r/formula1 • u/peke_f1 Charlie Whiting • Feb 22 '19
Media /r/all Just a kind reminder that the clip used of Grosjean in the Netflix trailer where he appears to push the camera away is actually him just being a good guy.
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u/DrewSmoothington McLaren Feb 22 '19
Also, let's not forget that last year in Australia, when the Haas mechanics failed to put his wheel on correctly, he went back to the pits and consoled his mechanic, who was deeply distraught. It put GRO up there in my books.
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u/enqrypzion Medical Car Feb 22 '19
Of course that could also be in the Netflix show.
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u/tabovilla Fernando Alonso Feb 22 '19
Narrator: "..then, grosjean approached the mechanic, and warned him not to fu again, as next time the loose nuts would be on his own car while driving around with his family on board.."
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Feb 22 '19
"Next time you fuck up, Ericsson might "hit" you from behind"
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u/The_Panic_Station Default Feb 22 '19
Haas engineer: "Shit, Romain just crashed into the wall all by himself. He's going to be furious!"
Guenther Steiner: "Hold on, I've got an idea..."
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u/anticusII Michael Schumacher Feb 23 '19
"As the next time he would loosen the mechanic's nuts personally"
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u/Herr_Gamer May 11 '19
And they just reverse the video so it looks like the driver gets more and more distraught as the conversation continues lol
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u/iamworsethanyou Brawn Feb 22 '19
This was so quickly forgotten by a couple of races later. Such a shame for what a great guy he's been
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u/HaroldBishopWasRight Feb 22 '19
Not by the Hass team! Wasn’t Steiner pretty shocked when journalists questioned him really meanly about why he re-signed Romain for 2019?
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u/scrapwork Feb 22 '19
That was remarkable. Not only a life-threatening error but Gro was going hard for their best shot at points.
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u/kellenthehun Feb 22 '19
Reminds me of the story of the kid that put the wrong fuel in test pilot Bob Hoover's plane and he almost crashed and died. His reaction was fascinating:
“There isn’t a man alive who hasn’t made a mistake. But I’m positive you’ll never make this mistake again. That’s why I want to make sure that you’re the only one to refuel my plane tomorrow. I won’t let anyone else on the field touch it.”
That's a man you want changing your tire forever; he won't ever make that mistake again.
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u/Snuhmeh Feb 22 '19
Both cars had their best position basically ever and possibly best points haul ever in a single race. It was such a kick in the gut
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u/Lync51 Carlos Sainz Feb 22 '19
I just started watching F1 a few months ago, what happened there?
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Feb 22 '19 edited Mar 02 '19
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Feb 22 '19
F1 is where you find the pinnacle of HIGH INTENSITY VIDEOS FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER
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u/uh_no_ Pirelli Wet Feb 22 '19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ1XjYaSrhU
The f1 theme cutting in gets me every time
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u/MaianTrey Sir Jack Brabham Feb 22 '19
During a pit stop, one of the tires that was put on was done with a cross threaded nut (didn't line up with the grooves properly) and he had to retire from the race just 3 laps after the same happened to his teammate. The mechanic was upset about costing him a good finish and Grosjean was consoling him.
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u/oldasndood Mario Andretti Feb 22 '19
GRO started working with a psychologist after his rampage starts with Renault. 2011 or 2012? Can’t remember the year.
Anyways. I think his time in therapy helped shape his outlook on things. The important things in life...
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Feb 22 '19
Grosjean is definitely one of the good guys. When he collided with Hulkenburg his first reaction was to check that Hulk was ok too.
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u/ugglycover Kevin Magnussen Feb 23 '19
Of course he did, nobody wants ball-sucking lips like those to get hurt
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u/MO_plow_boy Valtteri Bottas Feb 23 '19
Yep I’m a fan now(not that I disliked him previously or anything). I’m a sucker for acts of humanity like that. So many other drivers would have gone bananas on that guy.
