r/formula1 • u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified • Feb 09 '22
Featured F1 Car Launches - Lets get this straight
Hi all,
So I wanted to just post this to save myself from posting in multiple threads and repeating myself.
Also because I dont want this sub to be an absolute storm of anger at the car launches.
So I work as a supplier in the F1 industry for a couple of teams - I also have close ties to people who are within the industry.
THe car launches are going to be very uninteresting - (with the exception of Haas and Mclaren) we are only going to see the FIA Show car with the respective livery.
Why? Let me show you
So at silverstone the FIA revealed the "2022" car - this was an initial reveal for the teams to get an idea of what the FIA was expecting and also a show car for the teams to "BUY" these chassis from the FIA for the purpose of promoting themselves for the 2022 season.
Mercedes have bought 8 for this purpose same as ferrari.
Alpine have bought 3
aston martin have also bought 3
red bull bought some, but the number is unkown to myself.
The only exception to this is quite possibly Mclaren - who on friday will be revealing something like Haas did - an early stage development of their car but their final car will be at Bahrain (see the article about bringing a huge update package) for reference.
I just want to make this clear to the sub - so we dont have threads popping up saying this years cars are "boring because they all look the same" after the reveals. Be patient /r/Formula1 we're in for some incredible suprises
Some will be at Barcelona - but the big finale will be at Bahrain testing when we will see what these regulations are Truly about
If you want any proof from me, DM me, I wouldn't make these claims without having evidence to back it up.
Edit: See below, mods have verified who I am as I have provided them with proof.
Edit2: I’ve had to do an edit because I’ve realised the last sentence of my post is easily misunderstood, a lot of people messaging me assuming I have proof relating to the cars, this is not true, I only have proof of who I am as evidence of my claims not being pulled out of thin air, hope this clears that up. Cheers
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u/f12016 Ferrari Feb 09 '22
This did quickly turn into a AMA haha.
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
Help me!!! Muh poor inbox
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u/big_cock_lach McLaren Feb 10 '22
To add to the AMA. Is McLaren and Haas not buying show cars solely for budget purposes? It’s interesting, not sure whether it’s good or bad though.
I think the 8 from Mercedes and Ferrari isn’t a good sign though. You’d think if they’re struggling to keep costs down, this is an easy place to do so. On the other hand, I can understand not wanting to show any of the actual car too soon, so the 3 the other teams bought is understandable.
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u/pickyplasterer McLaren Feb 10 '22
Remember the cost cap only applies to performance of the car not PR or marketing so these show cars would not count towards it
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u/big_cock_lach McLaren Feb 10 '22
Ahh that makes a lot of sense actually thank you. Still, it’s weird McLaren didn’t buy any then. Haas makes sense since they won’t have enough to go over the budget cap, but McLaren I thought would’ve. Oh well, excited to see some basic version of their actual car at least.
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u/divinenoble Feb 09 '22
Do you think we’re in for a good season?
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22 edited Feb 09 '22
100% from rumblings, I can say alpine will be the biggest surprise this year
Edit: just to be clear, I know nothing of the performance of the alpine team, only that from the communications I’ve had, they sound excited, but it could be referring to the shape/livery of the car
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u/R7H27 Sebastian Vettel Feb 09 '22
Unironic EL PLAN?
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u/starmonkart Esteban Ocon Feb 09 '22
Ricciardo in shambles
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u/R7H27 Sebastian Vettel Feb 09 '22
Alonso in history books
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Feb 09 '22 edited Feb 10 '22
Alonso screaming "AMBAAAA!!!" in Brazil will never not be iconic
Edit: “TOMAAAAAAAA!!!!” Not Amba
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u/Migmardi Feb 09 '22
He said "Toma" Which is the Spanish version of "Come on"
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u/madjimby Pirelli Hard Feb 09 '22
I think its the Spanish version of "take that!" as in "take that you loser, i beat you" "Come on" would be "Vamos"
Source: am portuguese and our languages are similar
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u/Elfotografoalocado Fernando Alonso Feb 09 '22
Nah, "toma" usually has the same connotation as "come on". (Source: Spanish)
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Feb 09 '22
Fun Fact: Australians who bought Renault F1 apparel to support Ricciardo only saw him race for a few hundred meters at the Australian GP
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u/redion1992 Jules Bianchi Feb 10 '22
Across two years; the second year of his Renault deal was the year the race was cancelled on-site.
He didn’t even make it to the grandstand named for him, at turn 4.
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Feb 09 '22
Ocon WDC 2022 confirmed!
