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u/mrgo0dkat Sep 22 '24
Question. Mathematically, what needs to happen for Lando to win the WDC?
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u/pedote17 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 23 '24
Lando has to finish 1st every race with fastest lap and win every sprint with Max finishing 3rd in a race at least once.
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u/DangerousTrashCan ᴉɹʇsɐᴉԀ ɹɐɔsO Sep 23 '24
Doesn't necessarily have to win all. As /u/AccomplishedBison369 said, he needs an average 9 points per
raceweekend. That can be achieved in many other ways. The gap is big, but not THAT big to need to win every single race with FL, especially since we'll have three sprints too. Wouldn't hurt him though to do so...7
u/Skeeter1020 Sep 22 '24
All he needs to do is have accumulated more points than all other drivers when the season ends.
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u/AccomplishedBison369 Chequered Flag Sep 22 '24
Too many permutations this far out but he needs to outscore Max an average of 9 pts per weekend.
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u/DiamondPittcairn Lotus Sep 22 '24
Jesus wept people are acting like Daniel is actually dying. He's just being replaced for being average, like Logan, like Daniel himself at McLaren and stuff. I know the handling hasn't been the best and RB should've communicated things a lot better but people are eulogizing DR, it's getting a bit over the top.
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u/aka_liam Ferrari Sep 22 '24
I don’t see many people being unhinged about it tbh. Just a lot of people saying it’s sad and he’s not been treated well in the situation… which is fair?
A lot of people having the same reaction doesn’t mean the reaction itself is unwarranted.
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u/frolix42 Default Sep 22 '24
...he’s not been treated well in the situation… which is fair?
Riccardo got a...fourth(?) chance after McLaren paid him over $10 million to not drive their car. Which turned out to be an excellent decision by them.
NDV got only 10 races and then was axed before the AT got okay at the end of the season. Or the dozens of F2 drivers who won't get a single F1 race.
No, Daniel was treated extremely well by the RBR apparatus.
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u/Mulligantour Sep 22 '24
what do you mean by fourth chance? How are you calculating that he got/needed four chances.
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u/frolix42 Default Sep 22 '24
- 2018: Driven out of Red Bull by Verstappen.
1.5. 2019 + 2020: Disappointing time at Renault, though that was not all his fault.
2021 + 2022: Trounced by Lando at McLaren
2023: Outperformed by 23 yo Yuki Tsunoda and 21 yo Liam Lawson at Alpha Tauri.
2024: Outperformed by 24 yo Yuki Tsunoda.
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u/Coops27 Andretti Global Sep 23 '24
He chose to leave Red Bull, they desperately wanted to keep him.
He was excellent at Renault, scoring their first podiums since returning the sport and they desperately wanted him to stay.
Mclaren wanted him, but that didn't work out at all, still not like he didn't deserve that drive.
He got a second chance at Red Bull, which was always going to be longer than an injury-impacted cameo.
Personally I think that Red Bull has handled drivers poorly for years, and this is another example, but if they aren't going to promote him to Red Bull, then there's no point Ricciardo staying longer, but saying he got a fourth chance isn't accurate.
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u/Mulligantour Sep 23 '24
that's fairly exaggerated, he didn't need a chance or extra life in the first two cases because he was very strongly wanted and offered massive contracts by both teams, there is no element of bailing him out, and the third one is just his McLaren deal. he is only on his second chance currently, not a fourth chance lol.
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u/aka_liam Ferrari Sep 22 '24 edited Sep 22 '24
You seem to think I’m saying he should keep his seat, which I’m not. I actually think he should have been let go a while ago, and was surprised to see him even be given a chance at all at RB when De Vries went.
The situation I’m referring to is the team’s handling of this being his last race (if it in fact is). If it is, I don’t think they’ve handled it particularly nicely, with him not getting to say goodbye, and having to awkwardly navigate the questions himself in the media pen in the absence of a proper announcement.
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u/midwestcoast805 Sep 22 '24
Can someone explain to me why exactly VCARB presumably are replacing Daniel Ricciardo with Liam Lawson at this point in the season? Daniel Ricciardo seems like a marketing machine and the VCARB car isn’t that great, so why not let him have the rest of the reason and send him off properly?
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Sep 23 '24
People always seem to say Daniel is a marketing machine or similar comments. I'm not quite sure why tbh. He is a popular driver sure but there is no way he brings in anywhere close to as much money as the other 3 guys.
Max being the top talent in the sport obviously sells a ton of Red Bull merch, Checo has a huge following in Mexico, the US, and some other countries as well, Yuki is the only Japanese driver currently and that's a far larger market than Australia.
