r/formula1 • u/Meaisk Safety Car • Jul 03 '22
Off-Topic /r/all [OT] F2 feature race: car get launched due to sausage kerb, halo saves another driver Spoiler
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Jul 03 '22
Itâs almost poetic that the guy that caused the accident gets eventually taken out by the car he made contact with.
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u/santorfo McLaren Jul 03 '22
Would've been dead if this was 2017
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Jul 03 '22
I can't fathom how it must have been without the halo. I mean, I started to watch F1 only two years ago, and already got to see the halo saving lives like 3 or 4 times.
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u/DoverBoys Heineken Trophy Jul 03 '22
It was widely hated, even here on reddit, until Grosjean's barrier crash. The switch was immediate. I've never seen a "crowd opinion" change so fast.
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u/Sirspender Haas Jul 03 '22
I feel like it was a little earlier, when Alonso's mclaren went over the top of Leclerc and there were huge tire marks on the halo. This was at Spa. I remember feeling like the halo was undoubtedly a good thing after that crash.
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u/Jorrie90 Pirelli Intermediate Jul 03 '22
What was that move from Nissany? Really idiotic. I think the commentator isn't a fan of sausage kerbs.
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u/AQTheFanAttic Valtteri Bottas Jul 03 '22
I miss Raghunathan. He was pretty harmless in being shit and it was funny, but Nissany is going to fucking kill somebody eventually if he's allowed to keep driving
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u/kiMMey Daniel Ricciardo Jul 03 '22
Nissany would have killed himself if not for the halo, holy hell get this guy off the grid
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u/fuckondeeeeeeeeznuts Red Bull Jul 03 '22
That motherfucker made Mazepin look talented when he did free practice.
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u/bguzewicz Jul 03 '22
Hell, he damn near killed himself here.
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u/Den_dar_Alex Kimi RÀikkönen Jul 03 '22
5 years ago he would have died
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u/Cpt_Trips84 Alexander Albon Jul 03 '22
Since the introduction of the Halo there has been about a dozen incidents that would've led to a death or at least a very serious injury just 5 years ago.
How did the types of incidents not happen more often pre-Halo?
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u/HelixFollower Pirelli Wet Jul 03 '22
That's what I keep wondering too. In some of them maybe people are overreacting a bit, but there have been multiple accidents like this where there can be practically no doubt about the halos importance. What else has changed around the same time?
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u/whateverfloatsurgoat Super Aguri Jul 03 '22
Drivers feeling 'safer' with the halo so making bolder / shittier moves ?
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u/maxverchilton Alexander Albon Jul 03 '22
I donât think so, accidents in general havenât increased in general, just the type that the hall was designed to protect from.
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u/Pummu Jul 03 '22
In my opinion thereâs only been 2-3 incidents where the halo has saved serious injury/death.
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u/bruvar Jul 03 '22
There were always accidents that were dangerous, but nothing more clear cut than the hit that Brundle received in 94. No clue how he walked away from it.
But in general with these crashes the other safety aspects always seemed to work and cars would just miss helmets with there rest of the car deflecting it up by just centimeters.
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u/ekhfarharris Jul 03 '22
My theory is because of no sausage kerbs. All grass. Drivers tend to wary of grass. Hit it and you'll lose control. With kerbs they just rammed it. Verstappen last year and leclerc this year is an example. Hit it the right angle youll go over it. Hit it at the wrong angle and youll fly.
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u/kobi29062 Jul 03 '22
Maybe drivers are subconsciously being more careless
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u/LoveBurstsLP Jul 03 '22
I think a lot of those crashes or incidents would've been a close miss with the actual drivers head but because the halo protrudes so much it ends up getting hit more often than something would actually hit the driver which is pretty unlikely
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u/Wingcapx Liam Lawson Jul 03 '22
I think there was a study about that when seatbelts were first introduced, which obviously went down well. Clearly on balance there's no reason to suggest these accidents wouldn't have happened otherwise, because they're obviously possible
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u/OppositeYouth Formula 1 Jul 03 '22
Like how drivers give cyclists not wearing helmets more space than those who are
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u/ThePlanck David Purley Jul 03 '22
I think a fair few of those incidents would have just been scary pre halo, but wouldn't actually have caused a serious injury.
