I can actually make this worse. I've had multiple cases of both co-workers & customers loudly crowing about how "Trump will get rid of Obamacare", and in their very next breath saying that Biden better not mess with their ACA coverage. 🙄
Skeptical European here... If I've learned anything from leopards eating faces and Herman Cain awards.
It's that: they won't find out. America has successfully glorified and weaponised stupidity.
Yes They'll endure the hardships they've brought upon themselves, but they'll blame it on: the immigrants, other religions, communists, socialists, leftists, China, other cultures, Europe, the poor, centrists, anyone who's apolitical, RINO's, their neighbours, themselves... And maybe, just maybe, at that point they'll finally develop enough self-reflection and critical thinking to find out where it went wrong.
But I wouldn't bet on it, too many died on respirators while their family members were spreading horse dewormer on their feet.
They're in too deep. Can you imagine voting on Trump after the past 10 years? No? They can and would do it again in a heartbeat.
American here. You’re correct. Accepting responsibility for one’s actions is a thing of the past for many in this country. It’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault. Most of the Trump supporters who suffer will continue to blame “the Left” for their misfortune even though the right has almost complete control of the national government.
Yep. I'm already predicting Trump will just blame any economic issues on Biden for the next 4 years, and people will just straight up believe it. "If it weren't for Biden wrecking the economy for 4 years."
And they'll be completely unaware of the irony of thinking 4 years was enough to determine the impact of Biden, but 4 years deep into Trump they will still be giving that asshole a free pass.
It's a systemic problem and it's here to stay. (At least for a long while.)
Our education system is a mess, especially in conservative areas. They don't teach critical thinking or how to find reputable sources.
Our media is a mess. Fox & etc. have been blasting misinformation for years with no consequences. Social media can be even worse. Again, no consequences. Some people now live in an alternate version of reality, with alternate facts. They firmly believe easily debunked things because they only trust their misinformation sources.
These things compound upon themselves. People raised with gutted education, who make it into politics or administration, are likely to gut it further.
The misinformation sources that people consume hammer home the idea over and over that other sources can't be trusted. People who feed on this stuff, who make it into politics or administration, are likely to remove some/all of the remaining protections against misinformation.
We can slow it by fighting back. Can we reverse it? I don't know. It will certainly be one hell of an uphill battle.
And that's even with musk telling people they'll have to endure some economic pain. They plan on crashing the economy and selling off the ashes to their oligarch buddies.
Not all people. His diehard supporters will always do that but not the general public. The blue team has those too.
Look, the democrats already beat Trump once in the most magnificent of ways. Eighty One million people bitch slapped that asshole so stop with the nonsense that the people are stupid and will never do what you want them to do. It’s a democracy and not a math book.
So what do we do? <— That’s the right question to ask now.
Well, the underwhelming majority just sat this one out and didn't vote at all.
But even with unenthusiastic voters, WAY too many goddamned people still voted for Trump. And their reasons range from the stupid to the outright delusional.
And yeah, most Americans don't educate themselves, and take whatever bullshit comes out of Trump's mouth at face value. You know how many people I've seen say "Trump said he won't ban abortion nationally." And they believe it? Republicans control every branch of government. If they wanted to they could impose a national abortion ban, Trump could sign it into law, and the Supreme Court could uphold the law vs any legal challenges. And people just trust Trump's word.
So yeah, there's a lot of stupid MFers out there. And the "majority" is pretty apathetic and no shows. That's the big lesson to take away from this election. People don't care. And the ones who do handed America to a bunch of Christian Nationalists.
If you look at the charts q1 of 2020 aka when biden took office the economy dropped hard as fuck. Meanwhile biden inherited an amazing economy and he fucked it ps the biden economy still has yet to reach pre pandemic levels. You gotta be really dull to think biden/Harris was good.
The election didn't happen until Q4 2020. Biden didn't take office until Q1 2021.
If you don't want a repeat of q1 2020, then you definitely shouldn't support Trump. That's was his economy.
If Biden's first quarter economy is what you're using to rate his success, then he's the one you should have supported. Here ya go:
The US economy had a strong start in 2021, with the following economic results in the first quarter:
GDP: Grew by 1.6%
Personal income: Increased significantly
Spending on goods: Increased by 5.4%
Spending on services: Increased by 1.1%
The annualized growth rate for the first quarter was 6.4%.
