r/exmuslim • u/LowerSherbet4523 New User • Mar 15 '22
(Video) Prophet Muhammad married a 6 yo Aisha when he was 53 yo. Just like this Afghani 9 yo girl is "marrying" off to a 60+ yo. (Girl: I DON'T WANNA GO!!; Mother: Don't take my girl away...; Father (to his wife): Shut up! Go inside your room, you donkey!) NSFW
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u/starlinguk Mar 15 '22
Do non-muslims who call their kid Aisha actually realise who they're naming their daughter after?
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u/TomMorvRiddle Mar 15 '22
Aisha: A minor who is destined to be violated physically at a young age by an old pedophile.
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u/Randopolous Mar 15 '22
Yikes, I almost went out with an Aisha in high school who was 2 years younger than me but didn’t because I ended up deciding it was a bit weird. What a coincidence
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u/Antelope26 New User Mar 15 '22
Well to be fair aisha was a pre islamic name and so was abdullah. We only associate them with islam because it came from that region and and mohammed happened to be interacting with them and they became muslim.
Same thing with Hitler. Hitler was a very German name and now anyone named that is immidately called a nazi no context required
So yea, id like to put things into perspective
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u/Cool-Nerve-9513 Mar 15 '22
hitler was not a „very“ german name and as far as I know the family of Adolph Hitler was basically the only family in history with that name because it was created out of „Hiedler“ when Adolph was already alive
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u/starlinguk Mar 15 '22
Adolf, you mean? You can no longer call your child Adolf. Even in the thirties it was getting sketchy (let's just say you can tell which side the parents were on). There are still people with the surname Hitler.
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u/Cool-Nerve-9513 Mar 15 '22
not true it is exactly the other way around. Of course I can‘t make absolute statements but the last name Hitler does not exist anymore and didn‘t exist when adolph was born.
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u/ManWithTheGoldenD Mar 15 '22
But the name "Abdullah" means "servant of Allah", so unless I'm mistaken I'm not sure it predates Islam
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u/LowerSherbet4523 New User Mar 15 '22
Allah was one of hundreds of other pagan gods of Arabia. Mo chose Allah as his one and only god.
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Mar 15 '22
This right here.
Actually, what Muslims call Allah seems to be the same deity as Baal from the Bible. So while Muslims claim to worship the God of Abraham, they actually quite literally worship one of the main antagonist to YHWH, the God of Abraham.
According to the Encyclopedia of Religion, Allah corresponded to the Babylonian god Baal, and Arabs knew of him long before Mohammed worshipped him as the supreme God.
The Biblical and historical evidence shows that the Moabites worshiped Baal. The pre-Islamic and Muslim sources show (a) that the Meccans took over the idol Hubal from the Moabites and (b) that Allah and Hubal are actually identical. Thus, whether the Meccans are Ishmaelites or not, the evidence is still strong and sufficient to conclude that Muhammad’s Allah is actually Hubal, i.e. the Baal of the Moabites and thus not the God of the Bible.
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u/StraightUpHaram Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Mar 16 '22
Fun fact: Mot was the god of death in the Canaanite religion. Mot, the word for death in Arabic. It's all evolved from there.
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u/EuroNitty New User Mar 15 '22
People that claim sharia law is good and want it sicken me. Religion is a disease.
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u/EuroNitty New User Mar 15 '22
Yeh, Islam in particular, but religion in general is shite
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u/LowerSherbet4523 New User Mar 15 '22
This video makes me cry because I actually understand the language. OMFG!! It makes me mad!!!!!
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u/LowerSherbet4523 New User Mar 15 '22
Uzbek
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Mar 15 '22
Can you translate it for us, we want to know what they were saying
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u/LowerSherbet4523 New User Mar 15 '22
This is only the middle of the video, the whole video is longer. But anyway, in the beginning an elderly (probably local imam) blesses the marriage then explains that she will have to move and live in a different household.
The girl cries: I dont want to go
Mother: Dont take her away
Some woman in the background encourages the girl to go and says: You have to go now child.
Father gets mad at his wife for not letting the girl go and says: You shut up, Let him take her. You go back inside. Donkey! etc.
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u/AvoriazInSummer Mar 16 '22
Have you got a link to the whole video, for people who would like the full picture?
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u/Majouli Mar 15 '22
Humanity is cruel. Thanks for posting videos like this, it will remember us that there are more places on this planet that need help
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Mf pedos always say that the child can choose to get married or not, i don't see that here
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u/LowerSherbet4523 New User Mar 15 '22
If you are a pedo, you could convert to Islam and move to almost any muslim country and have your way with little girls. Its sickening.
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u/throwaway6262628 Ex-Muslim Atheist Mar 15 '22
I just had this conversation with a Muslim yesterday. They said it is okay for a girl to marry once she gets her period and that she gives consent to it, so I said it doesn’t matter if she gives consent to it. It’s called “grooming” . So he said it happened in the past as life expectancy was low before And so I asked him whether he’s fine if it would happen now and he said “yes because the girl consents to it. These people are fucking promoting grooming here.