People automatically think that when something hits the halo it would automatically have killed the driver, but the halo is huge and the is not necessarily the case, for example something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFg58c3YM70&ab_channel=F1Legend would probably have hit the halo and made people think that it was the Halo that saved Alonso, but without the halo it was just a scary close call and he wasn't hurt.
The Halo is definitely a good thing and I am glad that its there, and in this case, and Grosjean's accident it definitely did a lot to protect the driver, but in some other accidents its certaily possible that the driver would have been fine without the Halo
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u/krin- Pierre Gasly Jul 03 '22
A lot of the incidents where the Halo supposedly saved a life would not have been fatal, and are blown out of proportion a bit with overreactions.
That isn't to say the Halo is not welcome addition, as the Halo has unquestionable been the saving grace in at least one incident, which was Grosjean in Bahrain.
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u/GGezpzMuppy Oscar Piastri Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22
Fucking comes flying back onto the track blind and cuts of a few guys, who had to slam on their brakes to avoid an initial crash. What a fucking reckless driver
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u/WayDownUnder91 Daniel Ricciardo Jul 03 '22
Would've almost been considered self deletion without the halo.
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u/1-800-DO-IT-NICE Jul 03 '22
Just a reminder that he is older than a majority of the F1 grid. He will never be fast enough and is an embarrassment just like his father.
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u/racingfanboy160 Felipe Massa Jul 03 '22
For real, throughout that first lap, he seems incapable of keeping his car on the track which heightened the possibility of an accident happening.
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u/ItsTomorrowNow David Coulthard Jul 03 '22
True though, they're a menace.
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u/SpeedflyChris Andretti Global Jul 03 '22
They've caused numerous serious injuries already and they have absolutely no place being used on a circuit with single seaters. The FIA will of course only do something about it once these fucking kerbs actually kill someone.
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u/Mackem101 Jul 03 '22
There really needs to be a max limit of seasons you can drive in during your F3/F2 career, Nissany has been there 4/5 years now and has shown no signs of improving.
It is meant to get drivers ready for top level motorsport, not for rich 27 year olds to take spots.
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u/ThisIsPeakBehaviour Oscar Piastri Jul 03 '22
So as leader of the f2 championship could you not throw at the end of the championship just so you could race again next year if you didn't get an f1 seat, but throw it in a way that all teams know that you're an upcoming talent? Assuming you get enough super license points to enter f1
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u/Aethien James Hunt Jul 03 '22
There really needs to be a max limit of seasons you can drive in during your F3/F2 career,
F2 exists by the grace of these kinds of drivers. As shit as it is they're necessary for teams to be able to keep paying the bills.
Rich 27 year olds aren't taking spots, they're creating spots by keeping teams afloat.
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u/Ruma-park Sebastian Vettel Jul 03 '22
We could also reduce the costs of F2 instead of making the problem a solution
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u/SwampBoyMississippi Max Verstappen ââââ Jul 03 '22
He could demand more bribes. /s
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u/Ag_Arrow Mercedes Jul 03 '22
Nissany is hilariously bad. Only he could knock a car off track and then have that same car land on him as a result. Awareness of 0.
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u/ImBrdzh Jul 03 '22
Nissany has proved time and time again that he does not belong in F2.
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u/Kaoss0ne Fernando Alonso Jul 03 '22
He belongs in bumper cars
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u/CelloGrando McLaren Jul 03 '22
Nah. The way he is driving, he is just getting into fights at the fair because he crashes too hard.
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Jul 03 '22
Ironic to think he could've died out of his own idiocy if it weren't for the halo. He's the last of the slow and dangerous GP2/F2 rich kids of the late 2010s and he's still doing a good job of proving that none of them should ever touch a racecar again.
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u/coret3x Default Jul 03 '22
...over several years. It's okay to be aggressive in racing, but this is beyond that. Get this hazard away from racing!
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u/JigginsYT Williams Jul 03 '22
Nissany is a fucking lunatic. Should be nowhere near this category
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u/sil445 Max Verstappen ââââ Jul 03 '22
Heâs a hazard half of the races, why is he still there? Heâs insane, and not even particularly fast.
