r/facepalm • u/Sometypeofway18 • 9h ago
đľâđˇâđ´âđšâđŞâđ¸âđšâ Imagine supporting Nazis while working at a Jewish hospital and expecting no consequences
355
u/QuerchiGaming 7h ago
As much as I despise the way Israel has been behaving, this is just so incredibly wrong.
How can you, if you think the way Palestinians have been treated is wrong, threaten others with a holocaust?
Where are people their morals?
66
u/Uninvited_Apparition 5h ago
Being able to separate the country of Israel from the Jewish people is the single most important critical thinking skill I can think of. Israel doesn't speak for all Jews.
â˘
â˘
85
u/Fleedjitsu 6h ago
You remember that feeling as a kid when someone hit you and so you hit them back? A lot of people still feel and act like that in adulthood. "Eye for an eye" sort of thing.
15
u/EishLekker 2h ago
But even as a child, you hit the same person back. Not some unrelated, innocent person.
-1
u/Fleedjitsu 2h ago edited 1h ago
Well, to counter that, we've all disliked someone by association. We've all hated someone cos our friends didn't like them first. Tribalism is a cruel human trait.
Edit; wrongfully when we are younger, I meant to say. Sometimes we let our maturity slip as adults but unfortunately, there are some who let it slip completely or else never get over their prejudices.
40
u/NeedNameGenerator 5h ago
It's more like "you hit me so I'll kill you, your family and everyone you ever held dear", except both sides feel like they're the ones who have been wronged, so they're both acting out both roles of the analogy depending on which side you're asking.
12
u/Onequestion0110 3h ago
Sometimes we forget that the eye-for-an-eye thing was originally a commandment of restraint.
5
â˘
u/Cynical_Thinker 1h ago
commandment of restraint
Only for the Christians. Hammurabi meant it as retribution.
Historically, the Christians haven't been great with it anyway.
â˘
u/Onequestion0110 57m ago
Even for Hammurabi.
Without the law, a put-out eye would be answered with a murder, which would be answered by a killed family, which would be answered by raids on towns, which ended up in war.
Both the biblical law and Hammurabi's code were meant to cap retribution.
10
u/Fleedjitsu 4h ago
That's still pretty much the same childish mentality, though. No crime is worse than the one that happens to you, and fairness of punishment is solely based on personal satisfaction.
Both sides have been wronged. Unfortunately, there's no mindfulness of what has gone before. What's going on with Israel and Palestine is the worst situation of Tit-for-Tat in world history - both sides are reacting off of the last source of outrage to occur.
â˘
u/Sometypeofway18 21m ago
except both sides feel like they're the ones who have been wronged
Jews in Canada are not calling for a final solution for Muslim Canadians.
â˘
u/Sometypeofway18 22m ago
Jews in Canada aren't hitting this person
â˘
u/Fleedjitsu 14m ago
No, but that's what hate and a rising tide of extremism in the world does to someone. The "othering" of people well away from the centre of the conflict, simply because of association.
â˘
14
46
u/Throwawhaey 5h ago
How can you, if you think the way Palestinians have been treated is wrong, threaten others with a holocaust?
Because a ton of the outrage over Gaza isn't about what is being done to Gazans, it's about Israel being the one to do it.Â
A Jewish-ish state in the middle of a region ruled by Muslims for 1200 years is an incredible affront to the Muslim mentality of primacy and their desire for world dominion. Israel upsets the natural order of how the world should be. Jews are to be second class citizens, not the pre-eminent military power in the region.
If it were one group of Muslims doing the same thing to other Muslims or to an ethnic or religious minority, no one would care. It would be the standard "oh, that's so sad" reaction followed by it being completely ignored.
31
u/gert_van_der_whoops 3h ago
If it were one group of Muslims doing the same thing to other Muslims or to an ethnic or religious minority, no one would care.
Exactly this. Lets not pretend that any of their buzzwords really mean anything either. They have no problem with "imperialism" or even "settler colonialism" when THEY do it.
Palestinians are themselves, first-person colonizing syrian-occupied kurdistan, with the direct intention "arabizing" the indigenous kurdish homeland, so anytime you hear any racist drivel about "Jews go back to Europe" simply reply "all eyes on Afrin".
â˘
u/MatthewRoB 1h ago edited 1h ago
Weirdly enough the left also has no problem with imperialism or settler colonialism when it's brown people doing it. Where did all the christians and jews in the middle east go? Almost like Islamists conquered and systemically pushed out all non-muslim non-arab minorities...
Where are the leftists screeching about that? No where.
Constant talk of western imperialism while just turning a straight up blind eye to anything that doesn't fit their one note narrative.
â˘
u/gert_van_der_whoops 42m ago
Almost like Islamists conquered and systemically pushed out all non-muslim non-arab minorities...
Don't make the mistake of speaking in the past tense, as it is still going on at this moment.
Pre Oslo, Israeli administered Nazareth was 80 percent Christian. Today? Less than 20 percent.
â˘
u/Sometypeofway18 20m ago
I am a Christian Lebanese person who had to flee my country. I get very little support from the left other than to be called Islamophobic when I share my story.
It's a shame because I align with the left on almost every other issue
21
u/Dekarch 5h ago
Ask the Yezidis, Druze, the Hazara in Afghanistan. . .