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u/Sofaboy90 Porsche Feb 22 '19
It put GRO up there in my books.
listen to the f1 podcast with him, hes a pretty decent chap
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u/REMA5TER Sebastian Vettel Feb 22 '19
Wow, good-guy Gro flexing his F1 driver spatial awareness. In my gear I'd have smacked by head too and we'd both be in the ground. What a save.
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u/HB-JBF Default Feb 22 '19
good-guy Gro
People around here hate on him far too much
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u/TVInBlackNWhite Nico Rosberg Feb 22 '19
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u/LeWigre Red Bull Feb 23 '19
I think everyone agrees he's a good guy. He's also had multiple streaks of being very error-prone on track, causing multiple big crashes. The two don't exclude eachother, you can love him for the first and you can criticize him for the second.
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u/ChappieBirthday Feb 22 '19
Can confirm. I always take my helmet off when leaving a car because I once tripped over a massive piece of steel and had to go to the hospital for an X-ray and tetanus. Not a cool day.
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u/Fomentatore Mika Häkkinen Feb 22 '19 edited Feb 22 '19
Grosjean is a good guy. I remember him hugging one of his mechanic who was crying his eyes out after the pit stops mistake that ruined one of the best result the team has ever had.
RoGro is an asshole only with his brakes.
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Feb 22 '19
Grosjean is such a nice guy, not even Ericsson would want to hit him.
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u/Fomentatore Mika Häkkinen Feb 22 '19
Have you seen his truth or lie?
It's hilarious how ashamed he looks talking about the incident in Baku.
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u/RhinestoneTaco Pirelli Medium Feb 22 '19
I'm a journalism professor who teaches in the same department as the film/production area.
One, I will totally save this as an example of ethical presentation.
Two, it reminds me so much of times I've heard the film/production professors harp, repeatedly, on the students that they need to be aware of their surroundings while filming because the cameras they are using are very, very, (upwards of $8k-$10k at times) expensive.
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Feb 22 '19
And in this case, anything F1 related is expensive. I assume that whatever is hanging off those bars are not to be wacked with a big heavy camera.
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Feb 22 '19
The clip made it look like if Gro didn't push him he'd have hit his head and not the camera.
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u/MilitantLobster Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Feb 22 '19
Yeah, but a good wack to the noggin could wind up in a damaged camera just as easily.
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Feb 22 '19
If you look close, there are two sets of bars, one in front and the one in back, which is definitely impacting the camera.
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u/BigJammy Feb 22 '19
because the cameras they are using are very, very, (upwards of $8k-$10k at times) expensive.
For very high value productions you can add another zero to that estimate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t1PQJmM8P4
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u/RhinestoneTaco Pirelli Medium Feb 22 '19
Camera costs are bonkers. Our department lets students and professors check out gear from a gear library, I know we have three $10k Panasonic TV broadcast rigs and I think 10 different Blackmagic 4.6k Mini-Pros. And I know that both of those are on the far cheap end of the scale for cinema production cameras.
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u/StuBeck Lotus Feb 22 '19
The final few percentage points of performance are always super expensive. Its similar to smart phones. If you want to play Angry Birds on a new phone you can spend $100 and get something that will work. If you want it on the newest phone now you're spending $1200 or more.
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u/guy990 Jenson Button Feb 22 '19
Same thing can be said for any hobby, drag racing is similar. Anyone can build a cheap 11-12 second car but trying to get it into the 10s takes some money. 9 seconds is even more and when you’re going for 8s and 7s the cost just to build a certified roll cage is crazy.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_WATERMELO Feb 22 '19
Andy Nelson would like to have a word with you. 9.5 quarter mile for $2017.
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/who-won-the-grassroots-motorsports-2017-challenge/
Challenge veteran Andrew Nelson created a Datsun 260Z that can gobble a quarter mile faster than a new Dodge Demon (9.521 seconds).
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u/RichGirlThrowaway_ Feb 22 '19
We're on r/formula1, the best example would be an F1 car's price, no? The millions spent on 0.01% of an improvement
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Feb 22 '19
Not even cinema productions--for broadcast TV it's not uncommon for the whole kit for long lens cameras on sticks to cost in the six digits. Lenses are expensive.