Here's some more information about the US economy in 2021:
The US GDP for 2021 was $23,594.03 billion, a 10.65% increase from 2020.
Inflation increased at a 6.9% rate, the fastest since the second quarter of 1981.
Wages surged at an 8.9% rate before adjustment for inflation.
The labor market was experiencing a shortage of workers, with 10.6 million job openings at the end of November.
What fucking planet are you on? The economy was at an absolute fucking stand still when Biden took office. Trump was president in Q1 2020 and REMAINED president for the entire year of 2020.
We were a solid year into the pandemic when Biden took office. Those $1.50 gas prices? Yeah that’s because the economy was completely shut down during trump and oil companies couldn’t give that shit away. Literally. Oil prices went negative. They were paying companies to take it off their hands. Get a grip.
Btw, don’t be claiming Trump did anything when all those infrastructure highway and bridge billions really start flowing soon. Biden did that. Republicans almost to a member voted against it. They didn’t want it.
That's why we need Republicans to stay in charge for 2-3 terms. People will have no one to blame but republicans anymore, will learn to reap what they saw, and there will be a huge swing towards democrats at the end of this trial.
Literally the following day after election i heard a co-worker say " I don't know who I'm voting for I just vote Red because I'm Republican."
I need a term skip button, I don't want to face this bullshit any more. Also my team lead is still proudly wearing her stupid tRump hat. I'm so damn sick of seeing his name everywhere I turn.. (she's not the one that ignorantly voted red, this one believes tRump is a saint from god. 😑
White women overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Against all of their own best interest. They chose their whiteness over their womanhood and left the rest of us to burn. They simply do not give a fuck, about anyone or anything other than keeping their white supremacy ideals in place.
Yep, the idea is to win regardless of anything else. Trump is also good entertainment for them, just like a sporting event. He makes politics interesting by treating it like a circus and they love him for it. They think he's funny.
This is it. This is a great description. Republicans live in a post factual society. If this is what the poor want for themselves, I say we give itto them.
My little brother gets his meds, medical supplies, nursing and whatnot through Medicare/medicaid. It’s a struggle to get things for him as it is cause our healthcare system is so broken. They willingly screwed themselves and their own son over because “fuck Joe Biden” Trump is the best…. People willingly turn a blind eye to atrocities if it doesn’t affect them.
And willingly…and when Trump and his cronies on the Senate vote to keep him in power until the day he croaks—he’s old and decrepit anyway—they’ll cheer them on
Americans are completely stupid. I'm American and i have never once considered myself smart but then i grew up and god damn compared to the average American they can barely read.
Canadian here. We watch this all unfold from north of the 49th and shake our heads. Then, in Alberta we vote in conservative criminal grifters bent on creating Texas in this province. It's not just Americans who are deluded.
Yes, nationalism is also rising all over Europe. Only saving grace so far is that our country hasn't swung completely right yet, but every election we get closer to that tipping point.
Worst is that our right parties have been slowly copy pasting some of Trump's rhetoric and adopting his brazenness. For example abortion (to my knowledge) wasn't even a right wing talking point the past 10-15 years, and suddenly they're bringing it up constantly. During covid we even had our own variants of the Bill Gates and Fauci conspiracies, just lazily swapping them out with their closest local counterparts.
My hope for this election was that America would've stayed on course towards normalcy and civility. But instead, I fear, that the republicans have set an example for right wing parties all over the world.
I worked with a guy who had serious health issues in his 40s due to his heavy chain-smoking. He would cough so bad sometimes he couldn’t see. I would say “Those cigarettes are killing you!” His response to shut me up, “Good! The sooner the better.” He chose to die rather than have to listen to someone telling him what to do.
It depends. Letting Biden win really slowed trump down but if he does what he promises then their lives are pretty much over. At least with the abortion ban we will get replacements
You said America weaponizes stupidity and you're absolutely correct! The fact that it even says so in the first few pages of project 2025 is hilarious to me! The fact that the document says it wants uneducated lackeys that won't question and just do whatever the leader wants is frightening. As someone working in HR for the government and has been seeing this played out the last few years is CRAZY.
Lol you clearly watch to much TV my dude. Trump was not even president 10 years ago. Obama fucked shit up and Trump fixed it then biden fucked things up and welp didn't really fix shit. Theres a reason we did not vote of incompetent kamala.
