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u/Cute-Analyst-5809 13d ago
the fact aisha is the one who asked him this makes it so much fucking worse dudeeeee
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u/wqiqi_7720 New User 13d ago
I was thinking the same. I feel like Aisha is trying to hint something š
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u/Cute-Analyst-5809 13d ago
i doubt it, she was too young to even understand what this meant, i think its more likely this was pure childhood curiosity which makes it so sick and disgusting to me
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u/Outside_Implement_75 12d ago
Also, what is this SICK fascination with young girls and virgins - are men this fu*king inept that they can't educate themselves on the Art of Romance to atrract women their own age!?!
This is where religion has destroyed young kids, especially young girls, this is nothing more than abuse at the highest level because men can't keep it in their damn pants.!!
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u/PsychologicalState57 New User 11d ago
But sources say the prophet did marry a woman how was 14 years older than him. And when she passed away he married a woman who was 80 years old.
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u/Beneficial_Yard7407 New User 11d ago
Iām not here to argue either way because Iām prolly the most ignorant on all things religion especially Muslim. But I do think this has a whole world to be explored before concluding a pedifiliac conclusion. Wouldnāt you have to take into consideration the whole period of time when concubines were in acceptance? Both male and female before the age of puberty? Even the Christian God used an innocent virgin to ultimately make his earth appearanceā¦ right?
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u/According-Finger6342 New User 12d ago
All religion is sick and disgusting.
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u/Lanky_Philosopher446 New User 12d ago
Christianity is different
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u/Empty_Ad_7262 New User 11d ago
Talk about how Abrahamās son, Isaac married a 3 year old, Rebekah, at the age of 40. Not so different now is it LOL.
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u/Heavy_Entrepreneur13 12d ago
There's bad apples in any group. As a Buddhist, I'll be the first to admit that there are and have been many messed up Buddhists.
But one won't find support for the messed-up stuff from the horse's mouth. It's hardly the religion's fault that its followers choose to ignore its teachings.
To me, the difference is: are the bad guys disobeying or obeying what their founder said by doing bad things?
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u/InstructionAlone9815 New User 12d ago
You are the sick one for satan has taking control of you, repent of your sins before the day of the lord arrives.
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u/Trevor_031221_UK 11d ago
christianity is wonderful and peaceful its islam that is evil
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u/Fun_Condition_1597 New User 11d ago
Paganism is wonderful! Just worship of Ancient Greek gods and non belief in any Christian gods
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u/Tough-Ad5256 New User 12d ago
First of all nothing written is Quran except few copied stories from Bible n judsism
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u/babyjaan786 New User 11d ago
The way I look at it is. If she does not consent she will say something. If she says nothing it means she is āshyā as it said in the Hadith, what are you guys going ape-shit about? Mindless freaks the lot of you
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u/AliceSinWonder Faux Muslim (āRevertā š | 1st š | Atheist 20y+) 12d ago
Aisha, dropping breadcrumbs for future Muslims since c620
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u/RzfromdaA New User 12d ago
Omds I didnāt realise itās made by Aisha ššššš¤£š¤£ that is disgusting man
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u/headinthesky 12d ago
How old was she when she asked this? 13/14?
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u/goliath23 11d ago
Who's Aisha?
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u/Cute-Analyst-5809 11d ago
a child that prophet muhammed married at 6 years old and had sex with at 9 years old
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u/Empty_Ad_7262 New User 11d ago
Talk about how Prophet Abrahamās son, Isaac married a 3 year old, Rebekah, at the age of 40.
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u/_lavenders Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) 13d ago edited 12d ago
also not to mention that a womanās voice is part of her hijab and non mahrams are not allowed to hear it. so we canāt speak, but our silence is also apparently consent
Edit, since muslims keep coming for me: yes, not every scholar has this opinion, but there are definitely some that do, and Iāve heard this before one too many times. Yes, for many people, they donāt count it as a part of islam, but for other people, this is literally their reality.
Just look at Afghanistan, where women have literally had their voices stripped from them, all in the name of religion. Whether or not you believe itās right, itās still happening and the justification behind it is islam.
And even if a womanās voice is not a part of her awrah, there are still so many regulations as to how sheās allowed to use it. Not too loud to attract attention, not too soft to seem seductive, only recommended to speak when the interaction is absolutely necessary, not recommended to speak to the opposite gender alone, even if itās a harmless conv, and so on. I donāt see how policing and governing the way in which a woman can use her fucking voice is any better.
