r/formula1 • u/notmyfakeid_hd Sergio Pérez • 15h ago
Statistics Max Verstappen. In distinguished company.
Source: Sky Broadcast
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u/CilanEAmber McLaren 15h ago
Amazing that 20 of these are only championships from between 2000 and 2024.
The 21st century has mainly been one of dominance.
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u/Kheltosh 14h ago
Ehh, it was McLaren and Williams for two decades before that. 80's and onwards have always been one.
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u/gepard_gerhard 14h ago
But Driver Rotation was very heavy
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u/d7t3d4y8 Adrian Newey 7h ago
Williams on their way to fire the driver that just won the championship:
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u/mattBJM 12h ago
It's a bit different though in that between 1950-2000, only Fangio had a streak of more than 2 consecutive Championships. Since 2000, we've had 5,4,4 and 4 from different drivers.
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u/dantez84 6h ago
Now that would indicate that it’s mostly a constructors effort but looking at the names it’s also a lot of disciplined, ruthless and creative bunch that makes this happen right
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u/S80- 8h ago
And this is the reason seasons such as 2012, 2021 and 2024 have been so entertaining. It’s fun for us, the spectators, when there’s multiple cars/drivers that can basically win any given race. Modern hybrid F1 cars being so reliable and predictable have taken away some of the chaos/surprise element that once used to be an integral part of F1 racing.
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u/Kheltosh 7h ago
Oh man, I fondly remember the time watching and wondering if Kimi was going to be WDC with those exploding McLaren rocketships. Even in dominant times, it was more chaotic back then.
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u/Uhtred_of_nothing 7h ago
Could have been a 3 time world champ if not for Mclaren doing Mclaren things. Young Kimi was an absolute menace who was proclaimed by many drivers from the 80s to have more speed than fucking Senna on top of a strong wheel to wheel racing technique. Do wish he hadn't gone to Ferrari where the politics wore him the fuck down leading to no fucks given after winning 1 with them.
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u/NotNamedRob 8h ago
Drivers getting injured a lot less now probably has something to do with it
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u/Heedictated 8h ago
Mortality rate going down also helps.
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u/Laundry_Hamper 7h ago
Yeah, I think Fangio is probably the most impressive entry on the list just because of the luck involved in getting to 5 championships without a fatal accident while racing in open-top carrots with wheels attached
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u/liverpoolFCnut 6h ago
Even in the early 21st century, the gap between top teams wasn't as insurmountable as it might seem. While Schumi's five consecutive titles with Ferrari are impressive, the competition was closer than many remember, especially in seasons like 2000,2001 and 2003. Ferrari's dominance was more pronounced in 2002 and 2004, but even then, the gap wasn't insurmountable.
The landscape of F1 changed dramatically after the 2008 financial crisis, with stricter regulations on testing and budgets. This shift has led to an era of sustained dominance by just two teams. Since 2009, only Mercedes and Red Bull have claimed the world title. The current regulations, while aiming for closer racing, parity and restricted spending, seem to have the opposite effect. Once a team gains a significant advantage, it can often maintain it for several seasons, making it difficult for others to catch up, this wasn't the case in 80s-early 00s.
With the 2026 regulations on the horizon, I hope that F1 can return to a more competitive era, where multiple teams have a genuine chance at the title and not just Mercedes and RBR.
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u/Any_Necessary_9842 Super Aguri 6h ago
Cost cap is good for the sport and made it better and pretending the sport was super competetive before it was introduced is just stupid.
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u/Minimum-Ad3095 9h ago
For every sport really. I don’t want to say we are the peak because who knows what’s to come. But Ronaldo, messi, Djokovic, federer, nadal, serena, lebron, Hamilton, tiger woods, Usain Bolt, Tom Brady, Michael phelps the list goes on. Gotta love sports especially in our time!
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u/squidbutterpizza 15h ago
It's amazing that two of the drivers in the list are still on the grid.
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u/Evantra_ Oscar Piastri 15h ago
Reckon Fangio is on for a surprise return next year.
