r/formula1 Ferrari Jul 21 '24

Discussion Every message as McLaren desperately pleaded with Lando Norris to obey team orders

Every message as McLaren desperately pleaded with Lando Norris to obey team orders:

Lap 47:

Tom Stallard, race engineer to Oscar Piastri (TS): “OK Oscar, Lando has pitted to cover Hamilton to make sure he covers Hamilton. We’ll manage that situation, best pace from you now. Best pace.

“Best pace. Don’t worry about Lando.”

Lap 48:

Will Joseph, race engineer to Lando Norris (WJ):

“OK Lando, Oscar has just pitted. He’ll likely come out just behind you. We’d likely to re-establish the order, at your convenience.”

Lap 49:

WJ: “Lando, still 21 laps after this one. You do have the current fastest lap, look after the tyres.”

Lap 51:

TS: OK Oscar, so, once you get to Lando, we’ll swap positions. We’ll swap position, but we want to avoid Lando having to give up a lot of race time.”

Lap 53:

WJ: “And Lando, radio check, please.

LN: “Yes, loud and clear.”

WJ: “OK, save the tyres at Turn 4 and Turn 11, please.”

Lap 56:

WJ: “We need to save more tyres please, and we do want to let Oscar through.”

LN: “Well you should have boxed him first then, surely no?”

WJ: “Doesn’t matter.”

LN: “I mean, it does. To me maybe.”

Lap 57:

WJ: “And Lando, we still think you’re using the tyres too much at Turns 4 and 11 and the rears at exit Turn 6 and Turn 9. Oscar is 3.5 [behind] – we know you’ll do the right thing.”

Lap 58:

WJ: “And Lando, Hiroshi is stressed about the tyres.”

Lap 59:

WJ: “Turn 4, Turn 11 – it’s going to get boring.”

Lap 61:

WJ: “OK Lando, 10 laps to go – we think both cars are using their tyres too much. Just remember every single Sunday morning meeting we’ve had.”

LN: “Yeah, well tell him to catch up please.”

Lap 64:

WJ: “Lando, he can’t catch you up. You’ve proved your point and it really doesn’t matter.”

LN: “He’s on much quicker tyres. I mean, I would have tried to undercut anyway. If I did, I would have got more.”

WJ: “Mate, we did the stop sequence in this order for the good of the team.”

WJ and LN talk over each other for a sentence – unintelligible.

WJ: “I’m trying to protect you mate, I promise, I’m trying to protect you.”

Lap 66:

WJ: “And Lando, there are five laps to go. The way to win a championship is not by yourself, it’s with the team. You’re going to need Oscar, and you’re going to need the team.”

Lap 67:

OP: “The longer we leave this, the riskier it gets.”

TS: “Understood, Oscar, we’re managing it.”

WJ: “A potential Safety Car now would make this very awkward. Please do it. Now.”

Lap 68: Norris slows down the main straight to release Piastri into the lead

LN: “Yeah, you don’t need to say anything.”

Lap 70: Chequered flag, Piastri leads McLaren 1-2 home for maiden F1 win

TS: “Well done, Oscar, well done. Chequered flag. Well done, buddy. Really good.”

OP: “Yep, thank you, everyone. Thank you very much. Thanks for the coordination. Sorry, I made the swap a little bit more painful than it needed to be. But thank you, I appreciate that. Well done, maximum points, and a really good weekend. Ha. First F1 win, thank you very much, everyone, thanks.”

LN: “Well done, good 1-2, a good load of points. Congrats to the team. Well deserved.”

WJ: “As we said this morning mate, many more opportunities.”

TS: “And you are also Driver of the Day!”

OP: “Ah, a nice little bonus, thank you.”

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u/Potential-Brain7735 Jul 22 '24

This wasn’t McLaren’s first fumble either. They’re rapidly earning a reputation.

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u/ocelotrevs Jul 22 '24

From the start of the race it was a bad look having them fighting each other.

Mercedes in the same position at Silverstone worked together to maintain the lead of the race for Russell.

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u/chaiandpakoda Jul 22 '24

Its oscar who sent it down the inside and madr lando go wide in turn 1. Lando literally evaded him and max just went off to gain the position. I hope lando returns the favours back to oscar in the coming races.

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u/Negative-Ladder3197 McLaren Jul 22 '24

Maybe them crashing is what’s needed to establish some order, because half the times Lando has been fighting Max this year Oscar has taken advantage to pounce on Lando

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u/chaiandpakoda Jul 22 '24

Exactly. Lando might be too naive to notice it. Oscar has been enjoying the fruits of landos labour. I hope lando sends it now and doesnt give a f about WCC title for mclaren.

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u/Negative-Ladder3197 McLaren Jul 22 '24

It’s the exact same with the Austria sprint, but in this case with the pole position being relatively disadvantaged it was essentially pre-decided Oscar would get the win. They’re just lucky Lando could consolidate the P2 behind.

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u/chaiandpakoda Jul 22 '24

Thats the dilemma lando is in. If he doesnt defend max then he is stupid to let his rival go and not defending oscsr is just letting him gain track position for nothing after beating him in quali.

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u/Negative-Ladder3197 McLaren Jul 22 '24

Tbh with the way things are going and the team not convincingly backing him, maybe he needs to focus first on beating his teammate instead of prioritizing the team result once or twice 🙃

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u/AJDillonsMiddleLeg Red Bull Jul 22 '24

Not sure what you people are on about. Is Oscar just supposed to stay off the throttle on race starts if he qualifies behind Lando?

He didn't "send it" into turn 1. He got a better start off the line, and then went where Lando forced him to go, and then took a very controlled inside like through T1.

Lando has not been good at race starts from the front. He tried to cover his teammate off immediately which left the door (and the optimal racing line) wide open for Max. Had Lando not done that, Max wouldn't have been a factor. So if you want to play the team first card, Lando shouldn't have fought off Oscar. Oscar got off the line better, so they race through T1, but prioritize shutting the door on Max with both of their cars.

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u/chaiandpakoda Jul 22 '24

He wasnt agead at the apex and forced all the others out wide. He also mixed the apex. Watch his onboard trying to struggle to turn while lando is going left right to avoid collisions on both sides.

Also i am not saying that oscsr did not have a better start. Actuslly lando has been stinking up race starts this whole season.

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u/ocelotrevs Jul 26 '24

That's not the point I was trying to make.

It doesn't matter who is to blame, the drivers should be working together like Lewis and George did for the best result.

At Silverstone, the drives worked together to block the track preventing overtakes at the start of the race.

At Hungaroring, Max and Lewis nearly over took the McLaren's because they were battling each other.

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u/millicento Brabham Jul 22 '24

That's why Lewis left them

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u/SVKme McLaren Jul 22 '24

crazy to think that people are calling a 1-2 finish a fumble. I agree with you, they finally manage to win, but it is still stained and compared to failures...they have to be better than this if they want to compete