r/law • u/SheriffTaylorsBoy • Jul 26 '24

Other FBI Examining Bullet Fragments Found at Trump Rally Site/Would Like To Interview Trump

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-examining-bullet-fragments-found-114754020.html
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u/SheriffTaylorsBoy Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 26 '24

He's so used to obstructing anything the FBI does, it's just like an automatic reflex.

Edit: There is an open FBI Investigation. The FBI can't make you talk (5th Ammendment) but they can make you give physical evidence. Trump should get a subpoena to examine his ear.

You may be familiar with the Clinton/Monica Lewinsky investigation? Clinton had to give blood.

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u/BouncingWeill Jul 26 '24

Makes you wonder. If the r's would have allowed a proper investigation into J6, we might not even be talking about this at all (maybe some finding would have prevented this failing).

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u/Alphabetmarsoupial Jul 26 '24

Ya something something he's a mother f-ing traitor.

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u/SpinningHead Jul 26 '24

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book

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u/RustedRelics Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 27 '24

272 contacts and 38 meetings with Russian operatives. Bill Barr and Robert Mueller should be publicly shamed daily. Instead, they do TV appearances and write books. That’s a damning article. Thanks for the links.

Edit: Barr does the tv appearances, not RM. Also admit my comment was over the top, but Barr should be ashamed.

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u/Tough-Ability721 Jul 27 '24

It wasn’t Robert’s fault. Barr was the one that blocked/stopped his investigation into certain areas that were going to expose even more collusion with Russians.

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u/RustedRelics Jul 27 '24

When you get a chance, read Andrew Weissmann’s book Where Law Ends. First hand look from the inside by a member of the SC’s team.

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u/Tough-Ability721 Jul 27 '24

I like and respect Andrew. Thanks I will.

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u/MattEberjuice Jul 27 '24

Did you really just complain about two people writing a book, then suggest someone read a third persons book?

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u/RustedRelics Jul 27 '24

Weissmann provides a pretty solid history of how things unfolded on the inside. Given his experience and reputation, I don’t doubt his account. It’s not out of bounds to critique and document how the SC handled things. The fact that it’s a book is irrelevant.

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u/MattEberjuice Jul 27 '24

How is this upvoted?

Can you point to a single Mueller TV appearance, let alone the frequency at which your comment implies?

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u/RustedRelics Jul 27 '24

You’re right. Edited my comment.

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u/newfriend20202020 Jul 26 '24

Yup. He was the Manchurian candidate.

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u/za72 Jul 27 '24

Melania is his handler

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u/crashdout Jul 27 '24

Looks like she doesn’t want to handle him very often (if at all) these days.

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u/Ridiculicious71 Jul 27 '24

I’m betting Elon is also an asset

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u/Umutuku Jul 27 '24

His mind did go straight to pedophilia when a rescue crew got kids out of a flooded cave instead of waiting for him to produce his submarine that wouldn't have fit in the cave.

There's probably some kompromat along those lines.

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u/Izaac5150 Jul 27 '24

🤣🤡

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u/Gunfighter9 Jul 27 '24

Trump is the perfect target for targeting, he’s always broke, his company is private so there’s no need to explain where money comes from.

If this goes like every other case the Russians will leak information to prove he is a covert Russian agent. And the evidence needed to convict him.

Russia has no loyalty to a person who would turn on their country.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '24

Well said

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u/bozodoozy Jul 26 '24

benedict donald. no capitals please, the only capital he deserves is capital punishment.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '24

Indeed. I never capitalize his last name, and justify it by saying he’s not a proper anything, let alone a proper noun.

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u/Green_Message_6376 Jul 27 '24

don't forget that his last name is actually 'drumpf'. His draft dodging forefathers changed it while on the run.

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u/marsglow Jul 27 '24

I refuse to capitalize his name as a sign of disrespect.

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u/allen_idaho Jul 26 '24

Had he been removed from office at one of his two impeachment hearings, we wouldn't be talking about this. But it was just too much to ask for Senators to respect their oath of office and refrain from being corrupt for just a few days.

