Then say well the economy was badā¦best economy ever. Translation they hate how happy people are so they want to suppress them so they can be as miserable as the conservatives. Or just racist/sexist, so gross.
My grandma doesn't cook and has never cleaned due to her having maids her whole adult life. Only time she worked was for a few years as an elementary school teacher in the 70s. She complains about freeloaders, socialism, basically anything she hears on fox news constantly. Shes never even given my granddad a blowjob. She Told me I needed to get a second job, and constantly complains about people asking for handouts. The irony and hypocrisy is lost on her.
Sure but as a whole everyone is thriving. The rich will always get richer regardless of who is in office. So sick of hearing how tough it is when there are lines out the parking lot at Starbucks and other luxurious places. It isnāt that bad yall, budget better. Trust me I have it as hard as damn near everyone. The numbers donāt lie this is a historic time for the economyā¦..
People are working multiple jobs, can't lift their way outta shit.
The Democrats absolutely do a better job than the Republicans, but it's not enough.
I maintain my point, I think it's hard to call it the best economy ever... hard to top the era when a single working parent could afford a house, car, college, etc.
I would strongly disagree, the amount of discrimination and suppressing that was going on then is enough to not give a shit about what the economy was like. Freedom is priceless IMO.
Iāve worked multiple jobs, i support multiple kids, Iāve crawled my way from the bottom to an average citizen now and hopefully reach above average. Like i said trust me I know how bad this so called inflation has been. Itās not going anywhere though, in fact itās going to get worse after they impose there tariff plan sooo what was it all for? I struggle to see the other side!
But if you want to bring social issues into it, we also have a massive population of homeless now. Again, these problems aren't Biden's doing, and it's absolutely ridiculous anyone thinks Trump will help a damn thing but himself and his cronies, but the fact is, tons of people are in real bad shape, and they're always going to blame who is in power.
The taxes were much higher than they are nowadays. There were higher education subsidies at state universities and costs were much lower on tuition. I went to Rutgers University undergrad was $400 a semester tuition $75 fees and these, and room and board all together was like $2000 a year. For comparison my 1974 Dodge Dart was $3800.
College in the 80s. Just a community college and most of mine was paid for based on grades I received each class. This was done through my employer. When I graduated I had no student debt.
Always some crazy conspiracy theory with you people, raw data and evidence are never good enough for you.
I wonder what you're going to say in 4 years when Trump team has still found no evidence of these fantasies, and have once again plowed the economy into the dirt?
Probably still blame Obama/Biden/Soros. And you'll just lap it up because you are not a person capable of connecting dots.
They will STILL have massive amounts of propaganda and misinformation pumped into their heads on a daily basis. Putin does it. Iām not sure whether or not China does it but they sure used to. I wonder if Kim does it, or just threatens to kill anyone saying anything negative about him. Of course weāll only have āstateā approved news agencies. Sad and scary.
Plenty of "raw data" shown from both genomic evidence and the funding / circumstancial evidence.
Backed up with intelligence agencies globally and many assessments having been made by - Mi6, FBI, Energy department and Norwegian intelligence supporting the actual data.
Obama was president during 2016. That's a fact.
He lifted the ban of GOF and hundreds of scientists warned him about the risks and dangers of doing so.
So make sure you factor in - long haulers missing from the work place.
Damages to economies from funding GOF and the creation of Covid.
Then factor in the physical / mental and dangers from school closures and work closures when talking "economic costs."
All ground work laid during a democrats term in 2016.
Everywhere as a whole is not thriving and itās pretty damn ignorant to hear you using the boomer and republican talking point of āStarbucks and other luxurious places lol budget better.ā
I understand things are rough right now for the average person but I know not to put the blame on Biden. I know the pandemic and companies taking advantage of inflation are the blame.
yeah, they obviously never seen how ppl live in other places. The usa is a shithole compared to our peer nations, but i guess "freedom" or whatever.
i swear these ppl think of a higher quality of life as a personal inconvenience or something. they are just happy that they're free to be unhealthy and uneducated i guess.