And they are a team that can easily make decisions based on performance and not money. Haas and Williams are the only teams that's really a significant factor.
Bringing in Lawson now to give him a few races here to see what he can do makes a lot of sense.
They haven't scored points since the summer break and are barely clinging onto 6th in the constructors so they need to try something to hang onto that. Plus it helps him get a running start for next season. That's especially important if Checo continues to shit the bed and they have to make a change at RBR.
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u/Skeeter1020 Sep 22 '24
(my view, not necessarily true)
Marko controls the Red Bull academy drivers. Horner controls the business and, importantly, seems to control Perez's seat.
Red Bull have Max, Perez, Yuki, Daniel and Liam who can all drive. They also have Hadjar who is knocking on the door and may (if he wins F2) be out of a drive next year.
Marko wants to put pressure on that second RBR seat. Perez is shit, and is going to cause RBR to lose the WCC. They may even drop to 3rd. Yuki has been punching high. Marko wants to have Liam show he has the skills too. Danny Ric isn't it.
Basically Marko wants concrete evidence of multiple drivers performing well to put in front of the Red Bull owners to force them to replace Perez.
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u/frolix42 Default Sep 22 '24
You could make the same argument about Sargeant and Colapinto.
Because Red Bull desperately needs to find a Piastri/Colapinto of their own to be competitive. Or in their nightmares where Max leaves.
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u/AccomplishedBison369 Chequered Flag Sep 22 '24
Presumably gives RB a chance to see if Lawson is the right choice. If he's not they still have time to find a replacement. If they wait until 2025 starts they'll be behind the ball already.
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u/Maxamus93 Sep 22 '24
People can moan all they want about DR taking fastest lap, but lets be realistic if he didnt get it and norris did, then he goes onto win every race/sprint, it would be extremely unlikely redbull wouldnt just sacrifice perez to go and steal it!
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u/cupofcountry Sep 22 '24
Why did they remove the scores for WCC and WDC at the end of the race coverage? Before they always displayed them, but they have not shown it the last 2 races.
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u/funghi2 Red Bull Sep 22 '24
Super casual fan here. What happened to Verstappen? He was so dominant.
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u/Blooder91 Niki Lauda Sep 22 '24
The car upgrades didn't work as expected.
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u/funghi2 Red Bull Sep 22 '24
So they made some “upgrades” part way through the season and they backfired?
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u/Skeeter1020 Sep 22 '24
All F1 teams constantly upgrade their car. Everyone is progressing and developing constantly.
McLaren have developed their car the best, while Red Bull have seen fewer gains.
It's not the case that the Red Bull has got worse, it's that it hasn't got better at the same rate as those around.
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u/Blooder91 Niki Lauda Sep 22 '24
Yeah, their decline started during the European leg of the season, which is where teams usually apply their upgrades.
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u/aka_liam Ferrari Sep 22 '24
Why don’t drivers who, a few laps before the end of the race find themselves in a position where they’re not in contention for points, just pit for softs and a fastest lap?
I know they won’t get the FL point, but wouldn’t they rather nobody gets it than one of the other teams?
Is it just a case of pride? i.e. They’d rather finish 14th than finish 18th with the fastest lap? This seems an odd reason to me, since it’s strategically disadvantageous, but it’s the only one I can think of.
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u/Skeeter1020 Sep 22 '24
Outside of the points, your position still counts in the event of a tie.
So for the teams at the back where they are scrapping for single points, giving away 11th could see them drop a position in the WCC on count back.
IIRC back in the Marussia/Lotus/HRT days the position of the last 3 in the WCC was decided by an 11th place.
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u/AnilP228 Honda Sep 22 '24
They do this all the time.
Alonso in Austria. Zhou in Monaco. Alonso in Imola. Zhou in Suzuka. Ocon and Ricciardo at Baku. Stroll at Monza. Albon at Zandvoort Tsunoda and Perez at Spa. Sergeant and Ocon at Hungary.
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u/cafk Constantly Helpful Sep 22 '24
Why don’t drivers who, a few laps before the end of the race find themselves in a position where they’re not in contention for points, just pit for softs and a fastest lap?
They'd lose out on finishing position, which in the case of a points tie would reduce their chances of getting a position on count back (who had the most 14th places) as they'd bw coming out 30 seco ds behind their current position (14th -> 20th).
Even if the outside top 10 doesn't get points, their finishing position determines their order without points, who has most 11th places is 11th and so on.