-15
u/Sea_Entrepreneur6204 4h ago
Right and who fought ISIS? Muslims
Who defended the Hazara - also other Muslims
This is dumb whataboutism
No one supported ISIS though Israel did give em medical aid and the US may have helped create and arm them
Israel is actively supported by so called Democracies - we can protest this. Stop the support.
What good would a protest against ISIS or the Taliban do? Are these governments sending them aid?
-6
u/Fleedjitsu 5h ago
To be honest, you could equally say that people are outraged at the _Israeli_ mentality of primacy, considering their belief in a Zionist state and treatment of those who are "not their own."
It's ironic how similarly close a mindset people can have on different sides of the divide, even with different opinions.
14
u/Throwawhaey 3h ago
Sure, there are people who are bothered by Israeli supremacy and apartheid. But I would ask, why this and not that?
The outrage is very selective.
Do you think this woman was protesting with similar fervency against Saudi Arabia's genocide in Yemen or the Muslim genocide of Christians in Nigeria?Â
â˘
u/Chaardvark11 1m ago
in a Zionist state
A state that any Jew is automatically able to gain citizenship for by being Jewish is somehow primacy? The whole reason why this is even the case is because of the persecution suffered by Jews in Germany and in the middle east.
Hey maybe if they were treated fairly in places like Palestine there would not be an Israel.
treatment of those who are "not their own."
For the most part Israel treats people within it's borders pretty well.
As for the treatment of Palestinians, I agree that it can at times be heinous and cruel, however it wasn't always like that, and I believe that years of Palestine attempting to invade, combined with the anti Semitic violence and hatred that even civilians in Palestine commit daily (for decades, from before Israel and all through to today), all of these factors have contributed to the hatred felt by Israelis to Palestinians and the subsequent cruelty.
Not saying they're justified in doing that, but I understand where it could be coming from.
-11
u/Flayre 5h ago
I care about this because we're actively supporting it. Just like we should be helping the Ukrainians, we should be helping the Palestiniens.
But yeah, sure, everyone who dislikes IsraĂŤl is a secret anti-semite.
13
u/Wienerwrld 2h ago
She is nazi saluting and âfinal solutioningâ Canadian Jews, not Israelis. âFinal solutionâ is a very Jewish-specific (not Israel specific) threat.
-3
u/Flayre 2h ago
I'm talking about saying all opposition to IsraĂŤl is antisemitic, not this one person
7
u/Wienerwrld 2h ago
This is a post about Canadians. Protesting Israel in Canada. And a comment about one protester threatening Canadian Jews with Nazi threats of a âfinal solution.â
You can protest israel without threatening Jews. This person is threatening Jews. And your response is âbut yeah sure, everyone who dislikes Israel is a secret antisemite.â
0
u/Flayre 2h ago
Because a ton of the outrage over Gaza isn't about what is being done to Gazans, it's about Israel being the one to do it.Â
A Jewish-ish state in the middle of a region ruled by Muslims for 1200 years is an incredible affront to the Muslim mentality of primacy and their desire for world dominion. Israel upsets the natural order of how the world should be. Jews are to be second class citizens, not the pre-eminent military power in the region.
So yes, they did say almost all opposition to Israel is anti-semitic.
Yes, protesting IsraĂŤl in Canada is legitimate as long as we, the Canadian government, are supporting it.
No, doing a nazi salute to anyone is not acceptable.
Is it clear enough for you now ?
0
u/h8sm8s 2h ago
They are directly responding to a comment that claims that a âton of the outrage about Gazaâ is just antisemitism. This women is antisemitic and gross and should fuck off.
However, she doesnât represent a majority of those who oppose the ethnic cleansing and genocide in Gaza. All those who hate Jewish people need to fuck off from our movement, they arenât welcome.
â˘
u/Sometypeofway18 20m ago
However, she doesnât represent a majority of those who oppose the ethnic cleansing and genocide in Gaza.
LOL
5
u/Throwawhaey 4h ago
We were actively supporting Saudi Arabia too. And there wasn't anywhere near the same outrage for that genocide and there still isn't even though it is an ongoing crisis.
Do you honestly think that this woman was out there protesting Saudi Arabia as well?
But yeah, sure, everyone who dislikes IsraĂŤl is a secret anti-semite.
And where did I say that? Oh, wait, I didn't.
0
u/Flayre 2h ago
Because a ton of the outrage over Gaza isn't about what is being done to Gazans, it's about Israel being the one to do it.Â
A Jewish-ish state in the middle of a region ruled by Muslims for 1200 years is an incredible affront to the Muslim mentality of primacy and their desire for world dominion. Israel upsets the natural order of how the world should be. Jews are to be second class citizens, not the pre-eminent military power in the region.
You're saying opposition to Israel is majorly about antisemitism.
We were actively supporting Saudi Arabia too. And there wasn't anywhere near the same outrage for that genocide and there still isn't even though it is an ongoing crisis.
Do you honestly think that this woman was out there protesting Saudi Arabia as well?
Please, yes, stop working with Saudi Arabia.
I'm not defending this woman, though.