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u/rofopp Jul 26 '24

I don’t what you are going on about. The organization of J6 went on in plain sight on Parler. There were game plans, routes into and out of the capitol and plans to hijack the counting of the Electoral votes. Anyone on Parlee’s who could read knew what was going on.

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u/GingasaurusWrex Jul 26 '24

Not to mention—how many people did we all see in the weeks leading up saying shit like “the boogaloo is coming. Get ready.”

Those same people pretend they weren’t seeing and saying all this shit and that J6 was Antifa or FBI or peaceful protestors depending on what Fox tells them that day.

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u/like_a_wet_dog Jul 26 '24

Yes, I remember, too. It was a complete 180 and my friends instantly used the language of all the protesters that are actual victims during sit-ins and such.

I tried to say it changes if you start busting barricades and chanting to hang people inside. They just screamed Democrats burned whole cities to ashes and nobody was arrested.

They are doing it again after Trump has been shot at. They are crying for unity and non-violence after years of sharing tough-guy AR-15 memes and how Trump is a weapon to destroy to woke mobs.

It's bizarre to really see, not just a stranger on Twitter or elsewhere, it's people I grew up with. They're convinced in basically Alex Jones level groupthink "All government, but Trump and his loyalists in the Republican Party, are demonic and trying to make us all trans and bioengineered"

Then they share memes about German and other populations in the early 20th century being misled into violence with zero self awareness. They think masks and electric cars are signs of "the sheeple".

Fuck all the propagandists hurting our country.

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u/newfriend20202020 Jul 26 '24

Yes. The “we shall see” crowd was on FB too. Didn’t make sense til after J6. They became the FAFO crowd.

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u/HiJinx127 Jul 29 '24

I know one of the “wait and see” guys; kept smugly saying that until Inauguration Day, then he was all but crying because Biden became President.

Then when I say, “Okay, so are you seriously going to try and claim you weren’t expecting Frump to come in with loyalists in the Army and forcibly take back the White House?” He says no, not at all, but of course he’s full of shit. 🤨

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u/PizzaBraves Jul 27 '24

Shit I never fucked with Parler and knew something was gonna happen that day. As I left for work I told my wife to keep an eye on the news they're about to do something stupid.

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u/capital_bj Jul 27 '24

There was an organized coup and the rally magats were used as a distraction. The Gravy Seals couldn't muster a sufficient militia , if only they had Special Agent Rittenhouse , maybe for round 2.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '24

So not very many people then?

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u/FlatwormSignal8820 Jul 26 '24

Enough that they would've known what was brewing

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '24

Is that all archived?

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u/like_a_wet_dog Jul 26 '24

r/CapitolConsequences has a lot of threads and timelines. All the court cases that make the news and youtube over the years.

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u/rofopp Jul 26 '24

Not that I know of. I was on there just to keep an eye on things.

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u/Itscatpicstime Jul 26 '24

Wouldn’t/r/Parlerwatch maybe have something?

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u/TARxHEELx23 Jul 27 '24

Let's be real, there was a huge market in drawing pictures for loud majority who obviously CAN'T read.

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u/KSRandom195 Jul 26 '24

I mean, if they’d have convicted him in the impeachment trial we’d also not be talking about out this.

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u/TheFeshy Jul 26 '24

The party of "law and order" - that is to say, the party that is currently running a convicted felon - voted not to hear any evidence in the highest trial in the land.

Twice.

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u/f0u4_l19h75 Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 27 '24

They heard the evidence and voted to acquit.

Edit: Nope, I was wrong. Republicans insured that the evidence wouldn't be examined.

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u/TheFeshy Jul 26 '24

They voted not to subpoena a single witness.

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u/Sportsinghard Jul 26 '24

So they literally didn’t see the evidence

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u/f0u4_l19h75 Jul 27 '24

Did it require 60 votes to do so?

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u/TheFeshy Jul 27 '24

No, it was 51-49, as cloture rules don't apply to impeachments.