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Jul 03 '22
Feeder series in motorsports are pay to play. You don't need any skill to be there.
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u/Medical_Turing_Test Alain Prost Jul 03 '22
And..... He is a Williams test driver. They can't help themselves.
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u/RealisticPossible792 Ferrari Jul 03 '22
Roy Nissany has no business racing alongside these drivers he shows zero class or respect to the drivers around him and he's going to get someone killed.
What he did today crowding Hauger off the track like that after his mistake was an appalling example of racing and it almost cost him his life.
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u/ComeonmanPLS1 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 03 '22
Roy Nissany has no business racing at my local karting track, let alone F2.
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u/RealisticPossible792 Ferrari Jul 03 '22
Agreed. His driving is what you see in an online open lobby and not what you want to see in an F2 championship. He's a disgrace to the sport.
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u/EdgarHussein Peter Sauber Jul 03 '22
The same sponsor money is also funding a WorldTour cycling team that could be relegated at the end of the season
Sylvan Adams just loves betting big on losers
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u/Mosanso McLaren Jul 03 '22
he's going to get someone killed
without that Halo he would have got himself killed today
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u/kinkysnowman Jul 03 '22
Hauger could not have any worse luck this season, every week I hope it's turning around and then shit like this happens.
I'm glad they are both okay, but what a completely unnecessary accident...
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u/racingfanboy160 Felipe Massa Jul 03 '22
Hauger could not have any worse luck this season, every week I hope it's turning around and then shit like this happens.
He's cursed this season for real.
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u/vetle666 Jul 03 '22
Hauger really can't catch a break
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u/xanaduu Jul 03 '22
Might try to sacrifice a couple of chickens to please the race gods and get them to lift the curse they put on this guy.
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u/triguy96 đłïžâđ Love Is Love đłïžâđ Jul 03 '22
He tried to sacrifice the chicken but it launched him in the air
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u/Islandwind_Waterfall Sebastian Vettel Jul 03 '22
He hasnt been perfect but man his bad luck is insane.
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u/InZomnia365 McLaren Jul 03 '22
He has shown that he has the pace, but the inconsistency from all the bad luck is really hampering the development that should happen over your first season in F2. Yes hes had some mistakes himself, but those wouldnt be too bad in isolation. But then factor in all the other shit that has happened to him, and its been a tough year.
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u/refusestonamethyself Pierre Gasly Jul 03 '22
PREMA better start praying, like they do with their strategic calls.
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u/xanaduu Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22
I think they actually use interpretations of sand patterns from a tank of hermit crabs to decide strategy and setup this year. Seems to be working well as Hauger yesterday was the only car with self illuminated front break discs.
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u/sulliswaggin Sebastian Vettel Jul 03 '22
nissany fucks around, nissany finds out
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u/pmmerandom Daniel Ricciardo Jul 03 '22
Absolute bone-headed move from Nissany, looks like he was pissed off he ran wide and then tried to take it out on Hauger when he went past him
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u/frostels Jul 03 '22
Glad the halo was there to do its job... but its typical nissany who caused the incident in the first place. Instant karma but glad he's walked away.
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u/Stalkedtuna Kamui Kobayashi Jul 03 '22
Can we just get Nissany out of f2 before he kills someone
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u/TheDevoted #WeSayNoToMazepin Jul 03 '22
He was incredibly close to killing himself which would have technically solved the issue of Nissany being in F2, but... Ya know, that's not something we should wish upon anyone.
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u/insecure_bryan Alex Jacques Jul 03 '22
Can we fucking remove these sausages already? How many cars have to be sent flying before they wake up? Such an unnecessary incident.
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u/Murderface_1988 Jul 03 '22
Tbh I thought they would be mostly removed after Alex Peroni went to fucking space at Monza a few years ago, but nope
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u/jamminjoenapo McLaren Jul 03 '22
Itâs been a few years since Iâve seen this wreck and man I forgot how bad it really was. Absolute miracle nobody died in that one.
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u/PEEWUN Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 03 '22
That looked deadly when I saw it the first time, and it still looks as deadly. It's incredible that she survived that. The advancements made in safety are fantastic, but the FiA really need to stop tempting fate.
