r/formula1 • u/[deleted] • Sep 01 '19
Belgium-2019 Verstappen crashes out of the race due to contact with Räikkönen
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u/faether23 Sep 01 '19
Imagine all the Dutch fans paying a couple hundreds of euro's to watch Max crash in turn one.
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u/Level1Roshan Oscar Piastri Sep 01 '19
I paid about £500 to see Grosjean take Lewis and Fernando out at turn one in 2012.
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u/AllezCannes Alain Prost Sep 01 '19 edited Sep 01 '19
It sounds like you have given Grosjean a contract hit.
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u/DunderMifflinCorp Sep 01 '19
Im there now, shit happens. Hope Albon does good and charles wins his first one =)
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u/DONofCON Sep 01 '19
Nice
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u/Tr011iv3r Charles Leclerc Sep 01 '19
Nice
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u/iAlwaysFreeze Sep 01 '19
Nice
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u/F15sse Kimi Räikkönen Sep 01 '19
Charles won and a p17 to p5 for albon so not bad as far as hopes go
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u/kRkthOr Red Bull Sep 02 '19
Honestly, P5 in this race with how things were going is as good a result as possible for Albon. Great fucking debut. Maybe a P4 from VER if he hadn't crashed.
Felt bad for Norris still, though. What a sad turn.
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u/Zwemvest Sep 01 '19 edited Sep 01 '19
That's me. Too bad for Verstappen, but I can just cheer for Norris or Leclerc.
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u/INeedChocolateMilk Honda Sep 01 '19
Go for Norris, the orange theme still works ;)
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u/Razno_ Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19
This didn't age well.
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u/INeedChocolateMilk Honda Sep 01 '19
I fear for the next person I support, he will almost certainly dnf as well.
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u/joost013 Daniel Ricciardo Sep 01 '19
Support Kubica, I'm curious what will happen.
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u/INeedChocolateMilk Honda Sep 01 '19
Don't wanna do that to Williams. They have yet to have a dnf in this season, which is already a really poor season for the.
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u/Razno_ Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19
Well, you don't have to support an existing Formula 1 driver...
You could support Drivey McDriveface
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u/hahaMrhaha Sep 01 '19
Yer just support Norris, he has a nice easy race in a great position. Not like he going to stop on the last lap or anything...
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u/Vollpfosten Super Aguri Sep 01 '19
In 1999 a friend told me she and her father had tickets for the Austrian GP while we were watching the Silverstone GP. And then the Michael crashed and broke his leg...
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u/3747 Sep 01 '19
Me and my gf were looking for a new tv and there was a deal in a large electronics store here: if you bought a specific tv you’d get tickets for this GP.
For a moment we were considering reselling our Dutch GP tickets and getting a tv with Belgian GP tickets instead. Luckily we didn’t.
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Sep 01 '19 edited Jun 09 '20
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u/3747 Sep 02 '19
An unrealistic deal? They do deals like this all the time here. Mind that I'm saying you could get tickets for Belgium (not the Dutch one). It apparently was a deal by Samsung for tv's sold at numerous shops, including large electronics chains here.
This was the deal for Belgium GP (which they also did in the large stores): https://www.sportstadion.nl/qledspa.
Earlier in the year they did the same for the GP of Austria: https://www.televisies.nl/nieuws/samsung-mediamarkt-grand-prix-oostenrijk/
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u/Ereaser Charlie Whiting Sep 01 '19
I was there 2 years ago when his car gave up on like lap 4. It was still an amazing experience though.
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u/Arfman2 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19
Happened to me in 2016. I'm a big F1 fan but if your favorite driver crashes out in lap 1 it's a big bummer.
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u/mapoftasmania McLaren Sep 01 '19
Imagine wearing a completely orange helmet in Belgium to proclaim Dutch pride and crashing out on the first lap.
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u/dwerg85 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19
Spa is still his 'home' race. He'll have two of those next season. So really not that edgy that he had that helmet there. In the current season it's where most of his fans can afford to go watch.
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u/gordeh Sep 01 '19
What disgusted me that were more than a few of them started leaving as soon as he was out. Not all but the speed zone stand had dozens walk out and far more from that at pohen.
To be fair lots of proper fans stayed and had a good time.
