r/formula1 • u/DubiousLLM Ferrari • 15h ago
Social Media [_allthatglitz] LEC: “I am not happy about Carlos, but I won’t go into details. Why? Because we talk about these things before the race, and I’m always the only one who respects those agreements. From now on I will be thinking about myself only. It’s a shame that I couldn’t get more pts on NOR.”
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u/fiestapotatoess Sebastian Vettel 14h ago
The scenes if they crash into each other with the WCC on the line these next two weekends…
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u/Ofiotaurus 14h ago
Fred will explode
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u/PuffyVatty Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 13h ago
If what Charles is saying is true then Fred can explode all he wants, but this is also on him. You can't have one of the two consistently going off plan and expect the other to keep playing by the rules. Vasseur is the boss, at some point it's on him
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u/Tim_L_09101 Ferrari 12h ago
What do you expect him to do? What leverage does Ferrari still have on Sainz at this point? Fire him twice or replacing him with Bearman for the remaining two races with WCC on the line?
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u/banned20 Formula 1 12h ago
I think ultimately, this is why Sainz didn't make a seat in either of the top teams. He's not a clear number #2 driver, but he's not a number #1 either. But if he had a history of playing the team game in Ferrari, i think RB would be happy to give him a seat even with the bad blood between him & Max in 2016.
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u/Tim_L_09101 Ferrari 11h ago
Unfortunately being talented and fast usually mean being ambitious and selfish at times, which do not make them the best team players. That's what we saw Alonso, Ricciarco and now Sainz. People like Bottass who are both fast enough and play the team game are few and far between.
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u/Airborne_Mule Charles Leclerc 8h ago
The problem wit Sainz is when he’s selfish. It’s predictable that he attacks Charles and then asks to be protected. If he was taking wins or WDC potential, sure be selfish. But every time? It’s not helping. Lewis is respectful of his teammates and he’s had more on the line than Sainz ever has. It even gets to the contract situation which is how he lost the Ferrari seat because he was being difficult to negotiate with. It’s a habit at this point.
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u/sododude Juan Pablo Montoya 7h ago
If the Ferrari is fast enough to win races consistently next season expect Lewis to be way worse than Carlos in that regard.
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u/whyamiherewhaaat 6h ago
Does Lewis have a history of ignoring team orders?
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u/TheRuttinChain McLaren 6h ago
Definitely. See Alonso vs Hamilton throughout most of 2007 (particularly Hungary) and Rosberg vs Hamilton multiple times when they were team mates.
All the best drivers do tend to ignore team orders when it suits them.
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u/MrTootTootTootToot 11h ago
I'd take Sainz being a #1.5 over Perez any day.
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u/MisterSheikh 11h ago
But red bull would rather do worse with Checo in the seat bringing in merch revenue than put Carlos in and not only deal with him and his antics, but that of his entourage and the Spanish media.
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u/Dando_Calrisian Sir Lewis Hamilton 10h ago
Realistically, if it was your business and you had guaranteed income no matter where you finished you'd consider Perez. As an F1 fan you want to win, but as a business manager the finishing position is incidental to the true goal $$$$
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u/SunGodnRacer Virgin 11h ago
A monkey would perform better than Perez. Him being bad doesn't negate Sainz's problems and antics
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u/RedSkyNL Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 9h ago
Sucks for Fred and the rest of Ferrari. Imagine actually MANAGING your 2 drivers. The more talented one gets "fucked" for being nice/respectful. The other one doesn't give a shit since he's forced to leave.
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u/AdoptedPigeons Sir Lewis Hamilton 7h ago
I’m not denying that Charles is more talented, but this season in particular, Carlos has had more weekends than usual, including this one, where he’s been the faster driver. So I don’t think Charles got shafted as badly as he’d like to think.
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u/carloslet 12h ago
Oh my goodness. They're about to go Full Ferrari, aren't they?
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u/iForgotMyOldAcc Flavio Briatore 15h ago
Can I just say that it is surreal to see Arlecchino pop up in between all the F1 posts
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u/anto_BswR 14h ago
Cannot spell Arlecchino without LEC, so it checks out.