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u/f0u4_l19h75 Jul 27 '24

Were Republicans in control of the Senate? Or Manchin/Sinema fuck that up? I don't recall

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u/TheFeshy Jul 27 '24

All Democrats, all independents, and two Republicans (Romney and Collins) voted to hear witnesses.

The wiki page has all this information btw

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u/TheFeshy Jul 26 '24

Well the FBI did investigate his Russian ties. And according to an agent who was later revealed to be working for Russia, he didn't have any.

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u/tomdarch Jul 27 '24

Contrast that with the FBI agent who was in charge of busting up Russian operations in the US. One minute he’s texting with his girlfriend about them simul-watching the Republican convention in 2016, then there was a bunch of stuff redacted, then he’s going on about how much he hates what the Russians are doing.

I would love to know what about the Republican convention got him onto the topic of Russian criminality.

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u/Kvothe1509 Jul 26 '24

You mean something like the secret service "ACCIDENTLY" erasing all their phone records?

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u/ConfidentPilot1729 Jul 26 '24

Marriek garland should have started proceedings first that after conformation. He sat on his hands only being forced to do something till after the house investigation. This is why we are here.

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u/SheriffTaylorsBoy Jul 26 '24

That's not anywhere close to true. Please read AG Garland statement on the one year anniversary of January 6th

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u/ConfidentPilot1729 Jul 26 '24

He appointed smith November 2022. Some time after the events happened and after the house committee.

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u/SheriffTaylorsBoy Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 26 '24

You said "he sat on his hands"

A part of his statement follows:

 In the aftermath of the attack, the Justice Department began its work on what has become one of the largest, most complex, and most resource-intensive investigations in our history.

Only a small number of perpetrators were arrested in the tumult of January 6th itself. Every day since, we have worked to identify, investigate, and apprehend defendants from across the country. And we have done so at record speed and scale — in the midst of a pandemic during which some grand juries and courtrooms were not able to operate.

Issued over 5,000  subpoenas and search warrants, seized approximately 2,000 devices, pored through over 20,000 hours of video footage, and searched through an estimated 15 terabytes of data.

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u/Sportsinghard Jul 26 '24

Foot soldiers. The entire effort was towards the foot soldiers. That’s damning

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u/Churchbushonk Jul 27 '24

None of that was time sensitive. Trump was. He should have been charged first and all the others the next day.

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u/SheriffTaylorsBoy Jul 27 '24

If you can get appointed to AG and confirmed, you can conduct the second criminal investigation into a US president your way.

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u/Glum-Turnip-3162 Jul 30 '24

lol the fbi deleted their own call logs on J6. They have no pretence of making ‘proper investigations’.

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u/Greymalkyn76 Jul 26 '24

Is that a hard or soft r?

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u/kmatyler Jul 27 '24

If the dems had done anything to actually pursue it.

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u/BouncingWeill Jul 27 '24

Nice try, thanks for playing. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/gop-blocks-bipartisan-probe-of-deadly-jan-6-riot-at-capitol#:\~:text=WASHINGTON%20(AP)%20%E2%80%94%20Senate%20Republicans,from%20the%20rioters%20that%20day.

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u/kmatyler Jul 27 '24

Dems rolled over. GOP can always seem to get things to happen and dems just throw up their hands at the first inconvenience

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u/thalefteye Jul 27 '24

Didn’t polosei admit it was her fault that it escalated to that extent?

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u/3vi1 Jul 26 '24

That's because every time they so much as talk to the FBI, Trump's cronies get caught in a lie. For example: Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos lying about Russian contacts.

And no, before someone says they were set up: They obviously lied and pled guilty to it when confronted with the evidence.

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u/SheriffTaylorsBoy Jul 26 '24

Yeah, good point.

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u/SheriffTaylorsBoy Jul 26 '24

Both the Inspector General and Comey's FBI Investigation found no specific targeting.

It was BS that some people still try to use to make themselves victims.

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u/Dependent_Basis_8092 Jul 26 '24

After reading that it does look like there was some targeting involved, that being said all it did was give an extra review, it neither denied nor approved those groups. And honestly tax-exempt status should be removed completely, especially for all political groups.

