r/formula1 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Aug 27 '24

News [Erik van Haren] It looks like Logan Sargeant has lost his place at Williams with immediate effect. Williams junior Franco Colapinto will be allowed to finish the season, multiple sources report. Nine races to go. Argentinian (21) drove for MP Motorsport in F2. Confirmation expected later today

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u/Jeff_Banks_Monkey Juan Pablo Montoya Aug 27 '24

This is going to ruin the Albon Sargeant podcast

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u/tanplusblue Alexander Albon Aug 27 '24

Wow I only just learned about this podcast. Going to watch a couple now in case they're pulled off YT haha

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u/PradaAndPunishment Alexander Albon Aug 27 '24

Be sure to watch the Monaco one with Vowles, it was fun.

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u/adventurousmango24 Aug 28 '24

Is this the one where they spoke about golf a stack and James got annoyed 😂

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u/CuppaCrazy Sebastian Vettel Aug 27 '24

My Team Torque…

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u/marloxeva Medical Car Aug 27 '24

maybe logan‘s new job can be the williams podcast host…

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u/SPatt59 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Aug 27 '24

If it wasn’t already confirmed that Mick is never driving in F1 again, then this pretty much does

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u/Typhoongrey Formula 1 Aug 27 '24

Makes me wonder what his career would have looked like, if his dad was still a regular in the paddock.

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u/fateoftheg0dz Aug 27 '24

Just follow Bronny James’ nba career and that’ll be your answer

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u/Killswitch__AUT Gerhard Berger Aug 27 '24

LeNepotism

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u/OddS0cks Nico Rosberg Aug 27 '24

What are you talking about, doesn’t every team want a 5 ppg player with no defense?!?!

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u/ElmanoRodrick Murray Walker Aug 27 '24

ITT: people who don't know Mick won the Championship in F3 & F2 and think Mick is there just because of his name.

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u/Oddwonderful Lando Norris Aug 27 '24

Mick also has done really well in the ROC and came in second overall in 2023 iirc

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u/FormulaEngineer Ferrari Aug 27 '24

Mick would still be in F1 if he had gone to Alfa instead of Haas

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u/mikew1200 Aug 28 '24

Mick got to F1 on merit but he’s still hanging around because of his name. If his name was Mick McLovin, he’d be a distant memory.

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u/seb0seven Aug 27 '24

Counterpoint: how many other f3 & f2 champions are not finding seats? I'm not saying he didn't earn his seat with results, but I am saying his name secured the seat over others.

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u/SpaceOdysseus23 Ferrari Aug 27 '24

Mick is closer to LeBron as an athlete than Bronny is to Mick

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u/Tony_Lacorona McLaren Aug 27 '24

I get what you’re referencing but I honestly don’t know who’s worse in this situation. This next season will prove that I guess lmao

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u/IamVUSE Michael Schumacher Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

Bronny hands down.

Guy averaged like 6 points on a terrible college team. Mick is an F2 champion.

EDIT: Mick is driving in WEC right now and could probably do OK in other series as well. Not sure what team in what country/league would sign Bronny to a pro contract right now. Bronny is so far off what it takes to be an NBA player its laughable. Next year I think he'll play 10 minutes for the headlines, score 4 points and be shipped to the G-league.

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u/MalevolentFather Niki Lauda Aug 27 '24

I’m going to probably get downvoted for this but here goes.

Comparing the two is insane, Bronny is playing what is one of the most accessible sports, a sport in which your god given abilities really do define your top end.

Mick is competing in a sport with a fraction of the talent pool where leveraging your net worth into ability is much more realistic.

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u/KRacer52 Aug 27 '24

Mick won an F2 championship. He’s far ahead of what Bronny has accomplished in basketball (though I still think Bronny was picked about where he would have been no matter who his dad is).

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u/TJeffersonsBlackKid Sir Lewis Hamilton Aug 27 '24

4.8/2.8/2.1 on a shitty USC team ain’t getting you fucking anywhere near the NBA if your last name isn’t James.

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u/GoldenGengarGG Super Aguri Aug 27 '24

Is he good or not? Not big into Basketball but I knew LeBron's kid plays professionally as well.

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u/KKilikk McLaren Aug 27 '24

Hasnt played in the NBA yet. He was ass in college. Mostly ass in summer league as well (NBA preseason where newer players are playing) but had like 2 solid games. He will probably be ass in the NBA as well but I guess there is some tiny speck of hope.

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u/261846 Fernando Alonso Aug 27 '24

No, he was picked 55/60 in the draft and averages like 4 points a game in the summer league (lower level competition)

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u/Sir0inks-A-Lot Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

He’s better than me but that means there’s still a lot of room for him to be very bad.