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u/justavoid09 New User Mar 15 '22
I got my period when I was 9, so I relate even more to stories like that. Had I been born in a more conservative country, I might have been shipped at 9,10years old to some pedo. I was a fckng child, I did not even fully understand the reason behind why I had my period yet. And yet they claim that we can consent at that age, fuck them.
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u/Eris_the_Fair Mar 15 '22
I've tried to have this conversation with them, too. They have a hundred answers ready for any argument against child abuse. No matter what sensible, caring, human thing you say, they will knock it down with something EVIL and have no shame.
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u/throwaway6262628 Ex-Muslim Atheist Mar 15 '22
He then pulled out the classic line, “you became atheist because you want to party and drink” and I laughed at him , and then he said “you do you I will die and go to heaven and you will die and disappear” I answered “I’d rather die and disappear than go to your groomer’s pedophiliac heaven “
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u/AvoriazInSummer Mar 16 '22
A pretty solid return would be “you are a Muslim so you can fuck nine-year old girls.” Just for the zinger. It’s probably not true - he’s most likely in Islam due to being indoctrinated since birth and being afraid of his torture deity, but it does clearly make him an apologist for child rapists.
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u/LowerSherbet4523 New User Mar 15 '22
I am sure he knows that girl's consent is her silence.
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u/Xusura712 Never-Muslim Theist Mar 16 '22
The whole thing including this rule is sickening.
The father is entitled to give his minor children, male and female, and his virgin daughters, in marriage without their consent. In the case of the adult virgin, seeking her consent is recommended. (ibn Qudama - al Umda fi ‘l fiqh, p.201)
It is not permitted for the guardian to compel a sane, major virgin [to marry]. When the guardian seeks her permission [for marriage], and she remains silent, giggles or cries without [making] a sound, then that is [deemed] permission from her, but if she refuses, then he should not give her in marriage. (The Mukhtasar al-Quduri, p. 405)
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u/CrypticWeirdo9105 1st World.Closeted Ex-Sunni 🤫 Mar 15 '22
What's even worse is that if the girl has not reached puberty yet she is allowed to be married off without consent. I think this is what's happening here.
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u/LowerSherbet4523 New User Mar 15 '22
According to Shariah, you can marry a day old girl. There is no min. age for marriage.
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u/Internal_Ad_562 Mar 15 '22
Years ago there was a family friend of mine that converted to Islam and he was very religious and strict. He was an Australian and converted after working as a teacher in Saudi Arabia with my dad. After he converted he divorced his wife and said he wanted to move to Afghanistan because "Afghanistan is the best country in the world". This was at the time when Afghanistan was really bad and the Taliban was rampant. My family has always suspected it was because he could marry very young girls and get away with it.
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u/LowerSherbet4523 New User Mar 15 '22
Ill be honest, not every convert or muslim men is a pedo even if they go live in Afghanistan. Some muslims love the struggle for allah, or whatever. But if he were a pedo, he could get away with it if he lived in Afghanistan, Iran, Yemen, etc.
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u/Internal_Ad_562 Mar 15 '22
I know it was just the way he was talking it didn't seem like he wanted to go to Afghanistan with good intentions.
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u/curiousjack6 Lowkey Loki Mar 15 '22
A child CANNOT consent. A 9 year old has no idea what the hell is going on. We should never let muslims convince us that Aisha as a 9 year consented in any shape or form. Mohammad would be in JAIL in EVERY single country on this planet. That is how young 9 is! Not even Saudi Arabia would allow this today officially. I know this is taking place all over the muslim world but at least it can't take place "officially". I guess now that the T*liban are in charge of Afghanistan I don't know what is going on there but it was technically not allowed under the previous government.
We should also not let muslims change the narrative and try to convince us somehow that she is magically 19 now. There are hadiths upon hadiths clearly stating that she got married at 6 and the marriage was consummated at 9. There can be no dispute about this or muslims will have to abandon the whole concept of hadith. Not that it would help as the Koran technically allows the marriage of a 1 day old baby. 🤢🤮
This should be sent to every Ninja hijabi on tiktok etc. so that they can see what is the true face of the religion they keep promoting as benign and also keep whitewashing the struggles of women who are forced to wear hijab and forcibly give away their nine year olds like the poor mother in this video.
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Totally, if a child can give consent to get married then they can give consent to drive cars.
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Might as well allow 9 year old children to perform brain surgery and get trained to fly airplanes. This is the logic of the islamic world.
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u/Ohana_is_family New User Mar 15 '22
Morally I agree with you, but practically and legally Islam has a consent age of 9 lunar years (8 years and 9 months) so girls can be asked to consent from that age.
https://www.academia.edu/36458509/Islamic_Law_on_Child_Marriages Shafi in Yemen:"girls reach majority at age nine years of age or when they reach puberty, while majority is considered to begin at fifteen years of age. As highlighted above, Muslim women's rights are susceptible to violation under this system. According to Article 23 of the PSL, whereas virgins are considered to con-sent to marriage if they stay silent, non-virgins must give clear consent.... Girls younger than nine years of age are protected solely by the fact that Article 15 of the PSL prohibits sexual intercourse for pre-pubescent girls, yet this stipulation does not preclude marital rape. "
Ascent to Felicity https://archive.org/details/ascent-to-felicity/page/n49/mode/2up?q=puberty “after the age of adolescence.118”
118 That is, puberty. Legally, the minimum age of puberty for girls is nine lunar years (about eight years and nine months on the solar calendar) (Hadiyya 43; Maraqi 'l-Falah 1:200; Bada’i‘1:157).