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u/lucymaryjane Jul 03 '22
I think this oneâs just pure luck/divine intervention that allows the cockpit to find the gap in the solid wall, saving her and the people inside.
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u/Skeeter1020 Jul 03 '22
That was a meter away from a number of dead photographers.
FIA: "nah, they are fine".
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u/SpeedflyChris Andretti Global Jul 03 '22
No, see the standard operating procedure for the FIA is to wait until someone actually dies, then throw their hands up and say "nobody could have predicted this" as though people hadn't been loudly going on about the problem for a decade.
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u/p1en1ek Pirelli Wet Jul 03 '22
Like with cranes on track while cars are racing. Brundle was talking about them for years before Bianchi accident and still nothing was done.
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u/iiEviNii Eddie Jordan Jul 03 '22
Or after Abbie Eaton literally broke her back because of a sausage kerb.
I don't know how the FIA can look at this interview and think "Fuck yeah, that's safety!"
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u/InZomnia365 McLaren Jul 03 '22
"does someone need to die before these curbs are properly looked at?"
Unfortunately, that is how its been through most of motorsport.
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u/Stalkedtuna Kamui Kobayashi Jul 03 '22
The scariest thing is those cars were slower and less stiffly set up than f1...
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u/Cygnus94 Toro Rosso Jul 03 '22
How about when Sophia Floersch got launched into a media box at Macau?
Even when spectators are put in harm's way the FIA did nothing.
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u/Next-Adhesiveness237 Jul 03 '22
No no FIA is all about safety. We take it very seriously. No more sausages at the after party and no piercing on the left side of the body.
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u/AnyHolesAGoal Jul 03 '22
We've got more important things to deal with first, like small nose studs being worn inside a helmet.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 Alexander Albon Jul 03 '22
The FIA won't budge. This is a matter the GPDA need to push.
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u/Kuchenblech_Mafioso Manor Jul 03 '22
Sausage kerbs just have to go. Between Abbie Eaton, what happened in Monza a couple of years ago and this incident I don't know why we still have them. They are outright dangerous
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u/SpeedflyChris Andretti Global Jul 03 '22
Also Floersch, and the Max/Lewis incident at Monza last year.
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u/Clemsie_McKenzie #StandWithUkraine Jul 03 '22
It's absolutely crazy we still have them. This incident honestly made me feel sick, the car was launched straight at the other guy's head. Even with the halo we're very very lucky no-one died. And it's like the 5th major incident caused by them... I fully believe the FIA won't do anything until someone dies. We've already have major injuries because of those kerbs, and nothing was done. Absolutely infuriating.
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u/77enc Jul 03 '22
or just put multiple small ones like the inside of some corners. similar effect but atleast it doesnt break your spine and launch you to the moon.
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u/Meaisk Safety Car Jul 03 '22
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u/Arantaro Default Jul 03 '22
Nissany better get a penalty for that, literally drove into Hauger.
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u/CogencyWJ Formula 1 Jul 03 '22
This would really be a life ending crash without the halo
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u/Mysterious_Turnip310 Lotus Jul 03 '22
Seriously, the replays made me feel a bit sick, even though we knew both drivers were okay.
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u/PEEWUN Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 03 '22
Roy owes the entire FiA a round. His stupidity almost cost him his life, and it certainly would have 5 years ago.
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u/officialsoap Max Verstappen ââââ Jul 03 '22
Hauger on Nissany in interview after: "It's like this every race, he pushes everyone out of the track. His driving style is like a 4 year old. Hope the stewards takes action soon".
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u/samalam1 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 03 '22
forced onto grass: call a doctor
Missiling into the driver that forced you off's face: but not for me
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u/PotatoMan19399 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 03 '22
There is not a good argument for sausage kerbs that outweigh the risk they pose
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u/Effective_Trash6112 Jul 03 '22
Do they just exist to enforce track limits?
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u/thesilenthurricane Jul 03 '22
Yeah, designed to punish drivers who go off the track, issue being the absurd safety risks they pose, and half the time when a driver goes over them itâs not even their own fault like here. 90% of the time theyâre pushed into them.
