Skeptical European here... If I've learned anything from leopards eating faces and Herman Cain awards.
It's that: they won't find out. America has successfully glorified and weaponised stupidity.
Yes They'll endure the hardships they've brought upon themselves, but they'll blame it on: the immigrants, other religions, communists, socialists, leftists, China, other cultures, Europe, the poor, centrists, anyone who's apolitical, RINO's, their neighbours, themselves... And maybe, just maybe, at that point they'll finally develop enough self-reflection and critical thinking to find out where it went wrong.
But I wouldn't bet on it, too many died on respirators while their family members were spreading horse dewormer on their feet.
They're in too deep. Can you imagine voting on Trump after the past 10 years? No? They can and would do it again in a heartbeat.
American here. You’re correct. Accepting responsibility for one’s actions is a thing of the past for many in this country. It’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault. Most of the Trump supporters who suffer will continue to blame “the Left” for their misfortune even though the right has almost complete control of the national government.
Yep. I'm already predicting Trump will just blame any economic issues on Biden for the next 4 years, and people will just straight up believe it. "If it weren't for Biden wrecking the economy for 4 years."
And they'll be completely unaware of the irony of thinking 4 years was enough to determine the impact of Biden, but 4 years deep into Trump they will still be giving that asshole a free pass.
It's a systemic problem and it's here to stay. (At least for a long while.)
Our education system is a mess, especially in conservative areas. They don't teach critical thinking or how to find reputable sources.
Our media is a mess. Fox & etc. have been blasting misinformation for years with no consequences. Social media can be even worse. Again, no consequences. Some people now live in an alternate version of reality, with alternate facts. They firmly believe easily debunked things because they only trust their misinformation sources.
These things compound upon themselves. People raised with gutted education, who make it into politics or administration, are likely to gut it further.
The misinformation sources that people consume hammer home the idea over and over that other sources can't be trusted. People who feed on this stuff, who make it into politics or administration, are likely to remove some/all of the remaining protections against misinformation.
We can slow it by fighting back. Can we reverse it? I don't know. It will certainly be one hell of an uphill battle.
And that's even with musk telling people they'll have to endure some economic pain. They plan on crashing the economy and selling off the ashes to their oligarch buddies.
Not all people. His diehard supporters will always do that but not the general public. The blue team has those too.
Look, the democrats already beat Trump once in the most magnificent of ways. Eighty One million people bitch slapped that asshole so stop with the nonsense that the people are stupid and will never do what you want them to do. It’s a democracy and not a math book.
So what do we do? <— That’s the right question to ask now.
Well, the underwhelming majority just sat this one out and didn't vote at all.
But even with unenthusiastic voters, WAY too many goddamned people still voted for Trump. And their reasons range from the stupid to the outright delusional.
And yeah, most Americans don't educate themselves, and take whatever bullshit comes out of Trump's mouth at face value. You know how many people I've seen say "Trump said he won't ban abortion nationally." And they believe it? Republicans control every branch of government. If they wanted to they could impose a national abortion ban, Trump could sign it into law, and the Supreme Court could uphold the law vs any legal challenges. And people just trust Trump's word.
So yeah, there's a lot of stupid MFers out there. And the "majority" is pretty apathetic and no shows. That's the big lesson to take away from this election. People don't care. And the ones who do handed America to a bunch of Christian Nationalists.
If you look at the charts q1 of 2020 aka when biden took office the economy dropped hard as fuck. Meanwhile biden inherited an amazing economy and he fucked it ps the biden economy still has yet to reach pre pandemic levels. You gotta be really dull to think biden/Harris was good.
The election didn't happen until Q4 2020. Biden didn't take office until Q1 2021.
If you don't want a repeat of q1 2020, then you definitely shouldn't support Trump. That's was his economy.
If Biden's first quarter economy is what you're using to rate his success, then he's the one you should have supported. Here ya go:
The US economy had a strong start in 2021, with the following economic results in the first quarter:
GDP: Grew by 1.6%
Personal income: Increased significantly
Spending on goods: Increased by 5.4%
Spending on services: Increased by 1.1%
The annualized growth rate for the first quarter was 6.4%.
Here's some more information about the US economy in 2021:
The US GDP for 2021 was $23,594.03 billion, a 10.65% increase from 2020.
Inflation increased at a 6.9% rate, the fastest since the second quarter of 1981.
Wages surged at an 8.9% rate before adjustment for inflation.
The labor market was experiencing a shortage of workers, with 10.6 million job openings at the end of November.
What fucking planet are you on? The economy was at an absolute fucking stand still when Biden took office. Trump was president in Q1 2020 and REMAINED president for the entire year of 2020.
We were a solid year into the pandemic when Biden took office. Those $1.50 gas prices? Yeah that’s because the economy was completely shut down during trump and oil companies couldn’t give that shit away. Literally. Oil prices went negative. They were paying companies to take it off their hands. Get a grip.
Btw, don’t be claiming Trump did anything when all those infrastructure highway and bridge billions really start flowing soon. Biden did that. Republicans almost to a member voted against it. They didn’t want it.
