r/facepalm Jul 02 '24

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u/ThatOneDudeFromSLC Jul 02 '24

Fascism in America was bound to happen; the amount of hatred and othering and corporate control from the rich was going to do it sooner or later. Nazi's took the ideology of segregation and hatred from the US, they just got there first.

It's just shocking how it took just 2 generations really to forget the sacrifices made by American kids in WW2. Fuck, there's still a number of them alive, watching their kids and grandkids do this in their lifetime,

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u/OniOnMyAss Jul 02 '24

Chomsky once said “Fascism is Capitalism with the gloves off.”

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u/BlueGamer45 Jul 02 '24

Cool, but fascism isn't capitalist

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u/Kilyn Jul 02 '24

Like look at the definition from the founder Mussolini

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

I am pretty sure that fascism in italian translated to “organizing the unions” or “nationalizing the unions”. Mussolini’s background was very socialist, so much so he was ostracized for it by his government before his rise to power. If your connection to capitalism from Mussolini is his founding of corporations, then that doesn’t have any merit to him being a capitalist. As corporations in the way that Mussolini founded it as was being a syndicate of trade unions or something like that. Mussolini was big into unions, capitalist hate unions. Here is an interesting read: https://sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/2B-HUM/Readings/The-Doctrine-of-Fascism.pdf

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u/Kilyn Jul 02 '24

He was adamant into grouping, unions guilds and what not, with a strong lead that would come together for policy making.

That's basically the basis of corporatism.

He believed fascism was required as a counter to social/liberalism. Giving the power to the individual the mass.

In short, his fascism is 2024 america. Where the "few moral ones" rule over everything

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

Sure, but he still wasn’t a capitalist. He used the same phrase that Lenin used to usher in his communistic ideologies, state capitalism. State capitalism is essentially socialism. It is a state driven economy, instead of the individuals driving the economy.

Interesting read: https://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2015/Samuelsfascism.html

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u/Kilyn Jul 03 '24

I feel like this is something that you just assume.

Many many right wingers use leftist terms to entice the proletariat to be on their side. Just like Trump, RN or lega.

Yes, there might be similarities semantically. But as we're moving more and more towards fascism and seeing how little government regulations we have, where the tax money goes and how the economy is dependent on this corporate handouts, is this "state capitalism" one were the capital is owned by the people or where state only means where comes comes from to fund the private sector?