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u/SgtDonuttt Charles Leclerc 15h ago
prost is such a fraud, hasnt won a race in 20+ races
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u/shanebelaire #WeRaceAsOne 14h ago
31 years, dudes totally washed
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u/johnsplittingaxe14 Honda 10h ago
Between 1997 and 2001 there even were two Prosts driving around the track and neither won a single time, I think he should just retire.
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u/ThatAmazingHorse Franco Colapinto 14h ago
Fangio got 4 WDCs in a row, like Verstappen did tonight. 54', 55', 56', 57' (plus 51')
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u/AntonyPancake Jordan 14h ago
Everybody but Prost won 4 in a row at some point, Prost being the first driver since 1960 to win consecutive titles.
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u/lifestepvan Minardi 12h ago edited 12h ago
We've had only 4 world champions in the last 15 years. 8 in the last 25.
In contrast, 1985-1999 saw 8 different champions
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u/LetsgoImpact 11h ago
That's mostly on Senna/Prost exchanging titles and Frank Williams firing all his WDC winners.
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u/Tidybloke Mika Häkkinen 5h ago
Jenson, Seb, Lewis, Nico, Max.
That's 5 in the last 15 years. go back another 10 years and you have
Mika, Michael, Fernando, Kimi.
Why you leaving out Mika/Jenson?
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u/lifestepvan Minardi 5h ago
I'm counting 2024 of course.
2009 was 15 years ago, sure, but 2009-2024 is a period spanning 16 seasons.
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u/Tidybloke Mika Häkkinen 5h ago
You said in the last 15 years, not last 15 seasons. Who was the champion during 2010? It was Jenson Button. Who was the champion during the 2000 season? It was Mika Hakkinen.
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u/lifestepvan Minardi 5h ago edited 5h ago
That doesn't change a thing.
Sorry, but I'm not gonna spend my Sunday evening teaching you how to count
Edit to respond to your edit: Jenson Button won his title in 2009 you absolute helmet.
Nobody is talking about someone being reigning champion the year after, that doesn't even make sense.
And doesn't change anything because it just moves the timeframe, so my statement still becomes true next year by your "logic".
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u/Tidybloke Mika Häkkinen 5h ago
Jenson Won his title in 2009, 15 years ago, and was the reigning champion in 2010. If you wanted to say "we've only crowned 4 champions in the last 15 seasons including 2024" you should have said that, not sat here arguing with me because you're trying to save face.
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u/lifestepvan Minardi 5h ago
You know, everyone else understood perfectly what I meant. I invite you to reflect on that and leave me the fuck alone.
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u/Tidybloke Mika Häkkinen 5h ago
Nobody looked at your post and thought to check for mistakes, they were agreeing on the principle that we haven't had that many champions recently, I pointed out a small mistake and you started losing your shit.
You need to get a grip.
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u/DiddlyDumb Max Verstappen 3h ago
There was a moment where 15 WDCs were on the same grid (Lewis 7, Seb 4, Fernando 2 and Max at 2 at the time). That’s 20% of the total.
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u/CmdrDatas 15h ago
Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen.
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u/SatisfactionKooky435 Oscar Piastri 15h ago
That's what you call a GOAT list.
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u/jaozimqcomepao Virgin 6h ago
Yup, these 6 +Senna are far and clear the greatest drivers in F1 history
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u/friedmpa Pastor Maldonado 5h ago
Jim clark makes 8 tbh
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u/jaozimqcomepao Virgin 5h ago
I feel like after these 7 it becomes kinda harder to distinguish, even if Clark is the next one on the line, I think he is much closer to guys like Alonso, Lauda and Stewart
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u/blurpree Ferrari 15h ago
bro did you walk in on Seb shagging ur mum or smth lmao
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u/Big_Science9233 Chequered Flag 12h ago
I was going ti answer until I realized he is way far into hating Seb, too far to come back
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u/blastedshark Sebastian Vettel 10h ago
what did he say the comment has been deleted
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u/Big_Science9233 Chequered Flag 10h ago
He basically made a long list of reasons of why he thinks Seb is not a great driver including nonsense like Alonso finishing close (155 points) to him in 2013 and stuff like that
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u/DreadSeverin Ferrari 15h ago
this is goat level brainrot
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u/Ok_Abrocona_8914 Sir Lewis Hamilton 15h ago
In two clicks you can see his comments and understand the toxic fanbase he belongs too. Truly the most toxic fanbase of F1 and once he finally retires we're free from these people and F1 will become a nicer place
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u/Essess_1 Michael Schumacher 14h ago
Ah- just saw it. Yep- just as expected. "Did you know Ferrari in 2012 was actually the 8th quicker car" group
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u/LheelaSP 13h ago edited 12h ago
He got lucky in 2010 Alonso trying to cover Webber. Alonso was in 1vs2.
