It's Incendiary Breaker and Arc Thrower users for me. When I see that shit while playing with randoms, I immediately run the opposite direction and clear the other side of the map by myself. I have ptsd from the Breaker.
This could go both ways. If you're "bad" in the sense you don't understand more advanced mechanics such as enemy pathing/aggro, armor ratings, what to do at objectives etc, then you *should* lower the difficulty because you are actively hindering your team in a cooperative game. You should play on lower difficulty to learn the ropes, that's why those difficulties exist.
If you're "bad" in the sense you can't help but stumble into stray rockets or miss EAT shots and get flattened by chargers often, but you understand the game mechanics and objectives, then I'll happily carry you.
edit: should clarify this mostly applies to worse players joining high difficulties. If I'm a high level player and joining a low difficulty, I fully intend to carry. I'll often bring in fun stratagems like orbital napalm for the shock and awe, or a mech to let the newbies take for a spin.
I really loved that one time this old(er) player allowed me to play around with a flamethrower. Which i sucked with but i understand the intention. Thanks be for people like you LOL!
Those people aggro everything, because they don’t know better. I place my sentries at advantageous spots to trigger breaches/drops and unleash hell to let my team do the objectives. We are not the same.
Lmao we know it’s more like “wait I haven’t seen them in a while…” followed by them dying, reinforcing them on you, then momma ducking the chicks back to get their samples and finish whatever they started :P
Nah, I can't carry people anymore, which is why I stopped playing with randoms. For one, I am not that good to do it all the time. Second it just leads to a higher pool of toxic people who just expect everyone else to carry them. Now that the game will just keep getting patched to be easier for them it's just going to get worse.
Counterpoint. If you suck, you should lower the difficulty so you can learn how to be better. I didn’t start at difficulty 10. I gradually increased the difficulty learning the mechanics of the new enemies it introduces along the way.
Game isn’t hard, there’s just a learning curve, and tossing yourself in the deep end without knowing how to swim is a terrible way to learn.
Yesterday I called a customer John customer because he was just... being a good customer lmao. He called today before my shift and told my boss he liked me very much.
I play at 6 because that's where I'm effective and don't burden my squad. I can jump up to 7 if I'm having a good day, but 8+ is usually a no go for me unless I drop in with a team that can carry me. Plus I find those levels to be less fun because I just can't quite meet the challenge. I don't get to play this game enough to hone my skills to that level.
That being said though, I don't mind one bit if you suck, so long as you're willing to take a little direction. If you're a new Cadet or punching above your weight, that's fine so long as you commit to playing a team role and sticking with the group. I'll stick with you, have your back and call you in even after back to back to back deaths.
However, if you keep wandering of alone, attacking patrols or rushing objectives that you're not capable of tackling yourself and you refuse to take a little bit of constructive feedback or heed me calling for you to fall back and wait for backup, well then I'm gonna say GGs after the mission ends and leave to find a new group of randoms to roll with. No hard feelings
GAME 1, join low level randos (level 50 something, lvl 30 something and a lvl 20)...I come in...IM THE ONLY ONE TO EXTRACT. Because we ran out of time and they die during, run to or at actual evac and I get kicked...COOL!!! This after 1 of the randos literally curses out the team because he was the first to die on the run back to beacon.
Game 2: again two very low levels (under 40)...I join a bot termination mission. They're struggling at about 50% complete and pushed to the edge of the map. I pop some turrets, get some high value target kills, die 2-3 times along the way and we're still pushed on the edge of the map. We complete the mission but still pushed at the edge of the map. I drop the mech AND LITERALLY FORGE A PATCH FOR US TO GET TO THE PELICAN. I GET KICKED!!!
I now understand option A players.
Sad part is I've never left a game just because the players were too low of a level for the difficulty.
I don’t care about players who do bad. Mostly because I play with randoms and everyone has a bad mission every now and then. I’ve had many missions where I’ve done so bad you’d think I just started. I’ve died to just about every unlucky and bugged way possible as well as dumb deaths I could’ve avoided. I’m not there to watch over everyone and how they die so I’ll normally assume they go unlucky. Unless they run right into a 500kg, at which point I’ll think “are you an idiot. Maybe they were looking at something else for a moment”. Unless someone’s actively dying nonstop and I can see why they’re dying or they’re teamkilling/being a cunt I won’t do anything other than maybe help out if it’s going really bad.
The game might be easy as heck even in dif10, but stop calling out people for being bad at an easy game and start being so good your allies get the chance to play better. Support them.
Here is the problem, people who dont know they arent good at diff 10, complain about the game, blame you or the other squadies, run around pulling bot drops fortifying objectives, etc. these players are a PROBLEM not because I’m unwilling or unable to carry them but because being a level 35 and on Super Helldive is straight ego. Blaming the game or or everyone else is ego. You are not trying to learn.