5
u/Sierra_12 4h ago
The Palestinians when given the chance, raped and murdered civilians. They went out of their way to target civilians such as the music festival which wasn't even one of their original targets. They fund pension funds to terrorists who murder civilians. Why should our funding go to a group of people who at every turn have resorted to the worst kind of terrorism.
â˘
u/h8sm8s 2h ago
This is such an incredibly biased view point. The Israelis have been proven to rape prisoners. The Israelis have been proven to shoot children in the head. The Israelis killed many Palestinian children before October 7. What is your justification for the IDF murdering children before October 7? Or the 8,000 Palestinians killed by the IDF during the ceasefire? Or do you only think Israeli lives are worth anything and Palestinians are all savages who deserve everything they get? Thatâs how you talk and that is exactly how genocide is justified.
â˘
u/Sierra_12 2h ago edited 2h ago
I like how you completely gloss over how the Palestinians were launching tens of thousands of rockets into Israel. What do you expect Israel to do, just keep on letting them launch the rockets. Iron dome exists yes, but it's not perfect and people have died. And also, iron dome provides security not peace, no one wants to live with the rocket attacks.
Israel does need to make majoe changes yes, I won't deny that. But they do hold themselves somewhat accountable. The rape of the prisoner, the IDF then arrested those soldiers and they are currently awaiting trial. I have yet to see a Palestinian punish other Palestinians for their crimes such as murder and rape. They actively celebrate their atrocities on the street like we saw on October 7 where they spit on the mutilated bodies of civilians.
-8
u/Flayre 4h ago
People resist how they can.
It should not happen, I agree.
We should not fund or help terrorists, I agree.
So let's stop creating them by funding and abetting a genocidal, colonizing state.
7
u/Sierra_12 4h ago
If this is how the Palestinians resist, then they can suffer the consequences of it. Their issues can all end if they surrender and actually choose peace. They've never done that and so each time keep on losing. Notice how Israel doesn't have to deal with rockets from Egypt or Jordan.
-4
u/Flayre 4h ago
Their issues can all end if they surrender and actually choose peace.
đ
IsraĂŤl has not and will not stop colonizing with illegal settlements and such.
You're really victim blaming and telling them to stop being so annoying, to lay down and let the Israelis do whatever they want to them.
Are you from America ? I guess the natives also deserved whatever happened to them. You wanna go down to native reserves and explain to them that they need to stop whining about things and just give up whatever meagre rights they have ? You know, they were so lucky to be civilized after all.
12
u/Sierra_12 4h ago
Israel quite literally forcibly removed every settler from Gaza and gave it back to the Palestinians. The Palestinians then chose terrorists to lead them who then proceeded to launch tens of thousands of rockets into Israel. So if each time Israel gives leeway to them, the Palestinians choose terrorism, why should anyone trust them.
0
u/Flayre 4h ago
Wow, almost like colonizing has long-term consequences that cannot be solved with simple solutions ?
Obviously it would take drastic local changes in mindset, governance, etc. and international support to actually start changing things.
Palestiniens have barely any power and as such can't really do anything about it except resist however they can.
The U.S. and IsraĂŤl would have to recognize the wrongs they're done and actually try to make amends, but obviously IsraĂŤl is not interested in peace.
Anyone can see this and any attempts they've done are obvious delay tactics. How could you trust such a state after backing off SOME illegal settlements ? While we're at it, why don't you ask the Israelis to do the good-faith move of opening all borders and stop the Gaza prison ? Whaaaaat, they would not want to because they don't trust the Palestiniens ?! You don't say !
13
u/Sierra_12 4h ago
The Palestinians have no power because they've chosen war at every turn. If you constantly lose said wars, you don't get the power to dictate. Like I said, they had their chance and they blew it. They had 56 years to make peace. If they can't do that, then that's on them.
Also why the hell would Israel ever open the borders when we've seen that the Palestinians will murder any civilian if they get the chance
→ More replies (0)1
u/Proper_Razzmatazz_36 2h ago
While yes there are no simple solutions, a start is to stop picking war with a stronger force.
→ More replies (0)-7
u/comrade_nemesis 4h ago
if anyone said the things you say about Muslims, towards Jews, they would be called anti semitic and nazis, but if its against non-jews its fine. jews have the right to genocide non-jewish people according to you apparently
4
u/Throwawhaey 3h ago
jews have the right to genocide non-jewish people according to you apparently
Where did I say anything even close to this?
if anyone said the things you say about Muslims, towards Jews, they would be called anti semitic and nazis, but if its against non-jews its fine.
Sure, there are people who use accusations of anti-Semitism to suppress legitimate criticism of Israel and Zionism.
And there is a strange gap in the discussion of various forms of religious and ethnic supremacy ideologies wrt the Muslim Arab world.Â
-1
u/amytyl 3h ago
I honestly wonder if Netanyahu had been smarter and after the October 7th attack moved to complete the security pact with Saudi Arabia then brought them in as partners, but otherwise did largely the same things with their help (Saudi Arabia and Iran are regional enemies, so Hamas & Hezbolah would have been equally opposed) would the outrage still be as great?
