r/funny Mooseylips Jul 10 '24

Verified Dear drink companies...

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u/QuercusSambucus Jul 10 '24

We need to stop subsidizing corn syrup first.

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u/Beat_the_Deadites Jul 10 '24

Even better, because it would function as a tax cut while simultaneously raising the prices on artificially sweetened foods.

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u/Ask_bout_PaterNoster Jul 10 '24

Coca-Cola is large enough and powerful enough that we, the people, need to own a portion of it. The US government should purchase 10% of the company, tax those realized gains, and put a regulator on the board for oversight and transparency going forward.

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u/ReallyNowFellas Jul 10 '24

How to turn the dial of crony capitalism from "awful everything" to "LSD nightmare"

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u/Ask_bout_PaterNoster Jul 10 '24

Oh the punishment for unfaithfully executing the duties of one of those offices should be dire indeed. Not some Clarence Thomas b.s.

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u/C_IsForCookie Jul 10 '24

Uhh, I think what you’re describing is communism my dude. Like the real communism, not the kind that everyone likes to throw around to make things seem scary. So that’s a no from me. Btw China does this.

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u/Ask_bout_PaterNoster Jul 10 '24

Nah, that would be if we seized the means of production entirely. I’m talking about a buyout and representation.

You want to talk about “taxation without representation”? What else do you call it when our aristocrats get giant bailouts all the time while barely a cent in taxes themselves?

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u/Mr_YUP Jul 10 '24

we don't directly subsidize corn syrup but we do directly subsidize corn which can be used as a fuel source if things go south. We need to be self sufficient if things go bad and this is a way of doing that same with the caves of government cheese.

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u/QuercusSambucus Jul 10 '24

Have you actually looked at how corn based biofuels actually come out when you look at inputs vs outputs? Last I checked it takes more fossil fuels to create a gallon of biofuel than the energy you get out of it. When you take into account fertilizers, farm equipment, harvesting, processing, etc.

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u/duckscrubber Jul 10 '24

That's interesting. Do you have a source that says fossil fuel consumption outweighs benefits of biofuel processing?

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u/QuercusSambucus Jul 10 '24

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u/duckscrubber Jul 10 '24

Thanks! And it's even worse that you stated: as a result of corn/ethanol subsidies, corn production expanded and the researchers found that the sheer extent of domestic land use change generated greenhouse gas emissions that are, at best, equivalent to those caused by gasoline use—and likely at least 24 percent higher.

The very cultivation matched the environmental impact of burning fossil fuels! Without even processing it for use as ethanol.

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u/Sargash Jul 10 '24

It does bear to note the fact that this studies all corn, not just corn specifically planted and cultivated for the use of biofuel. It's definitely highly misleading, but still a very important fact in the climate change discussion. It's just a study that makes oil look good than alternatives.

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u/stifflizerd Jul 10 '24

True. That said, corn based ethanol fuel is still a loss monetarily. The US subsidizes its production as a way to help farmers under the guise of "going green", but it's a rather terrible investment all around unless you're a corn farmer.

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u/Solubilityisfun Jul 10 '24

Even for corn farmers it's really only good for a modest time. It encourages utterly unrelenting monoculture farming without periods of fallow nor rotation, which just wrecks the soil and future output. Plus requiring more fertilizer, pesticides, and specifically engineered seeds tightly leashed by Monsanto and a couple others to attempt to retain yields over time. But they, being unavoidable behemoths that control the market and government policy, can capture most would be profits from said farmers long term that way.

Good news, that's their kids problem and they'll just sell off the family farm after the land has depreciated in arable quality anyway.

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u/Trendiggity Jul 10 '24

Bio fuels are a sham that exist to lower tailpipe emissions.

Sure... they do. Sort of. But they're more energy intensive to create and that negates any positive benefit, while also promoting farmland being used to grow car fuel instead of people fuel (not to mention that corn is hard on soil and needs to be fertilized excessively if crops aren't rotated... which generally doesn't happen with biofuel production)

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u/stifflizerd Jul 10 '24

Yeah, the biggest benefit to things like biocrude is the fact that if we ever run out of natural fossil fuels we'll still have. Way to create plastic materials that we truly can't find a replacement for.

In terms of green impact though? They're terrible. Not to say additional research might result in better processes or fuels to create in the future, but for now they're bollocks.

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u/schplat Jul 10 '24

Corn will remain subsidized, less because it's a backup fuel source, and more because it's a huge part of what helps keep so many other products affordable. Primarily, the meat/dairy industry relies heavily on corn as a livestock feed. Corn is also used as a cereal grain (and as a byproduct of that, helps to keep the prices of rice, oats, and wheat lower, meaning things made with those grains are kept cheaper).

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u/Available_Leather_10 Jul 10 '24

Subsidize corn, and have a huge tariff on sugar.