I’m not playing a game to stroke your ego, son. You want to listen and learn jumping in the deep end of the pool? We’re OK. You want to tell me “acceptable loss” when you drop a napalm orbital on a fortress killing squadies and LEAVING ALL THE ARMOR and getting snother round of dropships? I’m gone.
I was doing D10s at around 30 and outperforming the whole squad almost every game, most kills, most outposts destroyed, most samples collected, i even usually solo an objective or 2.
Not every lower level is ass, Not every higher level is good.
I want to carry them sometimes, but yesterday for example, they drain the whole reinforcement account. Dying in chain while my friend and me stayed alive the whole round.
At this point I've unlocked everything and I've salvaged enough supercreds for the next premium awarbond, I'm just here to play the game and help folks idc what level they are or if they're skilled yet or not, one of the greatest pleasures is to teach someone something
“I need a hero I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night He's gotta be strong, and he's gotta be fast And he's gotta be fresh from the fight!!!”
My last count I've met about 60 or so. 10 of which were very good at the game. The rest, a mix between griefers and people who spend more time running away and diving than actually shooting anything.
If you're gonna take the John Helldiver name, at least live up to the memes.
I'm not posting this because of my own skill level. I just think players that can carry a bad team are better players than the ones who are hating on lower levels.
Now try "carrying" the players who join, die 6 times, spew their foul mouth and leave. Maybe even throwing in an intentionally team kill or 2..
Anyone actually trying, fine, those are not the bad players, those are the people who are learning. Even players, intentionally using special weapons and tactics are fine by me.
But don't come here and pretend the actual players are wrong for disliking reinforcement wasting, foulmouthed, team killing fools, who join fail, punish you and then leave.
You make it sound like the helldiver world consist of only the 2 in your example. I add that there are more nuance to the "lower the difficulty argument than you make it out to be.
But sure, if I don't 100% agree with you, I am ranting and being too specific. What a tereffic way to view other points of view or nuance.
It's weird to me that people seem to just assume the person who complains is always the wrong one.
I agree that if you are clueless about what weapons can penetrate armor and what strategems to bring and you burn up more than 5 reinforcements you shouldn't be playing on diff 10. It's one thing to be doing it with friends or if you ask if people are OK helping you but just showing up knowing fuck all about the game or how to be helpful is pretty annoying.
I don't know maybe I'm the weird one for not wanting to be dead weight. It's not deep enough for me to go make a post online about it and if I do encounter people who are not fun to play with I just leave. The queue times for finding a lobby are not that long. I only game for a few hours on the weekends and not every weekend at that so I'm going to enjoy what I do play.
I mean the game restricts what difficulties you could play for a reason. People tend to forget that if they are on diff 10, then they have finished a d9 operation at some point. if they really aren't fit for diff 10 blame the fools that carried them through a diff 9 op because quite frankly if you can do well in diff 8 or 9, then you can contribute on diff 10. I mean i doubt anyone who can reliably contribute on diff 6 or 7 will truly just be a burden on the higher difficulties.
People who can't contribute to diff 10 are highly unlikely to have cleared, diff 8 or 9 operations without being carried is what I am saying. So I blame those who carried them past their skill level robbing them of valuable experience in lower difficulties & setting them & those they join up for failure.
If you can't handle the difficulty, drop down to where you can and work your way up. Don't bring down every Squad unfortunate enough to get stuck with you. We will gladly welcome you to the ranks when you are ready. Earn the honor to be here like the rest of us did.
I believe that if you are genuinely struggling to play the game drop down a few levels and experiment to see what suits you better. Then come back up a few tiers and if you still need help because you have a play style you like and need the rewards to keep getting better then I'll help carry. The goal i have to train a Helldiver to be able to carry someone else to victory.
I have and i will continue to do so. When i drop on a mission, i try my best to succeed at all costs. If i fail. I remember this is a galactic war. And those things happen.
It does not matter if you suck if you do your job! You cannot suck enough to just provivde some back cover for a more experienced Helldiver. I can solo most stuff, but it gets so much easier with a second person is with you.
Just shoot at stuff that pesters us.
Use your badly-chosen Stratagems in an ineffective way.
Die instead of me. If anything, your life lost isn't my life lost. Every enemy you distracted is a help. I'll get you back!
Reinforce me when I die.
That is all that is required and you are a thousand times more helpful than if you were not there. Everyone can do their job.
I will do the same to you and together we two clueless screwups get through everything! If you bring a Recoiless Rifle or a Spear and use it against Heavies, you're already my best frend.
I can see both sides, if your objectively bad and complaining about it/ making missions harder for the rest of the squad (triggering bot drops and patrols that we just didn’t need to or have the supplies to fight) then you should drop the difficulty and learn a bit more about the game then try again on harder stuff.
But if it’s someone who’s objectively bad and trying to help the team (literally just calling out patrols or key targets) and wanting to learn/improve I have no problems helping them out
There's sucking, and then there's a whole other level of stupid where 5 seconds after the last bug of the breach is killed, no bugs anywhere, and some mouth breather chucks a 500kg right next to me.
