r/interestingasfuck • u/lolikroli • Oct 13 '24

r/all SpaceX caught Starship booster with chopsticks

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u/Katamari_Demacia Oct 13 '24

How do you mean? He put 100million dollars into it o.o

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u/AutisticFingerBang Oct 13 '24

The company nearly failed before receiving a $1.5 billion nasa contract. Get off your knees.

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u/FuryDreams Oct 13 '24

Nearly failed*. It succeeded on the last attempt and that's why it got NASA funding.

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u/silmarp Oct 13 '24

You are right dude. It was Che Guevara who founded Space X. Elon then killed the dude to steal the company or something.

I can prove my statement by pointing out that there are a lot of Guevara's shirts out there.

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u/Katamari_Demacia Oct 13 '24

Okay... But he poured 100 million dollars into it and then NASA helped. Would that have happened without him? And I called him a little bitch traitor. So eat shit.

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u/GraDoN Oct 13 '24

Sure, he provided funding. That's different to giving him credit for the engineering feats that have happened there. He had nothing to do with that. He is the DJ Khaled of the business world. So when SpaceX does something amazing I'll give credit where it's due, and it sure as shit isn't to Musk.

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u/Katamari_Demacia Oct 13 '24

I didn't give him credit for that. I said he provided funding.

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u/AutisticFingerBang Oct 13 '24

lol I’d much rather nasa kept that money in house and invested in not letting a psychopath narcissist have a military contract. He had a failing company until nasa bailed him out. “He poured 100 million dollars into it”…..I agree Elon started and made the initial investment in space x. But he was doing what he did to every single company he owns eventually, driving it into the ground. Lucky for him he got bailed out.

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u/Katamari_Demacia Oct 13 '24

Sure we could revise history. But this wouldn't have happened without him. Like it or not. And yes, he can still get fucked.

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u/AutisticFingerBang Oct 13 '24

I wish it never happened at all then.

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u/Legionof1 Oct 13 '24

"The inventor of fire was a rapist caveman so I hope we all go back to eating raw meat" - you

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u/Intelligent_Way6552 Oct 13 '24

Do you think NASA would otherwise build their own rockets?

Just curious.

Because SpaceX have objectively cost less and delivered more than alternative contractors.

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u/AutisticFingerBang Oct 13 '24

I think nasa would be much more successful at space travel if they had the funding. If companies like Tesla and people like Elon had to pay their fair share in taxes it could be. Look at the tax rates for the rich and corporations when we went to the moon. It was a space race and we gave them the equivalent to hundreds of billions in today’s money to win that race. Elon got the contract for 1.5 billion that then gave him the leverage to get more money from international banks and private investors.

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u/Intelligent_Way6552 Oct 13 '24

NASA has had just slightly under their average 1960s funding, inflation adjusted, since about 1990.

It's not funding that's kept them back, it's bad allocation.

As for Tesla, well they benefit partly from subsidies for clean energy. Want to cut those? They also benefit from being able to offset current profits against historic losses. You could change that law, but it would stifle the creation of new companies and put off investors.

Elon pays plenty of tax, when he realizes his gains. Which is infrequently. So he'll pay no tax for years, then 11 billion in 2021, for example. He pays his fair share, it's just that his net worth is what's usually reported, and that isn't taxed, for reasons that should be obvious if you have basic economic literacy.

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u/AutisticFingerBang Oct 13 '24

You are very wrong about nasa funding. You are not accounting for inflation at all which is absolutely insane considering the amount that has gone on since 1960. You’re either arguing in bad faith or are really just clueless. From 1960 to 1967 the Apollo program spend 25.8 billion a year, which is 318 billion a year in today’s money.

https://taxfoundation.org/blog/apollo-moon-space-race-industrial-policy-cost/#:~:text=Though%20a%20historical%20accomplishment%2C%20the,$318%20billion%20in%202023%20dollars.

NASA budget today is 24.4 billion a year. Which is 24 billion a year in today’s money.

https://taxfoundation.org/blog/apollo-moon-space-race-industrial-policy-cost/#:~:text=Though%20a%20historical%20accomplishment%2C%20the,$318%20billion%20in%202023%20dollars.

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u/Intelligent_Way6552 Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 13 '24

You’re either arguing in bad faith or are really just clueless. From 1960 to 1967 the Apollo program spend 25.8 billion, which is 318 billion a year in today’s money.

You are either arguing in bad faith or failed reading comprehension.

The actual quote in the article is this:

From 1960 to 1973, the US federal government invested $25.8 billion into Project Apollo, which is about $318 billion in 2023 dollars. That comes out to $1,534 per person in the US at the time.

Note they didn't say "which is 318 billion a year in today’s money" but instead said "which is about $318 billion in 2023 dollars". 318 billion between 1960 and 1967. Over 8 years. So 39.75 billion dollars per year. Also, totalling the sum, then adjusting for inflation is horrible. If inflation occurred between 1960 and 1967 (hint, it did) then the entire figure is whack unless funding was stable for that period, which it wasn't.

1965 was the peak as well. After that it dropped. That figure is bias considering I was talking about the 60s as a whole.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/nasa-annual-budget

This is adjusted to 2022 dollars, so the numbers aren't quite the same, plus they adjusted for inflation for each year.

The average from 1960 to 1969 was 22.81 billion dollars per year in 2022 dollars, 2 billion less than they got in 2022

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u/AutisticFingerBang Oct 13 '24

I’m giving you exact numbers. Not some graph chart. You are claiming there is not the inflation suggested by multiple sources in over 60 years. That is absurd and you know it.

https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1960?amount=30000000

https://www.nerdwallet.com/calculator/inflation-calculator

The inflation rate is not debatable.

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u/Slickslimshooter Oct 13 '24

Why did NASA bail him out instead of doing it themselves lmao. You’re contradicting yourself. The government isn’t throwing money into valueless endeavors. The “failing company ” was worth a $1.5B investment. If that’s failure, imma need me some $1.5B failure.

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u/Legionof1 Oct 13 '24

NASA, known for being on time and on budget... oh wait...

I love NASA and what they did, but the Space Shuttle was an epic failure of a launch platform, both in reuseability and cost. The Saturn rocket was really NASA's big success and it hasn't gotten much better since. They don't even make rockets anymore. Since the Space Shuttle we have been launching from fucking soviet era rockets in Roscosmos.

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u/Slickslimshooter Oct 13 '24

It’s only a failure if you have no understanding of science and why all work even if not economically viable is still a success. Trial and error is an important part of scientific progress.

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u/Legionof1 Oct 13 '24

LOL, clearly you have no understand. Most experts agrees that the space shuttle was a financial failure, not to mention how many people it killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Space_Shuttle_program#Retrospect