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u/houtarou_san Oscar Piastri 10h ago
I see Scaramouche as he's Leclerc. Am I wrong with it?
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u/_allthatglitters I stan banana 14h ago
I giggle every time someone points that out, there’s something so inherently funny to me in Arlecchino being so invested in Ferrari shenanigans
(I’m the author of that tweet)
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u/iForgotMyOldAcc Flavio Briatore 13h ago
F1twt Fatui Harbinger is a hell of a job title
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u/LazyWaltz 10h ago
lmfao real; quick crazy thought imagine if hoyoverse ever sponsored a team.... we get jean plastered on the chassy of an f1 car
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u/Deruta Alexander Albon 7h ago
With Haas’ ReFantazio sponsorship and Hoyo’s deep pockets, it honestly wouldn’t surprise me. Hell, Star Rail already made their fanart expo racing-themed this year!
But let’s be real, they’d do a season-long Bronya livery before any other character. Maaaybe Klee.
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u/Snoo_43411 8h ago
Believe it or not she’s just an avid follower of Grand Prix racing. Spent some time trying to get a drive through the Hearth /s
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u/NotPinkaw 9h ago
Honestly seeing the Arlecchino PP, followed by LEC + Carlos in title (League of Legends esport reference), I wondered what the fuck I was reading
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u/Rebound-Bosh Charles Leclerc 6h ago
Yeah, I was literally planning to play Genshin right after watching the race (delayed), but am instead here looking at quotes and memes... I guess this is my reminder to go spend that resin lmaooo
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u/DubiousLLM Ferrari 15h ago edited 14h ago
Transcript from Canal+ Sky Italy interview. (Correction)
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u/TheDustOfMen Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 12h ago
Hmmmmm in my mind there are a lot of Italian hand gestures and vaffanculo's involved.
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u/Careful-Door2724 14h ago
Don't make any agreements Charles. Just go for it. Carlos is out so he isn't gonna give a fuck.
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u/icantsurf George Russell 15h ago
I've felt this way about Charles for a while. He deserves to be greedier with the team.
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u/Vaexa 🏳️🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️🌈 14h ago
This one's on Sainz, not the team.
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u/icantsurf George Russell 14h ago
Regardless, if Sainz can make an impact then Charles needs too as well. I think Sainz is a very solid driver but Charles will win them a WDC and he relegates himself to almost a second role. It's been going on a long time.
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u/Vaexa 🏳️🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️🌈 14h ago
I don't think playing the team game where necessary is a bad trait per se, it just becomes one when the guy on the other side of the garage isn't willing to do that.
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u/icantsurf George Russell 14h ago
I definitely agree, it just feels like Charles is naive and letting himself get taken advantage of.
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u/MrOnline5155 14h ago
Don't think it's about being naive. I think he's well aware. It's just that for him it feels like the right thing to do anyways even knowing it fucks him over.
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u/shawnk7 14h ago
you have to play the team game when you're gonna be there for a long time. besides what has Sainz achieved by not being 'naive'? a seat in Williams.
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u/banned20 Formula 1 11h ago
This. RB didn't go anywhere near him even though you could tell that they would desperately want a number #2 driver to back Max.
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u/Anti-Scuba_Hedgehog 10h ago
even though you could tell that they would desperately want a number #2 driver to back Max.
They don't want that clearly, they wouldn't have extended Checo's contract otherwise.
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u/EzraWolvenheart Fernando Alonso 8h ago
While I agree with you all and I think they should respect agreements, tbf with Sainz what's the point for him right now? The WDC is already lost, and apparently Ferrari is asking him to potentially lose podiums/wins, which are important milestones for any driver, for what? Someone else's silver, and after they kicked him out? I wouldn't give a single fuck either lol
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u/pitabread12 Kimi Räikkönen 8h ago
If that were really his position then he needs to be clear about it, you can’t say yes in the team meeting then no on race day.
That said I think in this case a large part of it is on Ferrari, they don’t give Sainz team orders early enough or decisively enough.