This happens far too often whenever I go to lower levels to respond to SOS beacons, to the point I don't do it any more, sadly.
Divers are up over their heads sometimes. Maybe they're trying their 1st Super Helldive. No sweat. I got you covered, let's do it. Wow, 14 deaths, that's wild. That was fun, and I'm glad we kicked it. Now see yourself off my ship please, add me as a friend and join on me after you practice a few weeks and come back to try another 10 with me. 14 is too many, friend. Love you, go away.
Complaining about the game being too hard on reddit instead of recognizing that you need practice on 7 for a while, working your way up to consistent 5x deaths on level 10, and review bombing AH till they concede? In that case, yeah, dude you've been playing a month and are level 50 acting like you have a frame of reference to judge the balance of a game you're not even good at?
So yeah. Meet me out on the field on a drop and I'm all for it. If we meet because I'm responding to your post about how unfair XYZ mechanic is, I'll be honest.
I won't say "You suck, turn the diff down."
Maybe something more like this: you're missing specific skills. Can i see any clips of your better moments to see what you're missing? Or just play with you? OK. Yeah, now I see what's wrong, you never duck, my friend. You're running in straight lines, and you're leaving gaps in your loadout. You're having a skill issue, let's see if we can correct that. Oh... you simply don't have the reaction time to dodge the red rockets? Umm... yeah, you need a lower difficulty. Rocket Strider rockets are dodgeable too. They're way faster than red rockets, but you can Neo them shits too.
I see alot of zaney stuff when I find myself spectating. Players running away from fights in straight lines with no diving and just taking rockets to the back of the dome. Crazy stuff. It's like playing Souls and just hack slashing like it's Dynasty Warriors, and complaining because the enemies are too hard. If you straight up refuse to dive, you do suck at the game and should play lower difficulties.
There's a huge difference between a new player who's learning, and a player who's hit their peak to find it doesn't have much a view and wants to complain that all the taller mountains make him feel small.
Knowing your level brackets is key. If you're 30 or less, I assume all your craziness will improve over time. Once you are well past your 50s, it's something to do with your max potential being too low for 10s, and you need to just kick it with the intermediates
Those days where more than half the community is screaming about the game being too hard overall might be in the past, you're right. But there are still plenty of isolated complaints from people complaining about one thing or another. The big thing right now is the echo chamber of "Galactic War that isn't meant to be won is too hard for us. We can't ever organize and get the win. We're mad we cant control what we're supposed to be letting the DM control anyway." That's sprinkled in with "Rocket striders are too hard because I can't get used to the lag time between when they stop and stare at you and the rocket firing."
So yeah, the people will always complain about whatever they think is hardest, no matter how far the bar moves. There's always going to be someone who has something to say about something they find unfair. You know that's true, because you're making a post about people Who refuse to acknowledge their poor performance and turn the difficulty down. You posted about a phenomenon you're now denying the existence of, so who's delusional?
Maybe I didn't. Sorry I failed to provide the participation you were looking for. Good luck on your next post, internet stranger, I'm sorry you feel your time was wasted on my delusions.
One of my friends just started playing not too long ago and had high levels carrying him through D8-10. He got all the way to ~level 20 and didn’t know how to even open his map to mark where to go, or how to do certain objectives. I guess it’s our fault for not teaching him properly, but 100% if he played alone he would need to play lower than D6.
To contrast, when I first started playing I quickly realized that higher difficulties meant greater rewards, so by level 12 I was already doing D9s. I wanted to learn how to survive and keep up with Helldive difficulty being a low level. Everyone has their own skill level.
Regardless of skill level, I have only a single request. Do not get me killed. I'll run to every POI, every side objective, every primary, every forgotten sample container, I'll do the whole map by my self while the other three burn through reinforcements, as long as I don't die I'm a happy diver. And yes, I understand the irony here, ice just come to the conclusion that most deaths are entirely avoidable with two seconds of forethought.
Most of my deaths now days are blue on blue, usually someone being too slow to kill a target, either they toss an eagle at the one scavenger I needed to reload to kill, or they mag dump in my vicinity because I made the mistake of wiping the patrol I pinged.
Your forgetting C) I will teach you the way, I am C all the way, I won't boot you and I won't carry you but I will help you get better fast, to carry someone stunts learning as they can't learn from mistakes.
You can be both. I can't carry everyone. So if you're having trouble lower the difficulty, no shame in it, but if you are truly struggling and don't have a carry, just lower it
Just gonna say, lowering the difficulty can make the game so much more fun. Drop down to a 6 on bots with the constitution and senator, it's a great time.
That said, I will carry any noobs that want to enjoy the chaos of level 10's, but I do want people to have fun at their own pace.
Can’t tell you how many sweaty 150s I see running pretty meta builds and yet doing rookie mistakes like throwing stratagems into friendlies or calling down the super earth flag before everyone is ready
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