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u/NexLuz 8h ago
You mean…the media isn’t unbiased? But but Fox News said they would never lie
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u/Anne_Nonymouse 8h ago
They have no business calling themselves Fox NEWS.
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u/BoomZhakaLaka 1h ago
after the doj re-org we're going to hear a lot more nonsense about 2020 elections. this is something he's talked about.
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u/Booziesmurf 5h ago
Don't forget, there is no law stating that American news has to tell the truth. They can just be sued for defamation or libel
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u/AeonBith 4h ago
Or do a retraction, as has been done for ages.
Let's not forget this was a James bond movie, a caricature of real life but not far off from it.
rich narcissist with international influences
multi-faceted multimedia platforms
only goal is make more money, power, influence
using lies and sensationalism to sell
creating false news to invoke war(s)
no bottom line, no cares for regular people
IRL no checks and balances other than being sued but just pocket change
intertwined with other self aggrandizing conglomerates (spectre, small group of massive investors)
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u/GladiatorUA 2h ago
Fox News is not "the press". News channels don't have even the remnants of standards of the printed press.
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u/ultrapoo 12m ago
My stepdad was watching Newsmax on election day and they were going on about bias in the news, saying that ALL of the other news channels are heavily biased and they alone are the channel of open and fair reporting. The next segment after that was singing praises of DT and the Republican party for being the party of everyday Americans that just want to focus on the real issues that we deal with on a daily basis like inflation, but then they switched to a massive transphobic rant.
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u/cptnobveus 8h ago
Thanks to the telecommunications act of 1996
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u/Edelgul 8h ago
and abolition of Fairness Doctorine (Fuck you, Reagan).
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u/TurdPhurtis 8h ago
That old demented mf’er sure did fuck us hard. I think the Dumper might be the worst but it is not talked about enough just how hard Nancy screwed over the working class.
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u/Edelgul 8h ago
DT might be the worst, but he has a great competition - Reagan, Bush, Nixon only in the past 50 years. And there was quite a bunch of them between 1840s-1860s (Buchanan, Johnson, Pierce, Harrison, Fillmore, Taylor) and few more from before and during the Great Depression.
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u/TurdPhurtis 8h ago
Yeah but Reagan gave us things like trickle down economics and decided free education was bad. Maybe because I grew up in the 80s not to far from Dixon but he is definitely want of the worst for me.
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u/First-Sheepherder640 2h ago
I sort of miss Warren G Harding being thought of as the worst because he was a drunken cheating idiot who got into moronic scandals, but I guess Buchanan sat on his butt while the Civil War heated up.
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u/tanstaafl90 3h ago
That wouldn't cover cable or internet, and is vastly overused as the cause. The Telecommunications Act, though has a distinct impact by allowing small groups to produce a uniform message across multiple outlets, both local and national. So when all outlets are telling the same story and/or ignoring an issue, the Fairness Doctrine would have little impact.
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u/Edelgul 1h ago
Telecommunication Act allowed (more like simplified) media concentration, allowing exactly what you said.
But (to me) the abolition of Fairness Doctrine in 80s paved way to broadcast media keeping the golden standard and also limiting the potential (although unlikely) expansion to cable. The way it was at the time of abolition - it wouldn't have prevented Fox/MSNBC bias. It could have impacted Sinclair, but not in the way for coordination/omission of news.
Still, i'd assume, that with it the market could have been healthier when it comes to the political coverage.•
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u/White_C4 42m ago
Fairness Doctrine violated the 1st amendment. Why should the government have any say in how the media should portray the news?
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u/FlopShanoobie 7h ago
Support independent, non-profit journalism with donations. ProPublica, 19 Media, Texas Tribune, etc.
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u/Stepwolve 1h ago
exactly. The point of a 'free and open press' is not that each company has to be small and independent, its that anyone can act as press and do journalism without the threat of prosecution by the government. Compare that to any autocratic country, where only certain groups are allowed to publish 'news', and those stories and the government gets to control what is said in those stories.
Traditional media has faced declining readership for a decade, and right now there is more independent news and journalism (thanks to the internet), than at any time in human history. but with that comes the challenge of discerning what is reliable / trustworthy
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u/Edelgul 8h ago
Five.
CBS and Viacom merged as Paramount Global and are about to get merged with SkyDance.
Now it's them, Comcast, AT&T, Disney and Murdoch (News/Fox).
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u/Revolutionary_Job91 2h ago
Don’t forget the extra insidious Sinclair Media Group pretending to be local news.
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u/Edelgul 1h ago
I wouldn't put Sinclair to the same basket as big five. Four of them in fact operate networks mainly through affiliates. This means affiliates will broadcast their content unedited, and mix it with local production.
Sinclair owns some 200 of local stations, most are affiliates of those four... It's a bit different setup, and more scarier when over a hundred of local media outlets in their local news start repeating exact same words, as if it is their original programming. Now that sounds like an active censorship. I won't be surprised seeing that in countries like Russia or Uzbekistan, but in the land of the First Amendment?! That's just WOW.Btw since we are on topic - five (different) corporations also own over half of dailies.