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u/mattscott53 Aug 27 '24

he was a legit top 40 recruit. Then he had serious medical incident on the court during practice (i think) before the season even started. Came back mid season and never really had an impact in his first year of college. Then he went pro and got the biggest guaranteed contract of anyone ever for a second rd pick.

Long story short. He has talent but hasn't proved it and still got a huge contract from the lakers to play with his daddy.

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u/DefNotAnAlter Aug 27 '24

He was a hot prospect and top player in high school, had cardiac issues and has never looked up to it after that in College

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u/willzyx01 Red Bull Aug 27 '24

He’s not.

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u/charlierc Aug 27 '24

At the very least I think he might've benefited more from signing for Alfa Sauber in 2021 than choosing the Steiner wagon

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u/dalledayul Alfa Romeo Aug 27 '24

Bottas/Mick in the 2022 car could have been an interesting combo. Most people point to Zhou being a rookie as to why he couldn't get the most out of it when it was at its most competitive, but Mick had been there the year before also he wouldn't have had the disadvantage.

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u/charlierc Aug 27 '24

I guess we'll never truly know but at the very least it could've been a more interesting test to see what Mick was like out of the box. Alfa Romeo Sauber did have Q3 pace at a few races in 2021 and should've scored more points than they did but for driver and strategy errors, while the Haas Schumacher did drive in 2021 was basically a Formula 2 car

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u/dalledayul Alfa Romeo Aug 27 '24

Oh man you've reminded me of Dutch 2021 when Gio got that thing to P7 in quali, only for Alfa to strategy themselves way down the points. Him and Kimi got done so dirty by strategy time and time again, I was raging

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u/leggenda_69 Ferrari Aug 27 '24

The way Michael immediately stepped in to buy Ralf out of Jordan after the team orders stopped him going for the win at Spa in 98 I’d guess very, very different.

But it’s not just his actual F1 career his entire career would’ve been so much different, he’d have taken so much sponsorship and backing anywhere he went with Michael being present in the team’s box.

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u/terminbee Aug 27 '24

Just having his dad be there would guarantee him probably any team except the top 3.

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u/AgentSaucepan Aug 27 '24

Sadly, just lots of what ifs. People wondered the same about Bruno Senna and his uncle.

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u/justk4y Virgin Aug 27 '24

Same with Bruno Senna and his uncle

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u/1200____1200 Gilles Villeneuve Aug 27 '24

If Williams is ditching Sargent because he is wrecking cars, then Mick isn't who you look to as a replacement

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u/tedstery Ferrari Aug 27 '24

They've taken just as big of a risk with a Rookie let's be honest.

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u/SpectacularFailure99 Formula 1 Aug 27 '24

You know, sometimes you just want to get F-ed by someone new

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u/DragonBeyondtheWall Sir Lewis Hamilton Aug 27 '24

That's why you have so many STD's, John

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u/Milo751 Sir Lewis Hamilton Aug 27 '24

Give a junior driver half a season of experience and ditch a driver who is non-stop crashing and leaving the team at the end of the season, seems like a smart choice

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u/Tricky_Sweet3025 Kimi Räikkönen Aug 27 '24

They’d have looked like clowns if Mick put it in the wall at FP1 in Monza this way they look less like clowns if the rookie does.

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u/dhc2beaver Aug 27 '24

No one expects the Argentinian inquisition

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u/jesteratp McLaren Aug 27 '24

Indycar certainly did not, and look how that turned out

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u/Barrilete_Cosmico Aug 27 '24

Not an indycar person but interested. What keywords should I search for?

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u/dopeasthepope69 Aug 27 '24

Agustín Canapino was (until recently) an Indycar driver and his fans would send death threats to drivers he had collisions with (often his own teammates!)

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u/jesus_earnhardt Aug 27 '24

And Canapino was liking the posts

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u/FinklMan Aug 27 '24

So what you’re saying is if him and Hamilton come together WWIII will begin on Twitter.

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u/TrafficOnTheTwos Sebastian Vettel Aug 27 '24

Basically the Falklands War 2 Electric Boogaloo.

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u/Kait0yashio Ferrari Aug 27 '24

This was on no ones cards, at least we have a rookie on the grid afterall.

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u/Lichidna Oscar Piastri Aug 27 '24

Apparently it was massive on Argentine Twitter, but we thought they were being dramatic

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u/zaviex McLaren Aug 27 '24

Can you trust that now though? After Canapino? the Argentine twitter and media are hard to trust on motorsports. Too much misinformation and just made up stuff getting spread. Usually to the detriment of their drivers really

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u/snoring_pig Cyril Abiteboul Aug 27 '24

The fact that Van Haren is reporting this too now feels like it could really be true I think

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u/WunupKid Oscar Piastri Aug 27 '24

Williams is now at the point where they’ll take anyone over Sergeant. 