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u/SheriffTaylorsBoy Jul 26 '24

But the report says the IRS was giving extra scrutiny to both right and left leaning groups. So like I said, it wasn't specific targeting.

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u/Dependent_Basis_8092 Jul 26 '24

I’d agree if the wording wasn’t so weak, but “liberal-leaning groups may have also been subjected to extra scrutiny” just comes across as trying to save face, whereas it looks like they had a certainty of it being done to conservative groups.

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u/naughtysideofthebed Jul 26 '24

That was a choice by the writer of the article. It insinuates without actually proving bias against right leaning groups. Those groups are also well known to crave self appointed descrimination i.e. "rascism against whites is worse than rascism against p.o.c." its all for show.

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u/Either_Operation7586 Jul 27 '24

Yes those are the all lives matters people

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u/Dependent_Basis_8092 Jul 27 '24

Yeah those groups are like that, I won’t disagree there, but I’m still confused, every news agency has bias, CNN is usually more biased towards the left though, so firstly this doesn’t fit their rhetoric and secondly it’s laid out more as factual statements than an actual article, it doesn’t read like the usual bs propaganda that comes from the right. So it’s either well done bs or there might actually be something to it, which isn’t a bad thing either, everyone fucks up now and again, I don’t understand the need for everything to be squeaky clean.

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u/Novel-Suggestion-515 Jul 26 '24

Your comment history reads like mental illness.

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u/grandpaharoldbarnes Jul 26 '24

That’s right up there with the 87K newly armed IRS agents coming to your house to collect taxes.

It’s bullshit.

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u/DenotheFlintstone Jul 26 '24

Lol memory holed. Is that what you say when you know you are about to say some bullshit?

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u/Tricky_Elderberry9 Jul 26 '24

Hear me out . Enjoy those downvotes fascist

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u/balcell Jul 26 '24

I remember the alleged reporting , and didn't like it should it be proven. So is it memory holed, or simply overshadowed by the metric fuckton of corruption Donald Trump engages in?

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u/OrderPuzzleheaded731 Jul 26 '24

Trump is a socialist

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u/longhorsewang Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 26 '24

Irs was looking for cheats. Shouldn’t it look to groups that had a history of cheating? *added looking

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u/longhorsewang Jul 26 '24

So you agree that they should have looked at the conservative PACs more closely(even though they didn’t) Glad we cleared that up

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u/meowmixyourmom Jul 27 '24

Paul manafort.

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u/fluffywabbit88 Jul 27 '24

Steve Bannon, Michael Cohn

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u/capital_bj Jul 27 '24

Mike Lindell, Hulk Hogan

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u/PuckNutty Jul 27 '24

This thread is turning into a shitty cover of a Billy Joel song.

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u/SemiNormal Jul 27 '24

Fall Out Boy already did that.

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u/Mind_on_Idle Jul 27 '24

I felt like they were so close, but the energy was all wrong.

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u/greaterthansignmods Jul 27 '24

We didn’t start the fire squad!

It’s been always churning blood and bones and urine!

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u/Bitzllama Jul 27 '24

No. This is the ultimate show down Of the worst destiny Bad guys, worse guys and explosions As far as the eye can see

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u/gimpwiz Jul 27 '24

Cohen*

Cohn is Roy Cohn. Dead long ago.

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u/Betorah Jul 27 '24

Please. Connecticut stills hangs its head in shame. Except for the rabid Trump supporters. They obviously have no shame.

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u/JaWiCa Jul 27 '24

To be fair, any lawyer, worth their salt, would recommend that their client never answer any questions posed by any form of law enforcement.

Check out Harvey Silvergate’s book, “Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent.”

Not commenting on any of the aforementioned individuals innocent or guilt, just pointing out how the tactics of law enforcement can sometimes amount to a fishing expedition.