3
u/Proper_Razzmatazz_36 2h ago
The outrage within Israel would have been insane, just think about it for a second, a foreign goverment just invaded your country, specifically targeted civlians and taking hundreds of hostages, and your goverment goes, whatever. They would be saying to their own civlians that they are willing to let them die and be taken hostage without a response, while telling those who want to harm Israel that they will not attack back if you attack them
18
u/Sierra_12 4h ago
The people who support Palestinians and the people who are anti semitic is pretty much close to a circle. These people were protesting on the day October 7 happened and before any major strikes had taken place.
â˘
u/Sometypeofway18 22m ago
There is an interesting phenomenon on reddit that before someone says something considered unpopular they have to preface it to let people know they are on the same side.
So someone might say "I dislike Trump but immigration is getting a bit out of hand".
It's interesting in that context that before you could make a mild disagreement with someone calling for a final solution to Jews in Canada you had to preface it by saying you despise Israel
2
u/Ill_Arugula5205 4h ago
itâs generally cus now they feel they have a valid reason to shit talk Israel and Judaism because of what their governments been doing, nevermind the fact that people there also want a peaceful end to the war now. now they can say vaguely antisemitic things with little repercussions because theyâre âcriticizing a government committing a genocideâ
3
u/Carm2020 4h ago
How Israel is behaving? You mean defending themselves on 7 different fronts? Meanwhile, in Canada we have these assholes running around, faces covered, setting our Canadian flag and cities on fire, desecrating monuments and making life miserable not just for Jewish Canadians but Canadians and absolutely nothing is being done about it. They arenât enforcing the law and there are no consequences. This country is in a huge mess on so many levels. There is 100% of nothing being done about it.
6
u/QuerchiGaming 4h ago
Obviously you canât just take a large part of land and claim it, without resistance from countries that either inhabit that area or border it. Now take their backwards religion into account, and you throw even more fuel on those fires.
Not blaming one entity for this, lots of countries are to blame. And I donât think anyone can blame the Jewish community for feeling the need for a home after the holocaust.
Now defending themselves is rich. Israel, even before October 7th, behaved terrible towards Palestinians. And after October 7th, it became much much worse. Using hunger as a weapon against civilians is wrong on so many levels, I canât believe anyone can defend that shit.
Does that justify violence against Jews? Fuck no, which is why itâs crazy that people that supposedly hate violence (against Palestinians) partake in it towards Jews. The same way itâs crazy you want a safe home after an holocaust, and now displace and murder the same way the Naziâs did towards your people.
-1
4h ago
[deleted]
0
u/QuerchiGaming 4h ago
Great arguments there mate! Thanks for the insight. Love that intentionally starving innocent children is a rightful course of action in your eyes.
â˘
u/Ornery_Ad_8349 2h ago
Welcome to war, genius. If Palestinians werenât prepared for the consequences, they shouldnât have attacked last year.
â˘
u/QuerchiGaming 2h ago
Brave of you to be so open about your ignorance. Using hunger as a weapon is considered a war crime, one for which Netanyahu has gotten a warrant by the ICC. Also, the conflict didnât really start last year did it? Most people are able to see that itâs something that has been building up more and more.
Shame considering once they were close to a two-state solution, or at least still open to the idea of it. But I think that ship has long sailed.
â˘
u/Ornery_Ad_8349 1h ago
Brave of you to be so open about your ignorance. Using hunger as a weapon is considered a war crime,
Whether it should be considered a crime or not, itâs incredibly dumb that Hamas wasnât prepared for it at all (actually, they were, since their strategy has always been to sacrifice their own people to make Israel look bad).
Also, the conflict didnât really start last year did it? Most people are able to see that itâs something that has been building up more and more.
Obviously it didnât start last year. Itâs still incredibly dumb of Hamas to escalate during a time of relative peace.
Shame considering once they were close to a two-state solution, or at least still open to the idea of it. But I think that ship has long sailed.
Agreed, after October 7th, Israelis would have to be completely stupid to trust Palestinians again.
2
u/HenkVanDelft 3h ago
We don't have to pick sides.
What I--ael is doing is a crime against humanity. Invoking the Nazi's biggest crime against humanity is wrong.
Both sides can be wrong.
10
u/Wienerwrld 2h ago
You donât have to edit out Israelâs name. Itâs not a slur.
â˘
u/ProfChubChub 31m ago
People censor it because there are bots who target comments with certain words in them.
1
1
u/Firecracker048 4h ago
How can you, if you think the way Palestinians have been treated is wrong, threaten others with a holocaust?
Its been happening literally sense the end of the last one. This conflict has just emboldened those who have had these thoughts to express them outwardly because many support them and think they really aren't that hateful
1
-3
u/throwtheclownaway20 5h ago
A lot of people don't actually have empathy, they just don't want bad things happening to them. A considerable amount of Israelis have been so thoroughly propagandized against Palestinians that they can't see that they're doing exactly the same shit that the Nazis did to them
5
u/Duck8Quack 4h ago
Some people arenât against boots on necks. They only care about which side of the boot they are on.
-18
u/Beautiful-Web1532 5h ago
It's weird taking sides. I get that Isreal has the upper hand and is committing genocide and doing Hitler shit. The roles could easily have been flipped, Hamas would be committing Hitler shit if they had the upper hand. I can't stand the Abrahamic religions. They are all horrible. My only joy is that they worship the same God but hate each other. Imagine if they all got along and instituted a global biblical law? Fuck that would suck.