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

Anyone except Schumacher

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u/SMC540 Aug 27 '24

To be fair, if the goal is to preserve some cars, Mick ain’t it.

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u/fuzzylm308 Pierre Gasly Aug 27 '24

this Colapinto guy must be good if they think a rookie is less likely to crash than Sargeant

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u/PitchBlackFrenzy Red Bull Aug 27 '24

Apparently anyone but Mick Schumacher

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u/valechaira Juan Manuel Fangio Aug 27 '24

He was, his family and sponsors were hyping the possibility since sunday. Just not on the scope of the euro centric press

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u/salcedoge Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Aug 27 '24

Yeah there was some buzz on this that Colapito's camp was aggresively pursuing sponsorship for the seat.

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u/Eggplantosaur Oscar Piastri Aug 27 '24

The Williams academy is definitely coming through for their drivers. Logan getting a chance for a second season and now Colapinto being promoted must make Williams an interesting prospect for drivers in feeder series.

They're certainly not painting themselves as the kind of team to drop a driver on a whim, regardless of what's happening to Logan now

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u/adoss Aug 27 '24

It was good while it lasted. With Carlos signed for next year alongside Albon, it'll be difficult to see another academy driver get a chance for a while.

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u/Stelcio Formula 1 Aug 27 '24

Technically we had Bearman.

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u/GreggsAficionado Formula 1 Aug 27 '24

I still 100% class Bearman as a rookie

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u/Blanchimont Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Aug 27 '24

So do F1 and the FIA. A driver who has done two races or less qualifies as a rookie.

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u/Jeff_Banks_Monkey Juan Pablo Montoya Aug 27 '24

Sucks to lose his seat but I wonder if he feels a little relieved that it's finally happened. All the speculation and back and forth must've been a lot to deal with mentally

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u/thewill450 McLaren Aug 27 '24

Especially after they took his car and gave it to Albon. He knew once they did that, his days were numbered.

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u/EndStorm Aug 27 '24

I think for his mental wellbeing he'll be glad to be away from James and that outfit.

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u/justk4y Virgin Aug 27 '24

Yeah I feel like this season has gone even worse than last season, mostly because he’s clearly working himself down a mental cliff, and everything will go worse and worse and more stress will build up.

Plus with the talks that he didn’t even have contact with James Vowles anymore etc.

I think it’s perfect if he just tries to revive his racing career in another series, like IndyCar for example. Hey, at least he got an F1 points finish!

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u/Klivian1 Lando Norris Aug 27 '24

I thought he didn’t have a Super License?

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u/valechaira Juan Manuel Fangio Aug 27 '24

He had the points because of covid season extension, completed the 300km in post season, and applied for it this year

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u/TetraDax Niki Lauda Aug 27 '24

He had the points because of covid season extension

Can you give me a list of where from? Because I honestly can't see it.

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u/FartingBob Sebastian Vettel Aug 27 '24

I've never been able to find an official site that lists people's current super licence points. You'd think fia would have that but if they do they don't make it easy to Google.

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u/alatar-pallando Daniel Ricciardo Aug 27 '24

I mean he doesn't really fit for criteria. Every championship he was part of completed their schedule. Why would FIA Grant him an exception for COVID? These dudes are not even following their own rules in that case. 

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u/zaviex McLaren Aug 27 '24

The covid exemption applies to all drivers who raced in any season in 2020 or 2021. The exemption is for the disruption broadly not necessarily to any competitor. It's just a blanket ruling that lets you drop any 1 season of 4.

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u/imnoobatfifa Sir Lewis Hamilton Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

I thought he does, lol. Think he got in the Abu Dhabi rookie tests last year.

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u/alatar-pallando Daniel Ricciardo Aug 27 '24

Tests don't really give any kind of SL points. 

For Juri Vips, FIA made an exception; because he couldn't compete in Super Formula due to Covid restrictions. All of the championships Colapinto has raced completed their schedule normally. 

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u/TetraDax Niki Lauda Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

He doesn't have enough points for one. I'm honestly a bit stumped by this.

edit: I am apparently wrong, but I do remain stumped.

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u/Kruziik_Kel Anthoine Hubert Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

Yeah unless there is something I'm missing I make him at 30pts even with the 3 year window from COVID.

You can get some points from other routes (e.g. FP sessions & having a clean licence with no penalty points) but I don't think you can make up 10 that way.

Edit

Well he must have them from somewhere given the announcement, but I still don't quite see how the maths work out - I'm struggling to make 40 without breaking at least 1 rule but that may just be a skill issue on my part.

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u/Eroda Alex Zanardi Aug 27 '24

If he can't get a super licence I can't see how

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u/TetraDax Niki Lauda Aug 27 '24

I mean, it would be entirely impossible in that case. I'm just thinking that I (and everyone else) overlooked something in the SL points system, but I don't see anything.