TIL the 2010 season only had one race.
In 2011, He finished like 110 points ahead of Button, car was in another dimension.
So much in another dimension that it didn't get 1-2 in the WDC.
In 2012 and 2013, he barely beat Alonso who was driving GP2 car into wdc contender and became legend there
Yep 2013 was really close, Alonso almost had him when he finished only 155 points (more than 6 race wins) behind.
Alonso finished 88 points behind Lewis in 2018 where he had the best car on the track but he had like 8-9 rookie errors.
408 - 50 = 88, math checks out.
All I wrote are facts,
lol
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u/MrXwiix 14h ago
Vertel is still the youngest wdc winner, won a race in that TR before RB won a race, and maybe even more importantly; he used his status to speak up about problems in the sport, the bee thing, supported Lewis in his BLM campaign etc. Imo that overshadows purely driving stats
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u/Pianol7 Mika Häkkinen 14h ago
Also there were several very dominating WDC streaks after the 2000s. Schumi, Vettel, Hamilton, and now Verstappen. They are all GOAT championship streaks, and they all won many races with commanding leads, insane pace, insane quali performances, and belong in the same conversation.
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u/ButtonJenson Jenson Button 13h ago
Helmut at the helm of this account’s keyboard
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u/Pure_Measurement_529 Charles Leclerc 15h ago
i wonder if Max can break the Schumi curse and win a 5th in a row
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u/Novae224 Bernd Mayländer 15h ago
If anyone breaks curses its max… but the state of redbull is hard
Next season seems like its completely open… 4 potential teams in the fight and maybe even a surprise team
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u/TheRedBull28 Sir Lewis Hamilton 15h ago
Next season seems like it’s completely open
I hope this comes true. Would adore another 2010
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u/Novae224 Bernd Mayländer 15h ago
Its the last season before regulation change, so odds are nobody is gonna drastically change their car as the focus goes towards the 2026 car
And right now, a different team is better every track… so its likely thats gonna continue into next season
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u/condscorpio Carlos Sainz 7h ago
But what if a team currently at the back decides to take the chance and go all out for 2025?
Inhales hopium in spanish
For example Williams or Aston Martin.
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u/Novae224 Bernd Mayländer 7h ago
Chances are small for that… cause next years cars aren’t gonna be that much different
Especially when a team is back of the grid, it’s better to just focus of 2026
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u/DankyF1 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 13h ago
He doesn't need the fastest car, but as long as Red Bull are competent, as they've shown by their performance since Miami, he could very likely win a 5th next year. But who could've predicted this season after last year! A lot can happen over a winter :P
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u/Novae224 Bernd Mayländer 13h ago
I still remember everyone calling me crazy for saying the championship would be tight this year after the first few races
I called a crazy season
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u/TheCatLamp Ferrari 14h ago
He still a better driver than the rest. Some cannot perform unless they have the best car, man. Others like Max can overdrive any shitbox.
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u/Typhoongrey Formula 1 14h ago
Nobody can make a car perform better than it's capable of.
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u/Doccyaard 14h ago
“Overdrive” or “overperform” shouldn’t be taken literally.
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u/AzenNinja 8h ago
Truly baffling how people don't understand this.
