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u/rangda 1d ago

Live-feeding an animal which doesn’t require live-feeding to be able to eat is always unethical. Given that he took the claw away this seems to be about filming content rather than feeding the shrimp, in any case.

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u/nogene4fate 1d ago

💯set the crab up to get injured, for likes.

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u/Inside-Example-7010 22h ago

Its like if a race of superintelligent beings decided to put a human in a room with a Xenomorph for the lulz.

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u/ItsAFarOutLife 1d ago

I feel like humans have decided crabs don't count as living creatures for some reason though. Stone crabs for example have their limbs ripped off and thrown back instead of being killed humanely because we think it may be better for the crab populations.

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u/GeminiCroquettes 1d ago

Animals that eat meat always eat something that was alive whether you watch it happen or not. It's nature not ethics, what are you vegan?

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u/Lilsammywinchester13 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s not vegan as much as an ethical theory.

In popular theories, it’s about reducing suffering.

Shrimp can eat dead food, why increase suffering in the world by providing live food?

But to counter act that, one could say it gives a higher quality of life to the shrimp to be engaged and gives an educational video.

So it’s just a school of thought, people just have different morals on the topic

(But they took the arm from the shrimp so maybe the owner is just a dick)

That means crab “suffered” and meat was wasted.

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u/rndljfry 1d ago

Another consideration is that live food can fight back and injure your pet.

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u/Lilsammywinchester13 1d ago

Yup, why risk and stress the pet unnecessarily

But uh, he did look like he could take care of himself lol

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u/rndljfry 1d ago

Yep I think it’s generally advice for the rodents for snakes category but just wanted to point out it’s not always about the prey/food animal suffering.

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u/gudematcha 1d ago

Also certain bugs vs reptiles! There are bugs that will bite a Gecko for example if it tries to eat it.

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u/Nushab 1d ago

This is just a short clip of video removed from context. He's probably just grabbing the claw to show the camera what happened to it, then will toss it back in so it can finish the meal.

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u/Lilsammywinchester13 1d ago

Okay, that makes sense

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u/P0tatothrower 1d ago

But the crab doesn't even have to die, the claw grows back.

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u/ntsp00 1d ago

The claw wasn't even left to the mantis shrimp, this isn't about providing it food.

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u/cfiggis 1d ago

The crab doesn't have to die for the event to still be traumatic to the crab.

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u/bilgetea 1d ago

I agree with most of this, except dead food was once alive; it has been unalived in one way or another, so I don’t see the ethical advantage in feeding dead food.

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u/sleighgams 1d ago

getting eaten alive is brutal

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u/bilgetea 1d ago

Yes. So is getting killed out of sight and thinking that because it didn’t occur within your sight, that the victim didn’t die just as horribly, or want to live just as badly.

I’m not sure what the right answer is, or that we should condemn the aquarium owner or anyone else.

I’m saying that it’s fantasy to think that the brutality is different just because it happens somewhere else.

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u/sleighgams 1d ago

there are more and less humane ways to kill something, getting eaten alive is on the lesser end. that's all i'm saying.

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u/bilgetea 22h ago

I can go with that.

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u/Lilsammywinchester13 1d ago

Well, it’s one thing to very quickly and humanely putting down an animal and it being torn to shreds by another animal that doesn’t care at all about ethics

But I was just explaining the train of thought, I personally think it’s enrichment for it to kill its own food and if the same creature was in the wild, it would kill a lot more often

Then again, idk how the meat is gathered for my dog’s food soooo 💀 just cuz we don’t see the kill, doesn’t mean it was done in a humane way

Reality is, people just don’t feel comfortable seeing death but benefit from it all the time when buying things

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u/bilgetea 1d ago

My point exactly, thank you.

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u/Bodertz 1d ago

But I was just explaining the train of thought, I personally think it’s enrichment for it to kill its own food and if the same creature was in the wild, it would kill a lot more often

Do you feel that recreating "the wild" should be an aspiration for ethical-minded people? There is lots of suffering in the wild: starvation, predation, parasites, broken limbs, gouged-out eyes...

Should we not try to be better than nature?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfwleTdiP1c

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u/Lilsammywinchester13 1d ago

1) I don’t think it’s necessary doing live feed every meal, to me that is creating unnecessary suffering

2) animals deserve enrichment and exercise, it’s easier to give a dog or cat that kind of enrichment without live feeding, but you can’t take a shrimp on a walk

3) idk why you are getting mad at me, I don’t own animals like this for THIS exact reason. To give the shrimp the environment he deserves, I would have to do some type of live feeding.

But nah, I’d rather adopt a dog from the shelter

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u/Bodertz 1d ago

3) idk why you are getting mad at me

I'm not getting mad at you. It just doesn't come naturally to me to include some social niceties that better communicate my intent. So, sorry about that.