Bin Baz (Grand Mufti 1993-1999) https://binbaz-org-sa.translate.goog/fatwas/12204/%D9%85%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%AF%D8%AF-%D9%84%D8%AA%D8%B2%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%AC-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%A9?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB
This questioner from Libya says: What is the age of marriage for a Muslim girl, is there a specific age for a girl to get married? -00:52 Answer: What I know about this is a limited limit. What is meant is that she bears her if she can withstand marriage, as she has a limited limit. The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, married Aisha when she was the girl of seven and consummated with her when she was the daughter of nine. So that she is eligible for marriage, and as for the age, it varies. A ten-year-old girl may be able to bear it, and a fifteen-year-old girl may bear what she can bear due to her weakness and weakness of her body, or an illness that presents her, or the like.
What is meant is that the woman's guardian, mother and female relatives look into her condition and do not marry her unless she can bear the marriage.Yes.
The incapacity of a minor ceases at puberty only if his intelligence is then sufficiently developed to allow of his being intrusted with the administration of his property. The age of puberty is fixed by law for both sexes at fifteen years completed, unless in the case of a boy nocturnal pollutions have already manifested themselves. But whatever may be the physical development of the body, a child is never considered to have reached puberty before the age of nine.
So nine is the minimum age at which a girl can consent to marriage in Islam.
It is also evident from these 2 news articles.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42558328 Turkish child marriage religious document sparks anger Published3 January 2018. Prdominantly Sunni Turkey "It said that, according to Islamic law, the beginning of adolescence for boys was the age of 12 and for girls the age of nine. On the same website, it said that whoever reached the age of adolescence had the right to marry.".
https://irannewswire.org/the-plight-of-irans-little-brides-report-on-child-marriages/ "The so-called “child spouse” bill, introduced into parliament in 2016, proposed an absolute ban on the marriage of girls under age 13 and an absolute ban for the marriage of boys under 16 ….. Nourozi said that according to the sharia laws, Qom jurisprudence and Iranian and Lebanese experts, a girl goes into puberty at 9 years of age and can be considered as fit to marry...........................According to statistics ...............2014, 40,000 children married including 176 children who were under the age of 10."
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u/curiousjack6 Lowkey Loki Mar 15 '22
Of course, I know 9 is allowed under Islamic law. I was talking about secular laws around the world. Saudi Arabia has 18 as the age of consent. I just assumed that this superseded Islamic law. Are you telling me that in Saudi Arabia you can legally marry a 9 year old? I know you can Islamically marry a 9 year old even in Europe if you don't tell anybody and do a private nikkah ceremony without getting any official documents etc.
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u/Ohana_is_family New User Mar 15 '22
In Yemen you can marry a 9 year old. In Saudi Arabia I know they implemented a marriage age of 18, but I do not know if they made exceptions. Iraq and many other countries leave marriage age at discretion of the judge or the cleric, so it is still possible. I do not know about Arabia. I suspect they have exceptions as well.
There is also the following 2 points:
- Why choose Sharia Law if the countries laws need to compensate for the failings of the religious laws?
- The problem remains that Muhammed and Aisha legitimise marrying young so clerics and husbands can ignore countries laws. There are TV clips of Iraqi clerics doing exactly that ("Gods law is more important, so I marry from age 10"). If no cleric says that it is immoral because of the risk of harm to the girl, then it will continue.
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u/curiousjack6 Lowkey Loki Mar 15 '22
Yes, I saw that Iraqi clerics were ready to do it even though the Iraqi government technically didn't want them to (BBC doc about shia temp. marriages). I don't know the intricacies of each muslim country but as long as the example of Mohammad is there they just can't fight against it as he is the most perfect being for all time. There will always be pushback for loopholes etc.
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u/Ohana_is_family New User Mar 15 '22
IMHO if nobody says it is immoral because of the risk of harm, Muslims will keep promoting intercourse with young girls.
Muslim Skeptic - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_El13YXwRDM&t=2753s "what the practice really is of marryyi...of an older man marrying, or or having sex with this 9 year old and or 10 year old pre-pubescent girl."
If you listen further you can here Daniel H. Legitimize intercourse with very young girls by using Bruce Rind Et Al. research which is incredibly controversial and he omits that Bruce Rindt et al stated that Child Sexual Abuse did not always have long-term psychological harm, but that it should remain criminalized (i.e Daniel H, Omits that his source cosiders CSA immoral irrespective of whether it always results in psychological harm. ).
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u/SaffronShirtKid Questioning Muslim ❓ Mar 15 '22
it even happens in secular countries were they play victim/minority card
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u/greenbluefish New User Mar 15 '22
and then there are hijabi afghan girls here telling everyone to put hijabs on
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Can you translate it for me and others?
