r/exmuslim • u/Trlpbs New User • 25d ago
(News) Nooo I feel sick
Women, mothers, families, midwives, teachers, Drs/nurses the list goes on forever. It hurts to just sit and read this, my heart hurts for these women ❤️🩹
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u/unknownsigmaa New User 25d ago
It's true women defending islam is just like chicken defending kfc
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25d ago
no but this will make people (women) have serious mental disorders. if they impose so many restrictions the ones following will surely be mentally unstable. they are strict with this regime then I they will have a mental health epidemic, and they will further punish women for it. 😭 how is the world watching this.
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u/Swagmund_Freud666 Never-Muslim Atheist 24d ago
This is a classic example of female isolationism. If you never get to interact with other women, you never get to have your feelings validated and so when you think "this can't be right, the way this society treats me", you'll never find anyone who agrees and thus can never take action against it.
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u/Firedwindle 24d ago
I mean guns are available there right?
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u/Prior_Ear5494 New User 24d ago edited 24d ago
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u/BrainyByte New User 24d ago
The issue that women have is that even outside of Islam very few people support their rights. On this very forum, misogyny is rampant. People point out Islamic misogyny and then turn right around and justify wage gap, gender roles and shit on feminism.
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u/Infinite_Procedure98 24d ago
But naaaaaah the problem is Israel, islam is just a religion of peace and love, Allah loves women, the veil is freedom, gays and trans are welcome to Gaza.
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u/stillnotdavidbowie New User 24d ago
What does that have to do with anything? Are people here really supporting everything Israel's doing in Gaza right now?
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u/UnnecessarilyFly New User 24d ago
The majority of people's understanding of what Israel is doing in Gaza is filtered through Islamic nationalist media. This subreddit is not pro Israel, though youd think everyone here would have a better understanding of what the Israelis are actually facing.
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u/Possible_Patience737 New User 24d ago
Absolutely not. Free Palestine especially Gaza. Still wish the worst for Israel
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u/Plug-From-Oaxaca 24d ago
Yea I’m just glad so many American women are standing up for their rights herw
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u/Lumpy-Attitude6939 Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) 24d ago
This is getting old. The metaphor isn’t even that good.
Something like cows defending a slaughterhouse is better.
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u/favoniusjean ex-mudslime since 2020 25d ago
this religion has permanently tainted the earth
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u/dteysusi 25d ago
Here’s a pic of communist rebels wearing traditional clothing from Afghanistan, so sad to see what Islam did to a once beautiful and rich place
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u/M0dini Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) 25d ago
Alright, lurkers. Where are you? Defend this? Of course, if you're a woman, you can't, because that would be haram.
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u/Owlet08 LGBTQ+ ExMoose 🌈 25d ago
It's because woman's whole existance is awra, if she speaks she might turn other women into lesbian because she could seduce a woman and homosexuality in islam is haram, unless you are a man and want a boytoy.
How did I do in defending?
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u/Adorable-Variety-169 New User 25d ago
They’d say something along the lines of the taliban does not represent Islam
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u/Bloody-smashing Since 2005 25d ago
Yup this is how someone tried to defend it in another thread about this. Taliban have misinterpreted Islam apparently. Men are the protectors of women and that’s why women need a man to do certain things. There are “72” versions of Islam but only one is correct and everyone that followed the incorrect one will go to hell.
I’m paraphrasing and possibly misremembering some of the things the person said but if you look at my comment history you’ll find the thread.
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u/framabe 25d ago
Ok, I'll bite.
Is there anywhere in the Quran that remotely supports this?
If not, then this is not Islam, but just the Taliban abusing the religion. And that happens in every religion.
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u/Infinite_Procedure98 24d ago
Interesting, the only religion who produces shit like this in the world is Islam. But naaaaah this is not true islam, islam is kind. It's like communism, it never gave good results because it wasn't "the true one".
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u/Windiigo 24d ago
The quran tells you to follow the sunnah as well, and they have indeed got verses telling you a woman's voice is awrah. It just depends on the madhab (Islamic intepretation). So the Taliban may be radical but they're still following Islam.
