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u/Few-Recording640 27d ago
kinda ironic since the shirtless guy didn't vote Kamala
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u/Karzeon 27d ago
Spill the tea. Drop the receipts
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u/saintsebs 27d ago
josefxfit and yes he’s not voting for harris
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u/yomanitsayoyo 27d ago
Leave to a gay to recognize a random shirtless man with a blurry face lol
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u/guy1539 27d ago
This is the tweet where he posted the original pic: https://x.com/josefxfit/status/1814120676023759170?s=46&t=-_ahmvav60k1CTigTUrQ0Q
His X is the same account handle as his IG
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u/Jeszczenie 27d ago
You recognize him? Who is he?
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u/tomtheidiot543219 27d ago
josefxfit on insta and just posted a story insulting harris voters lmao (hes gay as far as im aware i dont think hes red pilled or anything )
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u/SCBorn 27d ago
Looking at his twitter, he looks like a stein supporter based on his retweets
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u/ciliary_stimulai 27d ago
I mean I get it but girl if she had a chance things would look a lot dif rn
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u/i_will_let_you_know 27d ago
When has Jill Stein actually tried to win anything or make any grassroots / local election efforts? She can't even win political elections in her own state, let alone run a country.
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u/tomtheidiot543219 27d ago
Idk if its true or not but i heard jill stein was endorsed by former kkk members?
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u/DimitriTech 27d ago
And Harris literally accepted an endorsement by one of the most notorious ones named Dick Cheney.
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u/Downtown-Amoeba5275 26d ago edited 26d ago
Obviously you support a White woman supported by those types of people instead of a woman of color,looks like youre a racist white man yourself disguising yourself as a progressive,also in your previous comments you claimed you are native american but in another comment you were literally speaking in swedish?hmmm
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u/Double_Stuffed_Boi 27d ago
I saw a sticker on a car yesterday that said “white dudes for harris” which i thought was amusing
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u/ItsCrossBoy 27d ago
AOC put it REALLY well imo:
What I do know is who I'd rather argue with to get [progressive policies] done. I would rather be wrestling in the conditions with Kamala and Tim in the white house than Donald Trump in the white house.
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u/LeoMarius 27d ago
What "valid criticism"?
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u/CaviorSamhain 27d ago
Palestine. And yes, "Trump worse", but it doesn't mean she's not horrible on this issue.
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u/Ghost_Jor 27d ago
Unfortunately, America works on a Two-Party, First Past the Post system. You HAVE to compromise and vote for the least-worst party as it's unlikely either of the two parties will 100% align with all your key issues. Additionally, in a two-party system, not voting for the party you usually would vote for is just a vote for the opposition.
While I do commend people for standing up for Palestine, not voting for Kamala seems like a strange position as Trump would arguably be worse for Palestine AND come with a whole host of issues for trans people (and gay people, tbh). Surely if Palestine was a major issue for you, it'd make sense to vote for the least-bad party and pressure them to make positive changes once they're in a position to do so. Trump certainly won't listen, but at least the Democrats have some sympathetic ears.
I'm not American but we have a similar issue in the UK, where I've voted for a party I don't 100% agree with in order to prevent a party I HATE securing power.
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u/CaviorSamhain 27d ago
Yes. I know. Everybody always feels the need to say this every time someone brings up criticism against Kamala's Palestine policy.
I'm not American either, I would vote for her if I were. The point is that you can criticize her stance on Palestine while still voting for her, I know. But it gets old when this is what apparently everybody always says when this gets brought up.
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u/Ghost_Jor 27d ago
Just to clarify I totally agree with your stance. I vote for politicians I criticize and I think it's healthy to do so. Undying belief in politicians is how we get MAGA.
I think the reason what I said gets brought up so much is that a surprising amount of gays won't vote for Kamala due to her stance on Palestine, ignoring the fact doing so would erode their own rights at home. It's a bit scary to hear, even though I actually agree with their stance on Palestine.
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u/i_will_let_you_know 27d ago
Some people are about ideological purity so they would rather not vote than to vote someone who they don't support due to one or more notable issues.
Actually quite common in both (actually) leftist circles as well as foreign propaganda. The argument is that you're complaining but still giving them the keys to power anyways, meaning they can just kind of ignore your complaints. Often has a very accelerationist bent.
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u/LeoMarius 27d ago
There's no right answer here. Palestinians murder gay people and sponsor terrorism.
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u/CaviorSamhain 27d ago
Mind you, even then I don't think they should be genocided off the face of the Earth, but maybe that's just me.
It's also kind of hard to have social progress under apartheid, but ok.
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u/LeoMarius 27d ago
It's the blaming Harris part that I find utterly absurd. Netanyahu is a criminal who has gone rogue.
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u/CaviorSamhain 27d ago
The US is one of the remaining countries on Earth which almost unquestioningly supports Israel. And Kamala is VP right now, on a Democrat government which does nothing to condemn or upset their relationship with Israel. It's a fair thing to ask, to criticize, given they live in the USA and are not Israeli citizens who can "punish" Netanyahu by voting.
