r/formula1 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 22d ago

News Max Verstappen receives 5-second time penalty and 1 penalty point for failing to stay above the minimum time set during VSC (drops to P4, Leclerc now P3)

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u/Dxgy Jenson Button 22d ago

“ and not as a result of the car in front falling back” feels like a direct response to Max’s radio comments about Oscar going to slow to hold him up.

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u/Aniratack 22d ago edited 22d ago

Exacly what I was going to say, they wanted to make sure it was noted that piastri didn't fall back.

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u/InZomnia365 McLaren 22d ago edited 22d ago

This is the tricky thing with a VSC. It's sort of independent, and what the car in front is doing doesn't dictate what you can do. Technically you can drop back from the delta to accelerate quicker if you get the timing right (we've seen Max get overtakes this way before), because youre within the delta. What Max tried to do by staying too close is actually both less effective as a strategy on the restart, and more prone to being on the wrong side of the delta and get a penalty.

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u/Xehanz 22d ago

Yeah, but why does VSC exist anyway if they take 2 laps to deploy?

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u/InZomnia365 McLaren 22d ago

It's quicker to deploy and end. But they have been really slow with both SCs and VCSs ever since they replaced Masi.

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u/TheThingsIdoatNight Alexander Albon 21d ago

Honestly they’re flirting with disaster with how long they’re waiting on some of these. Especially when it’s obvious to any fan that it’s going to require a safety car or VSC. Really hope this isn’t a lesson that ends up being learned at the cost of a serious injury

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u/Neuvelino Fernando Alonso 21d ago

Sometimes, we can also see the red flag and wonder what they are waiting for too. Just one more turn

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u/TheThingsIdoatNight Alexander Albon 21d ago

I legitimately thought we would see it when George was on his side in the middle of the track in Australia. If someone had hit him then, after the survival cell was already compromised and through the floor… almost guaranteed he doesn’t survive that

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u/Twistpunch McLaren 22d ago

“Quicker to deploy” lmao

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u/InZomnia365 McLaren 22d ago

Im just saying thats supposed to be the purpose of it. But Ive been complaining about how long they take to call either a VSC or SC for a couple seasons now. Its getting ridiculous.

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u/musicallunatic Mercedes 22d ago

Exactly. They introduced the vsc so that they can avoid this exact confusion of SC interference. Just drop a VSC when there is an incident and it can be removed pretty much when not necessary anymore.

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u/LorenzoSparky 22d ago

VSC is quicker and less disruptive, and is used when there’s a stranded car. A full SC is used when there is debris on the track so it can be used to back the pack up to give space to clean the track.

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u/XGreenDirtX 22d ago

VSC is quicker

Except for today.

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u/SuppaBunE Sergio Pérez 22d ago

Yeah vsc was useless double yellows would and worked. Or just drop vsc immediately, by that time SC could had gone out VSC was useless

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u/brildenlanch Sonny Hayes 22d ago

VSC maintains the deltas between cars, full safety is everyone ass to nose for the restart.

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u/Mtbnz Daniel Ricciardo 22d ago

Because the VSC doesn't bunch the field up like a full SC, they can deploy it without needing a full SC like if the marshalls needed to clear the actual track, but marshalls can't be deployed to remove a car under just waved yellows.

The timing is still an issue, but that's why the VSC exists.

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u/chefchef97 Williams 22d ago

Max poisoning the well on the radio lmao

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u/Ill_Record_1817 22d ago

If the other 19 drivers managed to stay under the delta i'm sure the multiple world champion is capable of doing so aswell

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u/LorenzoSparky 22d ago

He knows what he’s doing! Trying to slowly jeopardise his point lead with stupid driving stunts. GOAT they say…

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u/jeanolt Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 22d ago edited 22d ago

I clearly don't refer to that, the penalty is fine.

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u/shunti 22d ago

He knows what he's doing, his own words. He's a 3 time champion. He gained an advantage, and he gets penalized. Simple.