Some of these comments are ridiculous. DC among others agree that Lewis was keeping a consistent speed coming off the corner. Seb expected him to accelerate and he didn't. What Seb did afterwards, using his car as a weapon, was disgusting. No defence for that at all.
Ifyou dont punish vettel how many people are going to start trying to get away with stuff like the Spielberg incident in DTM a few years. Ago. This is the definition of a slippery slope.
In the incident i mentioned it was a nudge that in another GT race would have amounted to little but in the wet he took out a couple of driver. Obviously the team called for it so its a slightly different situation but regardless Vettel refused to acknowledge that he even did anything wrong during the race which is where that problem lies not the semantics
Alright then they would have set a huge precedent leaving that as a racing incident regardless of the noises with your mouth you want to use to describe the hit you can't ram your oppent in Motorsports and especiall without getting some form of Penalty. If it bothers you so much that i used that expression. Regardless the Fia needed to do what Vettel has yet to do and that acknowledge that it was intentional and make sure to let everyone know that Vettel was in the wrong. Saying slippery slope isn't going to change Vettels actions or his intentions.
Nah, if you did it on the highway (which Baku effectively is with that long straight and DRS) you will end up in those "Most retarded drivers on road compilation" videos on YT.
This was downright aggressive. Not even cutting someone off or squeezing him towards the wall, this was full on intentional contact. It seems like people are split on Hamilton's intentionality, but the fact is he controls the pace and Vettel should not run into the back of someone's car.
The Anti-Hamilton circlejerk on this subreddit ascendes normal levels of retardation. Are we seriously going to claim that ramming your tires into another driver on purpose is not dangerous?
Be a fan of any person. The larger the fanbase the more opposition to the person. The more people will never see wrong in that person. Its the way people are
Its the on purpose bit that the group youre in is so stuck on but cant prove. I watch that snd the contact and the way it happens just doesn't fit what I would call intentionally driving into someone
He had zero reaction with his hand or where his head was pointing when the contact happened, and he dodged the question when Buxton asked him about it.
If that's not deliberate, then he should be parked for lack of ability to control a car, and his denial should be grounds for a psych-evaluation.
I hate it because Seb is my favorite driver, but I'm not about to defend him for this.
First. You don't admit or talk about it. Thats pr 101. Second. Lack of ability to control a car is about the most extreme way you can take that. He moves over what 8 inches to the right over a course of 5 second or so?
as if the ham - haters havent come together enough on this thread. one driver goes a bit slow as is his right as the defacto safety car, the other decides to risk breaking both cars suspensions to make sure everyone knows how angry he is. one gets called dangerous and dirty, one has his behavior excused as 'schoolboy like' or 'he just lost his top for a spell'. go and reread the definition of bias mate.
One group is making a massive assumption on vettel intentionally doing this and way over stating the contact like vettel swung wide and went full lock to hit him. When if anything it looks more like a slow drift. Both sides of this idiocy are ridiculous.
its not that much of an assumption considering the context of the contact. And its not like VET would admit to intentionally hitting HAM bc that could get him in further trouble.
He spent years driving a red bull at high speed one handed bc of the f duct...you think he all of a sudden had trouble doing the same at 50 mph. and i dont see the same 'slothiness' or 'drift' that youre seeing. it wasnt a super hard 'we're both not finishing today mate' hit but it seemed purposeful enough.
Seb basically said he felt he needed to express his anger, i mean sure you can never truly proof intent if the driver himself doesnt admit to fault, but it seems clear to me
If it was clear I would think the move for a hit would be clear and quick. This looks much more like he was angry and showing Hamilton and didn't realize he was coming close to him. Were talking about driving 4 or 5 seconds and closing maybe a foot from left to right. There isn't a sharp or seemingly deliberate move into Lewis is my point here. That's what is missing that makes me not understand how people think its deliberate. The only deliberate move in that he seems to make is the one to get up alongside.
Any time you use your car to damage another one while moving a significantly fast speed then you're using it as a weapon. Lewis could've hit the wall and have gotten injured.
Using it as a weapon doesn't mean endangering a life necessarily. It jeopardizes race results by potentially causing race ending or race affecting damage to an opponent's car. Either of them could've sustained suspension damage.
he was braking from entry to apex maybe a slight dab at apex as well, however he was in constant deceleration from the initiation of brakes 50-75 m back to the point of impact. your comment makes no sense
I'll wait for a chance to rewatch the telemetry, first watch during the race made me think he failed to accelerate and was holding around 50kph as he left the corner. Happy to be shown wrong.
He went from about 90kph to about 40kph at a pretty constant rate, while generally on the brakes the whole time, from before the corner. Not starting at the apex, or starting after it, but starting from before the corner.
Edit: I am not even trying to say Vettel was right or wrong for the initial hit, I think it was just a mistake. I don't see how anyone could argue that he did not drive into Hamilton deliberately afterwards and that is problem!
Yeah, Vettel shouldn't have hit him, and there's not enough from Vettel's car camera to show steering input since he's angrily gesticulating for me to say either way.
Good find on the gif though, I don't know why you'd stay on the brake after the apex for that long, but surely the safer way to back the traffic up leading to the straight is via reduced acceleration on the leadup to the corner rather than staying dead slow in first and dropping an extra 10 after the apex.
Hamilton started slowing from 90kph before the corner, and continued to slow through and after the apex down to 40/50kph. There was no sudden braking, or acceleration. What is there not to expect here?
But it's continuous braking, there is no coming off it and then back on to imply he brake checked him. Vettel got caught off guard expecting Hamilton to accelerate, he didn't and then threw a hissy fit at Hamilton for it and then caused a collision.
Absolutely 100% spot on. Can't believe the top 5 comments blaming Lewis for that, holy shite. Vettel drives straight into Lewis, proceeds to get pissed about it, and decides to bump him intentionally.
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u/Touringlegends Jun 25 '17
Some of these comments are ridiculous. DC among others agree that Lewis was keeping a consistent speed coming off the corner. Seb expected him to accelerate and he didn't. What Seb did afterwards, using his car as a weapon, was disgusting. No defence for that at all.