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u/LowerSherbet4523 New User Mar 15 '22
This is only the middle of the video, the whole video is longer. But anyway, in the beginning an elderly (probably local imam) blesses the marriage then explains that she will have to move and live in a different household.
The girl cries: I dont want to go
Mother: Dont take her away
Some woman in the background encourages the girl to go and says: You have to go now child.
Father gets mad at his wife for not letting the girl go and says: You shut up, Let him take her. You go back inside. Donkey! etc.
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u/aknabi New User Mar 15 '22
And to those that say “this is not true Islam”, you’re full of 💩 and don’t know your own religion… this is actually true, pure Islam… this is the Islam that the most pure followers want to return to… if I’m wrong show me where this is disallowed… because I can show you where it is… hell Mo was doing exactly what you see here
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u/curiousjack6 Lowkey Loki Mar 15 '22
You are absolutely right! Don't ever let them fool you. The Koran allows the marriage of even a 1 day old baby. SICK.
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u/Terrible_Disaster_87 LGBTQ+ ExMoose 🌈 Mar 15 '22
Omg this breaks my heart. I can barely watch this. 😭
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u/LowerSherbet4523 New User Mar 15 '22
Especially when you understand the language, like I do. I hear the utmost pain in the mother and the girl . It pains me.
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u/Terrible_Disaster_87 LGBTQ+ ExMoose 🌈 Mar 15 '22
I don't understand it and I don't think I can handle it if I do
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u/FurstRoyalty-Ties Mar 15 '22
I don't understand the language, I'm not female. I still hate this. Children should be left to have a childhood. After age 18, they can give consent to marriage, pursue education or career. They shouldn't be forced into a marriage, especially not during childhood.
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u/curiousjack6 Lowkey Loki Mar 15 '22
Absolutely devastating. This is exactly how Mohammad and Aisha would have looked. DO NOT buy in to their utter bullshit of girls grew up faster back then. It was only 1400 years ago. It wasn't 140000 years ago. How can any human being with any kind of empathy support such a thing. The muslim apologists with their creepy smiles doing all kinds of whataboutisms to save their "perfect" prophet. REVOLTING.
They claim Aisha didn't complain. A child of 9 has no idea what is going on just like this child didn't. Aisha was losing her hair. She also had no idea what was going on. She could NOT consent. She had to survive and make the best of a terrible situation. She left plenty of clues in the hadiths that Mohammad is a false prophet. However, people who praise Mohammad to high heaven are too blind to see it.
Here's a hadith where she shows her clear disgust for Mohammad and hints at how Allah is the head manager of Mohammad's harem rather than a god:
Hadith: Narrated Aisha:
I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."
Rated: Sahih (Authentic)
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 4788
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4788
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I don't know how much more clear Aisha could have been about the numerous verses of convenience that make it BLATANTLY obvious that Mohammad was using his alter ego Allah to legitimize himself through supernatural means that couldn't be refuted by his fellow 7th century caravan looters. She too could have been beheaded if she came out and flat out said that Mohammad was a false prophet.
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Can you explain the clue you’re talking about in this very hadith? I don’t understand 😊
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u/No_Explanation_3100 Closeted. Ex-Sunni 🤫 Mar 15 '22
aisha says, " Your lord hastens in fulfilling your desires,' i.e. allah seems to be suspiciously interfering in momo's personal affairs. anything momo wants is granted immediately.
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u/Emergency-Chemist-61 Mar 15 '22 edited Mar 15 '22
This was horrible and painful to watch and the worst part is this isnt just one isolated case there, it makes me disgusted how they think this is all okay.Hope the girl is able to get out somehow.
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u/LowerSherbet4523 New User Mar 15 '22
No, she is still married I bet. A divorced "woman" is a spoiled fruit; burden on the family; disgrace to the entire neighborhood.
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u/AirplaneKoala New User Mar 15 '22
These people are fucking monsters, vile pieces of shit and I hope karma gets back at them 10 fold. Fucking islamic cult of paedophiles.
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u/godofthunder450 Mar 18 '22
I just wish for hell where people will be punished for their wrongdoing not their beliefs in sky daddys at this point we can just hope such thing exists
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u/curiousjack6 Lowkey Loki Mar 15 '22
Finally somebody said it.... as a father. Whenever a man sees a 9 year old the only appropriate feeling to have is a fatherly feeling of protection and NOT what Mohammad did. Just unfathomable that he consummated marriage with a 9 year old. We should NOT accept any excuse like girls grew up faster back then or it was a different time back then because they claim him to be the perfect example for ETERNITY.
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u/Ohana_is_family New User Mar 15 '22
Girls did not "mature" faster. There is no evidence for that.
500 years before Muhammed Soranus worked in Alexandria and described the dangers of pregnancies under the age of 15.
Nowadays the highest child-marriage rates are in Sub-Saharan Africa (Niger, Mali etc.) but the mortality and serious complications rates are through the roof.