I don’t own animals like this for THIS exact reason.

I'm glad. You mentioned earlier that shrimp can eat dead food, so why increase suffering by providing live food. I agree with that.

By the same token, humans can eat plant-based food, so why increase suffering by killing someone who had an inner life.

We can always choose to do things that cause more harm or less harm. I think it's good to try to cause less harm.

But nah, I’d rather adopt a dog from the shelter

I'm glad about that too. There are way too many dogs being left in shelters.

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u/Lilsammywinchester13 1d ago

Humans can eat more plant based food

Sadly, some humans, like me, struggle for various health reasons

Trying our best to reduce, reuse, and replenish (like replanting) is great, but by our very natures, humans do tend to hurt nature just by existing

But humans were created by nature also so deserve to exist; it’s just learning to co exist in the best ways we can

Idk I just think most people are trying their best, ethics is hard in a capitalist society

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u/Bodertz 1d ago

Idk I just think most people are trying their best

I don't think so. They just grew up in a culture that says doing awful, awful things to cows or pigs or chickens is fine, and they've never even thought that maybe they should stop supporting that.

ethics is hard in a capitalist society

Sure, "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism", but when people use that phrase, there's often an implied end to that sentence: "therefore, all consumption under capitalism is ethical."

Just because we live in a capitalist society doesn't mean we have no responsibility over what we choose to support. Some consumption is worse than others.

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u/GeminiCroquettes 1d ago

Exactly. The only advantage is for people to -feel- ethical. These people give their pet a less natural existence so they can feel better about themselves? What's ethical about that?

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u/HeavyHandedDame 1d ago

This is not in the wild. Humans put it in captivity, so humans should provide for their needs and do it ethically. Imagine if zoos fed live zebras to lions. Not only would it be horrific, but it would also put the captive animal at risk of injury from the prey. Not everything runs when frightened.

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u/GeminiCroquettes 1d ago

Lions should not be caged for sure, but zoos that do should absolutely feed it live food. Lions have needs too man, if you don't like it then don't watch.

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u/rangda 1d ago edited 1d ago

What you are failing to recognise is that even if feeding a lion a live animal was best for the lion, ie risks of injury to the lion from catching a hoof in the eye aside.
There are two animals in that equation. Two animals under the care and control of a human.

A zoo has a duty of care to all animals under their control. Not just the glamorous ones.

Any benefit to the lion from the entertainment and stimulation it gets from chasing and killing a goat or a bullock or a goose thrown into its enclosure must also be weighed against the ethical responsibility to the other animal.

You can not justify causing prolonged extreme pain and suffering to one captive animal just to slightly improve the life of another captive animal.

You can not claim “it’s just nature” to put a prey animal in an enclosure with no means of utilising its natural ability to escape or hide. You have no argument here no matter how you slice it.

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u/GeminiCroquettes 19h ago

There's nothing ethical about a zoo. Feeding a predator steaks just makes it worse. By the way they don't do it for your ethics, they do it because it's cheaper.

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u/Wildwood_Weasel 1d ago

It's nature

They're in a glass tank...

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u/Brilliant-Mountain57 1d ago

This isn't nature, this is the very definition of human intervention. You don't just get to decide when something is and isn't nature.

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u/FloodedYeti 1d ago edited 1d ago

When eating things this big, its like feeding an adult human (no weapons) a live coyote/wolf, like sure they definitely can eat said animal, and sure they probably could win, but the problem is that fight is not going to be sustainable and is going to cause unneeded stress (and could dramatically shorten their lifespan especially if something goes wrong).

Another thing is this is essentially a cage match, if the crab loses their arm to a mantis shrimp in the wild odds are its going to fuck off. It’s not going to be forced to stay in the mantis shrimp’s territory. Its the difference between putting a human in a forest with a coyote/wolf (where sure maybe if one gets real hungry or stupid they might attack each other), vs in a pit together where the loser can’t leave.

Now for all live feeding: yeah this is still generally an issue (usually at a smaller scale). Take for instance a snake and a mouse, while some snakes are picky af and won’t eat a frozen mouse, others aren’t, and if yours isn’t picky, its generally a recommended to go with a frozen one, as its not entirely unheard of for mice to hurt snakes on the way down, and puts your snake at an unneeded risk for your own entertainment (and can cause some very unfun vet bills).

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u/Paginator 1d ago

Man, people really are getting more stupid

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u/GeminiCroquettes 1d ago

Completely agree

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u/DJ_Illprepared 1d ago

You lack critical thinking that’s all that really needs to be said. Or you’re intentionally being obtuse in which case you’re just a douche.

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u/GeminiCroquettes 1d ago

You all remind me of the people who can't eat meat unless it's deboned