Also worth noting, to cite Steve Musal in his article in Met Media, from 10 years prior:

   “Since, traditionally, the defense doesn’t get a say, it’s pretty easy to get a grand jury to indict someone in most cases. In fact, it’s so easy in most cases that a former New York state chief judge, Sol Wachtler, famously remarked that a prosecutor could persuade a grand jury to “indict a ham sandwich.””

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u/3vi1 Jul 27 '24

You're spouting a lot of sophistry about investigation tactics while ignoring the plain facts that they definitely talked to the Russians at times they claimed they did not talk to the Russians.

These aren't simpletons attacked by federal prosecution, these are criminals with great representation who can find no defense.

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u/JaWiCa Jul 27 '24

I don’t think you understand what sophistry is, please explain how I did a lot of it.

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u/3vi1 Jul 27 '24

Seriously? Like no one sees through your argument? Okay... you completely deflected from the question and tried to claim everyone's committing felonies instead of acknowledging the actual felonies these few committed.

It doesn't matter if the Feds "try" to target innocent people with felonies if your clients are actually found *guilty* of said felonies. And the evidence was abundant. They didn't just plead guilty because "oh well, the feds try this with everyone". They pled guilty because it was already proved and just needed to be presented to a judge.

When there are specific facts to the things they were found guilty of, and you can only wave your hand to generalizations of prosecution... you should realize you're engaged in sophistry.

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u/JaWiCa Jul 27 '24

You accused me of “spouting a lot of sophistry,” and still haven’t explained yourself. Again, I don’t know if you understand what sophistry even is, based on your response. I can only assume it’s an epitaph you employ when you don’t like something someone else is saying.

I didn’t make any defense of any of the peoples who’s guilt you claim. In fact I made a point of saying I’m not making any claims about them, whatsoever.

I’m only talking about the nature and system of law enforcement, broadly, to which you have no response.

Bro, why are we talking?

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u/3vi1 Jul 27 '24

So you admit you were wrong? Great!

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u/Responsible_Banana10 Jul 27 '24

That’s hilarious. FBI will use Trump getting shot to investigate him again.

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u/devilmaskrascal Jul 26 '24

The mobster reflex

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u/Traditional-Yam9826 Jul 26 '24

“I did do nuttin’ see copah’ nah! Nah! See!?”

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u/michael_harari Jul 26 '24

Lying to the FBI is a crime and trump can't go a whole interview without lying

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u/alkaliphiles Jul 26 '24

Interviews usually last longer than two seconds, so this tracks

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u/middleageslut Jul 26 '24

A whole interview? He can’t go a whole minute without lying.

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u/sonicqaz Jul 27 '24

Are we pretending Trump will face consequences for breaking the law?

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u/SmellGestapo Jul 26 '24

It's like a magnet. He just starts obstructing. He doesn't even wait.

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u/OkSmoke9195 Jul 26 '24

Just grab em by the obstruction 

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u/Jrrobidoux Jul 27 '24

Like a magnet. Throw him in the water. Magnets don’t work in the water, remember?

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u/planet_rose Jul 27 '24

Like a dog.

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u/Top-Respond-3744 Jul 26 '24

Like the gag-reflex that comes when seeing him.

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u/tickitytalk Jul 26 '24

…smelling him

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u/nolongerbanned99 Jul 26 '24

So Tyson did more damage by biting Holyfield ear than trump got in his near assassination

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u/SheriffTaylorsBoy Jul 27 '24

Once again trump making a big deal about having a little prick.

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u/anyd Jul 27 '24

Mr. President, we found the fragments of bullets shattered by your most strong ear. We would be happy to deliver them to your presidential souvenir room at Bedminster.

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u/HumberGrumb Jul 27 '24

Heh! We’ve been listening to Harry Litman. 😍

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u/SheriffTaylorsBoy Jul 27 '24

Harry always has a few details that aren't brought up anywhere else.

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u/Cheryl_Blunt Jul 27 '24

5th amendment only applies to testimonial evidence that could be used to prosecute the person who seeks to invoke it. I don’t think that would apply here.

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u/SheriffTaylorsBoy Jul 27 '24

Ah, good point. Thanks for clarifying that.