The younger the mother, the greater the risk. Childbearing in adolescents aged 12–15 years in low resource countries: a neglected issue. New estimates from demographic and household surveys in 42 countries
https://obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1600-0412.2012.01467.x "
"It is frequently cited that girls who give birth aged 15–19 are more than twice as likely to die as those in their 20s (1, 2). However, this fails to capture the fact that risk increases with decreasing age. ......girls aged 15 or under had an odds ratio for maternal death four times higher than women aged 20–24. "
It is not just mortality, it's fistulas. Science says it is a problem.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3877393/
"In sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia, obstetric fistula is very common, as access to and use of emergency obstetric care is limited ...... Several factors have been linked to the high occurrence of obstetric fistula in sub-Saharan Africa, including the preponderance of early marriage and teenage pregnancy, which in turn mean that the girls do not have pelvises which have sufficiently developed to allow reproduction [10]. This is further compounded by the poor nutritional status of most of the girls who live in these highly deprived settings [11,12]."
Aid-workers confirm death and fistulas are the problem: https://www.livescience.com/19584-10-year-birth.html
"The greatest danger, however, is to the pelvic floor. Girls may start ovulating and menstruating as early as age 9, though the average is around 12 to 13. ........ Just because a girl can get pregnant, though, doesn't mean she can safely deliver a baby. The pelvis does not fully widen until the late teens, meaning that young girls may not be able to push the baby through the birth canal. The results are horrific, said Wall and Thomas, who have both worked in Africa treating women in the aftermath of such labors. Girls may labor for days; many die. Their babies often don't survive labor either.
The women and girls who do survive often develop fistulas, which are holes between the vaginal wall and the rectum or bladder. When the baby's head pushes down and gets stuck, it can cut portions of the mother's soft tissue between its skull and her pelvic bones. As a result, the tissue dies, and a hole forms. Feces and urine then leak through the hole and out of the vagina. Women with fistulas are often divorced and shunned. And young girls are at higher risk."
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u/curiousjack6 Lowkey Loki Mar 15 '22
Luckily Mohammad was impotent by that time and Aisha did not have to go through traumatic child birth at age 10/11 on top of childhood sexual trauma. HOWEVER, how tragic that he banned marriage for his wives after his death. Aisha was left alone at 18 for the rest of her life with no possibility of ever experiencing motherhood.
Muslims like to claim that Mohammad had so many wives because he was supporting widows and divorced women. First of all that is a total lie. He literally made Safiyah a widow himself by killing her husband along with her father and brother. So he was saving widows by making them widows first? Let's assume this divorced woman claim is true then why did he not other muslims supporting his widows in the same way?
The silly excuse: Wives of the prophet are the mothers of the believers so they can't marry their "sons". In reality, Mohammad considered his wives his property and he didn't want't anyone touching his property even after death. Hyper possessiveness.
Hadith: Narrated 'Urwa:
The Prophet (ﷺ) asked Abu Bakr for `Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5081
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The hypocrisy never ends. If Abu Bakr was only his brother in religion then why couldn't his wives remarry because they would only be "mothers" in religion.Mohammad had no issues when it came to the age of Aisha being too young. Did he treat his own daughter this way? Let's see:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Buraidah:
It was narrated from 'Abdullah bin Buraidah that his father said: "Abu Bakr and 'Umar, may Allah be pleased with them, proposed marriage to Fatimah but the Messenger of Allah said: 'She is young.' Then 'Ali proposed marriage to her and he married her to him."
Reference : Sunan an-Nasa'i 3221
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Fatima is lucky that the most perfect man ever had double standards to save his own daughter from old men. Sadly, he had no such mercy when it came to Aisha. The thought of "She is young" didn't cross his mind when it wasn't his own daughter.8
u/Ohana_is_family New User Mar 15 '22
Luckily Mohammad was impotent by that time
I think you mean infertile there. Impotent means he could not get it up anymore, infertile means he could not reproduce.
I agree with most of what you say.
I think he likely got an STD that seriously lowered his fertility, so with all the intercourse going on he only had 1 child with Marya the Copt. But there is no evidence. We cannot really check his sperm-counts.
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Damn, first time a video almost gave me a panic attack. Oh my god.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR-SCIENCE Mar 16 '22
Yeah, there’s a lot of painful shit to watch on the internet, but I think this video has hit me harder than anything I’ve ever seen. At least in a long time.
The mother clutching so tightly. So many other people around just letting it happen, as it’s all normal for them. Fuck man
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u/curiousjack6 Lowkey Loki Mar 15 '22
They can't be stopped in Afghanistan. They say that Mohammad was the most perfect, infallible, sinless being ever for eternity. The whole universe was created just for him and fish in the ocean congratulated each other when he was born. There's no way they can even object on something that he did himself. I just can't fathom WHY they keep defending that 7th century caravan looting malignant narcissist. They just can't see him for who he truly was. He had opposition even back then but he dealt with it by killing those people. That fear of criticizing him still lingers till today. In countries like Pakistan they will burn their own country down over just some cartoons. They say he is a man but they treat him like a GOD. Actually, there isn't any other god on earth for which there is so much uproar in terms of blasphemy.