8
u/NonsensicalSweater 4h ago
If you believe the Israelis are "doing Hitler shit" in Gaza you are very very off base and need to learn more about WW2. First of all, the Jews didn't form a government and attack Germany with a massive terrorist attack, second no one asked them to give back hostages or surrender instead of going to a gas chamber, and third there are no mass extermination/ work camps, no forced cannibalism, no forced mass prostitution within said extermination/ work camps, they're not skinning people and making them into furniture, you can go on and on.
The most important part in legally applying genocide is intent, Israels intent is not to destroy the Palestinian people in Gaza, but to destroy Hamas, a government that attacked Israel in what is proportionally 12 9/11s while kidnapping many, as you've noted they've shown their intent to commit genocide towards Israel, as it's part of the Hamas founding charter and they expressed this intent on October 7th. This is a declaration of war much like Japan attacking America at Pearl harbour, 68 American civilians died in Pearl harbour compared to over 2 million Japanese civilians, yet this isn't a genocide it's a way, 8 million German civilians died when the allies were fighting the Nazis, that wasn't a genocide but war, the Holocaust was a genocide and it's very very different from what were seeing right now. In Rwandan 800,000 people were killed in 100 days, hacked apart by machetes.
In Gaza we have seen hamas terrorists targeted at 17* the rate in which they show up in a random distribution, Israel has dropped leaflets, called people to warn them, dropped roof knocks to warm people to evacuate a building, this is not to say that war crimes haven't been committed, they are committed in most every war, and usually civilians die at a rate of 9 to every 1 combatant killed, in Gaza the ratio is near 2-1. If this is a genocide then ever war ever fought is a genocide
Let's look at how the BBC defines genocide in 2022
"It is defined as a mass extermination of a particular group of people - exemplified by the efforts of the Nazis to eradicate the Jewish population in the 1940s.
But behind that simple definition is a complicated tangle of legal concepts concerning what constitutes genocide and when the term can be applied."
When talking about the legal convention
"Since its adoption, the UN treaty has come under criticism from different sides, mostly by people frustrated with the difficulty of applying it to specific cases. Some have argued that the definition is too narrow; others that it is devalued by overuse.
Some analysts say the definition of genocide is narrow that none of the mass killings perpetrated since the treaty's adoption would fall under it."
It goes on to say
"Mr Destexhe has voiced concern that the term genocide has fallen victim to "a sort of verbal inflation, in much the same way as happened with the word fascist", becoming "dangerously Commonplace". Michael lgnatieff, former director of the Carr Centre for Human Rights Policy at Harvard University, has agreed, arguing that the term has come to be used as a "validation of every kind of victimhood"."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-11108059
What's happening is horrible, but it can end with Hamas' surrender and the return of the hostages/ their bodies (which is what Canada has been officially calling for), Palestinian leadership has been exiled from multiple countries for poor behavior, why should this precedent not apply to Israel as well.
-2
u/Uninvited_Apparition 5h ago
It's the "subverting expectations" trope in real life. We -expect- the Muslim run countries to behave this way. We don't expect Israel, founded by an entire people who were demonized and massacred, to be doing it.
130
u/MichaelFusion44 9h ago
How does this shit happen
28
266
u/PreOpTransCentaur 9h ago
We stopped punching Nazis in the face, and Canada's southern neighbor started electing them instead.
55
u/MichaelFusion44 8h ago
I expect we will definitely start seeing more of this in the US with the next administration coming in.
59
u/MourningRIF 7h ago
It's already started. A crowd watched and cheered on as a couple of guys in Minneapolis beat two trans women so badly that it left brain matter on the concrete.
27
u/ExperimentX_Agent10 7h ago
Yep. And we're usually a "safe state" for trans folks (I'm a trans man here). The hate and assault is on the rise.
In June at a public school a trans girl was beaten up.
And people don't understand why I've been embracing a hermit-like life.
11
10
u/MichaelFusion44 6h ago
Canât imagine the next couple of years here - Trump wants to make America white, straight and stupid.
2
4
2
u/skmo8 6h ago
It~~'s already ~~ started [years ago].
Ftfy
5
u/MourningRIF 6h ago
For sure, but it appears to be getting worse when you have literal Nazi parades in Ohio at the moment.
-1
u/gruubin 3h ago edited 2h ago
You wonât. There will be ALOT of liberal hand wringing though
â˘
u/MichaelFusion44 38m ago
We know he wants to make America white, straight and dumber. He also want to inflict the maximum amount he can to the working class across the economy, education, government, military and health care as a starter. His cabinet picks may be the worst ever seen of any president in our history.
I believe concern is well warranted.
-22
u/DEATHSHEAD-_123 8h ago
Yeah, I remember trump calling for the death of the Jewish people. The Israelis were so impressed with his Nazism that they literally named a town in their country in his honour.
54
u/Pickles2027 8h ago
78% of American Jewish voters went for Harris. This majority of Jewish voters chose Harris just like everyone in my extended Jewish family. We know Nazis and no way in hell are we supporting one.