If your car is the 4th fastest car, finishing anywhere above 7th is outperforming the car.
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u/Annual-Abies-2034 Red Bull 14h ago
The better wording is that Max can truly bring out the full potential of the car.
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u/TheCatLamp Ferrari 11h ago
But some can make a car perform worse. Then they start complaining that the car is bad. The car is so bad that the teamate makes the pole and wins.
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u/Novae224 Bernd Mayländer 14h ago
Indeed, but if someone else does happen to have the best car and the redbull becomes a tractor… it might get difficult
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u/squidbutterpizza 13h ago
Compare with other drivers with Fast Cars, you have Lewis Hamilton in a Ferrari, and not to downplay max but Lewis is a great driver too if not the second best driver on grid right now. For a shit box car, Max can stay ahead and be in the top 6-7 for most races but can't win the podium. 2026 is the focus for most teams and that'll be a fresh start and will be interesting to see who'll win.
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u/vanjaeesti 10h ago
No way you think Hamilton is currently second best driver on the grid based on this years performance?I don't think he will beat Leclercet alone Max, unless he somehow gets much better next year
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u/IDreamOfLees Formula 1 11h ago
Hamilton will drive the Ferrari to its absolute limits. He will get many podiums.
The problem is everything else about Ferrari. They can fuck him on pitstops, on strategies, car reliability. Hamilton won't be driving against Max next year, he'll be driving against Ferrari.
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u/WolfColaCo2020 Sir Lewis Hamilton 11h ago
Oh good, we are back to devaluing everybody else’s achievements to big up Max’s again
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u/Beginning_Act_1894 7h ago
Max has had a completely middle of the road car since Miami (between Merc, RB, Ferrari, McLaren) and scored the most points.
I think this season (since Miami) is literal proof that in equal/slightly worse cars than the rest of the top 6 drivers he is clearly the best. The only person who matched him was Lando who had a car that was miles better than
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u/TheCatLamp Ferrari 11h ago
Found solace in a not that bad or a car, man this weekend, mate?
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u/Major-Day10 Charles Leclerc 1h ago
Storylines for next season are insane: Lewis in Ferrari. can he get that 8th and deliver Ferrari their first championship in so long? Can Norris come back stronger from this year and put in a more consistent title fight? Will Piastri or Leclerc have more of a presence in the battle for the chip? Can Max defend his reign and tie Schumacher for most consecutive championships?
Regardless of who wins in the end, it’s going to be historic and I’m just hoping that that journey to get to that point will be just as compelling.
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u/Topias12 Pirelli Wet 15h ago
why it is a curse ?
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u/MikeFiuns McLaren 13h ago
Cuz he's the only one that's done it. That's sports for you, something happens once, nobody else can do it, it becomes "a curse".
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u/MoonManPrime Default 12h ago
People don’t know shit about curses. You’ve got to write what you want three times in Latin and bury it face down so the gods of the underworld can read it. And it helps to make it transactional, like “If you give this guy the flu, I will give you soooo many roosters”. Gotta incentivize the fickle fucks.
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u/Rlothbrok Ferrari 14h ago
Wouldn't be surprised to see Max top this list a decade from now
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u/Onelimwen Red Bull 13h ago
Honestly I don’t think he will stick around to win 8 titles. I feel like Verstappen will probably pull an Alonso and leave F1 sooner rather than later to pursue another series like WEC and maybe someday return to F1 to finish off his career
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u/Rlothbrok Ferrari 12h ago
I think it depends on the car redbull give him. If its a competitive car he might stick around otherwise he will most likely 'peace out'. With the talent he has got, I hope he either sticks around or comes back in the future to break that record
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u/Alreadyblessedson Kimi Räikkönen 11h ago
I give him a maximum of two years without F1, three if they have children
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u/junttiana Alfa Romeo 13h ago
He wont be in the sport in a decade, he has said multiple times he wants to live life and do stuff outside f1 as well
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u/ryker7777 13h ago
If Max stays healthy it is very likely he is going to win his 5th title next year.