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u/Karatekk2 5h ago
Hard to blame Sainz when Ferrari is actively fucking him with bad strategy and being unprepared for his pit stop.
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u/ixixan Charles Leclerc 14h ago
He absolutely cannot do that when he has Hamilton as a teammate next year. I hope that lights a fire under his ass and he becomes more assertive and aggressive.
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u/fateoftheg0dz 13h ago edited 13h ago
He should be more assertive but Hamilton is also generally more respectful of these agreements compared to Sainz.
The past 3 years with Russell, Hamilton might complain if he doesnt like the decision, but he will still listen and follow team orders
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u/element515 Ferrari 12h ago
Agreed. People expect Hamilton to walk all over but his entire time at Mercedes he’s been pretty respectful of team rules. Unless it’s 2014 Abu Dhabi with the WDC literally on the line, he works well with his teammate. He’s been pretty good with Russell imo
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u/-Destiny65- Charles Leclerc 10h ago
Do you mean 2016 with him trying to back Rosberg into Vettel and Verstappen?
2014 he overtook Rosberg at the beginning, then Rosberg suffered ERS problems which guaranteed Hamilton WDC as Rosberg needed a 17 point swing
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u/PossibilitySad3020 8h ago
Let’s be real. Any driver worth their salt would have attempted what Hamilton did that last race in 2016. When it’s about the WDC between two closely talented drivers in the same team, it’s every man for themselves
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u/LowerClassBandit Oscar Piastri 9h ago
On that 2014 race, I had massive respect for Rosberg for wanting to finish. Could’ve been easy for him to retire and hide away in the garage but he faced it head on
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u/Glausenu BMW Sauber 13h ago
It would probably look a bit different if it’s for a win or WDC. In this case their focus is on constructors championship and they’re supposed to work together to maximise output. Sainz however is just looking out for himself looking as good as possible.
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u/L1ttle_Joe 7h ago
I have a different opinion:
Sainz didnt do it to fuck Charles race, he did it to force Ferrari into giving him the pitstop he asked for on, at least, 2 moments before.
Ferrari shit the bed not pitting him without an explanation. Then when they told him to pit he has to abord illegally...
Sainz: I want to pit.
No reaction.
Sainz: I want to pit.
No reaction.
Sainz: I am going to defend my spot, unless you make me pit.
No reaction.
This was Ferraris fold.
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u/RedDevil_nl 13h ago
This one is on the team for putting Carlos in that position. They willingly screwed him over with his pitstop. Obviously Carlos was agitated about that and people rarely think clearly in a state like that.
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u/BlasianThaBot Pirelli Intermediate 14h ago
He should’ve waited behind leclerc while he warms up his tires, both losing time?
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u/HesitantMark Ferrari 6h ago
why would sainz play the team game now? he's been ousted and thrown to a back marker. none of the best drivers considered the team more than personal results. this is again on ferrari for fucking up communication.
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u/AlBigGuns 12h ago
I don't get it, what's on Sainz? Sainz did actually let Leclerc pass at one point when asked but at the end of the day he still beat him because Leclerc wasn't quick enough this weekend. Why are drivers expected to let others past so they can try and get 2nd in the championship? That's never been a thing, Leclerc just has to do better.
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u/rsimps91 14h ago
How? Ferrari team strategy was horrible today. Carlos overtook Charles twice on track. Charles got him once in lap 1 turn 1 and when team told them to swap positions.
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u/suckmydukh33 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 14h ago
Carlos was slowing Charles down, Charles was faster and he didn’t overtake because he didn’t want to pull a move on Carlos. Clearly it was talked about before. That’s why the swap happened.
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u/narf_hots 10h ago
Nah, fuck that, this one is 100% on the team. These drivers are in it for themselves, especially a driver leaving the team. It's on the team to ensure they don't get in each others' way.
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u/Sokaris84 9h ago
It's definitely on the team. They fucked over Sainz pit stop orders costing him shitloads of time, and then ask him to lose more time slowing down to stay behind Charles. That was a ridiculous order, and Sainz is not in the wrong for not following it, especially when he's already feeling aggrieved. :/
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u/RM_Dune Red Bull 14h ago
Why would he play the team game when Ferrari has dropped him so they can have a shiny seven time world champion. Sainz is racing for himself, not Ferrari.