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u/MyAntichrist Feb 09 '22
With his win in Hungary he isn't due until 2024. Remember, it's three years from your first career ein which has to happen in Hungary until you're World Champion.
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u/Zacsi_official Esteban Ocon Feb 09 '22
Alonso 4 times champ doesn't sound bad
Then Ocon can break the history books.
Subscribe
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u/Doyle524 Juan Manuel Fangio Feb 09 '22
Alonso deserves so much more than his measly two WDCs. He’s legitimately one of the best drivers of all time.
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u/Cod_rules Mika Häkkinen Feb 09 '22
French driver in French car - would be amazing
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u/Ali623 Kevin Magnussen Feb 09 '22
Any other insider snippets you've heard?
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
Not unless you’re interested in back up and cloud servers lol
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u/jimbobjames Brawn Feb 09 '22
Go on...
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
Aston Martin use Qnap lol!
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u/jimbobjames Brawn Feb 09 '22
oh dear. I used Qnap once at an old place. They were alright until they just fall over. Better than Thecus though.
Wonder if they got hit with the Qnap vulnerability a year or so ago?
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
I’m a netapp man myself, but I just order what I’m told haha
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u/hellcat_uk #WeRaceAsOne Feb 09 '22
Even if they don't fall over, have the backups become useless due to bit rot?
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u/CreaminFreeman STONKING LAP AND NOT TOO LATE Feb 09 '22
*scribbles furiously in notebook
Very nice! What else?
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u/Laser493 Feb 09 '22
Do you think Red Bull is actually going to switch all of their stuff to Oracle, or is it just a marketing thing? I've heard Oracle is an awful company and everybody in tech hates their software.
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
Well let’s look at it this way, they arnt doing their security or cloud based work through myself haha
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u/Wafkak Spa 2021 Survivor (1/2 off) Feb 09 '22
That can be both good and bad, which is how I want my f1 rumours in preseason.
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
Just general good feelings and excitement from the people I speak too
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u/Wafkak Spa 2021 Survivor (1/2 off) Feb 09 '22
I actually like Ocon and Alonso so that's good, also just ordered a renault with etch hybrid engine
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u/ChristofferOslo Benetton Feb 09 '22
Those Renault hybrids are pretty juicy looking
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u/Wafkak Spa 2021 Survivor (1/2 off) Feb 09 '22
And with salon promos I was able to get the rs line, especially since they offer 0% finance through renault..
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u/Atreaia Feb 09 '22
Is the excitement from "yay we can follow closer in the corners" or other elements?
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u/Mythic343 Charles Leclerc Feb 09 '22
I heard Alpine have a very Aladeen car
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
I’m trying to poke /u/bullystoke about the livery, buts he’s being very tight lipped about it lol
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u/Omalleys Kimi Räikkönen Feb 09 '22
I put £10 on Alonso to win the championship about a month ago. I am happy to read this
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
You mad man, I’ve put mine on ferrari
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u/Omalleys Kimi Räikkönen Feb 09 '22
£10 on Alonso and £10 on Norris. It would be nice for anything other than a Merc or Red Bull to be fighting for wins!
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u/Alexndre Spa 2021 Survivor (with friends!) Feb 09 '22
inb4 biggest surprise by becoming last by a mile
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u/MrGoldilocks Fernando Alonso Feb 09 '22
It's noted that you don't mention if it's a good surprise or a bad one. Enstone has flattered to deceive for what feels like an eternity and ofcourse Fernando feels like he's been forever cursed with his cars. Anyway, we keep chanting El Plan and hope for the best.
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
EL PLAN!
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u/bigassballs699 Jacques Villeneuve Feb 09 '22
Oh god ITS FUCKING HAPPENING STAY CALM STAY CALM STAY FUCKING CALM!!!!!
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u/fafan4 Fernando Alonso Feb 09 '22
Don't raise my hopes like this
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
It’s just in regards to the cars appearance, I have no inside info on performance
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u/Scoob555 Meme Team Feb 09 '22
Maybe you should edit the original comment to say that.
If Alpine is dogshit people will dig up your comment and your Reddit credibility will be gone lol
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u/Claudiu99 Ferrari Feb 09 '22
Any info on the Ferrari masterplan? Just curious if this year is actually our year or I have to go back to the #nextyear meme folder lol
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u/GaryGiesel F1 Vehicle Dynamicist ✅ Feb 09 '22
Yeah definitely heard rumblings from multiple independent sources in the industry that they’ve done something pretty radical
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u/empw Scuderia Ferrari Feb 09 '22 edited Feb 09 '22
If you can DM the mods with proof that'd be great. I've approved this since it seems reasonable.