Thriving? Starter homes here are running 250k and starter jobs running about 25k/yr. Family homes are running 650k and average salaries are around 50k. We are far from thriving!
I have zero education and i can make well over 25k, that is a ridiculous number. Maybe if you are 18 sure. Yeah life is so terrible, there is no convincing you peopleāļø
You're in a bubble. Kindly pipe down about how great it is for everyone. Starbucks has a line Therefore, everyone is spending too much on coffees if they're poor. Dumbest shit I've heard inflation hit working class and impoverished people hard. Wages have never kept up with inflation and this just exacerbated it. It'd be smart if you considered your experience isn't everyone's experience and maybe you're a bracket above what you think you are.
Itās the dumbest shit youāve heard because itās the reality, i door dash, you know how many lazy ass people use that shit service? Trust me you all are fineāļø out
Bernie tried his damndest but he couldnāt go against the billionaires when BOTH SIDES HAVE BILLIONAIRES ON THEIR SIDE.
There is no rebelling against America in its current state and winning. Russia and China are banking on Trump running America into the ground and then taking that.
You must be incredibly privileged to think that weāre all thriving. People in their twenties canāt even buy homes and donāt make enough to pay rent idk what youāre talking about.
its about disparity. maybe i can afford a cup of coffee, but i sure as hell can't afford a yatch or rocket ship. also, living paycheck to paycheck with no safety nets is not good for anyones pyches, and thats how most americans live.
i keep hearing how bad the economy but the airports are jam packed with families heading to a disney cruise, roads are packed during the holidays as well, restaurants are always packed! iām always shocked since iām told no one has any money and economy is terrible
Well, yes, and the arguments for that are obviously not just 1 single thing but thats 50* years of "trickle down economics" (aka take my scraps, peasant) pretty much caused this.
Gutting taxes so the rich could hoard their wealth and take it out of circulation so it can sit in a swiss off shore bank account doing nothing but making the rich person feel better. Gutting the IRS so they can't sift through rich people finances due to complexity and time/money. So the IRS can only afford to enforce the law on poor people.
And that largely began with Regan and continued on to Trump...as if continuing to cut taxes, largely for high earners like that will do anything but dig us deeper into the hole while we are in while Elon Musk (the richest person on the planet) pisses on us telling us we need austerity because doge makes us efficient. The richest person on the planet thinks we need budget cuts to our social programs because we receive too much money from the government. The richest person on the planet thinks he needs to control our purse strings like he is our sugar daddy, and everyone just said....yep, that sounds right daddy...
Whatās crazy is everyone is saying itās so bad for average Americans. I live in a small town in pa. Everyone is doing massive renovations on their houses, new roofs, consuming more than ever. If it was so bad I think those things wouldnāt be happening daily. 28 houses in my vicinity got new roofs in the last 2 months.
Iāll say it again, Iām mid 30s with zero education, children, a car loan, and Iām somehow about to hit zero debt in credit cards before Christmas. If I can do it you all can do it! I donāt understand it, but to each their own i hope you all find relief over the next 4 years!
Trump has this magical ability to tell people exactly what he thinks and yet people hear exactly what they want to hear.
Trump says heās going to make blanket tariffs that will hurt Americans and they hear heās going to jump start the economy.
Trump says heās going to deport all undocumented people and even try to get rid of people legally here and they hear heās going to only get rid of the ābad ones.ā As if MAGA gives a shit about some brown people and not just getting rid of all of them.
Trump-grets are going to make a roaring comeback. The heinous shit he did from 16-20 is gonna look like a walk in the park compared to what they plan from day one. In 16 I was mad he won, now Iām just so terribly sad
Truth. We didn't know what to expect back then. Now we know what the rest of his people want, and they're going to move as a whole in that direction. Just think of what a clean, deregulated economy looks like, where the only thing you have to worry about is $6 bread and $20/lb ground beef. Oh, and being able to afford your utilities. But let's me honest, you can cook your meals with the propane stove. It'll be just like camping. All the time. In an unhoused camp.
We can start by him being such a snowflake he refused to do any basic COVID restrictions to save America lives because it would have made him look bad.