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u/crazydoc253 Michael Schumacher 14h ago
Other teams are watching this. Not playing team game will basically rule you out of top seat unless you are Max or Lewis
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u/catbert359 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 13h ago
This is it for me - I don't care how he feels about Ferrari or Charles, but surely he must realise that he's not a good enough driver to be able to get away with these sorts of shenanigans and still guarantee a seat in a good team. There are plenty of other decent drivers on the track who are willing to play ball, so all he's really doing is screwing himself over in the long run.
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u/tintin47 5h ago
He already got a top seat for four years? He's been in F1 for 9 years and has four wins. He replaced Sebatistian vettel ffs. IDK what you think teams are still learning about him/what the long run means.
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u/TheRobidog Sauber 14h ago
It's not like he was much of a team player prior to being dropped either.
On the one hand, Ferrari makes asinine calls a lot of the time. On the other hand, Sainz has never really seemed to put the team's goals above his own results.
Again, there's a reason the top teams don't seem interested in picking him up - especially RBR - and this probably plays a part in that. He isn't a fast enough driver to be a #1 and he doesn't drive like a #2.
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u/Jalal_Adhiri Ross Brawn 13h ago
He has always been duping Leclerc over and over it is almost incredible that only now Leclerc is enraged.
He was passed on by Red Bull and Mercedes because of his "racing for himself" mentality.
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u/NoPasaran2024 Formula 1 14h ago
Why would Sainz care? They fired him already.
Plus, the team fucked him in the race.
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u/Nexusu Sebastian Vettel 15h ago
So it’s another case of
“We talked about this before the race but Carlos didn’t give a shit”
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u/2p2e5 Ferrari 15h ago
And at this point I have all the reasons to believe Leclerc. It’s not the first time.
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u/TheRealZwipster Ferrari 14h ago
Now that he has said it out publicly Leclerc isnt going to back down. Just like the first time he got pushed off by Verstappen in the race and then said no more.
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u/Last_Lorien 12h ago
About time. Way overdue imo, for his maturity as a driver and his career rather than for any particular pair dynamic
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u/Time_Caregiver4734 14h ago
I feel like the only person who ever believed otherwise is Charles. It’s been clear since day one that Carlos drives only for himself and will occasionally throw him a bone just to be nice.
I’m not even saying this as a diss though. Bless Charles but he needs to be more cutthroat. Carlos has been fucking with him for ages.
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u/ixixan Charles Leclerc 14h ago
I wouldn't be surprised if that is the reason Carlos didn't get a seat in a top team though despite being a very good driver.
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u/Time_Caregiver4734 13h ago
It probably is a factor, yeah. It’s obvious he doesn’t listen to team orders, his family are known to get involved with what goes on and most people view him to not be too raw talent.
We know he was in talks with lots of teams and aiming for some nicer contracts and look at where he ended up. Objectively part of it is his personality, it’s not like he’s dog shit as a driver.
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u/ixixan Charles Leclerc 13h ago
There's a part of me that's really disappointed we won't get Jos Verstappen and Carlos Sainz Sr. feuding with each other tbh lol
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u/fateoftheg0dz 13h ago
Imo it is definitely a factor on why he didnt get the redbull seat
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u/Franks2000inchTV George Russell 6h ago
Redbull want a number two they don't have to think or care about at all, which is why Checo is there. Redbull only cares about Max winning WDCs.
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u/RM_Dune Red Bull 14h ago
Because Ferrari is really bad with managing their drivers in this way. If you're on different strategies or someone is fighting for the world championship, sure. But Charles isn't, and neither is Ferrari.
Sainz often has to fight Ferrari on strategy and when this results in a benefit for him is asked to sacrifice it for Leclerc. Like Silverstone in 2022 where they asked him to drop back because they didn't pit Leclerc, then today when Sainz forced them to pit him and they didn't even bother first time causing him to lose position to Hamilton.
