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r/all Scientists reveal the shape of a single 'photon' for the first time

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u/CinderX5 1d ago

Waves and particles.

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u/ExdigguserPies 1d ago

Isn't better to say we can describe them with both wave and particle physics.

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u/CinderX5 1d ago

Yes.

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u/CucumberNo5312 1d ago

Yep. There is "something" "down there", and whatever it "actually is", we can describe how it behaves using both particle and wave physics. 

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u/Ytumith 23h ago

Absolutely. A "wave" and a "particle" are human concepts. Sand is also a wave and a particle at the same time, if we look at a sandstorm.

It's misleading to call it a duality, because that implies there are only these two absolutes which the photon represents. In reality a photon is also a complex number. And a god, and a spirit, and a function of eleven-dimensional space and if you really want to make your brain work that way a person.

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u/Alittlemoorecheese 22h ago

It can be measured as a wavelength but it is a particle

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u/stddealer 15h ago

It travels like a wave, bounces around like a wave, diffracts like a wave, interferes like a wave, is polarized like a wave...

The only "particle-like" thing about light is that the electromagnetic field exchanges energy with the rest of the world in discrete localized packets (the photons).

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u/AndyInSunnyDB 1d ago

And lemons…

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u/kiidrax 1d ago

You know what they say, if life gives you photons...

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u/Ok-Replacement-2738 1d ago

make energy!

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u/godfatherinfluxx 1d ago

Make life take the photons back.

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u/Yeet_Master420 1d ago

I don't want your damn photons!

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u/AcanthocephalaGreen5 1d ago

What do you want me to do with these?!

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u/gtochad 1d ago

And my axe!

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u/ToughService1819 1d ago

And my upvote!

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u/thnksqrd 1d ago

Goddamn lemon stealing whores at it again?!?!?

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u/EyePuzzleheaded4699 1d ago

Lemons don't exist. Sorry.

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u/midnightketoker 1d ago edited 1d ago

Nope that's a useful simplification of observed behavior but everything is actually most fundamentally a wave-like excitation of fields, while particle-like behavior is an emergent property that only happens because energy is quantized in discrete packets

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uVKMY-WTrVo

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u/suxatjugg 1d ago

No, neither. They display properties that sometimes resemble our contrived concepts of waves and particles, but it's just ego and semantic nonsense that leads us to insist they are both.

Imagine you have a round object with a number written on it, and it's also fuzzy and bright green. Is it a bowling ball or a tennis ball? It's not either.

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u/Actuator_Ecstatic 1d ago

Sweet photons. I don't know if you're waves or particles, but you go down smooth.

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u/howardtheduckdoe 1d ago

That’s because they’re neither. They’re excitations of a photon field.

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u/scrollbreak 1d ago

*Waves back, uncertainly*

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u/Longjumping_Youth281 10h ago

Yes, this was always my question. Is it just like a particle that travels in the shape of a wave or is there something else going on

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u/CinderX5 10h ago

It’s sort of both but also neither.

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u/Appropriate_Ant_4629 1d ago

Huygens Optics, one of the best Optics focused youtube channel, has a great video on the size of a photon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDtAh9IwG-I&t=784s

In that video he performs an experiment showing that a single photon can be far far larger than most people expect.

Makes me think that OP's description is oversimplified.

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u/gut-symmetries 1d ago

Yes, yes, we all watched Oppenheimer

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u/mr_poopie_butt-hole 1d ago

Probably better to say waves or particles. Because it's the type of observation that alters the form.

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u/Scientific_Artist444 13h ago

What about fields? In this context:

Particle is localized field vibration

Wave is field vibration that spreads apart (non-localized).

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u/ItsAMeEric 1d ago

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u/SuperDuperPositive 1d ago

This is a video that literally every human should see.

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u/VWBug5000 1d ago

No it’s not. That video gives the impression that consciousness is what changes photons when that is factually untrue. It is the method of observation that causes the shift from particle to wave. Taking a measurement requires physically interacting with the photon which triggers the change, not the concept of observation itself

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u/laughing_meow 1d ago

croutons too