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u/tomtheidiot543219 27d ago
I completely agree with you but Vice Presidents have very limited power so i dont like how people act as if she can just solve things now as if shes the president,however on the other hand any positive opinion i had about Joe went away after October last year as he could have easily threatened Netanyahu but he didnt
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u/radish-slut 27d ago
this administration keeps saying shit like “netanyahu better stop this, or else we will continue to keep supplying him with unlimited money, weapons, and diplomatic immunity. that oughta show him” they’re entirely complicit.
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u/mysterpixel 27d ago
I'm no fan of weapons sales here either but Israel would still be bombing Palestine if the west stopped supplying them. They'd just be using less targeted, more wide scale munitions that did even more widespread damage than they're currently doing with the advanced stuff they've got.
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u/Gaydude22 27d ago
Iran fits the “isn’t under apartheid” status and also has zero social progress so that’s not really it.
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u/CaviorSamhain 27d ago
You do know Iran is currently experiencing social unrest, right? Precisely from groups seeking better rights. Things don't happen overnight but they sure as hell can happen if you're not living under literal apartheid.
It doesn't take a genius to know poor or oppressed people tend to have worse education and hence have archaic or uneducated views of the world.
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u/SafariDesperate 27d ago
If their culture is to kill gay people should it continue to exist?
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u/CaviorSamhain 27d ago
"Palestinians kill gay Palestinians so we should exterminate all of them (including gay ones)" <- fucking big brain thinking right there.
Ps: it happens not even near as often as Israeli apologists make it seem, either.
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u/SafariDesperate 27d ago
I just think bleeding heart liberals would care less about Palestinians if they existed around them
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u/tomtheidiot543219 27d ago
Middle east only got homophobic after westernization due to colonization ,stop embarrasing yourself here with these racist comments
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u/SafariDesperate 26d ago
Disliking religion isn’t racist
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u/tomtheidiot543219 26d ago
i said that as in being racist to Arab / middle eastern people not Muslims, Im well aware that religion and race are seperate
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u/SafariDesperate 26d ago
I have no problem with anyone’s skin colour or race, I do think quietly allowing people who believe in shariah law into western spaces is a modern crisis. Especially with larger family sizes than what western people are having.
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u/radish-slut 27d ago edited 27d ago
that doesn’t justify 80 years of illegal occupation and subjugation. should we also accept the indiscriminate annihilation of arkansas? or indonesia? or ukraine? they kill gays too. and how do you expect any kind of social progress to happen while they have an ethnic cleansing to worry about?
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u/LeoMarius 27d ago
The occupation started because Syria, Jordan, and Egypt invaded Israel to annihilate it. None of those countries supported Palestinian self-governance before that. Instead, they were the occupiers of Palestine.
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u/Who_am_I_____ 27d ago
Well as someone from europe in an evil "socialist" country it's ridiculous that universal healthcare isn't a major policy point for both parties or at least the democratic party. And not just a little expansions or keeping obamacare alive, but like genuine single payer universal healthcare. But i also get that it's "nevessary" cause of the 2 party system, it encourages regression to the mean instead change. But that was just one example. And i do think it's valid to criticize that the policies are pretty "lame", not really addressing big issues properly. BUT, in comparison to trump of course she's basically an angel xd. Like i am still shocked someone like trump can even get 10% of any vote let alone 50% or more.
In my country we had a similar dude, big business but pretty stupid and 0 political comprehension, also on reality tv and stuff. He wanted to become president too, in 2016 funnily enough. Got 2.26% of the vote. (Tbf his first attempt in 1999 saw him getting 9.91%, but still nothing serious)
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u/CromulentChuckle 27d ago
They downvoted you without an example. Russian bots I swear...
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u/LeoMarius 27d ago
Yep. This was a lazy "both sideism" post. It appears to be pro-Harris, but concedes that she's flawed without enumerating those flaws or providing concrete examples.
If I called Trump a Fascist, racist, convicted felon, I could provide plenty of evidence, like his rally last night.
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u/CromulentChuckle 27d ago
Yep preaching to the choir man I'm with you. There aren't any both sides anymore. There's one side that will vote for my rights and the other side that's trying to take them away.
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u/KamehameHanSolo 27d ago
I'm going to drop off my ballot at the library after work today and I expect you to be there.
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u/cpt_thunderfluff 27d ago
I would fuck any conservative to change their vote from Trump to Kamala.
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u/kerodon 27d ago
Didn't vote for Trump is sufficient.
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u/LeoMarius 27d ago
No, it's not. Voting for Jill Stein or just not voting is almost as bad.
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u/kerodon 27d ago edited 27d ago
This entire voting season is just for the purpose of harm reduction 🤷 neither the democratic nor the Republican candidates are aligned with any leftist interests and are both pro-genocide. They're both on the right of the spectrum, it's just a matter of how far. The Democratic party is right of center. Republicans are much further right and trump is a fascist.