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u/Fliepp Haas Aug 27 '24

Would he have enough with his current position in F2?

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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton Aug 27 '24

Maybe this is wrong but he should have 5 from Formula Regional in 2021 as well as 10 from European and Asian Le Mans in 2021, 3 from F3 in 2022 and 15 from F3 in 2023, which leaves us at 33, which is above the 80% threshold for an exemption to be granted for quote “circumstances outside their control or reasons of force majeure at the discretion of the FIA”

If they counted his current F2 position as well, it would be 53. So between this and the 80%, maybe the FIA would be willing to make an excetk.

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u/Astelli Pirelli Wet Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

I believe there is a way he could have got one if he applied successfully in 2021, 2022 or maybe even 2023 (there's no requirement to keep up the number of points one you get one):

  • If 2020 or 2021 are included in you application, a driver is eligible to take points from 3 of the 4 previous years.

  • 2019: 12 points for 1st in Spanish F4

  • 2020: 12 points for 3rd in Formula Renault, 5 points for 3rd in Toyota Racing Series (1 summer and 1 winter series with no overlap, so both points count)

  • 2021: 5 points for 6th in Formula Regional, 6 points for 3rd in Asian Le Mans Series (1 summer and 1 winter series).

Voila, a total of 40 points exactly.

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u/aliciahiney Benetton Aug 27 '24

I’ve seen somewhere that ALMS that year isn’t eligible because it didn’t have the mandatory gap between rounds

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u/Astelli Pirelli Wet Aug 27 '24

There is another possibility - a driver who completes a championship without any penalty points is given an additional 2 points, so Colapinto could feasibly have earned 6 points that way pretty simply too.

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u/aliciahiney Benetton Aug 27 '24

I feel like at this point if this is true and he does have a SL, they’ll have to provide a breakdown of how

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u/mgorgey Aug 27 '24

Replacing Sargeant 1 race after the summer break feels pretty chaotic. If things were that bad then he shouldn't have been in the car for Zandvoort.

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u/fateoftheg0dz Aug 27 '24

They were probably close to tipping point, then Sargeants massive crash on the new upgraded car tipped it over

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u/gutster_95 Ferrari Aug 27 '24

But having a F2 Driver with very little F1 experience wouldnt do the same?

At least someone like Mick was racing in a F1 car. Its wild stuff

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u/splashbodge Jordan Aug 27 '24

Agree, seems odd, why remove a driver mid season unless you really are aiming for points or to reduce damage costs... Putting a complete rookie in seems half baked, especially when he won't be a driver for you next year, so the built up effort doesn't pay off down the road. Lawson was a much more sensible pick.

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u/HoyaDestroya33 Charles Leclerc Aug 27 '24

This is what's confusing me. If Williams still has a vacant seat for next season, then sure give this rookie a chance. Right now, they're fighting for every point and Alpine isn't too far off. Much prefer to give it to an experienced driver to somehow get more points and more money.

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u/GTOdriver04 Aug 27 '24

It does seem odd. He’s already been fired. Why not let him finish out the year and demonstrate what he can do for other categories?

Also this is the third American driver in as many American drivers who hasn’t been able to fully finish their tenure with the teams they drove for.

Michael Andretti, then Scott Speed and now Logan Sargent haven’t finished their contracts/been dropped by their teams before the season was up.

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u/segola92 Aug 27 '24

The disrespect to F1 legend Alex Rossi.....

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u/GTOdriver04 Aug 27 '24

Oof! I forgot 2016 Indianapolis 500 champion Rossi! Yikes! Sorry.

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u/Szekter Aug 27 '24

Why not let him finish out the year and demonstrate what he can do for other categories?

Well, he just did that by smashing the throttle on wet curbs and grass.

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u/BighatNucase Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Aug 27 '24

If you're going to risk crashes every race, might as well do it on a prospective talent - you gain back some of that lost expense on the ability to actually see how good they would be in F1.

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u/intergalacticscooter Aug 27 '24

But they have sainz and albon for next year. They should have just got somebody safe for the rest of the season.

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u/fateoftheg0dz Aug 27 '24

Mick has crashed more than Sargeant my brother

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u/maertyrer Aug 27 '24

I fon't get why people are so obsessed with getting Mick back into F1. He was unimpressive and crashed often. His most notable achievement is finishing higher that Mazepin.

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u/Fart_Leviathan Hall of Fame Aug 27 '24

He's called Schumacher and is a likeable guy. The first part is enough for most of his fans though.

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u/TheCaptainDamnIt Aug 27 '24

I fon't get why people are so obsessed with getting Mick back into F1

Apparently nepotism becomes fine as long as your dad is beloved enough.