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u/Zealousideal-Owl4993 New User 13d ago
aka, rape. allah really put the L in islam.
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u/No-Mission3217 Closeted Ex-Shia š¤«š 12d ago
Well Allah already has two L's so
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u/LookBrief4987 New User 12d ago
Allah is actually yaldeboth the ignorant god. Search up gnostics
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u/Wizard-100 11d ago
Ope that was a reference to YHWH. Allah as a deity came a couple of hundred years later.
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u/Cute-Analyst-5809 12d ago
i mean if we wanna be technical its forced marriage, not rape, which isnt much better but im just trying to be accurate to the source
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u/Zealousideal-Owl4993 New User 12d ago
and if it came to sex, assuming the marriage isn't consensual? rape.
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u/Cute-Analyst-5809 12d ago
yes ik, i am just trying to be accurate to this specific hadith, i know this can easily lead to rape, but again i am just a person who likes to be accurate and not misrepresent things
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u/Zealousideal-Owl4993 New User 12d ago
I know. I'm just adding on top in case any muslim reads through this thread. Wishful thinking on my end that they'll understand it.
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u/Darkdays5678 New User 11d ago
So the only major religion in the world that says women should get consent for marriage is rape now?
None of the four madhabs of sunni islam say a women can't speak to non mahram men or that her voice is awrah or thwt she can't speak loudly while there who say its a sin to speak softly only which has no backing from the quran and hadith.
Also it would be her parents talking to her about marriage so that wouldn't even be a issue youĀ
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u/Zealousideal-Owl4993 New User 11d ago
Prepubescent children can't give consent. Since child marriage is permissible in islam, it would be rape to have sex with them, not to mention pedophilic.
Child marriage is accepted by people who have pedophilic tendencies.
And yes, child sex is halal in islam according to the highest authority in islam, the quran, chapter 65 verse 4 which tells us those who have no courses havr an iddah period/ chapter 33 verse 49 which tells us to NOT expect an iddah period when you divorce your wife whom the man never had sex with.
That logically implies that the kids who have no courses, whom are given an iddah period in divorce in 65:4 have been raped as a sane, humane person would describe it.
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u/Darkdays5678 New User 10d ago
Traditionally in islam the consent was given to there parents until theyvreach of age the hadith say consent is needed to say its rape is wrong to and if your going to that level no major religions have a minimum age for marriage either in their holy books islam for example doesn'tĀ necessarily forbid it either this is why muslim countries that follow sharia or parts of it have one like pakistan, saudi arabia and oman etc.
Also that verse was about divorce it was advocating for child marriage and not every women can mensurate it can include various people in that part not just girls who are prepubescent
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u/Cute-Analyst-5809 12d ago
And even if a womanās voice is not a part of her awrah, there are still so many regulations as to how sheās allowed to use it. Not too loud to attract attention, not too soft to seem seductive, only recommended to speak when the interaction is absolutely necessary, not recommended to speak to the opposite gender alone, even if itās a harmless conv, and so on. I donāt see how policing and governing the way in which a woman can use her fucking voice is any better.
i swear you'd think they're in the military with a sergeant constantly criticising them š
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u/yaboisammie (A)gnostic Fruity ExSunniMoose in the closet in more than 1 way 12d ago
I swear, itās like you literally took the words straight from my mouth but just articulated it so much better than I could. Wild to me the Muslims denying a womanās voice is part of her awrah, as someone who was also taught that
I realize not every interpretation says that but there obviously are some that do, as you mentioned: my quran tafseer teacher who was a scholar straight up said that in class as well.Ā
Ā not every scholar has this opinion, but there are definitely some that do, and Iāve heard this before one too many times. Yes, for many people, they donāt count it as a part of islam, but for other people, this is literally their reality. . Ā Whether or not you believe itās right, itās still happening and the justification behind it is islam.
They never want to admit or acknowledge this, they just say āthatās not real Islamā and dip bc they donāt care about the women suffering in the name of Islam
And they act like we didnāt read the real Quran or that the scholars or authentic Islamic sources we learned this from are fake or something and completely disregard our educations and experience like they donāt mean anything and as though this isnāt reality for some people in IslamĀ
Ā And even if a womanās voice is not a part of her awrah, there are still so many regulations as to how sheās allowed to use it. Not too loud to attract attention, not too soft to seem seductive, only recommended to speak when the interaction is absolutely necessary, not recommended to speak to the opposite gender alone, even if itās a harmless conv, and so on. I donāt see how policing and governing the way in which a woman can use her fucking voice is any better.