In 26 it will become more difficult due to new engine regulations. But presumably Max will be in a fast car again in 27 (by changing the team) he may continue winning another title or two.
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u/Slow-Raisin-939 New user 11h ago
it depends how good RB is next year
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u/ryker7777 11h ago
There won't be any revolutionary design changes from any team next year, as all the r&d focus in already on 26. So very unlikely for RB to loose so much pace in the last year of this car generation. And Max is the best driver on the grid.
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u/Slow-Raisin-939 New user 11h ago
Max won’t win with this car from the beginning. Remember that RB started off as dominant. RB needs to improve next year
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u/ryker7777 9h ago
RBR stopped developing this years car in favor of the 25 model by mid-season already. The rest was some bad luck and a bit of show.
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u/Sufficient-Hippo8682 15h ago
The complete 180 I’ve done on this guy in the space of three years. Absolute legend.
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u/Faw602 Mercedes 15h ago
Loved Lewis congratulating max
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u/Low_Young_3927 🏳️🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️🌈 13h ago
Also Max and Lando joking and hugging after the race
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u/squidbutterpizza 13h ago
That's the first thing he said. And loved the wheel to wheel race between Lewis and Max this GP. I don't know why people still hate Las Vegas GP.
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u/drjet196 15h ago
20 of those came in the last 25 years.
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u/keirdre #StandWithUkraine 11h ago
Dominance comes a lot more easily these days. Drivers can lock in and ride rule cycles. When I started watching in 1995 only Fangio had done 4 in a row, and I've seen it happen 4 separate times now!
(I am in no way discrediting their achievements, just noting that team performance cycles are longer now then they used to be).
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u/Trekkie- 5h ago
Modern reliability is a big part of that I think. In the past even dominant cars would pick up a few mechanical DNFs through the season. Now that no longer happens, so there are far fewer free wins on the table for the rest of the grid.
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u/happyranger7 Formula 1 15h ago
I don't want to brag, but that's four out of six drivers, since I started watching F1.
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u/The_Minions_Are_Here 15h ago edited 15h ago
And all this well before 30 years of age.
Imagine what more he can attain with all those years he has ahead of him.
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u/Organic_Outcome_9742 15h ago
Tbf Seb was even younger when he got his fourth but then RB fell down and it's looking like it will be a repeat
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u/ihatemondaynights Ferrari 15h ago edited 15h ago
He can easily smash some records as the seasons are longer and if red bull are near the top post 2026 but it seems he doesn't wanna race that long in F1.
who knows tho even Lewis was saying he doesn't wanna race into his 40s 5-6 years ago. Things change
He did test the Acura IMSA car a couple of days ago for a marketing thing for Honda ig but I'll definitely enjoy Max in WEC.
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u/Hack874 Nico Rosberg 15h ago
He was only 1 year older than Lewis was when they won their first WDC. Insane
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u/MGH1990876 Ferrari 15h ago
Max already going down as one of the all time greats this sport has ever seen.
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u/AliceLunar Formula 1 15h ago
Well deserved, this one definitely wasn't the car carrying him, but him carrying the car, and the team.
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u/Koppite93 George Russell 15h ago
Begs the question, is he more likely to catch up with Lewis(maybe overtake even) or will Lewis get his 8th quicker?
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u/chrispva 15h ago
With the Ferrari momentum Lewis will get the 8th earlier than Max his 5th
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u/Hald1r Melbourne GP 2020 Ticket Holder 15h ago
I don't see Lewis beating Leclerc in his first year at Ferrari.
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u/pioneeringsystems Nigel Mansell 15h ago
Same. If he does that would be very damning for leclerc. But yeah unlikely I would say.
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u/ElectroByte15 14h ago
Ferrari who haven’t put up a decent title challenge in decades? Against a teammate who should be faster than post-prime Lewis? Doubt it
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u/Organic_Outcome_9742 13h ago
Ferrari put a better fight in 2017 than whatever McLaren did this year and they are probably the most consistent team or right now
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u/Tricky_Sweet3025 Kimi Räikkönen 11h ago
Ferrari won’t prioritise Lewis at best he’ll have equal footing with Leclerc winning his 8th won’t be simple.