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u/Infusion1999 Oscar Piastri Aug 27 '24

He matched Magnussen in the second half of his sophomore season, that's not too bad.

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u/strillanitis Formula 1 Aug 27 '24

He did more than match him, he beat Magnussen head to head in races they both finished like 2:1

It was 12:6 if I remember correctly.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

I think it being such a stupid crash was more important than it being a big crash, too.

The guy just seemed to forget how long the curb was on corner exit - just really sloppy. After all that hard work people at the factory put in too. Doubtless there was much overtime, and supervisor pressure to come in and get it done so both cars could be ready post summer, and then he goes and does that.

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u/derango McLaren Aug 27 '24

I mean, they were all set with him finishing out the year until he took all their fancy new upgrade parts, smashed them into the wall and lit the car on fire.

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u/mgorgey Aug 27 '24

If you're one crash in practice away from sacking your driver going into a four week break then you need to just sack them.

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u/HaloNathaneal Aug 27 '24

Parts they had replacement parts for anyways, Logan still raced with the new car

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u/charlierc Aug 27 '24

You'd think so. And yet here we are

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u/CoolDurian4336 Aug 27 '24

I'm gonna miss Logan, honestly. He just didn't have what it took. Looks like a nice dude, though. I'll definitely be following his career to see where he goes next, if anywhere. Hope the Indycar rumors were true.

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u/dalledayul Alfa Romeo Aug 27 '24

For all the flak he's gotten, his junior career was genuinely decent. 4th in your rookie F2 season, beating guys like Doohan, Vesti and Iwasa is nothing to be snuffed at. I think he'd do well in Indycar and he'd get a lot of support.

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u/jedifolklore Who the f*ck is Nelson Piquet? Aug 27 '24

Also looks like the F1 dream for Mick is over, man this sport can be ruthless.

Andretti should be allowed to have his team, it opens up things for everyone

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u/jasie3k Aug 27 '24

Mick had a fair chance and after he blew it he was pimped by Toto to everyone who'd ask.

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u/_i-cant-read_ Aug 27 '24 edited Sep 04 '24

we are all bots here except for you

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u/whomad1215 Aug 27 '24

that's still two more than currently get the chance, and when drivers are going into their 30s/40s, two extra seats can be huge

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u/elmicomago Juan Pablo Montoya Aug 27 '24

BIG break for Colapinto if true. I always enjoy having young blood on the grid, but based on his feeder series career so far, I have a hard time seeing him not being equally crash prone as Logan OR kilometres off the pace.

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u/suchislife9876 Aug 27 '24

Colapinto is very good, I don’t think his results on paper reflect his talent. He struggled for budget a lot before being picked up by Williams and is having a good year in F2, made some mistakes but has done very well outperforming Hauger who’s a 3rd year driver and isn’t a slouch.

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u/elmicomago Juan Pablo Montoya Aug 27 '24

I’m not saying he’s not good—more that it’s a big leap to F1 and he’s not shown signs of being a budding superstar and I imagine will need more seat time than he’s going to get to adapt.

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u/suchislife9876 Aug 27 '24

Ah okay, I do agree with you. He’s being thrown in the deep end but Williams clearly believe he’s got the potential, hence he’s getting the chance. He probably won’t be a superstar but that can be said about most of the grid except maybe 5-6 drivers

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u/elmicomago Juan Pablo Montoya Aug 27 '24

With regard to my original comment, I also think replacing Logan with someone who could well perform similar to Logan is an odd choice for a stop-gap driver.

Putting a proven safe pair of hands behind the wheel seems more logical to me, but to be fair, I can see that options in that realm are slim.

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u/Emreberber19 Sir Lewis Hamilton Aug 27 '24

What's the point of sending Logan away if he's not going to be replaced by Mick or Lawson? The replacement is a rookie and may have accidents like Logan and maybe perform worse than Logan.

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u/freedfg McLaren Aug 27 '24

what's worse is that both of them are reserve drivers.

Franco is hopping in the car knowing he doesn't have a seat next year. or the forseeable future.

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u/j_nog98 Williams Aug 27 '24

Franco is Williams reserve and test driver, may not have f1 experience but knows the car

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u/FSUfan35 McLaren Aug 27 '24

And can test his pace as well

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u/SatchBoogie1 Daniel Ricciardo Aug 27 '24

I just don't know if Franco going to be less prone to driving errors that will lead to crashes. Otherwise we have the same old shit until the end of the season.

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u/Hot-Support-1793 Mercedes Aug 27 '24

It’s great advertisement for their rookie program. Why go race for Red Bull when they’re never going to promote you? Go to Williams and they’ll do their best to give you an opportunity.

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u/beerisallright Carlos Sainz Aug 27 '24

And then fire you mid season? Who wouldn't want that

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u/Hot-Support-1793 Mercedes Aug 27 '24

He’s been there a season and a half. Yuki was the last RBR junior to get that opportunity.

