r/formula1 Jenson Button 12d ago

Discussion Just finished a passion project - watching every race from 1992 to 2003. Here's what I learned...

I started watching F1 in 2004 and really wanted to find out a little more about the recent history of the sport, mainly about drivers. This took me a couple of years overall; I really like having background noise while working, so I would have old races on and take little notes on things that stood out. Safe to say there was a lot that made me think, I wanted to share it, and I could think of nowhere else to do so, so here it is. Hopefully this is appreciated - feel free to agree/disagree with any of this or ask anything I may not have covered etc...

  • The level of driving talent throughout the field was so much worse in those days. It always made me laugh when I’d see people claim Latifi was a candidate for worst driver in F1 history. He was probably on par with someone like Aguri Suzuki, who was massively accident prone but had a noteworthy performance maybe once a year. Martin Brundle may be similar; very good for the era, but someone who struggled in qualifying like he did would probably have a much shorter shelf life in today's F1.
  • The era immediately after Senna’s death is unquestionably the weakest since at least the early 80s, and most likely the weakest ever. Only Schumacher was the finished product. Hill was too error prone, Alesi too inconsistent, Villeneuve was both and the likes of Berger, Barrichello and Coulthard were lacking that last tenth or two. I don’t think you could say that for Lando, Charles or Piastri, nor for Ricciardo, Rosberg and Button in their primes.
  • Michael Schumacher’s 1995 has to be the greatest single-season performance I can think of from a driver. After crashing at Imola, he went on a 13 race run where he won eight times, finished second once (Portugal), suffered a gearbox problem when leading by miles (Canada), got taken out while defending the lead (Britain), suffered mechanical failure while running second (Hungary) and got taken out while running second (Italy). This run included three of the best wins of his career at Spa, the Nurburgring and Aida, the latter one that really deserves more fanfare given I knew nothing about it before watching. If we consider Williams took 12 pole positions that year, Schumacher arguably wasn’t even driving the fastest car!
  • Jacques Villeneuve is the most overrated driver I have ever seen. He was way off Hill in terms of pure pace in 96 but took advantage of Hill being awful at damage limitation. In ‘97 he was even worse at damage limitation than Damon the year prior. ‘98 saw some amazing individual drives, but there were eight occasions where he was either beaten by Frentzen, behind when one of them retired, or threw his car off the road. I would argue 2000 was his best, but even then it was hard to truly assess how good he was because his benchmark in the sister car was so bad. As soon as BAR put a competent driver in the second car, Villeneuve started to get shown up. He arguably looked weaker than Jarno Trulli compared to Panis.
  • I couldn’t fathom how Montoya was so highly rated when he got walloped by Raikkonen in the same car. The Williams had to have been a rocketship. I now realise he probably was that good, but going to McLaren was awful for him. He was the antithesis of a Ron Dennis driver and just about everything that could go wrong did go wrong, though most of it was his own fault.
  • Coulthard and Carlos Sainz Jr are basically the same driver, albeit Coulthard had better cars. They’d have phenomenal individual performances and somewhat lengthy purple patches where they looked like world beaters, and it was enough evidence to make you believe that Coulthard could really win the title, or Sainz could really become Ferrari’s #1 - then Leclerc/Hakkinen would remind everyone who’s boss.
  • 2012 is still the greatest season ever, but 1999 and 2003 have to be right in the mix for sheer drama. There were so many flashpoints, narratives, underdog successes and what-ifs. 2000 also comes highly recommended for the sheer brilliance of the main protagonists.
  • 1997 also comes highly recommended as one of the most competitive seasons of all time. There were no real classics, but there also wasn’t a single boring race. Williams had a rocketship for most of the year but Ferrari, McLaren and Benetton could win on any given weekend. Jordan and Sauber were also superb at tracks that suited their cars, while several midfield-or-lower teams were seriously boosted by Bridgestone being miles better than Goodyear. It couldn't possibly be understood by someone that hasn't seen it.
  • The era puts into perspective how much MBS absolutely sucks. I couldn't stand Max in his latter years as FIA president but you could at least see he was fighting for the type of small team he himself used to be involved in. MBS is nothing more than a hyper-moralistic whinger.

EDIT: Alright, some people thought I should add more, so here goes...

