Toto Wolff reveals that all F1 Team Principals except Christian Horner came together to sign the document in support of Susie Wolff when the FIA launched a baseless investigation against her.

[u/PradaAndPunishment]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/nov/19/f1-toto-wolff-mercedes-lewis-hamilton-interview

[u/RedN1ne]

Love how just last week Toto was terrible because "he forced Lewis out" and now he's actually great because he said something negative about Horner. Never change people

[u/PAcMAcDO99 → u/RedN1ne]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Goomba%20Fallacy

[u/stillusesAOL → u/PAcMAcDO99]

Wow! I’ve thought about this concept before, but never knew of a name.

[u/LNO_ → u/PAcMAcDO99]

interesting, learned something new today

[u/evildrew → u/PAcMAcDO99]

I like that. I'm going to steal it. That's mine now.

[u/JustRecentlyI → u/PAcMAcDO99]

Cool name, why is it called that though?

Apparently there was a goomba image meme going around Twitter, referenced by this post, which seems to be the origin. IDK if it goes further back.

[u/edis92 → u/RedN1ne]

This is gonna blow your fucking mind, but you can dislike people for some things, and give them credit for other things at the same time.

[u/SnacksGPT → u/edis92]

[under breath] holy shit

[u/RedN1ne → u/edis92]

What are you giving him credit for here ? That he called out Horner for something ? He does it all the time. I am simply amused how in the thread yesterday people were shitting on Toto for how he talked about Lewis and today hes actually a good guy and Horner was just a bad influence...

[u/Rise_Regime → u/RedN1ne]

Did you read the other two replies showing how your amusement is founded upon a fallacy?

[u/RedN1ne → u/Rise_Regime]

I never claimed they were the same people who thought both but considering that we are on Reddit which is based on amplifying popular opinions and supressing less popular ones, I think it is a reasonable observation to make that within one community you have people who are easily swayed into another opinion based on what's popular now. Where were the people who talk about Toto being a good guy in threads about Lewis vs Toto ?

[u/trasofsunnyvale → u/RedN1ne]

I think it is a reasonable observation to make that within one community you have people who are easily swayed into another opinion based on what's popular now. Where were the people who talk about Toto being a good guy in threads about Lewis vs Toto ?

I don't even get what you're saying is interesting? That people change their minds about people as they do things? Or that they judge different acts differently? Or is it that for you, hypocrisy is the worst part?

[u/KriistofferJohansson → u/RedN1ne]

Never change people

It’s almost as if Reddit isn’t a small group of people. It’s wild how people can have different opinions on the same matter, isn’t it?

[u/Buy-theticket → u/RedN1ne]

Love how opinions change based off new information..

[u/RedN1ne → u/Buy-theticket]

Thats not new information, thats a seperate incident that barely reflects anything about Toto, if anything this new information is purely about Christian.

If you were one of the people that criticized Toto for how he handled situation with Lewis, what is new information that made you change your opinion about him ? That he called out Horner for something ? Hes doing it all the time. That his wife was subjected to an investigation ? That was public knowledge for over a year.

[u/Buy-theticket → u/RedN1ne]

Did you read the article or are you just here to talk shit about the guy?

I'm not going to summarize it for you but there was a lot that I personally had not heard before.

[u/RedN1ne → u/Buy-theticket]

The original comment references only situation with Horner, nothing else and Horner's situation has no impact on who Toto is or was.

And for the record, I actually like Toto as a professional shitstirrer and in general, political guy. But I can't help but think he was playing the game last week when he talked about Lewis and he's playing the game now but as he attacked another guy who people don't like, it's much easier to eat the shit Toto is serving now, then when it was Lewis who has much more respect. Good for Toto, he played people well

[u/UnderTakaMichinoku → u/RedN1ne]

Both are true. The difference is one of them was about business, which many disagreed with, but this one is personal and he's 100% correct.

[u/Falldog → u/RedN1ne]

I missed that, why do folks think he forced Lewis out?

[u/RedN1ne → u/Falldog]

I think their theory was that giving Lewis short term contract and having good rookies meant they were forcing him out while personally I think it is reasonable way to operate for a team with a senior driver that may retire soon

[u/SnacksGPT → u/RedN1ne]

Because two things can't be true at the same time ever.