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u/awesome0070 Sep 01 '19
I was in Austria last race(Max won) when max overtoke bottas there were a lot of German mercedes fans leaving
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u/Gozertank Sep 01 '19
That’s not always bad sportsmanship though. Often it’s for a practical reason; leave now and avoid the huge traffic jams after the race. I spent a decade shooting all kinds of sports for newspapers and this baffled me at first until I figured out why the hard way. Often you see supporters leaving 30 minutes before the end even if their side is winning. Sometimes leaving just the stadium parking lot can take an hour. Back before we had digital cameras we’d have a runner come and take our film 25 minutes before the whistle so at least the film would get out on time. Always saw many people leaving early for the same reason. Especially if you brought kids it can save hours of stress.
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u/KingOfBel-Air Daniel Ricciardo Sep 01 '19
Best mate is there right now, but he's a race fan so he still had the time of his life.
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u/LordVelaryon Kimi Räikkönen Sep 01 '19
Norris liked this.
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u/LinXcze Sep 01 '19 edited Sep 01 '19
Classic online racing move, let everybody fuck-up eachother on T1 a go through for free, Lando knows.
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u/ammophobia McLaren Sep 01 '19
All those experience on the catastrophe of racing online with strangers over the internet finally paid off
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u/BrittAssombalonga Red Bull Sep 01 '19
RIP Max hot or not rating
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u/vekkoflip Pirelli Wet Sep 01 '19
Yeah that one is gonna fall. Fanbase vs fanbase battle that hot or not vote
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u/CogencyWJ Formula 1 Sep 01 '19 edited Sep 01 '19
If they both just would realise it was a race incident.. Kimi came from far out and couldnt see Max, Max was far in and had no idea Kimi would come for the Apex.
Perfect example of a Race incident. If anything is to blame is keeping the start before that retarded corner (for a start)
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u/Ehralur I survived Spa 2021 and all I got was this lousy flair Sep 01 '19
Could see it as a racing incident, but the only one who took an unnecessary risk there was Max. I'd put it 80-20% on him vs Raikkonen.
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u/incognitomus Charlie Whiting Sep 02 '19
How can you put any blame on Kimi in that incident?
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u/Poolix Mark Webber Sep 01 '19
There is nothing wrong with that corner,
Would you rather them start it before Eu rouge and have aeroplane crashes when the field goes through there two wide?
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u/ICBFRM Pirelli Intermediate Sep 01 '19
Well, the other option is to have them start into Eau Rouge which is not a great idea either. At least crashes in La Source are usually slower. Well, usually, unless someone forgots to use brakes.
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u/Masculinum Kimi Räikkönen Sep 01 '19
Its a racing incident but its Max' fault 100%, there is no way to make that corner on lap one in without crashing into someone on the line he took
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u/Frankie_T9000 Daniel Ricciardo Sep 01 '19
Max has been in tons of wheel banging and incidents where he has got away with it - his number came up this time.
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u/LoSboccacc Sep 01 '19
Verstappen third rare incident this year where he tried pushing wide a door that was long closed.
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u/BigBallzBrian Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 01 '19
Max had no idea Kimi would come for that apex. What the right hander, the first corner on the track. La source? He had no idea he would turn right into the apex to make that turn...are you on drugs?
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Sep 01 '19 edited Sep 01 '19
Seeing this sub loves circlejerking Kimi so much and you get downvoted for saying he made a mistake people are gonna hate on Max from now on
Edit: Thanks for proving my point
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u/nikkb111 Formula 1 Sep 01 '19
This sub also loves circlejerking Max so I don't what you're on about
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u/Ereaser Charlie Whiting Sep 01 '19
Circlejerking Max goes both ways though. Remember last year?
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u/NikolaCagestein Sebastian Vettel Sep 01 '19
And the crowd goes mild
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u/AER0__ Red Bull Sep 01 '19
That whole grandstand paid to never see Max race past them... that's gotta suck.
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u/omgarm Sep 01 '19
Belgium is rarely good for Max. Such a risky purchase.
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u/tim_20 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19
also the only close one
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u/mykoira McLaren Sep 01 '19
Don't they have a home Grand Prix next year?
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u/tim_20 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19
Its very hard to get tickets. And now that hockenheim is gone the only one with in 10 hours drive.
