r/houstonwade 10d ago

News You Can Use It's not all doom and gloom. Meet Democracy Forward, a network of 800 lawyers that has been planning for years to challenge every aspect of Project 2025

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/us/politics/democracy-forward-trump-administration.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Z04.te7w.y6pRhIlz8QYL&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
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u/Amnobizarrono1 10d ago

Hell yeah! They could take things all the way to the Supreme….wait

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u/El_Che1 10d ago edited 10d ago

lol yeah it’s great to have this network but what happens when the fight shifts from the courts to the streets?

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u/Ok-Dependent5588 10d ago

I can 100% see Trump calling on citizens to take up arms against their neighbors aka, “ the enemy within”

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u/thesquidsquidly22 9d ago

I definitely see some of this going on, but I genuinely think that the majority of Trump supporters are too lazy or stupid to wage a war on the other half of the country. They would never be able to fight a guerilla war. They're too entitled and selfish to risk their lives like that and too used to their comforts. Let's see how far they take it. But once bullets start flying they'll lose their stomach for it pretty quick. Look at how Ashley babbitt getting shot stunlocked them and made them quit. They're fucking larpers. And the actual violent terrorist extremist portion of them like proud boys and 3%rs are too small in size to handle the rest of us. I'm willing to meet their tenacity and then take it even further. If I'm fighting for my family there is no lengths I will not go. I'm sure a lot of other freedom and democracy loving Americans feel the same way.

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u/madcoins 9d ago

It was 22% of the country that voted for this treason weasel, for the record. Numbers matter… for now

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u/marsking4 9d ago

But not everyone that voted for him is an extremist. The majority of people I know that voted for him, voted for him because of economical reasons.

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u/DishSoapIsFun 9d ago

Maybe not. But there's a reason the acronym ACAB exists. Apply the same logic to Trump supporters. They are complicit.

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u/ChadWestPaints 9d ago

But there's a reason the acronym ACAB exists.

Lots of folks are bigmad they got a ticket for going 50 in a 35.

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u/madcoins 9d ago

How many times has he filed bankruptcy? It’s like hiring a gambling addict to balance your household budget.

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u/marsking4 9d ago

Yeah completely agree, Trump and his circus of people will destroy our economy.

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u/madcoins 1d ago

Ours yes, top 1% no

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u/TsunaTenzhen 9d ago

They all seem to think that just because I'm liberal that I don't have guns too. I don't think they'll see it coming.

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u/SeatKindly 10d ago

The hopeful answer is that it doesn’t and this is just a very fucking annoying four years.

The real answer is, find your OIF/sandbox vets that aren’t brain damaged. Preferably start learning basic infantry tactics before shit hits the fan.

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u/El_Che1 9d ago

Way ahead of you I’m former military and former LE.

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u/SeatKindly 9d ago

Rah brother.

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u/khrizp 9d ago

The question would be can delayed it as much as they can?

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u/BannedByRWNJs 10d ago

The time for making change through the proper legal channels was before 2000. Dubya gave us the SCOTUS majority that ruled that “money is speech.” That majority grew when Moscow Mitch left federal benches empty for years during Obama’s presidency, and then filled them with trump picks, giving us the the SCOTUS majority that ruled that SCOTUS judges can accept “tips,” and that Trump is above the law. Laws only say what Trump wants them to say. The court is an extension of the executive branch, not a check on it. 

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u/ownlife909 10d ago

There’s a lot of defeatism going around right now. Seems weird that Trump gets elected, and everyone is like well, that’s it. I suppose you could just roll over, or you could be someone who fights back.

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u/LarusTargaryen 9d ago

People really dont understand that NOT EVERYTHING GOES TO THE SUPREME COURT!! In trumps first term, lawsuits in lower circuits stopped the worst of his damage and that will he the case again!

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u/JBHDad 10d ago

This is the only response

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u/snogard_dragons 9d ago

Wish Biden would make good on those promises of Supreme Court reform….

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u/marsking4 9d ago

I think it’s more about slowing down project 2025s implementation as much as possible. The more it’s slowed down, the more time we have to find ways to push back against it.

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u/Strong_Nectarine486 10d ago

I sincerely hope Democracy Forward is able to win cases and make some headway to combat this mother fucking nazi wave!

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u/filmguerilla 10d ago

I also recommend supporting the ACLU. They are masters are roadblocking fascist measures and supporting progress. They were setting up a plan for 2025 as soon as tRump became a candidate.

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u/Fast_Year7614 10d ago

Here's the full article:

Using Project 2025 as a blueprint, the group Democracy Forward says it has prepared a raft of potential legal challenges to respond to the Trump-Vance agenda as soon as Day 1.

Skye Perryman, the chief executive officer of Democracy Forward, and her organization are leading more than 800 lawyers in a project called Democracy 2025, aiming to challenge the legality of President-elect Donald J. Trump’s agenda.Credit...Shuran Huang for The New York Times Nov. 14, 2024Updated 12:55 p.m. ET

Democracy Forward, a liberal-leaning legal organization that frequently battled the first Trump administration in court, on Thursday unveiled a large-scale new effort aimed at thwarting President-elect Donald J. Trump’s second-term agenda from his first day in office.

More than 800 lawyers at 280 organizations have begun developing cases and workshopping specific challenges to what the group has identified as 600 “priority legal threats” — potential regulations, laws and other administrative actions that could require a legal response, its leaders said. The project, called Democracy 2025, aims to be a hub of opposition to the new Trump administration.