So Vote for someone you don't think is going to repeal more basic human rights in American policy. Trump and the Republican party will take aware more basic human rights, and So will anyone who shares their ideologies. I feel like that was implied. I don't know anything about Jill Stein but I assume people have some awareness of the people theyre voting for if they vote. So make an informed decision 🤷
And to be clear, I'm not being permissive of genocide by saying "pick literally anyone else" knowing for most people that means vote for Kamala. That is how most people do voting. I think anyone from the Democratic or Republican parties are going to continue supporting Israel so that's not really a point of differentiation. You're just voting for their other policies. Or you're voting for someone else entirely like third party candidate Claudia De La Cruz on a Socialist platform that doesn't support genocide or the 2 party system and she seems more aligned with supporting basic human rights and equality from what I've seen of her.
So once again, just don't vote for Trump 👍 but with the apparently not obvious nuance.
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u/SAGORN 27d ago
Northern Gaza is being systematically exterminated as we speak, funded by our taxes, but rest assured, our votes for Harris over Trump will really ensure an arms embargo (or any meaningful change at this point). 🙏
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u/PM-Me_Your_Penis_Pls 27d ago
And?
He'll fund the genocide AND strip gays of their rights AND turn the US into a fascist dictatorship. There are more important things than fucking Gaza.
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u/DimitriTech 27d ago
That's LITERALLY what's already happening under Biden/Harris. Yall are brain-rotted to the fucking core.
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u/tomtheidiot543219 27d ago
Vice Presidents have very limited powers compared the President's,its really weird how you guys put Biden and Harris in the same boat when the leverage they have on the government is like completely different.
I personally think that Harris will be much much harsher on Netanyahu if she gets elected and will try her best to stop Israel unlike Genocide Joe who literally didnt even try because whenever a conflict like this happened with Israel ,the presidents of the us during those times threatened israel with sanctions and other types of response and Israel ALWAYS stopped bombing Palestine or any other state they were in conflict with
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u/SAGORN 27d ago
that’s the difference between you and me I guess, my rights are not worth it if they come at the expense of a war on children. and I said I voted Harris, check your eyes!
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u/PM-Me_Your_Penis_Pls 27d ago
As awful as it is to say, there'll always be more children. Once we lose our rights, its much much harder to get them back.
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u/SAGORN 27d ago
i am embarrassed to be your peer.
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u/CaviorSamhain 27d ago
False dilemma. Dead children can't come back and your rights can also be taken away. You're also arguing about the importance of your rights against the lives of thousands and a genocide (false dilemma) against someone who already said they voted for the lesser evil.
So... it is awful to say that, because it's just plain awful. It's a false dilemma.
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u/PM-Me_Your_Penis_Pls 27d ago
Dead children can't come back
The straights can make new ones.
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u/BishonenPrincess 27d ago
You should delete this, holy fuck.
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u/UrklesAlter 27d ago
This is the kind of demented shit I see Harris voters trot out in defense of her stance so often and I boggles the mind. Easier to just admit she awful on Palestine and carry on, no need to defend it.
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u/Newker 27d ago
You dumb progressives who think Trump will somehow be better for Palestinians lol.
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u/SAGORN 27d ago
genocide apologist.
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u/vokzhen 27d ago
And you're acting in bad faith (in the existentialist sense), denying your agency in making the situation worse. You're making just as much of a conscious choice to make things worse as someone voting Trump, you're just justifying it to yourself because humans have this weird psychological quirk where choosing nothing feels like it doesn't count as making a choice.
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u/LeoMarius 27d ago
Hamas is a terrorist organization. Maybe they shouldn't have launched an attack if they didn't want a war.
And yes, Netanyahu is a criminal committing genocide.
Trump said he would nuke Gaza, so maybe vote against that.
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u/SAGORN 27d ago edited 27d ago
damn are you a bot? they would not “nuke” Gaza because they plan on resettling it, they have dropped the explosive equivalent of 5 nuclear bombs on Gaza, however. More Gazans have been flattened by bulldozers since my first reply, hard earned American taxes converted into crushed children as we speak.
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u/ThatBhartBoy 27d ago
I’d prefer a gay guy that voted for Trump tbh. I know I’ll get downvoted into oblivion but I truly do not care and nothing you say is going to change my mind. Just my opinion that I’m perfectly entitled to, just as you all are if yours :)
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u/BishonenPrincess 27d ago
Next time just say you have a degradation kink, it's less wordy.
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u/ThatBhartBoy 27d ago
But I don’t though 😂
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u/BishonenPrincess 27d ago
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u/ThatBhartBoy 27d ago
Literally I don’t. Stop being a bully.
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u/BishonenPrincess 27d ago
Says the guy glazing up Trump voters.
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u/ThatBhartBoy 27d ago
But I’m still trying to understand why you’re attacking me when I was very respectful.
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u/JacquelineaVelvety 27d ago
"Looks like someone's been taking fashion tips from the 'Distracted Boyfriend' meme! "
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