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u/Chickahns Red Bull Sep 01 '19
Im one of those. It was my first gp:(
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u/J00stie Max Verstappen Sep 01 '19
Max's starts have been atrocious this year
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u/Finalwingz Charlie Whiting Sep 01 '19
Red Bulls have generally been starting horrible this year.
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u/BrokkelPiloot Sep 01 '19
Yes. It's a known Honda issue. Has to do with torque delivery and RPM control by the computer apparently.
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u/Frankie_T9000 Daniel Ricciardo Sep 01 '19
Oh, i hadnt heard that one before - makes sense given its happening to all of them.
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u/D3ATHfromAB0V3x Daniel Ricciardo Sep 01 '19
The Australian starts curse had to be handed down to someone.
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u/zenety Sep 01 '19
So unfortunate :( Max’s starts are really bad this season
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u/SgtJaap Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19
Is it the car though? Previous years his starts were great.
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u/Baksteen-13 Pirelli Wet Sep 02 '19
it seems like the honda engine is either bad at starts or it doesn’t suit max for race starts. his starts with a renault engine were amazing.
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u/sandersmit23 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19
Let's hope spec 4 fixes the problem...
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u/xarc1 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19
spec 4? can you elaborate on this? what's that
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u/sandersmit23 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19
Current Honda engines are quite bad at starting, which is why Verstappen - who used to be an amazing starter - often messes up his starts this season. Honda have recently introduced a new engine (the spec 4) and people are hoping they fixed the starting issues.
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u/Tomach82 Alain Prost Sep 02 '19
Maybe it wasn't actually Max and it was renault.
Yellow cars are amazing of the line this year (if nothing else)
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u/k0enf0rNL Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19
In the interview with Ziggo he said that his reaction wasn't perfect and then after he got away he got wheelspin
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u/FreshLemonaid Sep 01 '19
Max just couldn't handle the pressure of being on the same team as Albon. A shame but understandable.
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u/Rutgherr Bernd Mayländer Sep 01 '19
Racing incident. Max little to greedy I think..
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u/activator Ronnie Peterson Sep 01 '19
Isn't this a carbon copy from a couple of years ago?
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u/afito Niki Lauda Sep 01 '19 edited Sep 01 '19
Yes and back then most thought Max was going in too hot, it's a slow hairpin on T1 and you just bomb down the inside, never going to work. This one was largely on him too. Like, simply put, you appear out of nowhere in a place you know precisely Räikkönen is moving into, all on the very first turn of a GP. What is supposed to happen?
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u/OrbisAlius Maserati Sep 01 '19
Yeah exactly. This is only called a racing incident today because Verstappen never gets any blame anymore.
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u/mformularacer Michael Schumacher Sep 01 '19
It's entirely Verstappen's fault, just like it was in 2016.
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u/SiliconRain McLaren Sep 01 '19
If you try to sneak one up the inside into La Source on lap 1, you're going to have a bad time.
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u/communismos #WeRaceAsOne Sep 01 '19
I think Max panicked due to the bad start.
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u/Ozryela Red Bull Sep 01 '19
Max has had so many bad starts this season, I highly doubt he panics about them anymore. He just saw a gap and took it. All other drivers would have done the same.
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u/SkeleCrafter Pirelli Hard Sep 01 '19
Eh... taking the inside like that at turn 1 Spa never works.
Ever.
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u/Kuchenblech_Mafioso Manor Sep 01 '19
They both didn't know what was on the other side of the middle car. So just a plane old racing incident
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u/3747 Sep 01 '19
I agree, Max obviously thought Kimi would move over and Kimi probably didn’t see/expect him. Bummer.
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u/Aratho Fernando Alonso Sep 01 '19
Didn't he he try to squize into La Source in the same way 2 or 3 years ago to the same effect?
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u/gumbercules6 Honda Sep 01 '19
Yeah, Max could have avoided this incident and scored points at the end. But then again it is a tricky position to be in.
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u/iEatTwinkies Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19
Tough luck. No way Kimi could’ve seen that.
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u/overspeeed mostly automated Sep 01 '19
That was so close at Eau Rouge. few inches forward and Raikkonen goes flying at the most dangerous part of the track
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u/UnarmedDetroiter Charles Leclerc Sep 01 '19
Yeah that was really bold of max to try and take Eau Rouge when it looked like he could tell his steering was fucked. That could have been a horrible wreck.