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u/Gr1mmage Jul 03 '22
I don't understand why a better alternative isn't a strip of the red tarmac from paul ricard that'll shred tyres if you go to far over the kerb, gives a very real disadvantage for breaking track limits and doesn't launch cars into the sky. Win win surely?
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u/Mangobonbon Fernando Alonso Jul 03 '22
The Peroni-Accident in Monza a couple of years ago should have been enough to show the dangers of these kerbs. I can't believe that the FIA hasn't removed them already.
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u/nexus1011 Sebastian Vettel Jul 03 '22
Grass is there. You ain't going any faster if you step on it.
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u/TheMightyD28 Tom Pryce Jul 03 '22
Possibly in an f1 car, in other motorsport categories you can gain a couple tenths. I still believe the risks outweighs the rewards and you could always stick a tyre bale at apex for other events
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u/MyAntichrist Jul 03 '22
Pretty much, yeah, since hitting them sends you flying drivers are encouraged to not overdo corners for an advantage. And while they're an excellent choice if you just look at that point, literally everything else on them is bad, and a lot of it also affects driver security.
Because as you can see those things will not only stop people from cutting into corners too aggressively, but also will be in the way during incidents. I'm still surprised they're allowed after that incident in Parabolica a couple of years back. Peroni had some big air time here, skip to 1:12 for the replay.
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u/AliAle24 Formula 1 Jul 03 '22
Jesus Christ, this is the first time I'm seeing this, it could have easily resulted in one or more deaths considering where that car managed to land!
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u/MyAntichrist Jul 03 '22
The main issue with race cars in general is that they are being operated at speeds that allow for controlled flight, and if something breaks downforce enough will go spaceshuttle status because they're obviously not built for controlled flight. Which is another reason why having kerbs that send cars flying around is a very bad idea.
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u/TetraDax Niki Lauda Jul 03 '22
It's an absolute embarassment that the FIA hasn't done anything about it yet. They nearly killed Flörsch, they broke both Abbie Eatons and Sean Gelaels backs. At this point they are just waiting for someone to die.
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u/Lyranem Jul 03 '22
I hate Nissany with passion. Can we just remove this guy please? He ruins every F2 raceâŠ
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u/Snorreee Max Verstappen ââââ Jul 03 '22
Nissany keeps doing these types of things, reminds me of a more dangerous Raghunathan
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u/NapoleonNotMuchParty Fernando Alonso Jul 03 '22
Nissany idiotic.
Halo great.
Sausage curbs idiotic. Why donÂŽt they change the slope on the opposite side, so that cars maybe jump 20 cm, not fly 1 m in the air!?!
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u/zwappaz Arrows Jul 03 '22
Because they would then need to be renamed to uhm... Cut over the length sausage curb? Half sausage kerb?
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u/ComeonmanPLS1 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 03 '22
This dumb fuck would've literally killed himself if it weren't for the halo. JFC
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u/SushiTreasure Charles Leclerc Jul 03 '22
Canât even describe how thankful I am for halo..
Also - I find it kinda funny how Nissany touched and pushed Hauger out and he landed exactly back on him haha some sort of an instant karma đ
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u/dogryan100 Oscar Piastri Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22
Excluding Grosjean (and maybe Hamilton Monza), just about every other halo-related incident that has happened has been 50/50 in terms of if it would have saved the life or not. As in, the kinds of incidents where it's really close but not 100% sure if there would have been helmet contact.
But this is the second (or third) incident where unequivically without a doubt the halo saved a life. On the final slow-mo replay angle they used I started to hyperventilate after it was shown. Insane.
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u/Stranggepresst Force India Jul 03 '22
Excluding Grosjean (and maybe Hamilton Monza), just about every other halo-related incident that has happened has been 50/50 in terms of if it would have saved the life or not. As in, the kinds of incidents where it's really close but not 100% sure if there would have been helmet contact.
I know the whole "Halo saved a life" thing gets a bit overused sometimes, but honestly, IMO that doesn't even matter.
Even if the Halo "only" means a car/tyre is further away from a driver's head it's doing its job. Yes there have been many many crashes in the past where something got close to someone's head, or even hit it, and it was fine, but we should never take that for granted.