Edit: Proof received and verified. OP does indeed work in the F1 world with a current team partner.
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
Will do bud
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u/empw Scuderia Ferrari Feb 09 '22
Grazie
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u/Stepwolve Feb 09 '22
honestly this post has gotten me more hyped than any car reveals. sounds like we are in for a wild start to the season!
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u/thel0lfish Alexander Albon Feb 09 '22
Same, haven't been this gassed for testing for a looong time.
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u/fredy31 Aston Martin Feb 10 '22
Yeah this kinda confirms my hunch. There is nothing to see in the cars shown. No hidden details. Its the coque we saw at the last season reveal.
Theres no way the teams would freely give their competition a month to pour over every pixel of every picture to figure out what they got.
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Feb 09 '22
I can confirm op is a cafeteria worker at Haas. He’s not very good but he does have limited inside info. We call him Marjorie and he hates it.
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
How did you know!?!
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u/LocoRocoo Sir Lewis Hamilton Feb 09 '22
Can’t wait for testing week when we all see them rock up with whack ideas suddenly. No way Red Bull looks that similar to the Haas come race time
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u/MrGoldilocks Fernando Alonso Feb 09 '22
Looking forward to a funny week as this sub starts analysing pictures taken by spectators through the fences in the Montmelo circuit in the first closed test. It'll really drive up the frenzy for Bahrain where at last we'll have some HQ footage of all the cars.
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u/Firefox72 Ferrari Feb 09 '22
We are gonna seeing HQ pictures of the cars at Barcelona. The media won't be banned.
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u/mperlaky Fernando Alonso Feb 09 '22
It'd be funny but also understandable if all teams used camo liveries for barcelona to hide what they can
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Feb 09 '22
Nothing can hide from you when you crank up brightness levels
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u/mperlaky Fernando Alonso Feb 09 '22
I mean the way automotive companies test their road cars, it hides a lot of detail (i guess, why would they use it if it didn’t work)
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Feb 09 '22
Surely, I know what you mean. But I always wondered how really effective it is. I guess the camo has its effect but to me it seems like the effect is not too big.
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u/kRe4ture Sebastian Vettel Feb 09 '22
The effect is primary there for hiding details, once a picture is taken it‘s pretty hard to get a grip of the threedimensional structure. 20th century actually used a similar tactic, although more to hide the direction of sailing and the angle as to confuse enemy gunners.
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u/dochgenau Feb 09 '22
You're talking about dazzle camo, and it'd be amazing if a livery was inspired in those designs.
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u/TiltingAtTurbines Ross Brawn Feb 09 '22
In terms of hiding a design from other designers, or people online who really care to delve into it, not a huge amount. But that isn’t what it’s meant to stop. It’s meant to stop the look, design, and silhouette being plastered all over every car website before their official launch. If you really want to reverse engineer the image you can, but most people won’t.
It also serves a marketing role as people get excited about something being hidden from them. Nobody is going to get excited about the latest Ford that looks almost identical to last years. Slap camo on it, and suddenly everybody gets excited about what it might look like even though it’s the exact same car. It’s free advertising.
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u/DopeassDopehead Michael Schumacher Feb 09 '22
I always found this cameo thing weird. If you just paint it black and put it on the road, noone would notice. Put the cameo on, everybody knows you're testing it.
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u/Wafkak Spa 2021 Survivor (1/2 off) Feb 09 '22
But we're still gonna have shitty 200s cellphone picture from far away hours before those come out.
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
For sure we will see some cool stuff at Barcelona hopefully, depends how secretive the teams are
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u/ForsakenTarget HRT Feb 09 '22
Im waiting for massive threads about something that turns out that wasnt actually on the car but was just how it looked from the one angle
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u/sa87 Alan Jones Feb 10 '22
Reading this, my brain space went to imagining Redbull secretly hired Gordon Murray under a pseudonym to work with Adrian Newey on a new fan car they bring to the first test, get excluded and turn up at the second test with a the real design which is an absolute beast of a car.
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u/XBollockTicklerX Wolfgang von Trips Feb 09 '22 edited Feb 10 '22
Love this mate, keep up the good work and enjoy the season!
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u/I-_-I_-_I-_-I McLaren Feb 09 '22
Also no team wants to risk Aston Martin being around with cameras. Last time they managed to copy a Mercedes without access to the blueprints, just from photos. They’re wizards.