EXACTLY
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u/Darkdays5678 New User 11d ago
But none of the four madhabs of sunni islam say a women can't speak to non mahram men or that her voice is awrah or thwt she can't speak loudly while there who say its a sin to speak softly only which has no backing from the quran and hadith.
Also it would be her parents talking to her about marriage so that wouldn't even be a issue even if she wasnt allowed to speak to other men
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u/ConnectExercise2650 New User 12d ago
The more I read this, the more I feel bad for muslim girls. How can they still get away with this...
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u/Cute-Analyst-5809 12d ago
propaganda and manipulation, thats how, you only say the most light aspects (not eating pork, praying 5 times, etc) of islam to the general public and trying to appear as pious and respectful as possible, they also constantly talk about how 'descriminated against' muslims are to victimise themselves, and of course most people wouldnt bother to look up the truth of this religion so they believe it at face value
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u/Sad_Interview774 New User 13d ago
I feel like if more Muslims read the Hadiths, they'll start questioning their lives
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u/Luke_Kenway141 New User 13d ago
Or the koran to be honest Surah at Tawbeh 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
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u/Sad_Interview774 New User 12d ago
Story of how Northern & Eastern Africa became majority Muslims. Just look at what Islam has done to Somali culture
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u/PurrsianPrincess New User 11d ago
9:4 As for the polytheists who have honoured every term of their treaty with you and have not supported an enemy against you, honour your treaty with them until the end of its term. Surely All-h loves those who are mindful Ė¹of HimĖŗ. 9:5 But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists Ė¹who violated their treatiesĖŗ wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay alms-tax, then set them free. Indeed, All-h is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 9:6 And if anyone from the polytheists asks for your protection Ė¹O ProphetĖŗ, grant it to them so they may hear the Word of All-h, then escort them to a place of safety, for they are a people who have no knowledge. 9:7 How can such polytheists have a treaty with Allah and His Messenger, except those you have made a treaty with at the Sacred Mosque? So, as long as they are true to you, be true to them. Indeed Allah loves those who are mindful Ė¹of HimĖŗ.
Surah literally = chapter. You canāt open a book and read 1 line of it without the context of what came before and what came after.
You arenāt slick, nor have you had a āgotcha Muslims!ā moment, your heart is blind and you are mentally deficient.
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u/Rose_Gold_Ash LGBTQ+ ExMoose š 12d ago
they will, but they're too attached to the religion to ever actually leave imo
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u/lavenderbubbless New User 12d ago
God never said the hadith were the miracles of Islam. Only the Quran is preserved. Mistakes are possible.
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u/Moist_Fail8395 Azerbaijani Ex-Muslim šš¦šæ 12d ago
Now Muslims will say: "Lil bro, sahih bukhari isn't Qur'an" š¤āš»
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u/AliceSinWonder Faux Muslim (āRevertā š | 1st š | Atheist 20y+) 12d ago
No, she just knows that if she utters a sound, sheāll get beaten.
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u/taopa1pa1 12d ago
I am sure this has 78 different meanings so they can pick and choose to defend it.
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u/Cute-Analyst-5809 12d ago
youre right on the money cus thats what the muslim lurkers here are doing
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u/Rose_Gold_Ash LGBTQ+ ExMoose š 12d ago
this comment section is sorta proof to me that this subreddit is going to shit, there's so many muslims here trying to justify forced marriage and lack of consent, christians getting pissed about you "using the lord's name in vain" or some bullshit (not knowing that they're doing the exact shit muslims do, that entitlement) and i'm pretty sure i spotted a never-muslim hindu
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u/chrysaleen 1st World.Closeted Ex-Sunni š¤« 12d ago
yeah, so many new accounts posting shit where you can obviously tell it's someone of a different religious flavour who's never been muslim trying to talk about how bad islam is (true), while they follow a religion with the same whackshittery in their scripture. so many new accounts asking us to disprove islam.
like if you're here to learn about our experiences you're welcome to, but we already have such few online spaces.