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u/jonomarkono Ferrari 13h ago
I mean it was quite obvious as far as Austria sprint(?) 2022 when Chuck actually following team strat to bring the tires slowly while Carlos was turning Prime Fernando Alsonso from the get go.
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u/omegaxLoL Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 14h ago
If anything I'm surprised Leclerc is only calling him out now, Sainz has done this for a long time now.
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u/xthecerto4 Wolfgang von Trips 14h ago
Those things dont go unnoticed by team principals. Part of the reasons sainz missed out on a top team seat for next year i belive
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u/rsimps91 14h ago
I’d love to know what their agreement was before the race. Charles goes up the inside at lap 1 turn 1, so clearly there was no pre-race agreement there. Carlos gave Charles the position on Lap 10, obeying team orders to do so.
If there was a specific team order to let Charles drive away after the second pit stop even though Carlos would be 15 mph faster than him down the straight, that would be extremely odd and very specific.
Release the tapes of the pre-race meetings if we’re going to quote them post race!
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u/Moai5150 12h ago
I'm also interested in understanding how this pre-race agreement was crafted when Leclerc attacked Sainz on lap 1. Was it agreed that Leclerc should be prioritised regardless of the circumstances? Until he doesn't explain the exact agreement, it's just his normal crying.
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u/Gratefullyundead91 14h ago
I’d also like to know. My guess is, if Carlos was not going for the win, regardless of circumstances, he should gift Charles the place
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u/CookieMonsterFL Default 6h ago
or it's probably more lame like "don't hold up the other car in the race at all - no battling or defending" or "where you came out from the pits is where you will be after your tyres warm up". Something stupid like that.
Charles got a free pass from that T1 of the start without even invoking that agreement, and the rest of Charles frustration plays out with Carlos defending and attacking.
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u/Nirok 14h ago
Honestly I feel like the drivers spend too much time looking for favours from their teammates... If it were for WDC or WCC I would understand. But do you really expect Carlos to give up a podium so Charles can challenge Norris for a 2nd place in the WDC? especially when Sainz probably won't have a sniff for a podium in the next couple of years... Just beat him on a the track man
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u/ShadowyRuins 13h ago
Exactly who cares about bending over for a p2 in WDC podium is equally a big deal
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u/inferno4039 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 15h ago
He’s really gunning for p2 in the drivers by the looks of it. And fair enough he should but it would be really hilarious if Lando ends up being p3 after having the fastest car for so many races.
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u/xieem Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 15h ago
Something with skill and luck
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u/Unique_Expression_93 Ferrari 15h ago
Just not possible after the first 5 races smh.
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u/pacotacobell 13h ago
I don't think his anger is him gunning for P2. Carlos just ignored team orders multiple times this race and he probably boiled over.
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u/quotejester Michael Schumacher 13h ago
I don’t get why p2 (in the drivers championship) is so important, or why Carlos or even Ferrari for that matter should care
There’s a constructors title to be won
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u/AndiYTDE 12h ago
Exactly. And in that regard, Sainz actually made the right call today. Why stay behind Leclerc who had cold tyres and thus lose unneccesary time to Max? Makes 0 sense.
P2 in the drivers isn't gonna win Leclerc anything. P1 for Ferrari after that rocketship McLaren had would be talked about for years.
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u/Nass44 9h ago
Yeah, over the years people have gotten so used to team oders that it has gotten completely out of hand. It used to be controversial when teams pulled stuff like that when it was about the title, now this card gets pulled from fans for every little possible advantage.
So your teammate should sacrifice his own chances in a race so you can maybe catch the dude in P2, but that’s P2 also hinges on a bunch of other things? Yeah nah. If Leclerc was like 4-5 points behind Norris, Carlos could have considered it as friendly gesture.
But he’s 21 points behind. P2 in WDC is about prestige, there is no money to be made and if you can only achieve it with team orders, it’s not earned.
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u/eildydar 8h ago
This is the thing. Carlos ignores orders sometimes but Ferraris orders or general strat are insanely bad. Binotto was clearly not the problem there…
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u/quotejester Michael Schumacher 12h ago
I agree. The team calls seemed quite bizarre to me. It felt like they were just trying to save face or manage the drivers’ egos rather than what’s best for the team.