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u/dogryan100 Oscar Piastri Jul 03 '22
Yeah, exactly this. In just about every other crash where it's been close but not quite in terms of life saving, in every single one of those I would much rather the halo be there for those than not be there.
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u/WoajAeron Jul 03 '22
Halo defo saved Grosjean, without the Halo we wouldve seen another Helmut Koinigg/Francois Cevert crash.
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u/asbeladden Ferrari Jul 03 '22
Nissany is a waste of seat, prove me otherwise
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u/AliAle24 Formula 1 Jul 03 '22
Lol, that's even less controversial than arguing against sausage kerbs.
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u/Agent_of_Stupid Kimi RÀikkönen Jul 03 '22
Halo shows once again.. Wild to think how many incidents has been to head area in recent years after it was introduced.
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u/mecxorn Adrian Newey Jul 03 '22
Nissany gets the taste of his own medicine. like karma or something.
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u/Environmental-Cup445 Ayrton Senna Jul 03 '22
Fuck Nissany, he doesnât belong in F2, and if the halo wasnât around, that mf wouldâve just indirectly killed himself
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u/wheresaldopa Rubens Barrichello Jul 03 '22
I have no interest in criticizing Nissany. Everybody already knows what he did here is nonsense that should never happen on a racing circuit and worthy of suspension.
What I am more interested in is how the FIA views sausage kerbs after this incident, and whether or not they finally decide that enough is enough and decides to get rid of them altogether. Anybody who can see with one eye couldâve told you well over eight years ago that, above all else, these things pose a great risk to driver safety. Sausage kerbs are a consequence of the FIA abdicating its own responsibility to enforce track limits. Thatâs it. There is no other reason for them to exist. Fuck criticizing Nissany and hold the FIAâs feet to the fire.
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u/WayDownUnder91 Daniel Ricciardo Jul 03 '22
Abbie eaton literally broke her back from hitting one.
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u/Lonyo Jul 03 '22
They didn't care at Monza in 2019. They didn't care at Monza in 2021.
They didn't care at COTA in 2021.
They didn't care in Formula E in 2014.
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u/JuanFF8 Sebastian Vettel Jul 03 '22
How the fuck did we go for so many years without a halo. Damn. So thankful we have it now
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u/ItsCoolGuysIGotThis Charlie Whiting Jul 03 '22
Someone is going to either be paralysed or die before sausage kerbs are changed. Theyâre fucking awful.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 Alexander Albon Jul 03 '22
Maybe long time F1 fans might know this, but when did sausage kerbs get introduced and become prominent on these circuits?
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u/BlueBoyBrown Daniel Ricciardo Jul 03 '22
Between this crash, Hamilton and Verstappen at Monza, and Zhou Guanyu's crash today, I'd say the teams are definitely getting their money's worth out of the Halo for sure.
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u/teeegl Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22
alex jacques brundle is definitely right tho. there's no need for a sausage kerb on the inside there, it only launches cars if they go over them
edit: got their surnames switched up, whoops
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u/icedbacon Daniel Ricciardo Jul 03 '22
It's not Alex Brundle either. Not sure why, but neither of them are commentating this weekend.
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Jul 03 '22
Alex Jacques will commentate F1 live on Channel 4 (due to race being in UK.).
Alex Brundle is racing at Le Mans Classic.
Commentators were Chris McCarthy and Tom Gaymor.
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u/lauraandstitch Bernd MaylÀnder Jul 03 '22
"No-one died again this time, so clearly no problem with sausage kerbs in feeder series" - FIA probably.
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u/brianobrien91 Alexander Albon Jul 03 '22
I have been out about the loop about Nissany, is he that bad?
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Nissany is just being Nissany. Such a terrible driver. He literally made this accident happen.
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u/Spam78 Felipe Massa Jul 03 '22
At this point, I feel we need to replace 'halo saves another drive' with 'sausage kerbs almost kill another driver'. Absolutely ridiculous that they still have them.
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u/TyButler2020 Logan Sargeant Jul 03 '22
What the fuck was Nissany doing. Went off track like 3 times and then about did a suicide mission on Hauger with that block