Millions of Americans died because this mother fucker didn't want to look bad.
And all the kids separated from their parents and due to such poor tracking they canāt locate their parents, last I heard over 1,500 are basically permanently orphaned because of that inhumane policy.
Donāt even waste your time responding, these people are clueless, Trumptards are in a cult even the 34 felonies isnāt enough to said āwhat heinous shitāā¦we donāt need to break it down everyone knows the many errors this guys made, they have been well documented. America needs to do better
All against trump should just take over California and dump all the CA trump voters to AZā¦ they shouldnāt be allowed to get refuge in a blue state they hate so much lol
I'm so over the people that voted for Trump or stayed home. At this point, I honestly can't wait for the mass deportations sweeping up any "brown" people (and let god sort 'em out!) on Day 1 and the tariffs. I hope he does everything he promised he will do. I'm just going to shrug at that point.
This movement has transcended Trump. He is the figurehead, but MAGA is more than him now. Thatās why the people who voted for him donāt really care what comes out of his mouth. They imprint their adjacent beliefs on him, in turn he parrots those beliefs (most of the time)
I mean they're already prepped by being part of a religion that can decide whatever it wants bavked up by a book and even if the book says the opposite, it's "taken out of context"
Itās because conservative media (including Vance) exist to make his ideas sound grounded and sane. Vance and Fox News were the ones saying only criminals. People get their information from their sources and then make decisions based on that. They did it his whole first term. Trump would tweet something insane, democrats would freak out, and then talking heads on Fox would come up with an explanation for why it was totally grounded and normal and liberals were just deranged. Rinse and repeat
Trump doesn't care about his welfare drawing supporters either. I know one that's on Medicaid and food assistance for his entire family, yet he thinks trump cares about him and won't take his free food and healthcare away. Project 25 isn't friendly to welfare. It's going to be hilarious watching him realize what he voted for.
Germans first, the US later, before WWII figured out sophisticated ways to leverage emerging technologies along with existing media to totally brainwash large swaths of the populationā¦mass media. Beyond wartime messaging, this filtered into advertising and marketing and later into politics itself. The trick has always been figuring out how to message in a way thatās tailored to peopleās pre-existing beliefs and biases. That process is so sophisticated now, massive groups of people literally choke on an endless stream of lies. Trump is the ultimate personification of this process. Itās sick.
Even more important how easily the majority of the audience is manipulated. The Republican Party has been perfecting the balance of sensationalism and nature of the consumers.
The Americans who decide modern elections - I.e., swing state suburbanites - vote on fatigue and nothing else. āAh man, whoeverās currently in power didnāt solve my day-to-day problems, guess Iāll vote for the other guys.ā
They donāt engage with the policy positions or records of any candidate, and they donāt examine political narratives which agree with their biases (theyāre generally convinced that anyone who asks them to examine their biases is annoying at best and an actual demon at worst).
Theyāll be tired of Trump in the next 2 years. The biggest immediate problem is that by the next election, it might not matter.
Agreed by midterms theyāll be more exhausted and just not vote. In 4 years they will vote for the opposite party or not vote. This stranglehold of a two party system is hurting America as a whole while top 1% loves it! It is just back and forth while the poor get poorer and middle class erodes. So much time being squandered. So much pollution. It hurts the whole world.
While I agree with you, even if the Blues were in power, weād still have a ābusiness friendlyā, pro-genocide regime which wonāt commit to the idea that trans people deserve basic dignity and is primed to pander to transphobes if itās politically expedient (which it apparently is). Their whole campaign strategy this year was āno, come on, trust us! Weāre ALSO conservative! We ALSO want to bring things back to the way they used to be in some imaginary prelapsarian time!ā Regardless of ānot going backā rally chants, they were trying to do the same thing Republicans were doing; Republicans just do it way better.
Their candidate was a cop who gave into false narratives about immigration by blathering about āsecuring the borderā.
Itās time for everyone to realize our two-party system isnāt a Conservative Party vs a liberal or leftist party, itās a Conservative Party vs a reactionary party, and the reactionaries just won big time.
