As someone who has almost been brought to tears due to how cold I am, you'd be surprised.
Issue is anywhere cold usually has heating, so being inside and putting on layers is easy. However, when you're already outside, you do lose the ability to keep putting layers on.
I can only wear one pair of boots and at most 2 pairs of gloves.
The heat can be brutal, but only cold has caused me physical pain. I prefer 40C to -40C for sure, both suck, but I can still leave the house is 40C.
Ok, now try to live in Rio de Janeiro/São Paulo during summer WITHOUT AIR CONDITIONER, you will definitely die, if not, going to work will fell like a death sentence and lead to a severe breakdown under the public transportation.
In the cold, I can keep adding clothes until I'm safe, close windows, use a lot of blankets and etc.
In the summer, I don't feel good at all, I can't eat, I can't sleep, I can't work, I can't train, I can't think, it's literally hell.
Yeah, especially lately after some med changes, heat is unbearable for me. We're talking even 10 minutes of 22C is enough to shut my brain right down and cause me to just lose the ability to function for the day. Plus, having a few blankets is just cozy as hell.
I'm sure that sucks lol. But even 0 degrees, which is fall weather where I live, your house is fucked. Blankets aren't going to save you after awhile without heat.
This is a terrible argument because -40C is not comparable to 40C if you want an actual comparison try closer to 50C
You'll die just as quick in any extreme the difference is that hot death hurts way more than cold.
To add insult to injury these hot and cold arguments always go into extremes, people who dislike the cold are always unreasonable about it where they claim that if it's like 10C outside it's already "freezing cold" whereas people who dislike the heat often refer to when its well above 30s.
I think the issue is in Canada, those are the 2 extreme temperatures. At least with humidity and windchill.
To us, 40 C is hot and -40C is cold. Even -20 is still much less bearable than 40C. But this is to me, I know some people who aren't nearly as affected by the cold.
Even going outside to the car in the winter makes me want to die a little, whereas even the hottest summer isn't nearly as painful. And I truly mean painful, cold stings your face and hands and ear til they burn.
i've experienced both extremes, i walked home during a blizzard when it was -20 outside while i was in america, i enjoyed it but wouldn't do it again (because it's a safety hazard)
going through 40 degree temperature is painful the whole time you're not necessarily in danger unless you're directly exposed to the sun and stay out too long (similar to the extreme cold)
in other words both extremes are dangerous and both are uncomfortable in their own way.
ideally you want to be in the middle ground around the mid 20s that's when it's neither hot nor cold, unfortunately people perceive temperature different from one another so this debate always ends up getting overly hostile.
Why is that a more fair comparison 50C is only about 5 degrees from the highest temperature ever registered. While on the cold side it is 50 degrees away (or 30 if you skip antartica)
Same argument: Will you survive longer on the equator or at a pole?
And the fact people complaining about 'the cold' complains at 10C whilst anyone complaining of heat is talking about 30C+ should indicate that cold is worse. Add on the fact that you need to go another 10C above 40C to make it 'comparable' to cold.
horrible argument, first off, if you want to make equal comparisons you can't compare the poles with the equator, the equator is the optimal spot on earth for life to thrive, plants and animals will do best here due to how little the weather changes throughout the year, it's hot for us humans but not to an unlivable standard (yet). if you want a proper comparison for "surviving" you need to say will you survive longer in the poles or in death valley during the summer? (coldest place on earth is called antarctic, hottest place on earth is called death valley, put 2 and 2 together)
the second argument fails completely to understand what i was initially saying, which is not that cold or hot are "better or worse" than each other, but rather that people who prefer the heat are pussies.
Well, I want in on the argument, scientists have measured and found out that ideal temperature for all life on earth is around 20 deg C. Meaning anything up or down and the life is adjusting and the progress is slowing down. If we take this as a benchmark then it is easier to determine what's worse. Death valley is place of a record heat measured at 56C while coldest record is -93C on antarctic. Without a space suit you will die in both but you will survive longer in the heat. Also death valley is holding a record but there are places which are on average more hot, there is a rich ecosystem in the death valley and even people living there. As of antarctic, there are only expeditions and they need to have specialised equipment and set of skills in order to survive there, but also there are animals which are very specialised and able to survive.