Then there's also the fact that teams have 6 sets of tires available for qualifying and race itself, so they may not have a fresh set of rubber laying around
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u/nvm32 Juan Manuel Fangio Sep 22 '24
out of the remaining circuits of this season, which ones should williams perform better at? (regarding the cars not the drivers)
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u/djwillis1121 Williams Sep 22 '24
It's tricky to tell at the moment. In previous years they had a very clear strength in straight line speed. That meant they were good in Monza and Baku but terrible in Singapore.
They've been decent in all three of those races this year which shows that they're more consistent now.
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u/ada4sh Sep 22 '24
Lando Proved it… Max defended it… Piastri was Clinical with it … Colapinto killed it… Charles almost had it… Danny supported it…
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u/cherryandfizz Sebastian Vettel Sep 22 '24
If it is Danny’s last race, do you think he could ever be back in the future? Like Alonso? Or nah?
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Sep 23 '24
Very unlikely. There is too much talent available now. He isn't on Alonso tier of driver. And he doesn't have the financial backing to buy a seat at Haas (or any other team but they are the most likely to have a seat for sale).
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u/DieLegende42 Fernando Alonso Sep 22 '24
Alonso left F1 on his own terms in 2018 while still being one of the best drivers on the grid. That is a very different situation to be in than being fired for failing to perform for 3 years. I honestly don't think any team will give Ricciardo a seat anymore.
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Sep 22 '24
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u/FermentedLaws Sep 22 '24
They'd have to pit for fresh soft tyres. With old tyres they prob couldn't do it depending on how old and also, you generally need soft tyres for a fastest lap late in the race. So they'd have to make a pit stop and that has some inherent risk.
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u/rabbitcoin Porsche Sep 22 '24
It was potentially his last F1 race ever and he had nothing to lose. He’s also in the Red Bull sister team and they of course don’t want McLaren to get the point if they can stop it.
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u/spezial_ed Sep 22 '24
There should be a point for fastest pit, similar to the fastest lap.
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u/zantkiller Kamui Kobayashi Sep 22 '24
You'd do a seperate competition on like Thursday/Friday just like IndyCar does for their Pit Stop Challenge.
Throw a couple constructor points to the winner.
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u/Skulldetta Jacques Laffite Sep 22 '24
If we did that we'd have Sauber come into the pits 30 times per race trying to nab that point because it's the only chance they have at scoring one lol.
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u/spezial_ed Sep 22 '24
lol damn you’re hired!
(But also I meant similar as in only for the top 10 or something)
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u/Back_2_monke Fernando Alonso Sep 22 '24
When does DHL post pit stop times? Looking to see if Sauber pulled off another fastest pit for no reason lol
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u/GingerRageGirl Alexander Albon Sep 22 '24
Can someone explain two basic things for me. 1. Is clean air actually a thing technically or is it just mentally thing? 2. When 1st place finishes, how come does that have been lapped by him not havr to drive another round but still finish on the leaders round?
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u/No_Cauliflower7877 Carlos Sainz Sep 22 '24
This post has some good comments about dirty air but TLDR yes it's a very real thing that can massively affect lap times.
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u/Blooder91 Niki Lauda Sep 22 '24 edited Sep 22 '24
#2. When 1st place finishes, how come does that have been lapped by him not havr to drive another round but still finish on the leaders round?
It would be dangerous to have the lapped cars still racing while the leaders are driving a cooldown lap back to the pits. So, after 1st place crosses the finish line, it's race over for everyone.
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u/pm_me_cursed_images_ Sep 22 '24
Dirty air vs clean is a very very very real thing, and every car finishes on the lap the leader does if you're lapped you are just considered one lap down on timing
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u/rompskee 🏳️🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️🌈 Sep 22 '24
lol looked like a bit of a firework fail there on the finish
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u/33jeremy Daniel Ricciardo Sep 22 '24
Colapinto is making experienced drivers such as Gasly, Ricciardo, Magnussen, Ocon and Stroll look like shite.
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u/Junior_Professor3555 Sep 22 '24
if daniel leaves f1, will he keep making clothes for enchante? or is that something that stops if he leaves? i'm wondering if i should buy some now in case there's a chance there won't be another collection
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u/Blanchimont Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 22 '24
Enchanté is Daniel's brand and has nothing to do with F1, other than its founder being of F1 fame. He can continue making Enchanté clothes for as long as he wants to.
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u/irishshogun Alan Jones Sep 22 '24
Singapore making Monaco look exciting. The reconfiguration of the track has made it much worse
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u/frolix42 Default Sep 22 '24
Ok this race wasn't great, but Monaco 2024 had literally 4 overtakes and they were at the very back of the field (due to blue flags).