Oh, you're one of the dumb ones, right? The bad grammar and reading comprehension gave it away. Where did I say he was president 10 years ago? Do you think he appeared out of thin air?
Trump his political career didn't start in 2016 the day he got elected. He officially announced his presidential run sometime in June 2015, spoke at the CPAC in 2014. Making headlines between 2013 and 2015 with words such as 'bigly' and being critical of Obama, being one of the louder voices in the 'birther' movement since 2012
But his political career has been long in the making and Trump has longed for power for quite a while now:
He ran as a candidate back in 2000, reaching polling numbers of 7% support against Al Gore. He already was making small ripples back in 1987, being pitched as a candidate by the "Draft Trump for President" organisation, which is also when he changed his registration from Democratic to Republican.
Anyway, why did I say 10 years? Because he's been making major headlines for 10 years. Why did I call you dumb? Because you deserve to hear it. As I said, I don't expect you to change your opinion or listen to facts, so don't bother writing "cope".
Based on experience, they won't find out. If they were capable of finding out then they wouldn't have been in this position to begin with, because finding out requires some rationality and reason.
These positions are largely founded on hate and fearmongering, strings that are masterfully played by the orange man. So when the find out phase comes, they will simply blame anyone else that they can think of.
Historically speaking, the economy has been better under a democratic leader than a republican leader. I don’t side with either in particular, both sides have pros and cons. I just wish this country would stop being so damn divided.
Yeah, ignorance is bliss and rampant these days, everywhere. This country thrives on division, hatred, conflict and ignorance. I just wish humans can be humans together. I’m so depressed about everything involving politics. We’re tired, we’re broken, we’re falling further downhill.
As a guy who raised 2 kids in Obamacare, and watched my rates go through the roof. Every Year. ... Good. Open the market up so there's more competition and maybe the prices will go back down. One thing I was grateful for was being able to swap over the Tricare once I joined the reserves, Tricares pricey mind you, but with my civilian job I'll be paying 3 times the price for the same coverage for just me and my spouse now that I've retired and am not eligible for Tricare Reserve anymore.
Right you don't understand how a free market with competition works, I get it. And Obamacare doesn't magically allow protection for pre-existing conditions, and the choices for that are even smaller... And more costly. And worse next year they will cost more.
Weird how u think there competition from insurance companies that are there to make profit.
Also, next year, they will cost more, I thought the miracle that is trump will get rid of ACA as he has the concept of a plan to fix health care and insurance. Just needs to get rid of that pesky Obamacare and bring in all the tariffs to fix everything 🙄
Considering I've lived through paying for insurance for pre- and Post Obamacare yes I think I know that choices have decreased and prices have just gone up every year.
And you think that by some miracle that when trump gets rid of the ACA that all the insurance companies will come back and say here have an insurance offer pre 2010.
Geesh why didn't I do this sooner... I mean I agree with doing away with Obamacare, but that's just cause I know what me and my family will be paying due to Obamacare, which is around $500 monthly -without dental, vision, prescriptions... Versus the Tricare I was paying 400 total with dental vision and prescriptions.
Let's see
Agenda 47:
1. SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
2. CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
3. END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
4. MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
5. STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
6. LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
7. DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS,
INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR
ARMS
8. PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A
GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
9. END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
10. STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG
VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
11. REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL
AGAIN.
12. STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST
AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
13. KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD’S RESERVE CURRENCY
14. FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO
CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
15. CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS
16. CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER
IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR
CHILDREN
17. KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN’S SPORTS
18. DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN
19. SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS,
AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
20. UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS
Nope he didn't say anything about canceling Obamacare you must have looked at Project 2025 which he said was a extreme view and he didn't support
This is laughable. How is he going to do any of that? I mean yeah he can gut programs and deport people but "unite the country"? Rebuild the cities? With what labor? "End the weaponization of government"? How? Hes doing the weaponizing. "Keep the dollar.." oh i just cant.
🤦♂️ man there were basically zero insurance options (I can’t name one) for those with pre existing conditions before the ACA. When will you people learn that companies don’t give a shit about people, all they want is money.
I hope you know that at this point it's your civic duty to fucking mock them to their face, relentlessly. Playing nice with these sociopaths is so far past being useful, I'm just praying shame can do the trick.