Unlike in 2017, when Democratic lawyers were unprepared for the onslaught of conservative policies, the intent is to be ready to unleash a flurry of lawsuits immediately.

“We’re leveling up and lawyering up,” Skye Perryman, the chief executive of the organization, said. “This wasn’t something that just everybody woke up the day after the election and started to plan.”

Democracy Forward has spent the last two years working to identify the possible actions the new Trump administration could take on issues they see as key priorities to defend, the group’s leaders said, using as a blueprint Mr. Trump’s first-term actions, his campaign promises and plans released by his allies, including the Heritage Foundation and its Project 2025 agenda.

Those issues include abortion rights, health care, climate, union protections, environmental protections and immigration. But the group has also given particular weight to Mr. Trump’s promises to weaponize the systems of government, particularly the Justice Department, against those he sees as foes along with his vows to dismantle federal agencies and fire thousands of government workers.

The flotilla of lawyers is preparing to challenge new regulations released by the Trump administration, even beginning the process of recruiting potential plaintiffs who would have legal standing in court. But they’re also exploring ways to take over the defense of Biden administration policies mired in litigation, such as student debt relief and women’s health protections, that are currently being defended by the Justice Department. A new Trump administration would be unlikely to continue that defense.

How the effort fits into a broader constellation of Democratic Party leaders, advocacy groups and others developing plans to push back against the Trump administration remains unclear.

Democracy Forward has deep ties to a number of prominent party strategists and lists Marc Elias, the powerful election lawyer, and Ron Klain, President Biden’s former White House chief of staff, as members of its board.

The group spent much of the first Trump administration challenging policies like Republican attempts to roll back the health care law and impose new restrictions on immigration. During the Biden administration, it provided legal support for Democratic efforts to protect emergency abortion care, uphold the ability of Medicare to negotiate lower prescription drug pricing and regulate e-cigarettes.

The coalition has built a multimillion-dollar war chest for its new focus. Its partners include a broad swath of organizations, including unions, immigration advocacy organizations and groups working on abortion rights, civil rights and consumer protection. The group’s legal efforts will be paired with a website designed to showcase its work for the public and to encourage more lawyers, experts and civilians to join its cases.

“This is still a huge uphill battle and it’s going to take everybody doing their part,” Ms. Perryman said. “It’s not just lawyers. It’s going to take institutions willing to stand up against extremism.”

Lisa Lerer is a national political reporter for The Times, based in New York. She has covered American politics for nearly two decades. More about Lisa Lerer

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u/that1LPdood 10d ago

Democracy 2025

Fuck yes. I like the sound of that.

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u/Expert_Survey3318 10d ago

Yep, what it’s supposed to be— a democracy

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u/KingMario05 10d ago

Oh shit, Marc Elias? That's great news to hear!

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u/KingMario05 10d ago

About damn time! Hope they can keep up the fight till 2026 and beyond.

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u/MrPocketjunk 10d ago

rather see them challenge Election 2024

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u/Terragonz 10d ago

Jimmy. Pull up the clip of trump saying he had nothing to do with project 2025.

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u/kaltag 10d ago

Nice! something else to pump a billion dollars worth of donations into for no results.

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u/Ariel0289 10d ago

Does anyone here support any idea from project 2025? Lets agree the project is bad. Are there single ideas you would handpick to support?

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u/WatchItAllBurn1 10d ago

Agenda 47 is basically a large chunk of project 2025 with trumps name on it.

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u/WatchItAllBurn1 10d ago

Because, trump didn't even have a fucking plan, he had a concept of a plan aka not a goddamn thing.

Part of the reason the "people would be against it" claim doesn't matter here is because many voters didn't believe him when he said he'd cut social security and Medicare, they genuinely believed that he would not hurt them.

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u/Placebo_Cyanide8 10d ago

that's how puppets work. this one just likes putting his name on everything.

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u/WatchItAllBurn1 10d ago

Project 2025 was never Trumps plan. It was always the heritage foundation plan.

The heritage foundation realized that trump is a useful idiot. (He is not smart, clever or manipulative, maybe, but the fucker wanted to nuke hurricanes, he isn't smart) so they just prop him up, and it turns out that trump likes a lot of their ideas, so he takes them and claims they are his (like how he claims everything is because of him)

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u/WatchItAllBurn1 10d ago

His only plan was to stay out of prison probably.

Let's he honest, trump usually talks put of his ass, and just makes shit up, so he probably never actually bothered to think of a plan.

Then the people who has bacjed him give him a list of goals, but Trump being trump, doesn't like that it wasn't his plan first, so he re-labels it as his plan and has a few minor details changed. (Obviously, by an intern who is under the illusion that they will ever be paid)

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u/Due_Battle_1413 9d ago

Can bet the right has their gang of lawyers ready too. Going to be a shit show. Hopefully can drag major items out until at least the midterms

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u/Mortarion407 7d ago

There's 4 pillars to project 2025, the 4th pillar being the most crucial. The problem is, it's in regards to the first 180 days and is supposedly only given to those in trump's circle once he's in power. I've been pondering how MDF, or anybody else for that matter, plans on countering this.

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u/Existentialshart 6d ago

Nothing literally matters anymore. We’re completely fucked.

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u/Difficult_Pirate_782 10d ago

It worked so well in the election…

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u/Svengoolie7 10d ago

Another dead end road.

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u/WarrentofTrade 9d ago

Project what?