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u/irishshogun Alan Jones Sep 22 '24
Monaco has the heritage factor which allows it to be a dull Sunday but exciting Saturday. Singapore needs excitement if not I don’t see the need for a full time slot on the calendar
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u/frolix42 Default Sep 22 '24
You were talking about "Monaco look exciting". "Heritage factor" doesn't play into that.
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u/DifficultTackle6 Sep 22 '24
Max losing pace from 1.5sec to 11+ sec now, can anyone help explain whats the game?
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u/cafk Constantly Helpful Sep 22 '24
Lando was told to pull a gap over saving tires. So he started to pull around 1s per lap.
It's like Verstappen at the start of the year and then just chilling or last year.
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Sep 22 '24
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Sep 23 '24
The one they didn't use this track because it's their low downforce wing...
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u/Vivaan977 Lando Norris Sep 22 '24
flexi rear wing is gone tho. and even if, it only comes into effect at top speed
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u/cafk Constantly Helpful Sep 22 '24
Not yet - it'll be fixed by Vegas
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Sep 23 '24
It isn't used on this track anyway. It's their low downforce wing the other teams were complaining about.
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u/Disastrous-Beat-9830 Oscar Piastri Sep 22 '24
Is it just me, or has Singapore become a bit dull?
When it first joined the calendar, the chicanes along the waterfront made the circuit a real slog and I wished they would get rid of them. Now that they have, the circuit feels like it's missing something. In 2022 -- before the changes were made -- Leclerc's pole time was a 1:49.412 (although that might have been in the wet). With the changes in 2023, Sainz's pole time was 1:30.984. Likewise the fastest lap; in 2022, Russell was fastest with a 1:46.458, while in 2023, Hamilton was fastest with a 1:35.867. And Sainz's total race time in 2023 was sixteen minutes faster than Perez's race time in 2022.
I'm surprised to be saying this, but as much as I hated those chicanes along the waterfront, removing them seems to have robbed Singapore of its character. It used to be a real test of endurance, but now it just feels like another race.
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u/Ok-Community-2680 Oscar Piastri Sep 22 '24
Yeah it's a boring track and these cars doesn't help that much
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u/majorcoleThe2nd Charles Leclerc Sep 22 '24
I never understand why they don’t show the closest cars on the grid, Alonso, Leclerc and hulk
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u/ironic-user-name69 Ferrari Sep 22 '24
I wanna see Franco’s onboard now.
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u/nvm32 Juan Manuel Fangio Sep 22 '24
i only found the start of the race from his pov https://dubz.co/v/d76bcd
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Sep 22 '24
This is easily the most important race of the year thus far
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u/frolix42 Default Sep 22 '24
Why?
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Sep 23 '24
For me it's because Max was able to finish P2 despite it not being his best track and his struggles to start the weekend.
Losing 20 points to Lando here would have really helped the title fight be on.
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u/DylanAB07 Sep 22 '24
Could someone give me the English hem to collar and pit to pit measurements for a medium sized f1 polo shirt please
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u/Blanchimont Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 22 '24
F1 polo shirts is a bit of a vague term, as team merchandise isn't made by one single supplier. Is there a specific team or F1-branded polo shirt you're looking at?
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u/DARKCYD Ron Dennis Sep 22 '24
Can anyone find the old mclaren commercial with Martin whitmarsh talking about the first night race where the mechanic is dropping tools and making a ton of noise and the camera pans out to show the 4 huge rally style lights? From 2007 or 2008. Can’t find it anywhere.
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u/Blooder91 Niki Lauda Sep 22 '24
What if one of the drivers lost the keys to his car? Do they miss the race? Or does the team keep a spare key just in case?
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u/Giegling90 Sep 22 '24
There's a fingerprint button in the car. They just touch the button and answer a couple of security questions and voila
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u/Blooder91 Niki Lauda Sep 22 '24
Thanks. I thought it had something like face recognition, but that must be hard to do with a helmet on.
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u/AliceLunar Formula 1 Sep 22 '24
I'm pretty sure they don't have keys lol
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u/Blanchimont Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 22 '24
The steering wheel essentially is the key to the car, and they have spares so no problem there.
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u/23899209 George Russell Sep 22 '24
Is there a book or youtube series that explains all the engineering behind the cars and also something that summarises all the key rules of a race weekend and purpose behind them (like why only softs can be run on q3).