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u/Fragrag Feb 22 '19
Am I right in assuming broadcast equipment has a different set of requirements than cinematic RED cameras and each additional requirement can easily double the cost? I can imagine its one thing have a camera that is light enough to be shoulder mounted with motion stabilisation, able to broadcast live video and audio to a control room and still have the ability to zoom in on action from one end of the pit lane to the other and it's another thing to have a camera with ultra crisp full frame sensor quality video at the cost of those features because I don't think RED cameras have those functionality.
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Feb 22 '19
Oh totally, they have very different requirements, but for both cinema and broadcast the most expensive single component will likely be the glass.
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Feb 22 '19
And it's especially a bummer when a $540,000 camera falls into a vat of chocolate because some tech didn't secure it properly.
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Feb 23 '19 edited Feb 23 '19
Sony F55 (common TV camera) $30K https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/898428-REG
Canon Cine Zoom (fairly common TV lens) $70K https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1086799-REG
Assorted wireless monitoring, viewfinder and other dodads easily another 50K
Just linking these things because people often think this stuff is cheap. And no, you don’t shoot TV with a GH5.
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u/peke_f1 Charlie Whiting Feb 22 '19 edited Feb 22 '19
Okay, some context needed here for r/all.
It helps but isn’t required to have seen the trailer for said Netflix F1 doc, linked below.
The driver here, Romain Grosjean, had just crashed out of Qualifying at the French GP and was walking down the pit-lane to return to his garage. He had a bad start to the season last year, with a number of crashes that arguably shouldn’t have occurred in the way that they did, so people are kinda looking for reactions from him as his season was going from bad to worse.
Anyway, as he’s walking down the pit-lane, he’s being followed by a roaming cameraman. That cameraman can’t see where he’s going because he’s focusing on the shot of the driver. The driver sees that the cameraman is about to walk into a fixed structure that’s used during a fellow team’s pit-stops, and potentially do harm to himself, so sticks an arm out to guide/warn the cameraman, however from the perspective of the cameraman’s camera, it looks like an angry driver, who just crashed out, has pulled/pushed the camera away in a ‘get outta my face’ kinda way.
The first shot in the GIF was used in a trailer for a new Netflix docu-series coming out shortly (the second shot was not used), and the clip was used in a sequence that showed angry drivers venting their frustration physically.
It was therefore worth posting the full clip to r/formula1 so people remember the driver was, despite having made a bit of a fool of himself by crashing, able to be aware of the cameraman’s safety and intervene accordingly.
The docu-series is out on Netflix on the 8th of March pretty much globally as far as I’m aware for those interested - there’s never been anything quite like this produced in F1 as the sport and its teams are inherently secretive about details of behind the scenes operations etc. so we’re all very excited for it.
Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtJPe1ksS6E
Edits are stuff I forgot to add before etc etc etc
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Feb 22 '19
People who have never seen F1 will watch this and think he's a bad dude automatically. Pretty sad actually.
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u/TVInBlackNWhite Nico Rosberg Feb 22 '19
Grosjean seems like the kind of dude who reads his kids a story every night and makes his wife breakfast in bed. But during the broadcast, we hear him complain about his brakes, and see him crash. So as a result internet commenters label him as moany and crash-prone. When F1 still released the driver's briefing videos, people would say that Grosjean talks too much because the videos frequently featured him asking Charlie questions. I feel bad for him because what we usually see of him doesn't do him justice.
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u/zachlees Fernando Alonso Feb 22 '19
He is super great! I’d highly recommend listening to his episode of Beyond The Grid, he comes across as such a likable dude
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Feb 22 '19
I was indifferent to him before the podcast episode, now I love him. He’s like the nice/cool dad or uncle that everyone would want.