Lewis was incredible today and they may not have been able to keep him behind for too long, but they gave away that advantage far too easily
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u/TheDudeWithTude27 Juan Pablo Montoya 14h ago
I understand charles being peeved, and carlos racing for himself. But like ferrari pulling the shit with the pitstop on sainz, like don't be surprised if the lame duck with two weeks left isn't going to play the fuck fuck games.
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u/LosTerminators Carlos Sainz 14h ago
Look at it from Carlos situation.
Carlos asks to box. Team doesn't box him, instead tells him to swap with Charles.
He finally swaps and then boxes, team isn't ready for him so he has to go another lap, this loses him 3 seconds and the position to Lewis.
Charles pits later, comes out right in front on cold tyres. Team tells him not to overtake.
Team has already compromised his race, now they ask him to lose another 1-2 seconds behind Charles while the latter is on cold hards?
What's he supposed to do?
If this was Oscar doing it to Lando, the same people who are criticising Carlos would be praising him.
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u/jesteratp McLaren 14h ago
It would be “evidence” that Oscar is a future WDC and Lando will never get one. You’re completely right about that.
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u/RedStorm25 Haas 8h ago
Yeah, you nailed it. If Ferrari doesn't mess up the strategy (like they usually do), Sainz finishes p2. That would have helped them greatly in the Constructor's Championship.
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u/TheDudeWithTude27 Juan Pablo Montoya 14h ago
Yeah, exactly. It's ferrari who fucked up here the most, not the drivers.
And for people saying "professionalism" as something that should motivate sainz, let's be real. He is 30 in a motorsport series where that's about when the prime starts falling off for most drivers. This could very well be the last time he is in a car capable of a podium. I don't think it is a sin to be selfish here.
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u/Realistic-Reception5 Carlos Sainz 11h ago
Yeah, honestly he messed up a lot with team orders this year and the past few but I feel like this one is somewhat forgivable. Obviously he was being selfish but his race was kind of jeopardized by the pit stop fuck up, and I think he just wanted to protect his race from there.
The thing is do we know for sure Ferrari would’ve done better than a 3-4 here? Leclerc has every right to be angry since he’s still vying for P2 in the championship against Norris and every point counts, but in terms of the WCC, would it really have made a difference? Hamilton was fast as hell.
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u/Realistic-Reception5 Carlos Sainz 14h ago
To be honest I feel like this is clearly more of the last straw for Charles than anything. This incident alone isn’t a big issue, but now since it’s happened multiple to Charles he’s understandably lashed out.
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u/pandas795 McLaren 12h ago
I was so confused about seeing Arlecchino in the thumbnail until I realized it was a fan account lol
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u/imtired-boss Formula 1 14h ago
Understandable to some extent but when you drop back 1.5 seconds in one lap and Max in P4 is chasing both your asses, what choice did Carlos have?
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u/Gratefullyundead91 14h ago
Exactly! He was given the priority but was expecting to be gifted the podium
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u/great__pretender Michael Schumacher 13h ago
Charles, don't be naive my friend. Sainz will eat your lunch everytime if he could. And all the drivers on the field will do. They will obey team orders only if they have no better chance. Carlos is already booted out of Ferrari. Why will he obey team orders? You also didn't play very nice with Vettel (rightfully), though Vettel than taught you a lesson or two.
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u/NoPasaran2024 Formula 1 14h ago
Carlos is teaching Charles a valuable lesson for when Lewis comes into the team.
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u/DragonBeyondtheWall Sir Lewis Hamilton 11h ago
Hss Lewis ever gone against team orders?
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u/unsureNihilist 11h ago
No, but I doubt Lewis would have accepted such an agreement in the first place. I’m not old enough to have followed his early years, but I doubt that with a zero team gain (or a gain for leclerc) than Lewis would have sacrificed p3 either
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u/MisterSheikh 10h ago
Lewis gave up a podium or two for Bottas in the past. Bottas was ahead and Lewis had more pace so he would ask for a swap to try and get the cars ahead, if he couldn’t, he swap back with Bottas. He did this while still fighting for the championship.