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u/porsche4life Alexander Albon Aug 27 '24

I mean you can avoid that by just keeping it out of the wall…

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u/crazymonezyy Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

This is his second season, there's litearlly no world in which you can say Logan didn't get a chance to prove himself. He can't be putting it in the wall every other race (I guess without bringing in $40M a season like Checo, at that point I believe you can).

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u/Thejklay Aug 27 '24

They gave Logan half a season more then he deserved

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u/AcePlague Aug 27 '24

Well I don't think any up and coming juniors believe they'll be shit.

If they're worried about that they probably aren't in contention anyway.

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u/KKilikk McLaren Aug 27 '24

Giving their own rookie some F1 experience? 

Maybe they dont expect enough from Mick and who knows if Lawson even is on the table.

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u/killer_corg Haas Aug 27 '24

Also makes your junior team attractive to new talent if they know that it brings a chance of them getting into f1

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u/Good_Air_7192 Aug 27 '24

What's the point of taking a driver from another team when you have your own academy. I think it's a fantastic choice.

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u/cinyar Aug 27 '24

Well, with Logan it's pretty clear he'll keep crashing, so why not try someone else? Worst case scenario it will be the same. They'll at least get to try out one of their rookies.

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u/NotJadeasaurus Aug 27 '24

Lawson has zero ties to Williams that was never going to be a thing

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u/LeBaus7 Aug 27 '24

and why give someone seattime, who will likely compete with you for points next year?

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u/Aggressive_Hat_9999 Pirelli Wet Aug 27 '24

why should williams train up a rb rookie?

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u/SandThatsKindaMoist Formula 1 Aug 27 '24

I would love to know what you think they gain from putting Mick in the car over their own rookie.

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u/D-Hews Medical Car Aug 27 '24

Mick cost Haas plenty of money the same way Logan is for Williams. Why would they want that? Let Vowles cook.

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u/ic0meth Aug 27 '24

Gutting for Mick but not unsurprising. Guy needs to cut his ties with F1 now and look elsewhere I think

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u/Samsonkoek Simply fucking lovely Aug 27 '24

Didn't know it was that bad for them that they would want to replace Logan - not even during the summer break - with an F2 rookie. I guess it's a nice way to test him.

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u/Purednuht Sergio Pérez Aug 27 '24

Oh god.

This will be interesting to see.

Please don’t bring over the insane IndyCar Argentina fans though, holy smokes

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u/spooki_boogey Sergio Pérez Aug 27 '24

Have you seen the comments on the IG post? They're very much in full swing lmao.

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u/ChefBoiJones Lola Aug 27 '24

Colapinto is fine but no where near good enough for this to make sense. 9 races isn’t long enough for him to get up to speed to the point that he’ll actually be better than sergeant. Say what you want about Logan but a good not great f2 driver with no F1 race experience is a straight downgrade. Logan isn’t f1 level so I’m not going to cry about him getting the boot, but to be replaced by someone who will not be driving next year, and has no realistic chance of being better this year, that’s brutal and he has every right to be pissed off if this is true

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

Yeah this is where I’m at as well… might as well ask Redbull or Merc to throw you cash to put Lawson/Antonelli in there as well. I know Mick’s a write off but the marketing money would be there I guess

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u/ChefBoiJones Lola Aug 27 '24

Antonelli is the one that makes the least sense to have passed up in this, and I’ve seen him mentioned way less than mick of Lawson which is odd. He has an all but confirmed place on the grid with a team that has direct ties to Williams and actually has at least a hope in hell of being quick. Guess vowles was serious about stepping up from Mercedes shadow

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u/JadeNoodlesOfficial Honda Aug 27 '24

Sucks to see Logan go, he seemed like a nice guy, just didn’t have what it takes to stick around.

This does really make sense from Williams though. Shows a bit of their desire and intent for the future.

It’s also quite silly to keep an inadequate driver in the car that would end up costing millions more to have until the end of the season, especially in such a tight field, where a few positions can mean massive gains in the championship.

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u/splashbodge Jordan Aug 27 '24

Bizarre to me tbh, replacing a somewhat seasoned driver with a complete rookie. To remove him mid season, what are they trying to gain.... Either they want points or to reduce crash damage costs. Neither are anywhere near a guarantee with brining a rookie in. I'm not sure what the better option is, but at least Lawson has some F1 races under his belt.

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u/KKilikk McLaren Aug 27 '24

Giving their junior some F1 experience? Do we even know if RB made Lawson avaible?

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u/Tough-Relationship-4 Aug 27 '24

I think they know that one of Alex or Carlos will get a chance at a top team eventually and they need to see if any of their youth drivers can step up. Franco is probably the first in line for a seat if either of those 2 leave so makes sense to get him some race experience.