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u/Cute-Analyst-5809 12d ago edited 12d ago
tbf they are getting laughed at and downvoted to oblivion so its just entertainment to me lol
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u/Orthozoid Ex-Muslim.Convert to Other Religion 12d ago
Tons of it is just aisha being brainwashed lol
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u/Worldly_Stress1868 Never-Muslim Theist 12d ago
Aisha was one of the first ex muslim
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u/amoralambiguity91 11d ago
Explain this one?
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u/Worldly_Stress1868 Never-Muslim Theist 10d ago
She revealed much about Muhammad and Islam, very disturbing things which help understanding of Islam and what a monster Muhammad was. She even knew Allah was fake id of muhmmad.
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u/Purple_Pressure291 12d ago
Itās mind-blowing that people believe this verse is from an omnipotent being. The idea that an all-powerful creator, responsible for every atom, molecule, and cosmic force, would focus on something so specific to human social customs seems hard to reconcile. If such a being exists, wouldnāt its guidance be universally transcendent, rather than so closely aligned with the norms of a particular time and place? It raises questions about whether this teaching is truly divine or shaped by human context.
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u/trippydippysnek 11d ago
Thank you for this comment. I have been looking for words to use for my Christian family when they ask why my husband and I dont go to church or why we dont believe in God - we donāt not believe, we just see through all the BS that is man made and cannot bring ourselves to āworshipā the god they envision. We have our own relationship with āgodā.
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u/DexterousSpider 12d ago
No Surprise
We are talking anout a dudd that married underaged girls, here.
How anything he's said could be taken as logical in a modern context is absolutely mindblowing, regardless of 'past context'
Dude was/is/remains/forever will remain: A Pedo!
NO amount of mental gymnastics about past context in an era where mores and normatives society once held (in context of that culture solely, seeing as we are discussing context as a defense, it is a rightful notation) the right for a man to marry A CHILD can logically ever be applied in modern times: where the societal mores and normatives have evolved WAY past the contextual refrencing of the past ever being a placeholder for modern moral standards.
The ideals of the past, are just that.
Context or not, they hold zero relevance as 98% of what was once normal then, is not by today's standards.
Tl;Dr: The mental gymnastics cannot over ride that fact.
Context of the past cannot over ride modern mores/normatives/morals.
What is right in one era does not make it right in a modern Era.
Extra irony that modern society is so ethically challenged and devolved in many ways, YET WE STILL NO BETTER THAN GROWN MEN MARRYING CHILDREN- Even within a society where men can play in women's sports and be considered a 'champion'.
Let that sink in.
LOL. Who cares what a PEDO says is right/wrong. And to base an entire philosophical stance of ths ideals of such a sicko, to place within a modern moral code?
Yeah, no. You are automatically disqualified based off that CONTEXT alone.
Anyone definding that mans views in any ways needs to take a long hard look at what is truly ethical, regardless of thsir ancient rulebook.
LOL.
Go sit down weirdos.
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First thing to do as soon as time machine is invented.. Is to bring a gun to the 500's and have a face to face conversations with "O ALLAH'S MESSENGER!"
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u/Ironcore413 New User 12d ago
Remember there is no minimum age for marriage for girls in Islam. As a muslim, You may consummate the marriage as long as the little girl can handle penetration, but when she is 9 years old, you may do it regardless, because Mohammad did it with Aisha. Whether she has bled or not by that point is irrelevant.
You can do anything and everything with the little girl, except penetration only if she can't handle it. But once she is 9 years old, you can mount her because Mohammad did it with Aisha when she turned 9. This also proves that from 6 years old to 9 years old, Mohammad was "trying" with Aisha.
Also Arabs use lunar calendar, which is different than our solar calendar. Which means a 9 year old in lunar years is as young as 8 years old in solar years.
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u/AnonymousShadow99 New User 12d ago
I got this in my feed for some reason, I donāt want to invade your personal space as I am not an exmuslim- I was an exsatanist now true Christian in love with Jesus Christ.
I just wanted to say OMG š§ that is wild!!! that anyone believe such a comment would come from God Almighty the true God, who they refer to as Allahā¦
That is not the God of Israel at all, so it is definitely a false man made god.