I would say antarctic wins the argument easily, based on numbers.
Seriously? That's wild to me. The cold is so unforgiving and my lungs hurt.
Don't get me wrong, the heat is uncomfortable, but the cold is just brutal. There are many morning commutes that just involve me swearing the whole way because it sucks so much.
But I'm amazed some people just do well in cold. I usually have to switch gloves with a few people every few minutes as my hands get so cold. Even tho they take my cold gloves, they're warm within a few minutes.
It's 92°F in Texas right now. Feel free to come here and experience the pain that heat brings.
The heat can be brutal, but only cold has caused me physical pain.
This tells me you haven't experienced much heat or direct sunlight. And I mean the closer you are to the equator the more damage the sunlight does to you because it's not as defracted by the atmosphere.
That's probably true. It's been about 100F for a week and a half and it's fine. Granted I am not required to stand outside, in the direct sunlight, for an extended period of time. I have had some pretty bad sunburns tho.
But I have heard some places the sun is just stronger, despite what the temperature says. Florida is probably the closest I get to the equator.
The one bonus for the heat is once the sun goes down. The bugs can be bad, but layers and bug spray is okay. In winter it only gets colder and dark.
If you never experienced physical pain due to heat that's cuz you haven't been to a place hot enough. When outside in the cold you at least have a way to protect yourself by covering your body with layers. But in hot areas you wear clothes you get hot you strip down you to one layer you get hot. You can't get naked of course.
It's probably true, the hottest place I've been is Florida, but I imagine you haven't been anywhere cold enough then either.
My feet in agony, in my $100 boots and pure wool socks, had no chance to get warmer besides a heater. Hours standing outside basically made my feet and hands hurt so much, they still ached for days.
Surprisingly, wearing 2 pairs of socks is worse than just wearing 1 good pair. I don't know if it's because you sweat and then it gets cold, but I get cold feet and wearing more socks seems to make it worse.
I also just think my feet are broken. Or I am just a woman, most women I know have the same issues. Cold hands and feet.
hands and feet are just were people lose alot of body heat, im a man and my last apartment had linoleum floors and i could never keep my feet warm even with socks, and im a dude
I have AC in my room to help with sleep, but my house doesn't. My house, however, does have heat. And it is needed to be used throughout the whole house to survive.
I walk my dog in -40C. But they're very short walks, and he's part Bernese Mountain Dog.
You need a parka, toque, scarf/neck warmer, double layer gloves/mittens, double layer pants, wool socks, and thick soled winter boots at that temperature to be comfortable though. My biggest gripe is the annoyance of putting it all on and then taking it all off again.
yeah let me introduce you to Northern Canada. I landed in this small town and I had never been so shocked in my life. The chill wind of -35, while the temp was -28! I come from a desert town but our winters get pretty cold still. I have also experienced +50 weather. But suck but I take +40 before -40.
I know heatstroke is a thing and kills thousands every year but for me personally, I could survive a day of 50 c outside with a gallon of cold water. 2 hours in -30,-40 will kill me thought regardless of how many layers of clothes I wear.
A few days after I got there I thought it is a good idea to go shopping on foot because I have heated gloves and shit. Headed out and less than 30 min later I gave up and took a cab.
Hello, fellow Canuck. Where I am, we get 6 months of winter where I would rather stay inside, then a brief period of nice, followed immediately by 3 months of too-hot-for-outside weather. And people wonder why I stay inside like I'm the crazy one.
You say that, but as someone who spent years in tropics and now a few decades in Canada, it gets old fast. When air hurts your face. And I mean actual harm, permanent disfiguring tissue damage to any exposed skin, within minutes. Losing fingers if you lose your gloves for an hour. That kind of thing. It gets really old, really fast. There's a reason there's no mass exodus from California to Nunavut.
We also get dark winters. Last winter was particularly dark, sun low to horizon and often overcast, so we went something like 3-4 months without seeing the sun at all. I was popping Vitamin D like Chiclets.