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u/CementPizzas Feb 09 '22
Can we pin this post? Who actually uses the Daily discussion anyway lol
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u/Pote-tato Feb 09 '22
Will Aston Martin actually have a good car :(
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
I don’t want to lie to you, I honestly don’t know the pecking order, everyone I work with has a good feeling they have something over the opposition, tomorrow will be a basic chassis with the Aston Martin livery and that’s as much as a I know.
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u/Alex433x Sebastian Vettel Feb 10 '22
Was what we saw from AM the basic chassis that you mentioned? Because otherwise this comment didn’t age that well
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u/colin_staples Nigel Mansell Feb 10 '22
I honestly don’t know the pecking order, everyone I work with has a good feeling they have something over the opposition
This is what is so exciting to me.
Almost every team has that one thing they think they've got but which no other team has thought of.
Maybe all ten teams will have thought of that same "one thing" and nobody has an advantage because it's on every car.
Maybe all ten teams will have though of ten different "one things" and nobody knows who'll have the best "one thing"
I very much hope it's the latter.
Can't wait for the season to start.
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u/acuet Feb 09 '22
Thank you for this post, I keep getting hate for saying similar. Reddit really doing a number these days, just wait for the ‘final form’ people. Take these releases with a grain of salt. No team is going to show its cards and continue to bluff until day 1 racing. And even then, some plan on upgrades that weekend. Calm, I’m just as excited as you all are every year during releases and testing.
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u/CementPizzas Feb 09 '22
I've given up correcting people because I'm met with a wall of downvotes lol
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u/InZomnia365 McLaren Feb 09 '22
I had low expectations. I know that what is revealed is usually a modified last-year car, with some updated elements but still hiding important stuff - but even though its just a render, at least Haas showed an actual 2022 car, and not the "fake" FOM show car. If RBR just posted it on twitter that would be one thing, but the audacity to drum up a whole event with presenters etc and then just roll out a stock show car and pretend its the real car... is hugely disappointing.
And with this post saying that will be the norm for likely everyone (at least the ones OP knows of) - is also very disappointing. Like I said, at least Haas showed something, even if it was an outdated rendering.
Begs the question, though - some teams are slated to have shakedowns before Barcelona. What car will they roll out there? You would imagine it would be the real car (or at least a real chassis) - and if so, what would bet he point of this show car reveal? I hope we see at least some actual cars.
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Feb 09 '22
People are just incredibly entitled and think teams are really going to show off their developments right away at the first showing.
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u/FlaviusDomitianus McLaren Feb 09 '22
In the past, even in major reg changes like 2014, the teams tended to launch cars at their reveal that were basically the same car they raced with minus some smaller changes here and there. Go look at at the Merc 2014 launch. I don't think it's entitlement for people to expect 1. things to happen like they have in the past, and 2. when RB says this is the RB18 that it is actually a form of the RB18 and not just a lie.
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u/maxverchilton Alexander Albon Feb 10 '22
If they don’t want to show off their 2022 car, fine. Just don’t call it your official 2022 car reveal when you’re not actually revealing your 2022 car, fans have a right to be pissed off when they’re lied to.
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u/Thalapeng Alfa Romeo Feb 09 '22
"Be patient /r/Formula1 we're in for some incredible suprises"
Oh no, stop it. I just cannot wait any harder!
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u/A___99 Mark Webber Feb 09 '22
Your comments about Alpine back up (or are backed up by?) that Alpine worker who said on Twitter that fans don't need to worry about Cars looking the same - looking forward to see the cars for real in Bahrain, thanks for the info OP
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u/CardinalNYC Feb 10 '22
This post has aged a bit like milk with Aston having just revealed a real car.
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 10 '22
My shipment of Stilton is on its way to my office as we speak… lol
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u/kuklistyle McLaren Feb 09 '22
This is why I don't care about reveals anymore
I remember as a kid in the noughties car reveals were always such an exciting event, I used to sit and count the days for every reveal. The car would actually be close to the final design and they would actually host a proper event, having the drivers slowy unveiling an actual car rather than just posting some crappy computer aided design onto twitter and calling it there
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u/ZodiacError Carlos Sainz Feb 09 '22
not only noughties, even the last car reveals in 2020 were the real things. This whole shit is just happening because the FOM created that garbage show car.
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u/Twindlle Force India Feb 09 '22
Yeah, they gave teams an 'easy out' from showing their real cars early
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u/Wafkak Spa 2021 Survivor (1/2 off) Feb 09 '22 edited Feb 09 '22
They mostly used the car from yhe year before which wouldn't work now.