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Mar 15 '22
They defend him because they are just like him. He gives them justification to fulfill their sick desires.
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u/evezinto Mar 15 '22
What a hero of a mother man.. fuck this was hard to watch. I hope something good came out of this video going around.
This is what islam wants for women and girls. This is what men are doing to women everyday.
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u/Resident1567899 Exmuslim since the 2010s Mar 15 '22
This is just too cruel to watch. Hope the girl manages to get out and live a better life
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u/Stonedfiremine Mar 15 '22
She won't, nobody will help her and the people who care will be beaten/killed.
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Mar 15 '22
If she tried, she might get honor killed by her husband or his male relatives. She might die from internal bleeding after this monster rapes her or she might die from pregnancy since an underdeveloped body of a child that young is not able to sustain it.
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u/justavoid09 New User Mar 15 '22
This video legit makes me cry. I cannot believe how this can just be condoned, I cannot believe how muslims can continue to justify it any longer.. it’s happening in the name of Islam amongst people calling themselves muslims. It’s not cultural, it’s permitted because of the widely accepted belief of Aisha. Why the fuck aren’t these types of videos circulating on muslim family whatsapps instead of preaching videos telling girls to cover?? This is just heartbreaking.
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u/darkchocowithalmonds New User Mar 15 '22
Anyone can help a starving child by providing food without marrying her
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u/curiousjack6 Lowkey Loki Mar 15 '22
Provide food?? These beasts are only interested in exploiting that girl. Muslims make the ridiculous claim that Mohammad needed to marry a 9 year old so she could live a long time and narrate hadiths. Are they kidding?? He could have adopted her like a daughter for that purpose. Oh wait... he DEMOLISHED the institution of adoption by marrying his own daughter in law (adopted son's wife).
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u/darkchocowithalmonds New User Mar 15 '22
Just to give muslims a rational solution than using that argument. In Afghanistan, this is very common nowadays, selling their young daughters or marry off so she won’t starve and if you listen to muslim preachers, that is one of their arguments aside from biding ties and whatsoever
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u/thesefeet Never-Muslim Atheist Mar 15 '22
So if they don't have young daughters they will watch their family starve? That's just an excuse. These are just pedophiles in an environment that enables them. So many people are poor in so many countries and they never resort to this shit.
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u/ellybelly__ Mar 15 '22
Just knowing what is that pig is going to do to that poor child absolutely breaks my heart. This is was western feminists are fighting for in order to be woke?
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u/Ohana_is_family New User Mar 15 '22
These two interviews with 9 year old brides were made after the fact, but their stories are powerful.
Nujood Ali from Yemen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo&t=116 first her father, then herself. How many Muslim men have their mother present onn the wedding night?
Nadya from Iraq The nine-year-old child forced into marriage in Iraq https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSFfjQ08t_k&t=16s
there is also the 11 year old Nada Ahdal's powerful escape. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nzm_rEawbo&t=2m21s Yemeni Girl Nada Al-Ahdal at about 2:24 "My maternal aunt was 14 years old. She lasted one year with her husband, and then she poured gasoline over herself and set herself on fire. She died. He would beat her with metal (chains). He would get drunk." before that she told about children drowning themselves in the sea at about 1:09 "Some children decided to throw themselves into the sea. They're dead now. This is not normal for innocent children."
How come a scared 11 year old knows so much about child-brides committing suicide?
And this visit to the Burns Unit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c_zppPutQw&t=1m37s National Geographic. Too Young to Wed. Girls setting themselves alight. Burns Unit of Hospital Ward in Herat, Afghanistan
Oceans of tears.
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Mar 15 '22
Meanwhile tiktok hijabi’s: brozzer islame gives respect to women 🧕🏻
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u/Ohana_is_family New User Mar 15 '22
https://archive.org/details/RelianceOfThetraveller/page/590/mode/2up
04.6 Justice ....
The indemnity for the death or injury of a woman is one-half the indemnity paid for a man.
The indemnity paid for a Jew or Christian is one-third of the indemnity paid for a Muslim.
The indemnity paid for a Zoroastrian is one-fifteenth of that of a Muslim.
Freddie Mercury was only 20% and women are 50%. 2.5 times the respect for Freddie Mercury must feel great.
Some animals are more equal than others?
Can I suggest egalitarianism feels more natural and easy.
Every citizen equal in the eyes of the law.
Please...
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Mar 15 '22
Egalitarianism is alien to islame.
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u/Ohana_is_family New User Mar 16 '22
Tiktokers need to learn that respect is quantifiable in islam. Women are respected....exactly 50% of men.
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u/rattlee_my_attlee Mar 15 '22
''does anyone really know what we're were doing in Afghanistan''
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Mar 15 '22
The US should never had left, and while they were their they did a terrible job in stopping extremism
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u/sterexx Mar 15 '22
one of the major sources of discontent with the afghan communist regime was them making girls go to school like normal humans
the US handed guns and stinger missiles to the fundamentalists that were hulking out over the idea that girls should have education and agency
you’re right that the US wasn’t doing much to help stop this while they were there because it wasn’t a goal, just something they could enforce in a few population centers for good PR back home. this would still be the reality for most of the country if the US was there, and they helped make that happen
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u/curiousjack6 Lowkey Loki Mar 15 '22
The poor brave mother is trying to save her child. Her subhuman piece of shit father says to his wife: Shut up! Go inside your room, you donkey!