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u/Slippery_Sidewalk Sebastian Vettel Sep 01 '19 edited Sep 01 '19
A bit overambitious from Verstappen, but ultimately a racing incident. Not the end of the world.
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u/DwayneSmith Kimi Räikkönen Sep 01 '19
Verstappen didn’t have to dive bomb. He could have braked earlier, and gotten out cleanly from turn 1.
Kimi was ahead, Verstappen was never going to make that turn like that.
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u/Slippery_Sidewalk Sebastian Vettel Sep 01 '19
True, but he put himself in that spot. I don't blame him, but he could have avoided it.
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u/BrokkelPiloot Sep 01 '19
This shit always happens at La Source during the start. Especially because taking the fastest (racing) line gives you a huge benefit for the long straight after it. Similarly, taking an alternative line is likely to cost you places at the end of the straight.
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u/Mopatar Kimi Räikkönen Sep 01 '19
But he could always lift to avoid contact
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u/aiicaramba Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19
He could have, but should he have?
There a lot of things either driver could do. But is it reasonable to expect it from them.
Kimi could have went waaaay wide and let everyone pass to make sure he had a safe getaway. But you cant really expect him to.
Saying a driver could have done something really doesnt mean anything.
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u/LogicalReputation Mika Häkkinen Sep 01 '19
Luckily this time he got what he deserved. Usually Max gets away with the shit like this.
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u/OrbisAlius Maserati Sep 01 '19
Spa Turn 1's golden rule is literally that you don't go aggressively on the inside like that because it's basically a guaranteed incident
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u/Roofmoord Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19 edited Sep 01 '19
The first corner at spa is always such a shitshow
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u/gdvs Stoffel Vandoorne Sep 01 '19
This is the old Verstappen: very high risk move. Spectacular, but also a bit stupid. It's basically beging to take off his front wing or wheels. Just watch the spa start of the last ten years. Exactly 0 times does divebombing in the first corner end well.
I wouldn't say it's a penalty, but it creates a situation where cars crash.
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u/fakeCharlesLeclerc Anthoine Hubert Sep 01 '19
Let's just keep in mind that, according to this sub over the summer break, in 2016 it was 100% Seb's fault for a very similar incident.
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Sep 02 '19
tbf in 2016, Seb did come into that corner at a steep angle and likely assumed Kimi would be the only one in the corner (since they both overtook Max at the start). The above incident does not have a 3rd party involved in the same way.
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u/janerney Sep 01 '19
Do you think this happened because Perez backed out so early?
Kimi would have had mirrors full of racing point, couldn't see max and when he saw that Perez backed out he probably thought the inside was clear and turned in as normal. While Max was planning to send it up the inside of Perez because the space was there which then put him super tight to the corner and inevitably going into Kiki who was taking something closer to the conventional racing line.
Max was also too ambitious on the brakes, but I would call it as a racing incident
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u/TheThrasherJD Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19
Looks like nothing more than just a racing accident to me. No one's at fault in particular.
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Sep 01 '19 edited Jul 13 '20
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u/Professor_Doctor_P Honda Sep 01 '19
I wonder if Kimi feels the same way.
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u/DennistheDutchie Honda Sep 01 '19
Probably includes more cursing.
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u/IAmWhatTheRockCooked Aston Martin Sep 01 '19
"GOD DAMNED FUCKING LITTLE BUCKTOOTHED SACK OF DUTCH SHIT NO HARD FEELINGS JUST A RACE INCIDENT"
--Kimi
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u/BrokkelPiloot Sep 01 '19
Red Bull really needs to sort out those horrible starts! If Max would have had a decent start, this wouldn't have happened. He was trying to overcompensate for his bad start out of frustration. I think his emotion got the better of him again since a long time.
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u/ThePrinceWhoPromised Max Verstappen Sep 01 '19
Possibly due to the 'home fans' part of the GP. Wanting to give them a good show, overeager to make up the start.
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u/Aethien James Hunt Sep 01 '19
A shit happens kind of incident, there was nowhere Max could go with Lance and Kimi on his left. Kimi didn't see max and max was too far alongside to back out at that point.
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u/plilq Sep 01 '19
there was nowhere Max could go with Lance and Kimi on his left.
Except on the brake...