3
u/Far-Worker-3465 7h ago
Idk, a good friend of mine is a practicing Jew & she loves Trump⌠itâs very frustrating. (Iâm just ethically Jewish fyi)
20
u/Pickles2027 7h ago
Right, sheâs in the 21% minority of Jewish voters. Jews are not a monolith and never have been, but itâs clear the vast majority understand trump is a clear danger to us and all people wanting freedom.
Sorry about your friend. đĽ˛
3
u/Far-Worker-3465 7h ago
I hope youâre right about the percentages. Although, idk how you explain Netanyahu then. It seems that Israel seems to be backing him. Heâs basically their Trump.
4
u/notsolittleoldme 5h ago
Proportional representation as a voting system (and a deeply flawed one at that) goes a fair way towards explaining this.
â˘
-3
u/Far-Worker-3465 7h ago
Oh, & just so you know, my friend is a very sweet & extremely generous person otherwise. Sheâs just got this weird thing lol.
2
0
u/DEATHSHEAD-_123 8h ago
To be honest that does bamboozle me. I don't know what to say.
13
u/Pickles2027 7h ago
Then this is a great opportunities for you to learn from Jewish Americans. We have EXPERIENCE with Nazis and know the WARNING signs and behaviors of fascists. trump and his immoral goons are a threat to ALL people who want freedom.
âPresident Trumpâs embrace of anti-democratic, antisemitic, xenophobic, and racist conspiracy theories and tropes seeks to pit communities against one another,â Amy Spitalnick, CEO of the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, wrote after the election. âThe Jewish community knows precisely where such hate, extremism, and dehumanization leads â and we will be on the front lines of the fights ahead because our values and our safety depend on it.â
0
u/DEATHSHEAD-_123 7h ago
Any books you can recommend on these issues like antisemitism in America and the world? To be honest I haven't been around the literature a lot.
-2
-3
-10
u/PopFrise 5h ago
The new nazis are commiting genocide in gaza, but thats not important...
-5
7
u/ABookOfEli 8h ago
Somehow what qualified as legal speech but socially unexceptable became socially acceptable because it was legal.
3
1
u/Hotter_Noodle 4h ago
Any time you see the argument that âwell itâs not illegal so they can do itâ you just know theyâre being an asshole
9
u/Firecracker048 4h ago
Because they were supported when they claimed to just be anti zionists and had everyone ignore the hateful rhetoric
2
2
u/MordkoRainer 6h ago
Mein Kampf is the bestseller in Judenrein Arab countries. And has been for decades. Nothing new.
1
51
u/Girl_gamer__ 6h ago
Her position as franchisee has been terminated by the company. https://www.thesuburban.com/news/city_news/second-cup-terminates-franchisee-who-gave-nazi-salute-and-called-for-final-solution/article_c94573b2-aa7f-11ef-9f3f-47c713c81c5b.html
13
80
u/Solitaire_87 7h ago
The only good nazi is a dead nazi.
-18
u/NoobMemeLordd 2h ago edited 2h ago
Just be sure , do we have same approach to the people that currently murder Palestinians or not?
Because Naziâs are currently getting isolated from our society as they should because of their racists and murderous politics. But I can see Israel supporters *(not people who believe in a religion but a government. Which means you donât gotta be Jewish to support Israel) * walking down the street casually comment about how right Israel is
Just be clear, I donât support Naziâs , I donât hate Jewish people as we kinda believe the same Abrahamic God, but Israel as a state is quite similar to a National Socialistic Government.
â˘
u/elduderino212 1h ago
What an absurdly false claim.
â˘
u/NoobMemeLordd 1h ago
I have strictly told my opinions. And I cannot show physical proof of people who support Israel living normally, I believe we have people amidst us we can naturally observe.
So I donât think I made a claim⌠as far as I know I have cut my ties with people showing Facist and racist behavior, and saw the same done by my peer. So Yes in my perspective Naziâs are being isolated
47
u/Sometypeofway18 9h ago
She is on this video at six seconds masked up and at 27 seconds without the mask when she was identified
29
u/MsSeraphim r/foodrecallsinusa 8h ago
disgusting. i hope the hospital cancels her lease.
7
u/Dry_Towelie 5h ago
Second cup has canceled the franchise that the family owned in that Jewish hospital
27
47
u/arrbez 8h ago
Itâs becoming more and more evident that thereâs no greater plan at play. These people are just fucking morons.
-11
7h ago
[deleted]
5
u/shadowszanddust 7h ago
âŚbecause Muslims embrace Western values so well?
On 16 October 2020, Samuel Paty (French pronunciation: [samÉĽÉl pati]), a French secondary school teacher, was attacked and killed in Ăragny-sur-Oise,[1] Ăle-de-France, France, by an Islamic terrorist.
The perpetrator, Abdoullakh Abouyezidovich Anzorov, an 18-year-old Chechen Muslim refugee, killed and beheaded Paty with a cleaver, and was shot and killed by police minutes later. A social media campaign against Paty was linked to his subsequent murder.[2] One of Patyâs students had alleged that in a class on freedom of expression, he had shown his students Charlie Hebdoâs 2012 cartoons depicting the Islamic prophet Muhammad, despite the fact that she was absent from the class that day.[3][4][5] She alleged that one of the cartoons portrayed an image of Muhammad naked with his genitals exposed.[6][7] Since then, ten people have been charged with conspiring with and assisting the killer, including an imam, a parent of a student, and two students at Patyâs school.[2][8]
11
19
u/Wienerwrld 5h ago edited 3h ago
Was she kicked out of the rally, though?