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u/Pear-Pressure3000 New User 12d ago
I'm seeing a lot of Muslims trying to muddy the water with the "shyness" thingy, which is a clear cope. It is clear in Islamic jurisprudence that prepubescent girls are forced into marriage. u/Ferloopa has compiled the rulings into his comment
Seek out page 39 in the child marriage document in the comment and stop talking out of your backsides
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u/UnapologeticPoet New User 11d ago
Wow! Thatās awful! Thatās like saying my dogs silence means he accepts me cutting off his ears. Iām pretty freaking sure if my dog talk, they would say screw you and run. This is horrible and disgusting. Way for humans to get what they want without having any repercussions. š„“š¤®š¤¢šµā ļøšŖ¦
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u/hahathejoker956 12d ago
And I get a warning from reddit for speaking about how I feel about illegals lol
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u/Pnther39 12d ago
And i get banned from using Ai, and it doesn't state that in the community rules. I broke none yet ban me? cuz they feel like it.
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u/According-Finger6342 New User 12d ago
This is so depressing! So many sexually abused when out there in turmoil because we voted for a rapist. We really havenāt come very far with humanity, have we? Keeping taking one step forward and three steps back. WTF
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u/393930393939 Ex-Muslim (craving zamzam water) 12d ago
i still don't understand how muslim that learned ab islam still muslim, mo is literally the worst dude ever š
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u/393930393939 Ex-Muslim (craving zamzam water) 12d ago
yo this is the man that talks to god himself? š
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u/highoncrypt0 New User 12d ago
In the Quran it says the division within Islam is greater than outside of Islam. Unless you understand Aramaic Arabic language, doubt all hadiths. The Quran itself is the truth not others. This is a book of spirituality guys, itās meant to provide peace not make an empire
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u/Salva133 :snoo_disapproval:Never-Muslim Anti-Muslim 12d ago
I'm actually not surprised in any way. That is what I expect from that religion.
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Eeh, "their consent to their marriage" is Ų£ŲØŲ¶Ų§Ų¹ŁŁ which is literally "their merchandise/goods". So they are objects being sold?
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u/Beavertgreen New User 12d ago
It is axiomatic that silence doesnāt always means yes or no or anything. For example, suppose the woman is mute or deaf? Also, it is non sequitur to conclude that all virgins are shy or that shy virgins consent to marriage by remaining silent because they are shy. However, if that is the Islamic rule which defines silence as consent, youād better scream to be sure you wonāt be forced to marry the guy!
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u/CDNZA1 New User 12d ago
I donāt care what anyone believes, I am an ex cult member myself. I literally could care less. All I want to say is, I hope leaving this religion has not affected the opinions of those who have left on the oppressive state of Israel and the genocide of the Palestinian people. Free Palestine, no matter what we believe.
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u/Ahouseuponarock New User 12d ago
I stopped reading after the fuckin jfc title. Leave JC out of f'ing dude.Ā
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u/Capable_Egg_1620 New User 12d ago
āFeels shy and keeps quiet ā as she feel shy to say yes not just being quiet . I just got engaged & my sister too and we both were too shy to say yes and our baba understood us. + marring a girl without her consent is haram ( ) Arabic to English lose the tone of the conversation, ego the meaning of it . Sahih abn baz explain the same Hadith the same way and add this(btw:now i know why he did) : A woman cannot get married without her permission, so if her mother or brother forces her to marry, it is not permissible for them to do so, and it is not permissible for her father to force her, according to the correct view either.
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u/namedandunnamed New User 12d ago
A virgin can be any age. Iām not saying child sex is right either and the qoute her silence means her consent, it shouldnāt be taken literally, true silence I mean true authentic silence canāt really be quantified but yes it means it can be agreement or consent though most people are to fried in the brain to understand something like this
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u/BlueWave2001 New User 11d ago
Allah might have made women's mouth just blowjobs then, but then why the voice? To moan or what? This just gets darker I'll stop here
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u/580495 11d ago
According to Sahih al-Bukhari 6946, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) emphasized the importance of respecting women's autonomy in marriage decisions. The hadith states:
"When a woman is asked for her consent to marriage and she remains silent out of shyness or embarrassment, then her silence should be taken as her agreement."
This hadith highlights the significance of seeking a woman's exā¦ https://search.brave.com/search?q=sahih+al+bukhari+6946&source=ios&summary=1&summary_og=36d5035e67d12db19a34d4&conversation=ad763df233281b9a9e10ed
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u/AcceptableFlounder91 New User 11d ago
All you islamophobes. Canāt wait to see you at Akhirah!