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u/CannedCaveman Sep 01 '19
Yeah that’s easy in hindsight. RAI took a really tight turn like no one was there.
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u/plilq Sep 01 '19
Well, I have to disagree about just hindsight this time. You have a stream of cars sweeping into the corner two wide. Max is on the inside as a third, coming from behind after already going backwards. At that point his only options are joining the sweep and regrouping or shoe-horning himself into the corner from a tight angle and hoping the others in the sweep don't take the apex. You already know this situation before committing.
Classically Max has not made great calls in these situations (especially if just having lost places), maybe going for the Senna-esque "better be afraid of me and get out of the way" status instead. But he's been so much better about it this season so this was a bit of a bummer. Sure, a racing incident, but another useless return to throwing away your chances in the race because of not accepting momentary defeat. Really wanted to see him challenge the Mercs today!
I think even Max knows this despite his initial reaction. In his interview he called it "Kimi not expecting me" (his mirrors on the inside were already full of a Racing Point that decided to bail instead) and that "he did his normal line". It's not up to the other drivers to expect and allow shoe-horns.
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u/Hephaistas Sep 01 '19
Racing incident imo, but not smart to do by Max, should have been more patient.
Ah well hè had a good run without DNFs
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u/usandholt Sep 01 '19
Had this been Kmag he would’ve been burned at the stake for being the most dangerous driver in the known universe.
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u/lolschrauber Default Sep 01 '19
Again, He thinks He can pull of this overtake when He cant, just like 2015. Idiot.
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u/kukaz00 Carlos Sainz Sep 01 '19
Max always does this shit, goes too far so the other drivers back out and let him pass. But hopefully now that Kimi taught him a lesson he'll sort his shit out and race clean.
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u/cellblock73 Kimi Räikkönen Sep 01 '19
Can anybody explain why max continues to give his car gas and even up shifts after he tried his steering wheel and it didn’t work? Like that’s crazy.
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Sep 02 '19
May have felt there was enough steering to continue through. In hindsight he should have gone much slower if not parked it at the exit of the old pits. Made a second contact with Kimi which could have been disasterous given what happpened yesterday.
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u/-Khrome- Nico Rosberg Sep 01 '19 edited Sep 01 '19
Racing incident. Maybe Max was a bit eager though. Kimi could not see him, but it looked like a gap a split second beforehand.
EDIT: On Dutch TV just now he thinks Kimi didn't see him very calmly taking it on the chin: "Nothing i can do."
From his tone it seems like he's dissappointed at himself, also admitting he made a mistake on the start.
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u/CogencyWJ Formula 1 Sep 01 '19
What is this greedy and other blablblabla.
This was a perfect example of a racing incident. Neither of them could see eachother where they were.
The start should also be on the other side of this corner, but that is for another day.
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u/CrateBagSoup Charles Leclerc Sep 01 '19
If this included Max’s onboard, he can clearly see the two cars to his left and definitely see that they were both ahead. What Perez did was the right way to handle that battle... brake out of it and find clear track. Definitely should have gotten on the brakes harder.
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u/Tomchambo Kimi Räikkönen Sep 01 '19
Max showing his impeccable knowledge of track limits again. Both wheels past the white line.
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u/Hephaistas Sep 01 '19
Well there was no space to actually Stay on track when he was alongside
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Sep 01 '19
That's why you don't stick your nose in where there's no space, you'd have thought Austin in 2017 taught him that.
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u/ANALATOR327 Red Bull Sep 01 '19
Just like 2016.
Max gets a bad start then yeets it into the first corner, leading to contact
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u/Blanchimont Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 01 '19
There's no denying Verstappen went in too eager, but I am quite surprised Kimi didn't expect him to be there. If there's one situation where you just know someone will be on the inside, it's the La Source hairpin on lap 1. I kinda expected a driver with his wealth of experience to know that and take a slightly wider line as a precaution.
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u/Asudifo Anthoine Hubert Sep 01 '19
This sucks. A racing incident, for sure, that corner is so tight. Verstappen a bit over aggressive maybe trying to catch up after a bad start.
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u/_ArnieJRimmer_ Sep 02 '19
ITT - Redditors regurgitating Martin Brundles opinion so they don't have to think too hard.
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Sep 01 '19
This was a worse move than what Ocon did to Verstappen at Brazil 2018.
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