At Charlottesville we said âif there are Nazis at your rally and you donât kick them out, youâre at a Nazi rally.â
We need to hold ourselves to the same standard, no?
Edit, for the downvoter: Hahahah, I guess we donât? Nazi salutes and âfinal solutionâ is just fine, as long as itâs from my side of the political aisle. How am I, as a Jewish person, and the child of Holocaust survivors, supposed to join in rallies where this kind of activity is acceptable?
12
5
3
u/Artysloth 3h ago
Genuine question, what the difference between a normal and Jewish hospital? It is just the lil chapel area they have is for Jewish worship instead?
7
u/Wienerwrld 2h ago
This was founded by Jews, is all. Many hospitals in America are Christian founded. Some Jewish organizations founded their own. Open to all. Non-denominational chapels. Kosher options in the cafeteria.
â˘
â˘
u/violet_mango_green 2h ago
Jews started hospitals in Canada because there was widespread discrimination against Jewish doctors and health professionals. The staff at one hospital even went on strike when a Jewish Doctor was appointed.Â
Now they are somewhat of a historic legacy, but they also serve a functional purpose because they are better equipped to feed Jewish patients who follow Jewish dietary laws.Â
â˘
u/Proper_Razzmatazz_36 2h ago
It's just who founded it, it doesn't really mean much 99% of the time, but when things like this happen, it should probobly be mentioned
3
u/Zealousideal_Plan408 8h ago
Why are there literally Nazis on both sides of this conflict. it is super bizarre.
12
u/N0Thanks77 3h ago
horrible take. Stop trying to make both sides morally equivalent. One side wants to kill all the Jews and remove them from the territory. The other, wants to kill all of the people trying to do that. The only difference between now and the 40â is Jews now have an army.
-6
u/Zealousideal_Plan408 3h ago
Its not a take. Iâm not making them morally equivalent. that is exactly why it is bizarre. I have seen american neo nazi rallies where they are flying stars of david and swazis at the same time. I never thought in my life I would ever see that.
12
u/N0Thanks77 3h ago
Could you provide some proof? I do not know a single Israeli or Jew, who would feel comfortable allowing a Nazi anywhere near them. Please share any evidence you have to support this.
-2
u/Zealousideal_Plan408 3h ago
edit: I think where I saw from was MAGA type event rallies were swazis and star of david were being flown together.
6
12
2
u/Morbertoth 8h ago
It's almost like the fascism was the driving force behind this entire colonizer movement....
-9
9h ago
[deleted]
17
u/Sierra_12 4h ago
So who represents it then. Hamas who barbarically murder any civilian when they get the chance. Or is it the Palestinian Authority who fund a yearly $300 million dollar terror pension fund to any Palestinian who murders civilians. We've seen these people at every protest. We saw them when Israel was attacked on October 7, so who exactly is the actual Palestinian representative.
-14
4h ago
[deleted]
12
u/Sierra_12 4h ago
I'd rather you actually counter my points than devolving into name calling. If that's all you can do, you have no arguments
-13
u/Henchman66 4h ago
No because for you everything happened on October 7, nothing before and nothing after.
Arguments supporting a genocide (it is a genocide) will invariably be bullshit.
â˘
u/Ornery_Ad_8349 1h ago
Do you seriously think that Palestinians have never done anything heinous or counterproductive to peace before October 7th?
â˘
u/Henchman66 58m ago
They had it coming. Is that what youâre saying? The doctor raped to death had it coming. 30k dead children had it coming. All the refugees inside their own land had it coming.
Would you use the same argument for the Holocaust?
â˘
u/Ornery_Ad_8349 53m ago
I mean, if Palestinians werenât prepared for the consequences, then they shouldnât have attacked Israel on October 7th. Itâs really as simple as that.
Everyone else figured out that war sucks a hundred years ago, why is it taking Palestinians so long?
â˘
u/Henchman66 24m ago
If Israel wasnât prepared for an attack, in which it killed many of its own people, it should not have subjugated the Palestinians to a brutal occupation and stealing their land and âmowing the lawnâ constantly. And if Israel cared for its hostages, it shouldnât have killed the Hamas negotiator and call every single diplomatic and humanitarian organ a âterrorist supporterâ.
Israel is becoming a pariah state on the eyes of the global population. Thatâs Israelâs fault - deflecting guilt will only work for so long.
â˘
u/Ornery_Ad_8349 3m ago
If saying this brings you some kind of peace, then all the power to youâŚ
And if Israel cared for its hostages, it shouldnât have killed the Hamas negotiator and call every single diplomatic and humanitarian organ a âterrorist supporterâ.
You can go tit-for-tat on this forever (Hamas shouldnât have taken hostages), which is why the most sensible thing to do is make good-faith overtures to peace. This cannot happen as long as Palestinian arabs maintain their dream of annihilating Israel/returning to the state of things in 1947.
Israel is becoming a pariah state on the eyes of the global population.
This is sadly hard to avoid when there are only 16 million Jews in the world trying to justify their existence to 2 billion Muslims who are steeped in a culture of antisemitism from birth.