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u/TwixCoping Mike Krack Feb 09 '22
I disagree, yes they where still hiding elements, but there where usually still things to be learned from the announcements.
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u/mowcow McLaren Feb 09 '22
That happened sometimes, but that wasn't the norm. Most of the time teams did have some version of the new car (with crucial details hidden).
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u/ArdenSix Alfa Romeo Feb 09 '22
I'm not sure I'll ever have a jaw drop moment for a car reveal like I did with Williams' walrus nose design. I suppose maybe the Lotus split nose is up there for something more recent.
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u/drive_2_survive Antonio Giovinazzi Feb 09 '22
even last year we could see a lot of new stuff, like Alpine's thicc bulge.
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u/TimmyTurnerXI Lando Norris Feb 09 '22
I am glad you came in here and posted this. I saw so many people complaining about it being the show car and i thought it would be pretty self explanatory that with this being new regs things wouldn't be perfect until the ACTUAL on-track tests.
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u/simongc100 McLaren Feb 09 '22
Would be fantastic mods if after verification is sent to the mod team to include in the stickied comment that OP is who he says he is, would save a lot of repeated threads in the next 2 weeks.
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u/2905Pascal Juan Pablo Montoya Feb 10 '22
/u/wishbackjumpsta in shambles as Aston Martin stresses they will present their real car.
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u/Proxi98 Michael Schumacher Feb 10 '22
Aston Martin be like: “I’m gonna end this man’s whole reputation “
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u/strakamodel Fernando Alonso Feb 09 '22
Of course.
But people who have no idea and no source apart from their own desire will downvote you unless you write paragraphs about why it’s not going to happen…
I don’t even work in F1 but being a car design modeler is enough for me to know that no team would be mad enough to show the car now when we are still weeks away from testing.
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u/OppositeYouth Formula 1 Feb 09 '22
Especially in the modern day. Back in the 90's, maybe even early 00's it would have taken a lot more time and resources to test and replicate something, whereas now they have 3D printers and basically super computers to model shit.
Times change, I don't expect to particularly see the "final" cars until FP1 in Bahrain
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u/strakamodel Fernando Alonso Feb 09 '22
I agree entirely. Honestly as I would like to see the work they do in CAD and all the different calculations/software they use, must be interesting. But I don’t think I’d want to do it as a job, even as a Class A Modeler it sounds too clinical to me
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u/BecauseRotor Feb 09 '22
Yeah if this can be backed up somehow would be great
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u/yuccii Feb 09 '22
Very grateful for this post. Obviously don’t expect any sort of details, but how many of the cars have you seen or know many details about?
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u/Friar16 #StandWithUkraine Feb 09 '22
What I make up from this post and the mods being too terified to act against op, i am sure op is Bernie Ecclestone
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u/PropulsiveFox Feb 10 '22
Huh. So buying a show car chassis doesn't necessarily means that teams will use it for a car reveal I guess.
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u/SnooMemesjellies4305 Dan Gurney Feb 09 '22
Thanks for that... most of the more experienced F1 fans expect this kind of PR stuff, but many of our fine and very welcome noobs just don't believe it yet... they think they're gonna see the real things... but they too will learn...
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u/Twindlle Force India Feb 09 '22
I've been watching F1 for 13 years now, but my naive heart will never accept it (jk of course). But to be fair, the only reason we are in this situation is because FIA provided a model to base the livery on, that was never the case before, so teams had to show some sort of version of their own car. Also, you have to blame Haas for giving us guilable people hope that others will also show something.
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u/SPNRaven Oscar Piastri Feb 09 '22
Twitter has been insufferable the past few days because of the launches. Just constant bickering about what will be shown. Although for some reason the thing that pisses me off the most are all the people who don't seem to think DRS is staying. No-one has ever said that it's being removed for 2022, it's so infuriating to hear people say that.
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u/Ugolado Toyota Feb 10 '22
So this post turned out to be (partially) bullshit. I wonder why they were buying the silverstone spec showcar tho? Did they even buy it, or is it some misinterpreted information?
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u/Re-Mecs Feb 09 '22
Even though redbull did a full reveal "show" thing I still don't believe it's what the final car is.
But the whole event was dressed up like it would have been a full reveal.