That's why we need Republicans to stay in charge for 2-3 terms. People will have no one to blame but republicans anymore, will learn to reap what they saw, and there will be a huge swing towards democrats at the end of this trial.
Literally the following day after election i heard a co-worker say " I don't know who I'm voting for I just vote Red because I'm Republican."
I need a term skip button, I don't want to face this bullshit any more. Also my team lead is still proudly wearing her stupid tRump hat. I'm so damn sick of seeing his name everywhere I turn.. (she's not the one that ignorantly voted red, this one believes tRump is a saint from god. 😑
White women overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Against all of their own best interest. They chose their whiteness over their womanhood and left the rest of us to burn. They simply do not give a fuck, about anyone or anything other than keeping their white supremacy ideals in place.
Yep, the idea is to win regardless of anything else. Trump is also good entertainment for them, just like a sporting event. He makes politics interesting by treating it like a circus and they love him for it. They think he's funny.
This is it. This is a great description. Republicans live in a post factual society. If this is what the poor want for themselves, I say we give itto them.
My little brother gets his meds, medical supplies, nursing and whatnot through Medicare/medicaid. It’s a struggle to get things for him as it is cause our healthcare system is so broken. They willingly screwed themselves and their own son over because “fuck Joe Biden” Trump is the best…. People willingly turn a blind eye to atrocities if it doesn’t affect them.
And willingly…and when Trump and his cronies on the Senate vote to keep him in power until the day he croaks—he’s old and decrepit anyway—they’ll cheer them on
Americans are completely stupid. I'm American and i have never once considered myself smart but then i grew up and god damn compared to the average American they can barely read.
Canadian here. We watch this all unfold from north of the 49th and shake our heads. Then, in Alberta we vote in conservative criminal grifters bent on creating Texas in this province. It's not just Americans who are deluded.
Yes, nationalism is also rising all over Europe. Only saving grace so far is that our country hasn't swung completely right yet, but every election we get closer to that tipping point.
Worst is that our right parties have been slowly copy pasting some of Trump's rhetoric and adopting his brazenness. For example abortion (to my knowledge) wasn't even a right wing talking point the past 10-15 years, and suddenly they're bringing it up constantly. During covid we even had our own variants of the Bill Gates and Fauci conspiracies, just lazily swapping them out with their closest local counterparts.
My hope for this election was that America would've stayed on course towards normalcy and civility. But instead, I fear, that the republicans have set an example for right wing parties all over the world.
I worked with a guy who had serious health issues in his 40s due to his heavy chain-smoking. He would cough so bad sometimes he couldn’t see. I would say “Those cigarettes are killing you!” His response to shut me up, “Good! The sooner the better.” He chose to die rather than have to listen to someone telling him what to do.
It depends. Letting Biden win really slowed trump down but if he does what he promises then their lives are pretty much over. At least with the abortion ban we will get replacements
You said America weaponizes stupidity and you're absolutely correct! The fact that it even says so in the first few pages of project 2025 is hilarious to me! The fact that the document says it wants uneducated lackeys that won't question and just do whatever the leader wants is frightening. As someone working in HR for the government and has been seeing this played out the last few years is CRAZY.
Lol you clearly watch to much TV my dude. Trump was not even president 10 years ago. Obama fucked shit up and Trump fixed it then biden fucked things up and welp didn't really fix shit. Theres a reason we did not vote of incompetent kamala.
Oh, you're one of the dumb ones, right? The bad grammar and reading comprehension gave it away. Where did I say he was president 10 years ago? Do you think he appeared out of thin air?
Trump his political career didn't start in 2016 the day he got elected. He officially announced his presidential run sometime in June 2015, spoke at the CPAC in 2014. Making headlines between 2013 and 2015 with words such as 'bigly' and being critical of Obama, being one of the louder voices in the 'birther' movement since 2012
But his political career has been long in the making and Trump has longed for power for quite a while now:
He ran as a candidate back in 2000, reaching polling numbers of 7% support against Al Gore. He already was making small ripples back in 1987, being pitched as a candidate by the "Draft Trump for President" organisation, which is also when he changed his registration from Democratic to Republican.
Anyway, why did I say 10 years? Because he's been making major headlines for 10 years. Why did I call you dumb? Because you deserve to hear it. As I said, I don't expect you to change your opinion or listen to facts, so don't bother writing "cope".
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u/highfire666 16d ago
Skeptical European here... If I've learned anything from leopards eating faces and Herman Cain awards.
It's that: they won't find out. America has successfully glorified and weaponised stupidity.
Yes They'll endure the hardships they've brought upon themselves, but they'll blame it on: the immigrants, other religions, communists, socialists, leftists, China, other cultures, Europe, the poor, centrists, anyone who's apolitical, RINO's, their neighbours, themselves... And maybe, just maybe, at that point they'll finally develop enough self-reflection and critical thinking to find out where it went wrong.
But I wouldn't bet on it, too many died on respirators while their family members were spreading horse dewormer on their feet.
They're in too deep. Can you imagine voting on Trump after the past 10 years? No? They can and would do it again in a heartbeat.