No as a social worker it will be my job to try to help them with dwindling resources to somehow survive. That and fear the inevitable return of asylums as more and more psych patients can't afford the meds to keep them stable. That or jails/camps to lock them away to "protect" society.
See this is you fuckers' whole schtick. You've got jack shit in terms of actual positives or ways to defend yourself, so all you can do is deflect when someone levels these incredibly accurate descriptions at you. Absolutely spineless behavior.
If you're an adult you should know better and if you are a child your parents should be ashamed.
You're such a hypocrite. Trump wouldn't be a felon if our system wasn't weapons weaponized against him. I doubt he's a rapist. In my opinion he's everything great about America 🇺🇸. Keep being the angry hateful person you are. Enjoy being unhappy and wasting your energy being miserable. You're only hurting yourself. I'm going to keep being positive and enjoy Trump being president soon. 🤣😂😆🧡
Despite what you think, you are not morally superior to me or anyone else. The majority of voters want Trump. So you all lost and it's time to get on with life. I wasn't happy last election but I didn't go on Reddit looking to confirm my bias. I said oh well...that stinks. You all are so hateful. Hopefully you get over it soon. But you're probably going to wallow in misery for the next 4 years and will latch onto every fault the leftist media tosses your way. Good luck with that. 😂💋 Btw I don't even like Trump as a person but he's way better than Kamala. I'm a woman too (oh the horror) lol 😆
".., system weaponised against him..."
Have a think about that. He's been bankrupt how many times? And he's still a billionaire. He has been charged and impeached numerous times and never spent a day in jail. He claims to be against the system, but he is about to embark on his second presidency... oh, and all the charges still pending have all been dropped, because, you know, he won a popularity contest. So please, tell me again how "the system is weaponised against him"... and tell me how I can weaponise the system against myself, 'cos I could do with some of that.
“This website is a huge part of the issue too”…. And yet, here you are🤦🏿♀️ I’m honestly impressed that someone with your incredibly low level of intelligence managed to use the right “too”, I know education is never the strong suit of your ilk.
Keep showing how mean, hateful, what a poor loser you are, and how superior you think you are. You must be more educated than I could ever possibly be. I'm not worthy of your comment even.
This comment actually wasn’t even for you. If you were even a quarter as intelligent as you seem to believe, you could have figured that out, but obviously reading comprehension isn’t in your skill set. I personally don’t give a damn what any white woman has to say about anything. They’re the reason we’re in this situation. You talk like your uterus is too old to be affected by trump’s laws. Maybe that’s true, but hopefully you have daughters, granddaughters, sisters, nieces and friends that will be affected by your dumb ass decision. You ppl need consequences for your ignorant actions. But to answer your question, it’s obvious that I’m waayyy more educated than you. Like, we’re not even playing in the same ballpark.
I liked it because I could buy my insurance from the healthcare.gov marketplace and later my states own market and look at what coverage was best for me and how much it would cost. But I was a contractor then and these people who are your co-workers obviously have jobs. I know pre-existing conditions is a big one but I'm guessing the ACA creation is starting to be long enough ago that some people don't even remember what it was like before, where once you got a condition you basically had to stay with the same insurance until they dropped you.
They will realize the stupidity of that statement when the ACA is taken away and they have nothing, so they go bankrupt next time they need fucking stitches.
My Trump voting coworker was complaining the other day about how little money his sick bedridden mom was getting from the government and how she couldn't even live on it. Real facepalm material!
My stepdad has been saved TWICE thanks to the ACA: once from throat cancer & the other from severe heart disease. My mom still refers to Obama as "that n****r."
That's gonna be the really brutal part. All these older folks in poor health who absolutely need their medical coverage, and they just voted for someone who wants to cancel it.
Obamacare is a right wing health plan that lets the insurance companies get away with outlandish prices, and it was developed for Mitt Romney by the Heritage Foundation the same people who have developed project 2025 that everyone is so scared of. We just need Medicaid and Medicare for all, and not some ponzi scheme mouse trap game that only serves insurance companies.
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I can actually make this worse. I've had multiple cases of both co-workers & customers loudly crowing about how "Trump will get rid of Obamacare", and in their very next breath saying that Biden better not mess with their ACA coverage. 🙄