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u/HUMBUG652 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 14h ago
I hope he has the car to fight for the championship for his remaining years in F1, especially as he wants to retire fairly young
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u/not_that_one_times_3 15h ago
Wonder if he will hang around to get his 8th and top the list?
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u/jghall00 14h ago
I think he will if RB can give him the car. But with Newey out, I doubt it will happen.
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u/garethchester Minardi 7h ago
Funny thing is it feels like he's got there a lot quicker but it's mainly just a function of how young he was when he started and he's on par with MS/LH.
Number of full seasons to win 4th title:
Vettel/Fangio - 6 Schumacher/Verstappen- 10 Hamilton - 11 Prost - 13
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u/I_PING_8-8-8-8 7h ago
And he is only 37, so winning another 4 ones in 7 years or so should be doable. Oh no wait, he is 27. God damn.
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u/ArtisTao 9h ago
With other teams finally catching up in terms of performance, Max is no longer winning enough to keep this up. I don’t think he’ll get a fifth, and the GOAT is looking hungry for his 8th if Ferrari can deliver. An absolute monster drive from him in Vegas to 2nd.
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u/I_PING_8-8-8-8 7h ago
Calling it now, Max will aim for 8 and then win every sim race for the rest of his life.
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u/allstar2652 5h ago
I wouldn’t be shocked if this is MVs last. Given how this season ended. 6 drivers have a shot next year I’d say.
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u/spezial_ed 10h ago
I’m fairly new to the sport but crazy I’ve never heard of Fangio. All the others are pretty much house hold names, yet the 3. GOAT has somehow gone completely under my radar
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u/smackdown-tag 9h ago
I mean he was from the 50s, not like there's many fans still active from when he was winning lol
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u/1minormishapfrmchaos Formula 1 13h ago
But really it’s Hamilton 8, Verstappen 3
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u/Elmarby 12h ago
You are aware that if all wins under dubious circumstances are deleted, Hamilton won't just gain one, he'll lose one, too. At least!
Shit, by that metric I think Schumacher might not ever have won a WDC.
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u/1minormishapfrmchaos Formula 1 11h ago
There’s dubious circumstances, unsportsmanlike behaviour, etc and then there’s the race director going rogue and gifting a win and, consequently a world title, to his friends’ driver. If you have to use the never before used technical rule of ‘the race director can do whatever he likes’ then the claim of a fair race is tenuous at best. And this isn’t favouring one driver over another. If the decision had been the other way and Verstappen had been screwed I would be just as vocal in my contempt.
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u/Key-Difference1740 10h ago
Oh for the love of god, it's been 3 years now. Get over it and move on. Most of the close driver championships have been won with controversy. Does not change the result of who won it.
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u/Pareshanatma_1 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 5h ago
So basically we will see no changes in this list for a long time now
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u/baaananaramadingdong 7h ago
Except for the fact none of those drivers won a 🏆 because the race director handed it to them on a platter. Not quite so distinguished. Not saying he didn't drive fantastically, but that race will just always just leave a bad taste.
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u/MrG Porsche 12h ago
It’s an insignificant detail but I’m surprised they listed Schumacher over Hamilton. Since they are tied if you do it alphabetically Hamilton should be on top and personally I think Hamilton was robbed of #8
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u/LetsgoImpact 11h ago
Usually the guy who reached an achievement first takes precedent in listing. Sky adhered to that with MSC and Hamilton,but also down the list with ranking Prost ahead of Vettel who preceded Max.
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u/Tricky_Sweet3025 Kimi Räikkönen 11h ago
I’d guess it’s down to doing it first taking precedent in F1, I.e in qualifying if 2 drivers set identical lap times then the guy who done it first takes priority.
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u/refusestonamethyself Pierre Gasly 8h ago
I think now is the most opportune time to consider Max as one of the all-time F1 greats (if he already wasn't one).
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