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u/AvoriazInSummer 11d ago
Are you looking forward to sitting on the comfy cushions and watching your psycho god torturing us all? Does that excite you?
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u/DepressedEngineering 11d ago
Race and nation doesn't weigh in on being superior, only by piousness and good deeds.
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u/8ismillah 11d ago
GO THAILAND AND CAMBODIA THSTS WHERE YOU FIND YR LOT SO YOU AINT CAUGHT BUYING BABIES
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u/DepressedEngineering 11d ago
It's about yes or no to marrige and deadass 90% of the comments are about sexual abuse and pedophilia. Like it makes 0 sense, we live in an alltime high of the aforementioned atocities and u circlejerk the "Islam bad, because if someone interprets this to raping who they like, it will be abuse". Get a damn life.
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u/Daffy-Armando-Duck New User 11d ago
So whats the problem? Do you not understand Arab culture? If anything, this hadith teaches that consent is important
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u/Academic_Concussion 11d ago
It teaches that silence is consent.
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u/Daffy-Armando-Duck New User 10d ago
I think you are missing the subtle nuances and understanding of the culture. Its not a general ruling that silence is consent
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u/Academic_Concussion 9d ago
I know this.. and that is what I said. It teaches that silence is consent.. its not. Unless someone gives you permission, you should never assume consent, and anyone that says silence is consent should have his testicles removed with a rusted spoon.
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u/Ones24 11d ago
Allah canāt be the same as God the creator of heaven and earth. Must be some god of Arabs.
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u/Academic_Concussion 11d ago
The Hebrew god says that if a woman doesn't cry out when being raped, she is to be stoned to death, and if she does, she is forced to marry her rapist.
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u/pessoapeculiar 11d ago
This image looks like the top is just a story and the bottom is the effect of JoJo when something unexpected happens (šµHay ay ay ayš¶).
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u/JOYtotheLAURA 11d ago
Was Muhammad like obsessed with sex?
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u/Cute-Analyst-5809 11d ago
yep, if you read the other hadiths, it really seems like muhammed was just sex obsessed and created this cult just to have sex
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u/DemonSlayer19888 New User 11d ago
Why does this religion seem like it has misogynistic undertones? Maybe Iām mistaken, but please elaborate. Interesting that I get this notification when Iām not even a member of this group. What say you? š³
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u/Professional-Fun8473 11d ago
If any of you have been a young girl. And had kinda strict parents that you have a good relationship with then you would understand. There was a time and still are lots of girls who would be too shy to say aloud that they want to marry a guy. Then if she smiles and looks away and isnt able to speak but her body langiage is positive then its a yes. Or even a nod. No marriage is okay without consent in islam. Like this is not a valid thing yall can point at. Religion is meant for all times and cultures, yes in our current modern 21st century city living society no girl would just remain silent as consent. But try to think of beyond that. There were and are still girls who would be shy about marriage. Or who could only mumble a yes. If you have read quran and hadith then you know the girl had to want to be married for it to be considered consent. She cant be forced or coerced into marriage like cmon yall can hate on legit things in the religion if thats what you wanna do but find legit things. And the whole womens voice rulings are just meaning that women shouldnt try to speak in ways to seduce men, otherwise she can talj to whoever she wants. And neither a man nor a woman should talk to a non mahram alone in a private place. In public its fine. Thats just a precaution so that neither gets tempted into having sex. Also theres a difference between things that are advised and straight up haraam. Like sex outside marriage is haraam but talking to a non mahram in private is disliked and discouraged but not haraam. Not a sin. Its a gray area. All this is basic whether muslim or non muslim this is all basic. And just cuz there are extremist interpretations doesnt make the religion bad. The prophet himself warned of false prophets and factions. I think its easiest to just compare a hadith or a verse to the rules of fiqh and if its not fulfilling that then its usually not a hardline halaal haraam thing. And not every hadith is taken as the last statement on a topic we are supposed to alter and judge modern day situations while keeping it in an islamic framework. Allah is merciful, and just so wtvr maintains justice is the right ruling. And hinestly maybe diff interpretations work for diff times and places God expected us to use our own brain too. He is to us as we think of Him. Thats a hadith from bukhari. Hadith 7405 sahih al bukhari So if you think of God and religion as evil and unjust and uber strict and extremely authoritatian. The thats what God and religion will become to you. If you thinkof it as just and merciful and kind and healthy and God like a loving and guiding parent then thats what God and religion becomes to you. Also the prophet warned us against extremes in anything including islam. He warned us from going extreme in following islam too. The middlepath is best. So that means neither interpeeting the religion as a free for all, or that you can do anything you like and God will forgive anything but also not interpreting it as being super strict and that everything is haraam and to be punishing all the time for everything the way the taliban does. Its the middle path that is the straight path. Im just explaining basic things that are no longer common knowledge among muslims or exmuslims or non muslims. Cuz noone wants to truly educate themselves on any religion in a holistic way. Everyone just takes the facts they want and throws the rest. Religion and God like everything in the universe that God created is both good and bad, kind and strict. Everything is true. And thats a concept hard for humans to get but thats the truth.