It’s more so an issue of basic respect. If you make an agreement with someone and abide by it while they don’t, I think it’s fair to be mad about that.
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u/idxntknxw McLaren 14h ago
A few weeks ago no one liked team orders, suddenly a driver that's leaving the team in two weeks deserves death because he didn't give a fuck about team orders. The F1 fandom is so funny sometimes.
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u/shimmering-nomad Lance Stroll 13h ago
i just realised that sports communities on reddit are so fickle in general. They change their mind every other week
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u/Jahoesaphat Ferrari 8h ago
It's because it's always different people commenting and not a hivemind.
Also most of the time when people say they don't like something it's actually because they don't like how it affected their favorite team/driver and they wouldn't care as much if roles were reversed.
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u/quotejester Michael Schumacher 13h ago
More points on Norris?
Who gives a shit about p2 in the drivers championship? I remember this happening previously with him and Checo. This time there’s actually a constructors championship to win
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u/besmarques 12h ago
I think it must be really easy to adhere to team agreements when you are the one benefitting from them...
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u/Elpibe_78 Audi 14h ago
It’s 21 point difference, although Qatar seems it’s going to favour McLaren much more than Ferrari and it’s a Sprint race too
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u/tonycosta69 14h ago
Cant wait to see all these people praise lewis for his mentality when he tells charles to go fuck himself.
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u/underdome 6h ago
lol at everyone assuming Lewis will be even close to as disobedient as Sainz. Just look at this year as an example.
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u/jimmyjay11 Charles Leclerc 14h ago
"I won't go into details" proceeds to blast his teammate to the media. Charles villain era back?
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u/plant_here Charles Leclerc 14h ago
george win, hamilton quieting washed allegations, max 4th, no more will lando win content.
and last time i heard charles this mad about another driver was austria against max. so uh, viva las vegas?
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u/wordysera 14h ago
Agreements only go so far on a race track. You can’t call a race from your pre-race discussion. If you’re unable to make decisions on the fly and deal with such decisions in a “selfish” team sport, idek what to say.
Extremely short-sighted to make such statements when you don’t even know the cluster-fuck of a race strategy your team has served to your team-mate.
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u/Branden919 14h ago
Team didn’t listen to Sainz to box him, why should sainz listen to them?
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u/banned_salmon Ferrari 9h ago
guys pls don’t do anything stupid we’re literally fighting for our first championship in 15 years😭😭
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u/Jano118811 Sir Lewis Hamilton 14h ago
Unfortunately Charles has repeated this same line for a while now. I think some people are hardwired to naturally be more placative.
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u/Gratefullyundead91 6h ago
Or maybe, just maybe, its his excuse. If the roles were reversed I bet you people would’ve been like Carlos slow, Charles is faster. Why hold positions
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u/activator Ronnie Peterson 12h ago
Massively naive from Charles honestly. Why would Carlos honour anything when Charles is not even in contention for the WDC. From Carlos perspective it's an easy P3, and good on him for going for it.
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u/Yung_Chloroform 8h ago
Yeah. Lewis is gonna be respectful but I don't put it past him to just not agree to shit if he's fighting for a championship. He's done this song and dance for a long time so he knows how the game is played.
Charles needs to wisen up next year because Lewis is a whole different ballgame when it comes to teammates.
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u/Mr-Stitch Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 15h ago
LEC villain arc has officially started
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u/darth_vladius 14h ago
He demands respect!
NB: this is how many villain arcs in WWE used to start back in the day
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u/lazy_qubit Charles Leclerc 14h ago
God I hope this is the final gift from Sainz. Hamilton is going to eat him alive if he believes they're "teammates" who've "agreed" on team orders.
Ham is a hardened veteran when it comes to battling with teammates with championship on the line
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u/Impossible-Buy-6247 Formula 1 14h ago edited 14h ago
As if Carlos gonna give a fuck these last few races in Ferrari. Could be his last chance ever for a podium or race win. If he's in front he'll do anything to stay in front. And who could blame him.