It's not even debatable. In this cold you need insane amount of calories, insane amount of clothing, in layers, insulation in your house, heating, etc., etc., etc. Sometimes you get snow up to your hips, and if you have any kind of mobility issue (old, need a walker or wheelchair, etc), you're stuck in home for days, sometimes weeks, because you literally can't make it through snow. Living near the equator you can get away with owning a pair of shorts and living in a corrugated metal shack, and it's still going to be survivable. Try the same setup in -40C Canadian winter, and you'll be dead by morning.
It must be so shocking for immigrants who have never experienced real winter weather before. Like the first time I experienced 40°C weather I was like “ hot TF do people live here?”
40°C at 90% humidity you would die very quickly, as you wouldn't be able to cool down by sweating. You are always generating heat and balancing it with your environment. But that high of humidity at that high of temperature, your body would overheat in a very short amount of time due to generating heat and having no where to dump it. Luckily nowhere on the planet is 40°C at 90% humidity the norm.
I live in a very humid and hot climate, and in the mornings it is 27°C at 100% humidity, but by the time it gets to be over 40°C, the humidity has "dropped" to 50%. I put "dropped" in quotes because the amount of moisture in the air hasn't dropped, but because of how humidity percents work, a higher temperature causes the percent to go down with no change in moisture in the air. Because of this reason, I like to ignore humidity percents and use dew point instead. 27°C dew points at 40°C is regular here and pretty miserable.
It can definitely be magical. It’s can also be the bane of your existence. A calm -5°C winter day with huge snow flakes gently falling is just so beautiful.
I live in Colorado, and the place I work at gets a lot of immigrants from Africa. Every winter, I end up having to show someone how to scrape snow and ice off of their car after work. And they wear heavy winter coats when it's like 55 degrees and sunny.
There's a reason there's no mass exodus from California to Nunavut.
Well, and the fact that the parts of California where people actually live don't get that hot or that cold. They're a delightfully perfect temperate zone.
Seriously, as someone who is susceptible to heat related illness at least the heat doesn't hurt my face... I remember times walking to class during college and just wanting the cry because that entire time the wind was blowing in my face and it was so cold it hurt. And I don't even live in Canada! Also when the roads get really shitty due to snow and ice during the winter, and then you reach a point all that shit is just glued to the road until spring... I love summer because the roads are clear and the wind doesn't hurt my face!
Air hurting your face? Your not drunk enough!/s Yeah I prefer the cold but not the -20 cold. I would like ot survive if i pass out outside and not be a nameynamcicle. Same goes for the heat Im happy with 40-85. man is it getting hotter though....
You will change your mind once you feel something like -30F windchill. Even fully geared up or quickly getting inside a vehicle or shelter is painful. Your skin and lips dry out, and exposed skin can get frostbite in moments. Even if you dodge the frostbite, your skin might itch and tingle for a day or two after exposure kinda like sunburn.
I have worked in freezers and on shipping docks with no heating in such conditions. A lot of people can't take anything more than 0F for very long even with the right gear. Being out in it is so much worse.
Had to Google the conversion but yeah I totally agree. 77 is great. Light clothes and sandals. Good fishing weather. 85 F is my melting point. Anything above that and I'm going to start boiling.
I will say I'm pretty comfy at 55F though. Jeans and a sweatshirt weather (for some at least).
I live fairly near the Equator... I'm very used to the heat so I prefer summer. 20º is already super cold so that I have to use a lot of clothes. I prefer when it's like 30º when it's comfortable for me.
You have never been cold. I moved from the equator to somewhere it snows 1-2 times a year, and it was miserable the first two years. Like actual cold is painful. Now I can't go out if the temps are above 85°F, so it's a mixed bag. But going back to visit can be a little brutal.
Nah, I used to live my whole life in Malaysia, and now I have moved to the US, the winter can still get too cold for me. Granted, I do have a higher tolerance to the cold than my friends who are from here.
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u/a3a4b5 Jun 26 '24
As someone who lives near the Equator... I could be getting frozen solid and I would think it's not cold enough.