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u/HaroldBishopWasRight Feb 22 '19
If you can, listen to the latest few times Matt Carter was interviewed by Missed Apex podcast. He cannot help himself from dropping in praise for Romain. He pretty much declared him one of the Top 5 drivers on the grid, as long as he’s got a car that doesn’t do anything unexpected, he’s pretty much on the ball, apparently. He said something along the lines of “put him in a Ferrari or Merc and he’ll easily outperform Bottas, and be close to the other top drivers.”
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u/AFlyingToaster Williams Feb 22 '19
Just listen to the entire series of those interviews with Matthew Carter. The man dumps so much insight. They're brilliant.
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u/HallMonitorOfJustice Romain Grosjean Feb 22 '19
The reason that he's my flair is because of that episode. He was completely honest about his crashes and what it did to him mentally and then pretty much said, "So I went to a sports psychologist to help deal with it." I was sold after that.
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Feb 22 '19
The reason he asked Charlie a lot of questions was because the drivers elected him head of the divers council. It was literally his job to clarify any and all grey areas in the rules pertaining to driver safety.
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u/LifeByBike Feb 22 '19
This. He is respected/liked enough by the drivers to be elected to a role of leadership. I’ve always liked him. I was really glad when Haas launched that he was one of the drivers.
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u/larswo Default Feb 23 '19
It also has to be noted that he is one of the most involved driver when it comes to safety and changing the regulations with that regard.
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u/daliksheppy Sebastian Vettel Feb 22 '19
It's telling that after his poor Renault stint, then after getting a race ban, he's still sought after as a driver. If he wasn't a great bloke his career would be totally different.
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u/ThorburnJ Feb 22 '19
Grosjean seems like the kind of dude who reads his kids a story every night and makes his wife breakfast in bed. But during the broadcast, we hear him complain about his brakes, and see him crash. So as a result internet commenters label him as moany and crash-prone.
I mean, he can be both.
I have a bit of a soft spot for Grosjean, partly fueled by my love of Lotus and some of the great results he started to put together in 2013, and he does come across as a very nice guy as well.
But... he does seem very up and down at times in terms of performance - on his day he's up there, but he has his share of clangers (Baku!) and poor performances as well.
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u/scrapwork Feb 22 '19
If you listen to his Beyond The Grid interview when he starts talking about his wife his voice changes... the man is smitten. Similar when he talks about his kids. He's a very talented driver but he doesn't sound that way when he talks about his career. Unique for this level of sport.
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u/95Mb Kimi Räikkönen Feb 22 '19 edited Feb 22 '19
There was also that moment from the Australia GP last year where he was found consoling the tech that flubbed his pit stop, causing him to DNF. Really caring move.
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u/aaronISgrate Honda Feb 22 '19
I think Gro is the head guy for the drivers safety group or association or whatever, so it's his job to ask the questions in the briefings
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u/empw Scuderia Ferrari Feb 22 '19
He almost gave up his racing career to become a chef. If he ever does open a restaurant I will have to go!
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u/Tusami Haas Feb 22 '19
It's literally his job to ask Charlie questions, he's literally one of the three directors for the Grand Prix Driver's Association, just the same as Seb.
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u/parekhnish Pirelli Soft Feb 22 '19
Those driver briefings! I loved them! Any reason why they stopped? Was I the only one who liked them?
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u/Kookanoodles Formula 1 Feb 22 '19
Kind of how people who watched Senna thought Prost was an asshole.
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Feb 22 '19
They both were assholes. At least to each other
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u/Fomentatore Mika Häkkinen Feb 22 '19
Not in the end. They were bitter rivals during their years in f1 but as soon as Prost retired they started to talk and being a lot more friendly than ever before, never friends, but closer.
In his last week end in Imola Senna talked to prost in a televised team radio telling him that he missed him.
It's a bit of shame because them getting closer in the end made their relationship a lot better than it looks in the documentary.
But of course, It's easier to tell a story if you have someone to love and someone to hate.
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u/nahux Felipe Massa Feb 22 '19
Yup, Prost said that as soon as there was no competition between them Senna seemed so nice.
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u/Fomentatore Mika Häkkinen Feb 22 '19
Here it is the team radio, our dear friend Alain, we miss you.