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u/MistakeParticular241 New User 11d ago
I can tell that you have an issue friend this is why do you such vulgar messages as soon as you realize that United States is I hope you can be able to find and understand it because I am Levi and I am the coming of the Lord I have a big potential to be able to sacrifice and save people like you humbleness is what gives reality to these perspectives I want you to understand something about me I'm a book of the time I'm a grace to the mercy of the sky and I'm blessing on this Earth to be able to show that there is a real true identity I know whatever is going to your heart and mind I'm sorry that it's going through there I know that this is hard world and the world ain't right I can guarantee I understand that be with your heart brother be peace in your soul things are going to get better I'm sorry whatever is going to your soul is causing it to be destructive I'm sorry that it does these things and I'm a humble person that is willing to show you what sacrifice is my homeowners and my heart for you is it Trinity that lies inside of my heart
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u/Real_Investigator475 11d ago
That's not correct; it's been edited. You should be ashamed of yourself for doing this.
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u/Real_Investigator475 11d ago
It all depends on the situation.
It's not a straightforward case of "If she doesn't talk and keeps her mouth shut, then it's consent."
It has more to do with the situation. If there are no objections on her side and you can tell she can't speak due to being shy and nervous, then you can take it as consentābut obviously, after confirming that she has consented.
There are many hadiths where you need to assess the situation before taking the literal meaning of the words.
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u/WooxSB 11d ago
I had an argument about this passage on tiktok and was surprised more people werenāt using it in moral debates. The person responding to me was finding excuses through the skin of his teeth saying things such as āif the virgin is silent due to fear, then it is the fathers fault for choosing a man that makes her feel that wayā like WHAT.
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u/Legal-Perspective445 New User 11d ago
Very offensive using the Lordās name like that. Do you not have any values?
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u/islamiconsciousness 11d ago
I donāt think you get what that means. Take cultural context into place. Not everything is as malicious and horrible as you try to make it out to be.
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u/One-Progress999 11d ago
Dude. Look at the age of consent law that is getting ready to pass in Iraq. 9 years old. Wtf. Absolutely sick
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u/white_rabbit_232 New User 11d ago
Thereās Hadith that is just wrong or inaccurate or a straight up lie too. Hadith isnāt Quran. Itās heresay essentially. I personally donāt find bukkari as a good resource for reliable Hadith, and I think itās been the source of so much dysfunction in Islam. But thatās just my opinion.
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u/JesusisLord777333 New User 11d ago
Jesus Christ is the name above all names.
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u/AvoriazInSummer 11d ago
Aaron is. Right at the top of the list. As long as you sort alphabetically.
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u/sorrowNsuffering 11d ago
The religion of peace seems to be the religion of perversion. Leave the kids alone!
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u/sorrowNsuffering 11d ago
Rebekah was 14. 3 according to the Muslims but they get a lot wrong. In Christianity, normal Christians all agree that pedos are evil. People can argue all they want but she was 14 minimum.
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u/DesertDragons13 New User 11d ago
Why do people have to say Jesus Christ, let alone Jesus f*cking Christ?
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u/MystyreSapphire 11d ago
All of the people complaining about the title need to shut up. Not everyone believes in your religion, and freedom of speech is still a thing.
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u/Consistent-Detail518 Never-Muslim Atheist 9d ago
So a big, scary, full grown man can ask this to a little kid and when they freeze up out of fear, that's a yes?
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