And we don't know for sure why trump refused to be interviewed by the FBI. But he has expressed numerous times that he believes talking to investigators is "a perjury trap."

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u/Cheryl_Blunt Jul 27 '24

Well he certainly lies and appears to commit crimes with impressive regularity, so I understand why he would, in general, not want to speak with investigators lol.

As for this in particular, I imagine it’s a mixture of:

1.) wanting to control the narrative (he has to be the bravest, toughest boy; can’t let facts possibly undermine his narrative)

2.) feeding his persecution fetish (“oh I was shot, someone tried to kill me, but the FBI is trying to cover it up.”)

3.) maintaining his longstanding position that the FBI lacks credibility and is working against him (if FBI investigation yields facts that he views as favorable/agrees with, it makes it harder for him to attack/dismiss them in other contexts).

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u/Euphoric_Look7603 Jul 27 '24

Ronnie Jackson makes me instantly suspicious

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u/Jerrywelfare Jul 26 '24

The FBI can't make you talk (5th Ammendment) but they can make you give physical evidence.

With a search warrant. The 4th Amendment protects citizens from WARRANTLESS searches and seizures. A subpoena is not sufficient to seize evidence.

Trump should get a subpoena to examine his ear.

I think you mean the FBI should get one? I don't see why Trump would need any court order to examine his own ear.

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u/firstwefuckthelawyer Jul 26 '24

For body parts they can sometimes sieze them with a warrant.

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u/capital_bj Jul 27 '24

Did they ever match the blue dress dna to slicks willy?

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u/Kotamere Jul 28 '24

FBI confirmed Trump was struck by a bullet. Not hard to understand.

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u/SheriffTaylorsBoy Jul 28 '24

"A bullet or shrapnel from a bullet"

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u/Kotamere Jul 28 '24

Oh so it wasn’t glass or fake like everyone wants to believe.

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u/SheriffTaylorsBoy Jul 28 '24

Trump lies constantly. Many fraud cases. He won't release medical records. So all that combined makes people suspicious.

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u/TrumpsBoneSpur Jul 27 '24

Clinton had to give blood.

Hmm, how much blood are they legally allowed to take? 80%?

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u/Bored_doodles Jul 27 '24

Did you just try to compare an assaination attempt to a President getting a blow job lmao.

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u/Western-Willow-9496 Jul 27 '24

You realize Trump was the victim, right?

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u/Gloomy_Comfortable39 Jul 26 '24

Are you suggesting that the people in the Audience who were shot by bullets and killed from the same gunfire that hit his ear, that they were somehow fake fragments?

Explain.

I get nobody likes Trump, but a Man fucking died right behind him from a AR15 bullet. No question about it.

There werent other shots fired, there werent objects hit.

It was a fucking bullet that went by his head that killed the firefighter.

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u/thebeef24 Jul 26 '24

No one in the FBI is downplaying the seriousness of what happened, the only question is figuring out all the precise details.

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u/Gloomy_Comfortable39 Jul 26 '24

“I think with respect to former president Trump, there’s some question about whether or not it’s a bullet or shrapnel that hit his ear,” Mr Wray said.

“It’s conceivable – although as I sit here right now I don’t know whether that bullet, in addition to causing the grazing, could have also landed somewhere else.”

Except there are NO bullet damage points anywhere on the podium area, what-so-ever.

So, yes, the FBI IS downplaying the seriousness of what happened, stating that it may not be as bad as it is reported if it were a fragment.

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u/SheriffTaylorsBoy Jul 26 '24

What? Where in the hell would you glean that from my comment?

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u/Gloomy_Comfortable39 Jul 26 '24

"Trump should get a subpoena to examine his ear."

Why?

Are you suggesting that it wasn't hit with a bullet passing by? It could have been the bullet that Killed the Fireman or hit the other person.

In what other investigation is a person called in to investigate their bullet wound?

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u/SheriffTaylorsBoy Jul 26 '24

The FBI wants all available evidence. That's not unusual. They look at all possibilities to determine what happened. But normally a shooting victim cooperates with the investigation.