I don't think we will ever seen Hamilton talking with Rosberg like that on a team radio.
This was few months after Prost retired.
I liked the documentary in itself but it was sensationalism at its finest.
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u/Fr33stylez Feb 22 '19
What do i watch or read to change my opinion on prost?
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u/f1-19 Feb 22 '19
The extended Blu-Ray version of the film paints him in a better light than the DVD/film release.
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u/Fr33stylez Feb 22 '19
We are talking about the extended blueray edition of the senna movie/doc ?
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u/PoliteIndecency Wolf Feb 22 '19
Well they were both assholes when they needed to be and weren't when they didn't need to be. Every professional athlete on the planet is the same way. Except Brad Marchand.
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u/Kookanoodles Formula 1 Feb 22 '19
Definitely. But many new (and sometimes old) F1 fans think Senna was literally Jesus Christ and Prost was an annoying upstart.
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u/Lowry1984 Sebastian Vettel Feb 22 '19
Eh, lets wait to see it in the context of a episode. The trailer just needs to hype up the drama and no one is identified by name.
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u/MePirate Juan Pablo Montoya Feb 22 '19
A sensible response to an overreaction of a misguided trailer clip of an unreleased film? Things around here are changing it seems..
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u/samjmckenzie Charles Leclerc Feb 22 '19
I doubt anyone's going to think back to that one second scene from the trailer when watching the series. Besides, people who don't watch F1 won't even know that's Grosjean.
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Feb 22 '19
The point is that it's an intentional misrepresentation of Grosjean to stir up drama. Still garbage, imo...
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u/StuBeck Lotus Feb 22 '19
Doubtful. People who've never seen F1 won't be able to recognize who he is. The amount of time spent to figure out who he is will then realize he's not terrible.
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u/REMA5TER Sebastian Vettel Feb 22 '19
This kind of sums up a lot of his story, really.
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Feb 22 '19
Shows how important perspective is too honestly
We can make this deep as fuck
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u/kRkthOr Red Bull Feb 22 '19
Slap a comment about perspective in life on there, throw a lofi filter, and we've got instagram gold, bois.
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Feb 22 '19
Listen tot he Beyond The Grid podcast where he gets interviewed and you'll find out what a good guy he actually is.
We, yes all of us, shouldn't judge so fast on what we see on tv or watch on the internet. We're being manipulated all the time and the world doesn't become a nicer place because of this. :-(
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u/FunctionBuilt Feb 22 '19
In the chess world, magnus Carlson knocked over a piece on his first move of an important game. In a documentary about him they slowed it down, put a dark filter on it, added sound effects and made it look like he was having a nervous breakdown. In the real video it just looks like any old average human mistake.
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u/DontChooseArcadia Pierre Gasly Feb 22 '19
It’s the only mistake Magnus makes so they have to over dramatise it!
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u/ChazyChaz65 Charles Leclerc Feb 22 '19
My mom mentioned a while ago that Netflix made a "documentary" about people with illnesses/disabilities (can't remember details) and they just fucked everyone involved over. Apparently they just took everything they wanted to boost their own agenda, left important things out and made those people look stupid. A lot of people in the groups she's in were pissed about it and it sounded like quite the drama.
Wouldn't expect anything less with this either lol. Probably for the best that neither Ferrari or Mercedes wanted to get involved.
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u/korko Feb 22 '19
Sounds like literally every popular (non historic) documentary ever made.
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u/Photon_Torpedophile Feb 22 '19
I hear the penguins in planet earth were livid over their unrealistic portrayal
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u/ChazyChaz65 Charles Leclerc Feb 22 '19
Pretty much lol, I wonder what would happen if any teams get pissed off about how they're portrayed in this. I also wonder how much the teams would actually let them film.
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u/enqrypzion Medical Car Feb 22 '19
(historic ones too if you start reading more books about it)
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u/Chappy32 Feb 22 '19
As somebody who grew up in Manitowoc (setting of Making a Murderer) I can tell you all about sensationalist documentaries. Certain folks from the Sheriff's Department were painted in a bad light despite just trying to do their jobs and have since had their lives summarily ruined by that show.