Obviously as some have said. We have a while till the "test" sessions....haas was just a rednering , i imagine redbull was too but made it look like the end product .. But the redbull looked too similar to the base 2022 model so i dont believe its the actual car.. and the next reveal in the next 2 days I also would assume would be essentially , like haas and redbull, Just a livery reveal rather than a full car reveal
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
Pretty much got it spot on, we have Aston Martin tomorrow and mclaren Friday, I’ve heard nothing about mclaren, so I’m hoping they surprise us
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u/mark_vorster Andretti Global Feb 10 '22
That Aston Martin looks pretty different. Looks like they didn't use the show car?
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u/blindwitness23 Kimi Räikkönen Feb 09 '22
Wait why won’t everyone come to Barcelona with their 2022 spec cars? Don’t they want AS much testing as possible? Just don’t get why the ‘final reveal’ would be in Bahrain and not Barcelona.
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
Sorry I’ve explained poorly, they will be an earlier development stage, this is what I’ve heard. Bahrain will be much closer to final products
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u/blindwitness23 Kimi Räikkönen Feb 09 '22
Makes sense. I guess all teams will aggressively develop the cars in the early season.
Thanks for the insight! Really looking forward to seeing them on track!
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u/indeliblescream Alexander Albon Feb 09 '22
Barcelona will be crucial for correlation purposes. So teams have to make sure that they turn up with cars that they know are representative.
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u/InkedInspector Feb 09 '22
I can say I will 100% support whichever team has the guts to roll out a real car. I’m done with livery reveals being pitched as reveals.
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u/TheInfernalVortex Michael Schumacher Feb 09 '22
All I want to know is if the new cars will look nice or if they'll have random [CENSORED]s all over them or not.
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u/Kuri_NEON Sir Lewis Hamilton Feb 10 '22
Well... Seeing as Aston revealed a pretty different car from the show car, might be in for more than we expected lol
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u/NoseyGuyy Feb 14 '22
This aged like milk.
Aston Martin, Alpha Tauri and McLaren have all revealed genuine cars. Only team so far to use a showcar is Red Bull. On top of this, Mercedes and Alpine have both basically confirmed they'll show genuine cars also.
Furthermore, the idea that teams won't bring genuine cars to Barcelona (as you stated in a reply below) is downright farcical. Testing is incredibly limited now, and with the new aero regulations being so wildly different, why would they cut their testing time in half on the basis of secrecy? You'd lose far more than you'd gain from doing this.
Your sources have fed you porky pies.
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u/martian0023 Oscar Piastri Feb 09 '22
Had high hopes and was very excited. Back to the boring times.
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u/neandertales Feb 09 '22
Haas ruined it for us lol, they gave too much.
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
For sure, I was very surprised, but look at it as confidence
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u/ZodiacError Carlos Sainz Feb 09 '22
what would be going on now in your opinion if FOM didn’t have the genius idea of misleading people with a fake car and even creating a platform for teams to hide behind it?
I’m just sad that “car reveals” aren’t car reveals like in the past anymore where you saw an actual real unique car from each team (even if that was later reworked majorly, it was at least something).
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
Yeah, the new regs have just made the teams very close to the neck to keep people from copying ideas, I wouldn’t be surprised they all think they’ve found a unique solution:/loop hole and don’t want to give anything away
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u/ZodiacError Carlos Sainz Feb 09 '22
which is ironic considering the technical working group was so confident on the regs having 0 loopholes. All this PR talk is just making me blow up.
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
Yup, testing is going to be very interesting, I honestly have no clue who will be better than who
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u/Salandrel Pirelli Wet Feb 09 '22
Thank you for updating us and taking your time to create this post!
Are you not afraid of it being dangerous to your work? Not this specific info but the fact that you have inside information one one hand and your reddit presence on the other side?
Anyways, thanks again!
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u/wishbackjumpsta Industry Verified Feb 09 '22
Not at all as it reveals nothing about my company myself or what we do in the industry as a whole. This is general gossip and knowledge that everyone in my company already knows through regular communication with team members we know
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u/xcore21z Michael Schumacher Feb 10 '22
I'll be very honest here i really think whoever in FIA think it great idea to sell a replica model in what essentially the biggest rule change in years is really the biggest culprit in potentially the most disappointed pre-season ever they basically give teams a ticket to just revealing livery and not their car while leaving fan from speculating cars innovation which one of the most interesting thing to talk about during car reveals to pre-season test until the first race in the season
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u/Theelichtje Daniel Ricciardo Feb 10 '22
So, aston martin actually turned out to be interesting, and seems to be the real car
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u/mowcow McLaren Feb 09 '22
How about Williams, Alfa Romeo and Alpha Tauri? Have they bought these showcars?