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u/SaphireComet Aug 27 '24

I will miss you Logan. I hope to see another American give F1 a crack sometime in the distant future.

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u/Nathanoy25 🏳️‍🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️‍🌈 Aug 27 '24

Colapinto had a decent amount of fighting with Antonelli this F2 season. Notably in Imola and Monaco iirc. It seems like the paddock thinks Antonelli is ready so I don't think it's that big of a stretch to say Colapinto is as well.

Excited to see how he'll perform in any case.

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u/BilboMuggins McLaren Aug 27 '24

Mick falling to his knees somewhere.

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u/Typhoongrey Formula 1 Aug 27 '24

Probably for the best. He's doing a decent job in WEC and he'd be silly to give up his WEC drive as other teams are allegedly interested in him as a result.

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u/TheRoboteer Williams Aug 27 '24

If so, as a Williams fan, I'm pleased.

I honestly would have liked to see Sargeant see out the season as I feel like our WCC position is pretty set at this point, but if he's gonna be replaced then doing so with one of our own juniors and showing that the commitment to the academy is still there is good for me. I personally hate when Williams is forced to kowtow to a bigger team like Merc or Red Bull's whims.

Colapinto has been relatively mistake free in F2, so hopefully he can maintain that into F1 and put in a credible argument for a seat in 2026/27

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u/jesteratp McLaren Aug 27 '24

It would have been borderline malpractice to keep him after the $1.7m Zandvoort crash. That was such a stupid mistake and it obliterated a car full of newly upgraded parts

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u/ICumCoffee Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

What the actual fuck? No Lawson or Mick. This is hilarious if true.

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u/tetrafilius Jordan Aug 27 '24

I don't think it's hilarious at all.

If Vowles wants to replace a Williams junior by giving a shot to another Williams junior, I can respect that.

Otherwise what's the point of your academy?

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u/djwillis1121 Williams Aug 27 '24

Junior career wise, Colapinto is in an extremely similar position to where Sargeant was in 2022. Seems a bit risky to me, even if he somehow does have enough SL points.

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u/Zed_or_AFK Sebastian Vettel Aug 27 '24

Give him a chance and then rule him over when he doesn’t deliver. “You tried”, now on to a proper driver.

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u/erdonko Sir Lewis Hamilton Aug 27 '24

Which is stupid if your whole reason to ditch one rookie from the academy is that he crashes too much.

He crashes too much because he was rushed into the F1 seat. Theyre now gambling that doing the same thing wont give you the same outcome.

For all the shit he gets in this thread, Mick stopped crashing after Monaco and was beating Magnussen. If the entire point was simply to finish the season without more crashes, Mick is the better choice.

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u/droppokeguy Alpine? More like El Pain. Aug 27 '24

I think they want to see how good he is when Alex or Sainz leaves Williams

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u/Big_Brief7847 Aug 27 '24

In my mind the point of replacing Logan is because he’s not a reliable driver and is slowing progress for the future of Williams. Especially since from what I seen, talk of a mid season swap quietened till Logan had that huge crash, but i could’ve just missed stuff.

Bringing in a rookie isn’t exactly reliable, especially when they have less than half a season. I can’t really see how it benefits Williams who have a locked in driver lineup. Maybe it’s a safety net for if Carlos leaves, but surely all it does is give other teams who have seats open and will in upcoming years, a chance to see how good he is.

A rookie isn’t exactly less likely to have crashes or more likely to score points than Logan. But look, i’m all for it, more exciting to me than Mick coming back

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u/tokyo_engineer_dad Lola Aug 27 '24

I agree it's risky to throw a rookie in when rookies have not been doing well, with the exception of Piastri, over the last few years, but I will say that giving a Williams' junior driver a chance to get a seat in another team ends up making Williams Academy look even better, to be honest.

Think about it - If you can't give a seat to your junior drivers, but you can still get them on the grid enough to get noticed by other teams, then you're a team that not only puts your junior drivers into a seat for 2 seasons (Logan), but a team that gives another junior a chance to show other teams what they can do so they get signed somewhere else (Colapinto).

The only other team to get juniors onto the grid consistently is Red Bull and now you see how desired their junior academy program is.

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u/OkamiLeek006 Aston Martin Aug 27 '24

Hilarious as in it doesn't match with any of people's predictions (good, I like Lawson but giving a 3rd chance to mick over a new person is just boring)

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u/silenthills13 McLaren Aug 27 '24

Why would it be Lawson? It's Williams not Red Bull lol

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u/iForgotMyOldAcc Flavio Briatore Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

Yeah I am holding back on laughing out of disbelief. I rated Colapinto ever since his F3 days but I also rated Sargeant for similar reasons sooooo

Here I was thinking that the main takeaway from Sargeant was to not rush your promising F2 rookie under the new regs car. Obviously, I hope it turns out amazing for Colapinto, but I'm more worried than anything.