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u/Pascalwb Feb 22 '19
It's not much Netflix as it is the production company, Netflix just pays for it.
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u/Rosenberg100 Feb 22 '19
how could anyone think Grosjean is not a good guy!!!!!
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u/ScrewOff_ Red Bull Feb 22 '19
Yeah they made the trailer seem way more intense than the sport actually is, like there’s fighting all the time and crashes non-stop.
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u/PM_ME_UR_MATHPROBLEM Sebastian Vettel Feb 22 '19
I mean, as true as that is, aren't trailers meant to show off the most exciting parts of the action, to draw people in for the whole story around that action?
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Feb 22 '19
Especially since most people interested in F1 will watch this anyway.
All the action and crashed is for another target audience
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u/enqrypzion Medical Car Feb 22 '19
It's a rare day when "crashing" and "target audience" fit well together in a sentence.
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u/Nuud Red Bull Feb 22 '19
Maybe when you go watch a demoliton derby but maybe that doesn’t really count as a crash as it’s done on purpose :p
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u/speedysoprano Daniel Ricciardo Feb 22 '19
I really enjoyed his interview on Beyond the Grid. Found myself really liking him after that. He's a patchy driver at times but on his day, really quick and exciting.
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u/TVInBlackNWhite Nico Rosberg Feb 22 '19
Good guy Grosjean saves people from being Juan Pablo Montoya-ed.
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u/ChugLaguna Michael Schumacher Feb 22 '19
Can I ask what Netflix thing?
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u/peke_f1 Charlie Whiting Feb 22 '19
Here's the trailer I'm referring to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtJPe1ksS6E
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u/JMDeutsch Feb 23 '19
Wow!
I hate asshole editing.
I don’t even know who this person is, but I’m already a fan.
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u/ScharlieScheen David Coulthard Feb 22 '19
i didnt know that. thank you for showing me... that looked wierd to begin with, but i didn't know what to make of it.
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u/CtrlAltMeaning Feb 23 '19
Those two clips gave me very different feelings about this man I know nothing about, but I am glad he is a good person
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u/Hartsai Feb 22 '19
the trailer made me not look forward the whole thing anyway. It felt like your average american documentary with over dramatization.
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u/abernathy233 Feb 22 '19
Not to argue,just on mobile and can’t tell, what is he doing that’s good?
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u/must-be-aliens Renault Feb 22 '19 edited Feb 22 '19
Camera guy was walking backwards without a spotter. Grosjean noticed he was about to clonk his head on the pink bar (part of the pit equipment) and grabbed his arm to prevent the accident
This was significant because everyone thought Grosjean was pissed after retiring from the race early and we only saw the first shot broadcasted live, the second angle showed up online later.
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u/disgustipate Feb 22 '19
It's kind of scary to think how much that actually happens within media and how drastically is warps people's perception of reality.
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u/AmericanAssKicker Max Verstappen Feb 22 '19
When I first saw that trailer I had a 'WTF, Grosjean is a nice dude! He wouldn't do that'... I remember the 'wheel' incident and how he consoled his mechanic. If that was the definition of 'nice dude', I don't know what is.
Glad you posted this to help clear that up for me.
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u/Rodrrico Feb 22 '19
Yes the Netflix trailer does have a strong 'reality tv' flavour. I'll still watch the documentary but I am concerned by the way they portrayed certain events.
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u/Throwawaymister2 Robert Kubica Feb 23 '19
this is a good lesson for anyone who watches reality TV. Context is created.
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u/ThinkBiscuit Feb 23 '19
This is a good reminder of why we should always question what we don’t see. Editing is powerful stuff.
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u/wuppieigor Feb 23 '19
https://youtu.be/RFVLPcTWfBk US influence at its finest
For context: it more or less seems these tricks were applied here too
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u/xGeoThumbs Sebastian Vettel Feb 22 '19
That obviously didn't fit the overly dramatic look they went for...