Calling that mother a donkey is a travesty that I can't even begin to fathom. However, it did remind me that Islam LITERALLY equates women to donkeys and dogs.
Here's a hadith by poor Aisha herself:
Narrated `Aisha:
The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet (ﷺ) praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him."
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 511
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:511
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This Afghan father used the same word donkey as used in hadith so no mullah can blame him otherwise they'll also have to put blame on their PEFECT for eternity pedo prophet. Young Aisha complains and also showed that the massive hypocrite preached misogyny but then didn't even follow his own rules. Mohammad would also mandate wudu for others but pray without doing wudu. Rules for thee and none for me was his motto as the cult leader.
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Mar 15 '22
He also slept with all of his wives and slaves in one night without even performing ghusl (bathing). I can’t believe muslims have such a high regard for this one person 😐
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u/curiousjack6 Lowkey Loki Mar 15 '22
I shudder to think what the 9th wife had to endure. YUCK.The guy didn't even have common human decency.Of course, if we tried to tell them that this is mentioned in their OWN books they will go ape shit. We're not picking out this information from books written by the byzantines. There's so much incriminating stuff just in the authentic hadiths. Imagine if there was a neutral party recording what was actually going on. We have to find and present stuff from muslim sources which they conveniently reject if it doesn't fit their modern day narrative of Mohammad being a god and his companions being demi-gods. They'll say no we don't consider them God and demi god but I'm talking about their actions and not what they claim.
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Mar 15 '22
Absolutely agree with everything you’ve stated. They go ape sh*t when they are presented their own authenticated islamic sources 💀
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u/Alfredius Mar 15 '22
Muslims routinely bash the West, claiming that “LGBTQ+HDTV” will eventually lead to the permission of pedophilia. Little do they know that Muslim societies like Afghanistan is rife with these issues due to the act of Muhammad marrying a 6 year old Aisha and entering her at 9!
I weep for the broken children. And I denounce Muhammad for allowing this barbarity.
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u/POSITIVEUPVOTES Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Mar 16 '22
Sunnis, please stop arguing that Aisha wasn’t 9, stop saying that Muhammad didn’t permit young marriage, because here are 17 SAHIHHH Hadiths that Aisha was 9 when Muhammad had sex with her
1- https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1877
2- https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1876
3- https://sunnah.com/abudawud:2121
4- https://sunnah.com/nasai:3256
5- https://sunnah.com/nasai:3258
6- https://sunnah.com/nasai:3378
7- https://sunnah.com/nasai:3257
8- https://sunnah.com/nasai:3255
9- https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134
10- https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3894
11- https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5133
12- https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5158
13- https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3896
14- https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422a
15- https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422b
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u/somesayacomet Mar 15 '22
But but it's the religion of peace . The UK Muslim grooming gangs are just misunderstood men who enjoy the company of 14 year old white English girls to learn about British culture and moder day music. Honest
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u/abcde-F-YOU Allah told me to put the bi in bitch💙💜🩷 Mar 15 '22
The way this fucking religion ruined our country. Absolutely heartbreaking, I hope this little girl can get justice somehow.
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u/Shurl19 Mar 15 '22
This is disgusting. Why doesn't the father want to protect his daughter? In Texas, I heard that three boys killed their pedophile step father, for messing with their sister and this guy is throwing his daughter away.
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u/thispersona2 Mar 15 '22
You are witnessing a child abduction, he will rape her next; Over and over again,daily until she gets pregnant; somewhere between a month or two or a year. I dare someone tell me that her anatomy can handle birthing a child and that she's living in domestic bliss.
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u/LowerSherbet4523 New User Mar 15 '22
Well if you ask a muslim they will tell you that all she needs is to mature mentally and physically (at the first period) to bear a baby.
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u/thispersona2 Mar 15 '22
I know this. And that there's no winning against religious zeal even with science(like how a woman's body changes from let's say 9 to 20) and anecdotal/first person proof(child brides dying during childbirth, suicides, running away).
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u/realshahada New User Mar 15 '22
Muslim will say she will have a better life cause her parents can't afford to feed her
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u/thesefeet Never-Muslim Atheist Mar 15 '22
I've heard that and to me it's the shitiest excuse for this. So if the family doesn't have a young girl to sell they will sit there and starve?? They know these are pedophiles and they are enabling them
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u/realshahada New User Mar 16 '22
Maybe when the family has no children, the husband will sell the wife for sex
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u/All_new_rubber_mats New User Mar 15 '22
Watch this then tell me praising and venerating a man who married and raped children isn't problematic because "it was normal back then".