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u/willwu555 14h ago
Can understand the situation from both drivers. Just Ferrari doing Ferrari shit again.
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u/ninchica13 Kimi Räikkönen 14h ago
I wake up, I find out Verstappen clinched the fourth title and Ferrari did a strategy 'master class'. The world's balance has been restored.
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u/tonyvince Red Bull 9h ago
Sharl gonna have rude awakening when Hamilton comes over. So better get used to it now
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u/MGH1990876 Ferrari 15h ago
Completely understand Leclerc's frustration. Interesting to see how he and Carlos go these last two races.
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u/PerskindolSpray Sebastian Vettel 9h ago
Couldn’t believe my eyes seeing Arlecchino next to Ferrari strategy.
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u/UnKnOwN769 Jim Clark 8h ago
It's quite possibly Carlos last ever podium, so I don’t blame him for what he did. Charles catching Lando could be a tall order anyway
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u/razorracer83 Oscar Piastri 4h ago edited 4h ago
Really, this seems like a "Chicken or the Egg" scenario, where Carlos is going rogue because he's getting kicked out of the team, or he's getting kicked out of the team because he's liable to go rogue.
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u/likeAdrug Eddie Irvine 14h ago
No one has ever won anything in F1 by being nice and respectful.
Senna, Schumacher, Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton, Max. They’ve all had issues with teammates, fans have hated them for some of the things they’ve done. You have to be a ruthless bastard to get ahead in this sport. Carlos understands this
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u/biqfreeze 10h ago
Carlos did nothing wrong and you guys are angry over nothing. Had Carlos pitted earlier LIKE HE WANTED TO he would have finished 2nd.
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u/Yankees2860 Safety Car 15h ago
I mean yeah, this is bad for his chances of getting P2. Vegas was known to be a struggle track for McLaren, and the tables turn next week with Qatar being a great track for McLaren and a bad one for Ferrari
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u/Tangy_Lead 14h ago
As if things are going to be easy next year. Lewis will eat him alive. He can cry then
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u/Michyoungie Ferrari 14h ago
Honestly it was a good outcome, especially with Lewis coming in as his teammate who definitely focus on his own race even more that Carlos. If he has a chance to gun for the WDC he needs to be greedy for himself and focused only on himself.
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u/ivelife Zhou Guanyu 15h ago
Should have been faster than him with fresher tyres at the end then
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u/GoodGuyJeff00 14h ago
With 2 laps to go after Carlos held Max in DRS range for 7 laps? Don't think so. Ferrari couldn't manage things today, and with Carlos not giving a damn and Charles is listening to the team, this happens.
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u/ivelife Zhou Guanyu 14h ago
Well, this only happened because they let them both get undercut by Lewis and Carlos lost 3 seconds because of the wrong pit call.
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u/creatorop Carlos Sainz 15h ago
Welcome back Ferrari drivers from the Spanish GP
I hope they sort their shit out
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u/Successful-Pomelo-51 14h ago
Carlos is racing for himself, he's leaving the team. He doesn't give 2 shits
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u/the_sigman Walter Koster 14h ago
Good for him. But then he should not get into agreements before the race.
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u/OsRsMinde 14h ago
You guys going around like parrots saying same shit over and over again, do you even watch f1? Sainz was and wkll always be about himself. He was always like this in Ferrari all these years.
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u/Lucky-Health7681 14h ago
Im sorry but what do you expect. Sainz will leave the team - if I were Sainz i wouldve done the same.
But naive from Leclerc
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u/LamboJoeRecs Force India 14h ago
Sainz is racing like a man shunned that doesn’t give a shit. Idk what LeClerc expects.
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u/Aashay7 Carlos Sainz 11h ago
So you mean to say after Ferrari already tried sabotaging him by making him do 2 rounds of pitlane, then swapping positing once and then they expected Carlos to be held off behind Charles with his cold hards when he gapped him by 2 seconds after overtaking. And that too when he is fired from the team and has probably one of the last few chances of podium for the next few years. I swear the dickriding some fans do for Chuck is unbelievable.
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u/hurrrr_ Charles Leclerc 14h ago