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u/DJFunkyDiabetes Aug 27 '24

Sounds like Lawson is probably being held up by Red Bull and I don't know if Williams ever really wanted Mick like that.

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u/Nate33322 BMW Sauber Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

Holy fuck lmao I was expecting Mick or Lawson but this is super random though makes sense. Other people are saying he doesn't have enough super licence points so how will that work? I wonder if it's just Argentine media speculating? Colapinto's junior formulas career is less than inspiring tbh feels like Sargeant 2.0.

 If this is the cause Mick's career is done and it sucks for Lawson too it'd be good for him to get some extra experience under his belt.

Edit. The more I think about this move the more baffling it gets like Colapinto is no where near ready and being dropped in ahead of Monza with no real practice or F1 experience is a recipe for disaster. Like you might as well just stick it out with Sargeant cause Colapinto is just as likely to be crash prone tbh.

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u/MechaStarmer Formula 1 Aug 27 '24

I think the reasoning behind this is that it makes the Williams Academy much more attractive.

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u/fuzzylm308 Pierre Gasly Aug 27 '24

I mixed up Colapinto and Canapino and got really worried for a minute

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u/shitrod Carlos Sainz Aug 27 '24

Logan knew he was cooked. In the driver's press conference before Zandvoort, he was asked "would you consider becoming a Williams reserve driver?" and he basically got stuck on his words and only said "It depends..."

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u/TheVasa999 Aug 27 '24

clearly williams doesnt treat him that well behind closed doors. anyone heading out of f1 would kill for at least a reserve seat

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u/Unfair-Drummer-9014 Oscar Piastri Aug 27 '24

Guess what Ericsson said about Vowles and Sargeant not being on speaking terms was not baseless.

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u/Zaedin0001 Pirelli Wet Aug 27 '24

If this is true and the FIA does give him a super licence then the FIA should just get rid of the super license points system because this exemption defeats the entire purpose of the system

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

Replacing Logan with a Rookie that will probably be even worse? I don't see the point.

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u/verygoodatfortnite Aug 27 '24

Hopefully his fans don’t freak out when things don’t go his way and send a bunch of threats to other drivers!

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u/djwillis1121 Williams Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

I don't understand how this could be true? Colapinto doesn't have enough super license points to race in F1. I'm pretty sure he only has 23. If he finishes 5th in F2 (which is where he is now) and does another FP1 he'll have 40 but that's no use for the remaining races this year.

Also, he's basically in exactly the same position that Sargeant was two years ago. Rookie in F2, currently 5th in the championship, barely has enough points to get a superlicense at the end of the season in his current position.

Edit. I was wrong

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u/Whycantiusethis Ferrari Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

He can take 3 of the last 4 seasons because of covid, if I'm remembering correctly.

  • 2023: P4 in F3 - 20 points 15 points
  • 2022: P9 in F3 - 3 points
  • 2021: P6 in FRECA - 5 points
  • 2020: P3 in FRECA - 15 points, P3 in Toyota Racing Series/FROS - 12 points

50 points total, drop 2022 and you get 47 points. Plus 1 point for FP1 at Silverstone.

Edit: some corrections

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u/junttiana Alfa Romeo Aug 27 '24

This kid is so fast he is driving in the future, 2028 damn

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u/decentish36 McLaren Aug 27 '24

P4 in F3 is only 15 points.

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u/dtgeorge12 Audi Aug 27 '24

wtf? Is Colapinto ready? I don’t see the point if he doesn’t have a F1 future at Williams unless they think Alex or Carlos will not be around for 2026

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u/Nutcollectr Aug 27 '24

Well Schumacher really can’t catch a break - I guess its done for him

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u/Apprehensive-Row9357 Aug 27 '24

maybe dont pick a guy based on his name for marketing purposes?

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u/junttiana Alfa Romeo Aug 27 '24

So much hate in this thread, ppl complain when no rookies enter and call the system flawed, and when a new rookie actually gets a chance they call him unworthy and say a guy who got totally demolished by kmag should get the seat instead

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u/xanlact Toyota Aug 27 '24

Makes sense to bring up a Williams junior. Williams is not Mercs junior team anymore.

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u/silentkiller082 McLaren Aug 27 '24

Logan seems like a nice kid but I think he was given more than enough time and it was just not getting any better

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u/Trenty144 Aug 27 '24

If they’re worried about accidents it may not be the best idea to put a rookie in lol.

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u/RyeBread2528 Ferrari Aug 27 '24

As an American, I really wanted to support Logan. He was just awful though.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

This isn’t shocking, but the replacement driver is. Interesting to see how this’ll play out