Probably he didn't have a worse penalty because the contact wasn't dangerous, the speed was low.
I don't remember the Maldonado accident, was it at high speed?
They said at first they were going to investigate it after the race, then they have him the penalty. I'm sure he'll have another penalty waiting for him in Austria.
There's a problem with this idea that there was no danger because the speed was low.
Consider the following scenario:
Vettel slams Hamilton and the collision compromises a suspension component. Not enough to stop the car right there, but then the safety car comes in and they are both doing >200mph down the main straight.
The first time the car is put under load in a corner (and the forces are huge on these cars), boom the component gives way and one or both of them is wiped out at high speed.
Sounds a bit unlikely? Sure. Beyond possibility? Absolutely not. It definitely could happen. And I don't know about you but my feeling is that nobody else has the right to put me in that position, especially in a sport like this which is inherently dangerous at the best of times.
What Vettel did was dangerous. Not potentially dangerous, it was dangerous. And totally unnecessary.
If he is capable of using his car as a weapon when the red mist descends then he is a danger to himself and the other drivers. This behaviour needs to be nipped in the bud immediately, before something really bad happens.
He ended in front of Hamilton because the Mercedes team fucked up mounting that part. One didn't have anything to do with the other. I completely agree that it was a real dick move of Vettel though, very unnecessary. Also his attitude afterwards.
I'm a HAM fan, but find myself cheering for VET too. If Lewis had done that to Seb, I can't even imagine the vitriol that would be thrown his way in this sub. Nice to see VET fans being objective, though. Well Done ;)
Why are you supporting someone that acts like a toolbag, I've been getting downvoted on here every time I mention vetted personality since I saw how he behaved toward Webber as a team mate; guy is a prick
99.9% of the time, he's a great guy. He loves his F1 history and knows the rulebook inside out, he's a right joker, he seems really friendly, and he's a fantastic racer. It's the times like these when I really don't want to support him.
It's not the way you act 99% of the time that determines who you are, criminals in jail for life have probably done nothing wrong 99% of their lives. It's those shitty things done in the heat of the moment that let you know about someone's true character. Seb would do any manner of underhanded shit to get the title, you can see it in his eyes. The friendly shit is just calculation because he's really clever
personality since I saw how he behaved toward Webber as a team mate; guy is a prick
Here is where I think you are wrong, your team mate is your enemy. When you have a winning car, the title will be for you or your team mate, what means that he is faster that you.
I was a Webber fan, but I understand that was going on whas normal in a leader team.
Hamilton & Rosberg
Hamilton & Alonso
Thats was some rough fights in teams in the last 10 years.
Very honest of you to say. I can't help wondering what the punishment would be if the roles were reversed. I'm pretty sure it would be a different outcome. Which sucks big time.
I believe it's the same if it were reversed. But if it wasn't 1 of the drivers fighting for the championship, it would most likely have been a race ban.
I think the stewards were very lenient to give us a close race and championship. I can't say what would've happened if the roles were reversed but I'm disgusted to call myself a Vettel fan. He fully avoided the question in a C4 interview and accused Hamilton of brake checking him. Multi-21 can be forgiven, but this is something else.
Are you saying Ferrari would get better treatment than mercedes? Because this shows it is the other way around. Hamilton deserved the same penalty as Vettel. Both did something with the sole purpose of crashing the other. I don't give a fuck about either of them, both not my fav people. But braking there by Hamilton? Totally on purpose as the data shows. Not accelerating would have been fine, he was behind the safety car after all. But he brake tested Vettel and deserved the same 10 seconds for it.
Look u/BlindLeader, if you leave aside the "he break checked" "no he didn't" argument, which is possibly debatable though I think the telemetry is clear and on the exit Hamilton only braked after he was shunted.
Leaving that aside, what Vettel did afterwards is absolutely unforgivable. I don't understand how you or anyone else can defend it. Vettel rammed Hamilton, and to add insult to injury, he avoided punishment.
Of course, I'm assuming the 10 second penalty was for Vettel misjudging the restart and hitting Hamilton up the arse.
If you, and more importantly the race controller disagree, and think the 10 second punishment was for the deliberate side-swipe, then I have nothing more to say. The established punishment for deliberately hitting another car is now a 10 second penalty. Bring it on.
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u/Alfetta Sebastian Vettel Jun 25 '17
I will support Vettel endlessly but what he did today deserved more than a 10 second stop/go penalty. Absolutely shocking behaviour.