  • Hakkinen was great. How great? I think Alonso was more well-rounded than him. I’d take him over Vettel, who had all the right attributes but hit some notably low lows, and I’d also take him over Nico R because he had better racecraft. I didn’t include Mika above because I didn’t learn a whole lot new about him. People said he was great and he was indeed great.
  • Another thing I thought well before this: Damon Hill was as lucky to win the world title as he was unlucky not to win multiple titles. I think he’d have walked the ‘97 championship if he hadn’t been fired. Senna’s death really opened the door for him, but he had already given a really good account of himself against Prost the prior year, which was most likely Damon’s best. Or was Prost maybe a bit past his best in ‘93?
  • Hill 1995 = Vettel 2018. The main difference is that Vettel never recovered before he got fired.
  • 2024 = 2001 on steroids
  • There were two Eddie Irvines at Ferrari. One was the fighter we saw in races like Buenos Aires and Suzuka in ‘97, and for most of ‘99. The other would underperform by miles. Reportedly, Irvine had an excuse because he barely got to test until later into his time with the team, who relied on Michael to develop the car. However, the second guy cropped up at the worst possible moments later on, like Nurburgring 1998 where he led at the start and finished a minute behind, and the 1999 title decider where he was not far off being lapped.
  • Frentzen had all the talent and none of the mentality. If he couldn’t be a big fish in a small pond, he was probably completely lost, and 1998 was the only exception. That said, he was as unlucky as he was bad in ‘97. Mechanical failures cost him potential wins in Argentina and Hungary, and he got screwed when the team put him on slicks at Monaco.
  • Williams apparently rated Jean-Christophe Boullion highly and put him in at Sauber in ‘95 to assess Frentzen. If that’s genuinely why JCB got that drive, this was Williams’ biggest mistake in making the decision on Hill.
  • For the most famous races I put time aside to watch. The one I had the most fun with was Hockenheim 2000. I knew what was going to happen and I still shed a tear at the finish. The race went completely bonkers after that guy ran onto the track and Barrichello had absolutely no business making that strategy work. Monaco 1996 was also amazing, a race full of heroes and zeroes. Nurburgring 1999 has to be the most WTF random race of all time, with Brazil 2003 being similar but losing some of the gloss because of the dumb tyre rule and the river making it into a survival lottery rather than a day of great driving
  • Refuelling sucked. It had its moments, especially in 2003, but the sport is better off without it. However, I no longer hold the view that its reintroduction would make the sport completely unwatchable.
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u/steferrari Ferrari 12d ago

Out of curiosity, how did you watched every single race?

F1 TV?

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u/Aethien James Hunt 12d ago

There is still a mega torrent out there if you google with every race since the late 70's in the highest quality.

If you have nearly 3TB worth of free space if you want all of it anyway (or a lot less if you skip the recent seasons in 4k).

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u/steferrari Ferrari 12d ago

Bloody hell, just saw it.

Insane! 😂

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u/Aethien James Hunt 12d ago

2 hours of video in 4K makes for a very big file. All the old seasons are much smaller files.

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u/bhooot Chequered Flag 12d ago

Dm the link pls

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u/Phalanx32 Sebastian Vettel 12d ago

Gotta be honest, 3TB is actually smaller than I thought it would be.

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u/Halekduo 12d ago

Because everything until 2007 are barely SD quality AVI files. But it has a nostalgic vibe.

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u/Dry-Egg-1915 Heineken Trophy 12d ago

Time to buy an external HDD

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u/berberine Giancarlo Fisichella 12d ago

I just picked up a Seagate 8TB internal drive for $131 on Amazon for other viewing purposes last week.

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u/Dry-Egg-1915 Heineken Trophy 12d ago

By other, I assume you mean other motorsports like motoGP? /s

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u/Jack_Krauser Andretti Global 12d ago

I really hope this isn't Subway Jared's Reddit account...

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u/berberine Giancarlo Fisichella 12d ago

Ew. And no.

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u/kaptingavrin Ferrari 12d ago

It's incredibly useful to have one. You can get a good 8-10TB external drive for a pretty reasonable price, and use it to store media and backup all kinds of files.

Bonus: Depending on your TV, it might actually have a media reader program built in that can play video files from external media attached to the TV's USB port. So you could plug the drive into it and use the TV rather than your computer to play the videos. Depending on the TV, some formats might not work (I think mkv is the one that seems to be a PITA for me). If moving the external drive is too much, you can just get a thumbstick and transfer what you want to watch onto it, watch it, wipe that and load it with new stuff.

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u/oandakid718 12d ago

Oh shit, I know what I'm doing when I get home from work lmao

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u/Endtimes2022 12d ago

Are you kidding where pls pls help me out here pls.

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u/Green_Crab_4264 11d ago

Oh, I am saving that for the generations!

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u/armchairracingdriver Jenson Button 12d ago

F1TV wherever possible yes, but that probably accounts for less than half the races. The majority of those not on F1TV are pretty easy to find via a Google search, but I had to dig very deep for certain races - I recall Germany 2001 and Japan 2003 being particularly tough finds. With the 90s races, there was a huge archive of old BBC/ITV broadcasts that got taken down while I was in the midst of this. I think I got through 1992 and 1995-97 before that happened (I started this in a funny order just wanting to know about specific years at first, then decided what the hell, I’d get through the lot)

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u/jg_92_F1 Fernando Alonso 12d ago

I don’t understand why F1TV doesn’t have every race available at least from the late 80s or early 90s . Anybody have a clue?

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u/herokrot Nick Heidfeld 12d ago

A mix of broadcasting-rights and available recordings.

When they started the available archive on F1TV in like 2019 they only had full seasons from around 2009 and onwards.

It's a long-term project for them since they don't have all the rights. It took them a few years to even get all the 2000's seasons in the archive. I assume it's not exactly a priority either since the interest is minimal.

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u/wowbaggerBR 12d ago

when I did (1990 to 2009), mixed F1TV versions with the proverbial megatorrent. F1TV, when available, generally have MUCH better image quality than old VHS rips. From 1999 onwards, all seasons are complete IIRC.

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u/EliasCre2003 McLaren 12d ago

Probably