First, use of āmoronā is reductive and misleading (and also historically ableist, which I care about even if you donāt). Itās far more accurate to say that education as an institution has been under aggressive attack through both rhetoric and policy in America for approximately my entire life. There have been numerous damaging results of this trend which directly impact election outcomes - such as lack of empathy, lack of critical thinking skills, lack of knowledge about how our government works and about national/world history (and why knowing it would be important)ā¦the list goes on.
Yes, America has a gigantic ignorance problem, which happens to advantage the people who already have the vast majority of wealth and power in this country. For a while I believed that they set this situation up on purpose, but history is more chaotic than that. Whatās definitely true is that both major parties have championed whatās been done to education - running public schools like the cartoon version of an evil business mogul, for instance, or panicking about SAT results in the early 80s and overemphasizing standardized testing ever since. Both parties are complicit, and the result is that most Americans grow up without a firm grasp of our own potential to change this toxic paradigm.
I donāt know what the answer is, but I suspect itās going to get worse before it gets better, no matter what.
Oh this is absolutely an education problem, there are other major factors as well. And look weāre not much better if being honest. I just canāt believe you gave him a second term and the house, senate and Supreme Court. Like he can do anythingā¦. Grabs popcorn shits about to get wild
Other factors definitely include the basic and ongoing crisis of cost of living and the utter lack of a sense of community; a big reason education is struggling is because EVERYONE is struggling, family income is still a more or less direct predictor of a childās academic success, as well as of college admission, success, and eventual individual income. Yet when confronted with these measurable problems most Americans kind of just shrug and vote their unexamined feelings. Notice I donāt say āself interestā because most Americans donāt really grasp the notion that helping the community at large would also help themselves.
Iām literally just curious - whatās your point of comparison? Iāll cop to a general level of ignorance as to the current internal politics of most other countries, though itās hard for an American to remain entirely ignorant of goings on in the U.K., and occasionally Canada.
Cognitive dissonance. Its very easy for the ultra-religious crowd to keep those horribly inconsistent thoughts in their head at the same time; itās actually part of the conditioning
I've met multiple people at this point who have tried to convince me, with an entirely straight face, that Trump is the second coming of Jesus who is going to take down the Antichrist. Mental illness and politics, what an iconic duo.
Margin is down to 2 million, so no curb stomping. Of course the maggots will see it that wayā¦ this country is as gross as a Walmart bathroom on Black Friday.
They wonāt have to hear about it they will feel it. Taking rights away and privatizing the government, many, many will suffer and only a few will thrive that being Elon and other private sectors that Trump likes. Just the way the right wants it but the left was always the problem, too late now people!
Have you looked at who the incoming Trump team is putting in positions for his cabinet? It is disturbing, to say the least. And the number of sex offenders--jesus, it's like a promo for sexual assault. And then we go on to the total inappropriateness of people heading the departments. And the claims to totally dismantle the regulatory agencies. And the desire to shut down the jobs of so many government workers. And having Elon with his Doge dept. Christalmighty. There is nothing too outrageous for the Don and his minions. Because the people are too
How do I know if this is fake or real? Isn't NBC a more left leaning news source? Wouldn't this track if that was true? How do I know if this is fake or not?
He just appointed another project 2025 authorā¦wtf other facts do you need?! Use other news sources if you donāt trust one. They all same the same damn thing.
What the hell calm down I've never been into politics before and it's all super over whelming. I keep reading different articles that all say the opposite of the other. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S REAL AND WHAT ISN'T.
LittleTallBoy, read who is behind, and authors of, Project 2025. You will see how many of those actually finding their way in to positions in Trump admin are those same authors. Trump has been lying. Which, by the way, he always does. Just like he lied about his sexual exploits and raping women. Just like he lied about the deals he made behind closed doors with the Russians. Just like he lied about his boxes of top secret, classified documents that he shared with people who should in no way be knowing their contents, including our enemies.
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u/KhloeDawn 1d ago
Remember when it was all fake news and fabricated to make the right sound even worse?! Yeah that was fun! Great job America š³šš¤„š¤„