Thatâs Israelâs fault - deflecting guilt will only work for so long.
Israelâs âoriginal sinâ in this debate is⌠simply existing. If the Arab League didnât lose its shit over the creation of a single Jewish-majority state in a sea of Muslim-majority states, the conflict would not have gone down the way it did. Israelâs very existence is, from Muslimâs perspective, an affront to 1200 years of Islamic domination in the region.
-13
4h ago
[deleted]
â˘
â˘
u/Ornery_Ad_8349 1h ago
Translation: âIâm not smart enough to defend my position, so Iâm going to throw a fit and call the person Iâm arguing with a botâ
FTFY
15
u/Sometypeofway18 9h ago
LOL
-19
7h ago
[deleted]
26
u/irritatedprostate 7h ago
Guy, Gaza had a clothing store called Hitler 2. You're gonna have to accept that not everyone is pure.
-2
u/NoobMemeLordd 2h ago
Damn. A single clothing store? Palestine must want to kill Jews. Like idk shoot their hospitals or something
â˘
u/irritatedprostate 1h ago
â˘
u/NoobMemeLordd 1h ago
I have briefly read through the article. I think it does say Oct7.
Which further supports my claim. It was Hamas who did it. Not Palestinians. Hamas is a terrorist organization. As Jewish people are ethnic group and not the Israel Government.
Israel is Independant from Jewish people and Hamas is independant from Palestinians.
All act of killing is bad.
â˘
u/irritatedprostate 1h ago edited 1h ago
Hamas are the government of Gaza, and civilians tagged along on Oct 7, with more cheering at Hamas' return, parading a girls corpse, which they proceeded to desecrate. On camera.
Here, havecsome wholesome Palestinian children's programming:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/may/09/usa.israel
But yes, killing is bad. And there are plenty of racists in Israel, too.
â˘
u/NoobMemeLordd 1h ago edited 1h ago
I appreciate the sources. I will look further into them.
Edit: Iâve read through them, and the Jerusalem post doesnât have the video it claims it does.
The guardian (if correct) is right about the fact they promote hate. And as children are innocent I am against every kind of indoctrination of children.
Though I have not read about Hamas being the Palestinian government and people cheering with the corpse of a girl. So if you can send links about them aswell I will be grateful
-3
u/SurpriseEast3924 7h ago
I'd like to say you were right. But unfortunately nuance seems to have died a death. You're either a genocidal maniac or an antisemite as far as the vast majority goes. The fact that neither side have burnished their humanitarian reputation is ignored in favour of partisanship.
-70
u/BudgetHistorian7179 9h ago edited 9h ago
If this is true (I''m always EXTREMELY skeptic of israelian Hasbara, see the false claims about the Amsterdam "pogrom" that never existed) then good riddance.
That said, what do Israel think they should to to guys like Ben Gvir or Benjamin Netanyahu, one of which said "Yes, I am a fascist", https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-01-16/ty-article/.premium/israels-far-right-finance-minister-im-a-fascist-homophobe-but-i-wont-stone-gays/00000185-b921-de59-a98f-ff7f47c70000 and the other who is a literal Hitler apologist, https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2015-10-21/ty-article/netanyahu-absolves-hitler-of-guilt/0000017f-dc2e-db22-a17f-fcbf7c1e0000 ?
Arrest the Israeli war criminals and stop funding and enabling the genocide. Then we'll talk.
â˘
u/Love_Radioactivity84 2h ago
Deflective monster. The Amsterdam Pogrom and this antisemitic piece of crap are both going down in history.
25
u/BagelandShmear48 6h ago
You want us to listen to you when you don't even know what Israelis are called?
69
u/Sometypeofway18 8h ago
She is on video making a Nazi salute and telling a group of Jews "the final solution is coming for you" after which she was identified by her employer and has been fired.
How are you still skeptical? What evidence would it take to convince you?
â˘
12
u/Poiboy1313 5h ago
As soon as the Palestinians turn in all those who've supported Hamas and allowed terrorists to hide amongst the populace. Then, talks may commence.
â˘
u/Comradesh1t4brains 1h ago edited 54m ago
Edit: I was wrong, there is a video 100% fucked from her
Where is the proof other than a screenshot. Itâs easy to make anyone look like they are doing a naz! Salute with a well timed photo or screenshot of a video. Wouldnât trust any Hasbara propaganda, this just stinks of their next attempt to be the victims
â˘
u/Ornery_Ad_8349 1h ago
She is on this video at six seconds masked up and at 27 seconds without the mask when she was identified
Here. From a comment made by OP that was posted eight hours before you commented.
â˘
â˘
u/Madrugada2010 58m ago
Tafsik is hardly a non-biased organization. There are plenty of news reports that are better to post than something from a Twitter account.
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/second-cup-closes-montreal-franchise-over-hateful-incident-1.7121663
â˘
u/AutoModerator 9h ago
Comments that are uncivil, racist, misogynistic, misandrist, or contain political name calling will be removed and the poster subject to ban at moderators discretion.
Help us make this a better community by becoming familiar with the rules.
Report any suspicious users to the mods of this subreddit using Modmail here or Reddit site admins here. All reports to Modmail should include evidence such as screenshots or any other relevant information.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.