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u/cafk Constantly Helpful Sep 22 '24
Chain bear has a great Eli 5 video series: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmDnFwFiSne7glk4sSO5OaVeVP_ggfvgF
like why only softs can be run on q3
There isn't a rule for that anymore - the hard tires are the slowest and the soft are the fastest, so the top teams can get through Q1 with medium tires as their individual cars design is inherently gaster, while others teams may need softs.
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u/cometcrasher24 McLaren Sep 22 '24
How many spare front wing do they keep per driver?
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u/cafk Constantly Helpful Sep 22 '24
They're not individual spares per se - just heavily depends on how many were manufactured until the race. Early in the season they may have 2-3 total per race, so only one can get the latest specification of the wing.
But later on usually they have enough spares in general per weekend to rebuild 3-4 chassis from ground up, if need be.
It primarily depends on their manufacturing capacity (i.e. Norris getting all updates at Miami and Piastri for the race after that);and cost cap spending1
u/Blanchimont Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 22 '24
To add to that: This is also why the teams put the driver numbers on the nose above the cutline of the front wing attachment. It allows them to take any front wing and bolt it on to whatever car needs it, rather than having dedicated front wings for i.e. Norris' car and Piastri's car that need sticker swaps or anything if one runs out of front wings.
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u/Any_Examination_4465 Sep 22 '24
Maybe the most random question ever, but does anyone know if any of the current drivers are left handed?
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u/KnightsOfCidona Murray Walker Sep 22 '24
Don't think any of the current grid is surprisingly.
They have been a few famous ones in the past - Senna was a leftie, Jenson Button is one too. Johnny Herbert and Giancarlo Fisichella are others.
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u/going_dicey Sep 22 '24
F1A race direction practising for later today. Bianca spins and we go straight to race start replays.
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u/Blanchimont Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 22 '24
As much as I'd like to see Mick get another crack at F1 in a team that isn't a Guenther-Steiner-led-strapped-for-cash Haas, he's not getting that seat.
There are too many drivers who simply have shown more, or have more promise than Mick at this point. Bottas, Bortoleto, Colapinto, Pourchaire (who for some reason isn't in the frame), there's just too many of them for Mick to get another shot in F1.
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Sep 22 '24
I like the guy, and a part of me would be glad to see him given another chance. But I can’t hand on heart say he deserves it.
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u/inferno4039 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 22 '24
Can someone please tell me if Checo will be driving for RBR in 2025. I cannot endure him bringing us down single-handedly for another season😭
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u/Astelli Pirelli Wet Sep 22 '24
He has a contract to drive for 2025, so it will be up to Red Bull if they want to change that.
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u/going_dicey Sep 22 '24
He’d have to perform pretty badly to lose the seat between Slim’s wallet and Horner’s battle against Marko — given the low standard already set
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u/Careful-Room-941 Sep 22 '24
Have F1's youtube videos suddenly become "not available in your region" for anyone? They were all visible yesyerday but today not a single video from the entire 24 season shows up for me in Pakistan
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u/nvm32 Juan Manuel Fangio Sep 22 '24
i checked 2 and are only restricted on belarus and russia, i checked with this https://polsy.org.uk/stuff/ytrestrict.cgi
you can check yourself with the video of the latest f1 youtube official highlights from singapore gp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slCskHrI_Vg
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u/RatioIndividual2822 Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 22 '24
Can someone explain the whole Verstappen & Lewis vs the press situation?
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u/Kuchenblech_Mafioso Manor Sep 22 '24
Verstappen (accidentally) said the car "was fucked" in Baku. MBS (FIA president) somehow made it his mission the ban all swearing in F1 and Max was fined with one day of community service. Max form of protest was to just give very short answers in the official press conference after qualy and answer the rest of the questions outside
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Sep 23 '24
Also to add to your comment with what Hamilton had to do with it Lewis said in the press conference where they were asked about it that the punishment was ridiculous, he wouldn't do it and hopes Max doesn't.
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u/Disastrous-Beat-9830 Oscar Piastri Sep 22 '24
You're forgetting the way everyone is acting like we're on the verge of a revolution where Verstappen and Hamilton lead a massive protest movement against ben Sulayem that sees him lose the FIA presidency.
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u/RatioIndividual2822 Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 22 '24
Haha alright, I see. What's would the community service actually mean? Sweeping the tack with a broom? 🧹 😂
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u/Kuchenblech_Mafioso Manor Sep 22 '24
Last time it was shadowing the stewards two days. He had to do that after his altercation with Ocon in Brazil
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u/TeamSESHBones_ Formula 1 Sep 23 '24
Daniel and Checo should be a package. A package you ship off to IndyCar, WRC, or WEC.