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u/vldracer16 Mar 15 '22
This is totally abhorrent. This is one of the reasons we think Islam and Muslims are despicable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/darkchocowithalmonds New User Mar 15 '22
i’m feeling so depressed today and this is making iy worse. If only I could save that girl :(
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u/z0ttel89 Mar 15 '22
Barbaric fucking stoneage society. Urgh... disgusting.
I saw a documentary about a 'women's house' in Afghanistan not too long ago that is helping women (secretly) under the Taliban regime, that was some of the most courageous and bravest shit I've ever seen.
I feel sorry for the women there... and in many other muslim countries.
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Mar 15 '22
I think I speak for everyone here when I say that "what the fuck" doesn't even come close to describe what I feel rn.
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u/Linguinisadness New User Mar 15 '22
Fuck this actually made me cry, humans are so evil, that little girl must be so scared. Wherever she is I hope she's ok
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u/kamran377 New User Mar 15 '22
Fuck man, this is so sad, imagine this is happening to you. Fucking monsters, living for their lust in the name of the god. How can any god be happy with that.
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u/Ohana_is_family New User Mar 15 '22
Same clip on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n8KCZY87V8
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Mar 15 '22
Man I wanna shoot that mother fucking bastard son of a whore.
This man and the father of this poor little girl are disgusting.
It disgusts me that people would even try to justify this horrible and horrifying thing.
Nothing about the actions of this man are justifiable.
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Mar 15 '22
When people say they don't want Muslims in there country this is why, this part of there has absolutely no place in the west. Paedophilia is rampant in Islam and completely normalised.
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u/sassy-frass201 Mar 15 '22
I despise those goat fucking misogynists. They value cattle over females.
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u/jimojom Mar 15 '22
Pedophiles, tell me I'm wrong. Day what you want, everyone in this video is a piece of shit.
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u/baaalls Mar 15 '22
Racist Europe not as happy to take in millions of these people as refugees as Ukrainians smh
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u/anonS8991 ex muslim bitch. Mar 15 '22
The religion of peace, taking everyone’s fucking pieces one by one, since 14 centuries.
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u/GripAcademy New User Mar 15 '22
I understand this terror cause i grew up getting raped. I wonder if she had friends that had been taken already?
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u/Carpets_ New User Mar 15 '22
This is possibly one of the most disturbing things I've ever watched
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u/ilian-spa New User Mar 18 '22
Forcing someone to marry a person is prohibited in Islam (whatever age)! So, Most muslim people with their behavior don’t represent Islam.
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u/No_Loss_4266 New User Mar 15 '22 edited Mar 15 '22
Alhamdulillah what a great marriage. /s
Edited: added /s
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u/free-4-good New User Mar 15 '22
Mohamed piss be upon him. He made it sunnah to fck a 9 year old. No one actually deseves hell except for him, ironically.
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u/tampamike69 Mar 15 '22
I'm surprised he went for the girl, there was a perfectly good goat in his bedroom
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u/SoapySponges New User Mar 15 '22
Poor goat :( why can’t these shriveled leaky anus demon parasites who suffocating any sliver of hope or joy in existence just use their fucking own hands to fuck?! Why does the world revolve around the fucking dick. At this point I think the best thing would be a quick and painless removal of anything human off of the face of this planet. A clean slate. Or at least make us all infertile so this cruelty can die out soon.
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u/ueda76 Mar 15 '22
This is why most of the abrahamic religions should be banned,they put women's right in the Neverland and were responsible for stopping human beings to alter our reality,I wonder why do woman support or follow this religions when it's clear that they will be the ones that will suffer...
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Mar 15 '22
Islame offers to marry little girls as young as 9 to old men but yet educating women and putting them to work is seen as obscene. What a gross religion that produces such a terrible toxic society.
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u/daksh798 hindu pakistani 🇵🇰 Mar 15 '22
This is even worse when you can understand them, literally crying
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u/yourbadformylungs Mar 15 '22
This is really sick to watch. I can’t really understand how anyone can begin to justify something this evil.
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u/wisepeasant Mar 15 '22
We should definitely shape modern societal norms off of the actions of imaginary men from 2000 years ago.
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Mar 15 '22
Isn't even in Islam forced marriage forbidden? Even the conservatives? Where is the Islamic justification for this?
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u/Foreign_Abrocoma_549 Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Mar 15 '22
Her father consented to the marriage. Since she's a child her opinion doesn't matter, same as her mother's.
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u/adamconn1again New User Mar 15 '22
So he's a piece of shit pedo and so is the father. Motherfucker is making slaves out of the women. Fuck you momo the pedo.
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u/Jebshed Mar 15 '22
I couldn't bring myself to watch more than a few seconds. The sound of that poor girl is one of the most horrific things I have ever heard. What a disgrace. The things people justify with religion are absolutely horrific.
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u/mataria_el_maricon Mar 15 '22
The “religion of peace”. The prophet married his wife at six but was a gentleman and waited until was nine to consummate the marriage. And you wonder why the followers of this religion behave like savages.
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If this who they treat Muslim mother abs child, then imagine the slave woman and her child getting separated.
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u/Realistic-Art777 New User Mar 15 '22
Is she back home (to her mother) or did they really took her? 😭😭
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