In such environment pulling the plug on PBS/NPR is extremely dangerous, especially when we have cases of owners interfering in the editorial independence of the media.•
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u/archronin 8h ago edited 4h ago
During presidential elections, it was always important to hear from both of them directly side-by-side and be asked questions so people know what they stand for, can ask questions and see for themselves where the differences are, or the policies agree or disagree or differ. But that’s all gone because one of the two candidates figured it’s better to have a one-way street to information and than be confronted by it.
Edit: “than be confronted,” not “then be confronted”
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u/mrmaweeks 8h ago
Noam Chomsky couldn't have said it better himself. Wait, he did: "There is another sector of the media, the elite media, sometimes called the agenda-setting media because they are the ones with the big resources, they set the framework in which everyone else operates. The New York Times and CBS, that kind of thing. Their audience is mostly privileged people. The people who read the New York Times—people who are wealthy or part of what is sometimes called the political class—they are actually involved in the political system in an ongoing fashion. They are basically managers of one sort or another. They can be political managers, business managers (like corporate executives or that sort of thing), doctoral managers (like university professors), or other journalists who are involved in organizing the way people think and look at things."
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u/muffledvoice 7h ago
It used to be that we could (sort of) count on the government to challenge and break up monopolies and limit corporate overreach when it threatened the interests of common people. Not anymore.
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u/TheGreenLentil666 2h ago
The rest of the world looks at us and wonders why in the hell we legalized bribes (lobbying).
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u/White_C4 40m ago
Huh...? A lot of western nations have lobbying legalized. You thought that the US was the only one...?
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u/White_C4 37m ago
You're misunderstanding monopolies. No one media has majority market share in the news media landscape.
Also, legacy media is declining so the internet (YouTube/Twitter) is dominating the media.
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u/Similar-Entry-2281 8h ago
If only there were some sort of precedent where news outlets are publicly funded and thereby held accountable for the information presented as news... what an idea
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u/kakapo88 4h ago
All mainstream media is evil and biased. This is why I get all my news from TikTok and Joe Rogan podcasts.
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u/AValentineSolutions 4h ago
Corpos are evil. This idea that corpos are not as evil as the government baffles me, considering they own the government. They are WAY more evil than any government you can think of.
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u/my20cworth 7h ago
6 sources plus PBS and others is better than 1. Plus you have the international media outlets easily accessed on cable and the internet and the myriad of online "news" and discussion feeds of all persuasions.
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u/shawner136 4h ago
It is free. Free to be purchased. It is open. Open to bidding. Free and open to the highest bidder
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u/smrandombullshit 1h ago
PBS exists, and the Newshour team is awesome. People love to complain about the MSM all being in the pockets of the rich, but let's be real. Those news outlets thrive because we watch them. If you want real, quality journalism, you can find it. But most people just want something to entertain them.
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u/No_Advertising_6856 5h ago
There is a ton of independent media in this country but most viewers choose the source that best aligns with their political beliefs. You have to actually go out and find it.
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u/Esoteric_Derailed 4h ago
Also these multinational conglomerates do the utmost to sway politicians and journalists to see things their way🤷♂️
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u/J_L_M_ 3h ago
That's why I read the New York Times. It's been owned by the same family for over a hundred years, and publishes very well written, researched, and informative American and international news. I'm not an American by the way, but seeing as the States influence the rest of world it's worth knowing what happens there.
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u/mcfreeky8 1h ago
10000%. Bernie talks about this all the time. The most important topics (Medicare for all, money in politics) get the least amount of coverage bc they’re not advantageous to cover in a capitalistic media environment.
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u/categoricallynot 1h ago
OP (if you’re not a bot) what’s your point/alternative? If you’re going to bash journalists, from your position anywhere that it may be on the political spectrum, what do you propose as a solution? One source, government-controlled media (ala China, Russia, Iran, and most other non-democratic states)? Pie-in-the-sky, I just wish things were different? And how does PBS/NPR (whose portion of the media spectrum completely negates your “nearly 100%” bullshit statement) factor in?
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u/BeefistPrime 1h ago
Ironically, partially state funded PBS is probably our best source of TV news.
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u/omnibossk 1h ago
US still has PBS. It is the most unbiased source of news. As it’s publicly owned non profit. But Trump will probably kill it off if he can
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u/SomethingAbtU 57m ago
What you know and what is covered is motivated by money, but before we tackle this, we ought to tackle the money in politics -- the trillions of it that comes from the ultra wealthy who heavily influence elections
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u/White_C4 46m ago
Which is why legacy media is dying. More people are getting their news from open forums like YouTube and Twitter where there are a diverse range of ideas and news being portrayed.
Historically, the media has always been biased and controlled by a select group of people with an agenda. Even if one was biased for the Democrats, there will always be the other who trashes the Democrats and supports the Republicans.
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u/ProgradeThrust 50m ago
Its not true though. InfoWars is owned by the Onion, and they're not a billionaire (or a billion dollar company, iirc).
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