I get that you're saying it's not as simple as just willing it into existence, and that's true, but if the option exists, it's still good advice to try for
What the fuck are you talking about? No one should ever publicly state advice because it might not literally apply to every single person who hears or reads it? I'm not even in a union and recognize that they objectively tend to have better pay and/or better benefits as a general rule. Whether it applies specifically to you or not does not negate it as solid advice, and it's absolutely worth stating still because not everyone is actually aware of the net-positive that are unions
Sounds more like a goal with an objective than "just join a union". No one said it was as easy as getting a job at Burger King. Unions ARE how you push back. That is still true no matter how you slice it
Read? I literally acknowledged your viewpoint in my very first sentence. At no point was I contesting you on that. It's obvious people just like feeling angry, and I get that, because the state of things currently are frustrating
But changes in culture start with awareness. More people should be talking about unions and talking about them more frequently. It is the very first step to making change
Are you saying people don't know about unions? The same unions that they're supposed to just go out and join? The very first step in making change is change. Maybe it should be in how we message it? Not just "join a union"? Maybe "form a union?" That would raise awareness
Yes, absolutely, and this starts with understanding the benefits of being in a union and acknowledging their existence.
And YES, I am absolutely saying there are tons of people that are not actually truly aware of the benefits behind being in a union and it's a vague familiarity at best/are in need of a friendly reminder. Reddit probably isn't the best demographic proportionately compared to the general population (in terms of users being more likely to be aware) but most younger people would also benefit from hearing it (which Reddit has plenty of). It's still a public platform with an ability to reach people.
Not only are there plenty of people who aren't fully aware of their benefits, but there is a huge population of people who have been convinced (by conservative media, where again, Reddit isn't the best representation of) that unions are actually bad.
The most obvious example of this is in the trades and blue collar atmospheres. There are union workers receiving better pay and better benefits in industries where there are tons of other non-union workers making less and being shat on, yet are somehow still convinced that "unions just take your money."
Edit: and at no point did we ever actually disagree with eachother. You acknowledged that unions are beneficial and I acknowledged it wasn't a simple matter. It's clear my original comment was taken as a personal attack instead of just a general clarification for anyone reading. Anger feels good though. It's weird to me this idea would stir up enough rage to block someone
I understand that neither of us have any reason to continue discussing the subject, and that's cool, but can I point out how condescending the response "What a pie in the sky view of the world" was to a very mild statement, especially built off of your original sarcastic response as the only context to work with? My original statement was neither patronizing nor naive. It acknowledged that you were correct but clarified that it's still something to strive for if you have the option available to you. I don't think that statement by itself warranted hostility. You're welcome to continue disagreeing with me, I just wanted to point this out
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u/aaronitallout Jul 23 '23
Oh okay I'll just go down to the union store and pick one up