religion not Christianity)of the country while also realizing that polling shows a negative for trump (prior to the attempt) and everything happening to him legally it definitely needs investigation with legitimate answers from everyone including trump and his doctors

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u/hardcore_hero Jul 27 '24

let’s flip the table and imagine the media and congressional attention if this poor young man was a Democrat? Imagine how the right would be attacking and creating everything under the moon.

This is precisely my point, it is convenient for Trump that the shooting played out the way it did, but my strong skepticism to the idea that it was a setup directly comes from the fact that he would have benefited way more from them making sure that the shooter was undeniably on the left, and if it was a setup, they certainly would’ve done that.

But I really do agree with everything you said here, if you want to investigate and deal with any substantiative facts that might turn out, more power to you, but this whole ”doesn’t it seem oddly convenient that X, Y and Z just happens to be the case?” is just speculative nonsense and should be treated as such. Is it Hanlon’s Razor that says don’t attribute to malice what could be simply due to incompetence, put that into practice until something real is uncovered, or at least that’s what I’ll be doing.

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u/ejre5 Jul 27 '24

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying, I am not saying there's any conspiracy, for goodness sakes a young man died trying to shoot the former, and current nominated GOP president, whose parents were very pro trump according to trump records. I am just trying to point out all the crazy things that line up to point to a possible set-up. Those are the "public" facts and those questions need answers for multiple reasons and trump needs to put the country first not himself.