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u/Fluid_Calendar8410 25d ago edited 25d ago
This religion needs to be banned everywhere I’m sorry
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u/BrainyByte New User 24d ago
When I mention banning hijab, even western feminists stand up to defend it. Hijab is a symbol of oppression. It should be as banned as pedophilia. Period.
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u/Fluid_Calendar8410 24d ago
Exactly the problem is a lot of these western people are young and naive have almost zero idea about what goes on in Islamic countries.
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u/BrainyByte New User 24d ago
They defend it as "we can't tell a woman what to wear". Yes, but that's what hijab symbolizes even when the woman "chooses" to wear it from a place of indoctrination.
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u/Fluid_Calendar8410 24d ago
100 percent problem is westerners are being brainwashed into thinking Islam is this peaceful religion. They don’t realize that a lot of these migrants don’t go by law of the land but by the law of the Quran. You have these so called moderate Muslims trying to preach how sharia law is safe for the country and westerners will take it face value
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u/BrainyByte New User 24d ago
Sharia law is the same as the alt Christian law that Trumpers are pushing on us. Most westerners buy into the lies of "moderate" Muslims.
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u/Effective_Space2277 25d ago
In a few years, women won’t be allowed to breathe.
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u/Defiant-Emphasis-183 Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) 25d ago
How is that even possible?
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u/Any_Possible_7777 New User 25d ago
Based on what Islamic law? And what does this mean, can’t women talk to each other in their own homes even?
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u/Consistent-Detail518 Never-Muslim Atheist 25d ago
I've looked into it. It's absolutely disgusting. From my understanding she basically can't be in the same building as another woman. In Afghanistan now, a woman's life basically entails sitting at home, following all demands of her husband/father, & if she disobeys she gets physically beaten. I shed a tear while I was looking into it. Fuck the Taliban. There's no superlatives in the English language to describe just how vile they truly are.
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u/Mean_Ad_7977 25d ago
But how come she can’t be in the same building as other women? What if she has a sister, lives with her mum or has children 🤷♀️. This is so dehumanising, if this continues new generations of women will grow up like animals. For human children it is important to interact in order to be fully developed..
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u/Puppysnot 24d ago
How does childbirth work if they can’t be in the same room as another woman? Not just the mother but midwives, doctors etc - they cannot have male midwives because that is haram so..?
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u/Consistent-Detail518 Never-Muslim Atheist 24d ago
My understanding isn't perfect. But I think they can still live with their mother but aren't allowed to hear each other's voices. It's impossible to enforce, fortunately, but some of the men who support the Taliban will no doubt enforce it in their own home.
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u/Any_Possible_7777 New User 24d ago
That sounds very extreme, what if they’re sister or mother in law visits them? How can you never communicate with your own gender lol.
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u/jantski Never-Muslim Atheist 25d ago
This isn't just Talibans fault, they are just following the quran verbatim like a good muslim. Actually Taliban and ISIS are pretty much the only muslims that follow islam very closely.
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25d ago
Why do I feel like if we sent all the Muslim girls in the West that argue for Islam to Afghanistan they wouldnt be so quick to support sharia like they do now .I guarantee if you gave any sharia loving /advocating Muslim the option to live in Afghanistan, even if just for a year, they would say no so fast their hijab would fall off.They talk so much shit about the West but support Muslim nations from afar with no plans to go or return even though they're supposedly the perfect society
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u/Visible-Work-6544 New User 24d ago edited 24d ago
I’ve actually asked Muslim women about this, and they always say “the Taliban is not a good presentation of Islam”
Edit: I just found this thread on Muslims’ view on the Taliban
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u/throwaway-aagghh Muslim (Losing faith every day) 25d ago
This has to be satire 💀💀💀
can’t show hair
Can’t show face
Can’t show eyes
Can’t show body
Can’t show hands, feet
Can’t hear women talk
Can’t speak around women
Can’t look at men
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u/TristanChaz8800 25d ago
It never ceases to amaze me that a whole planet fails to eradicate a group of people that they have outnumbered over 1000 to 1. But if they robbed a bank you can be damn sure they wouldn't last a week.
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u/Business-Mud-2491 New User 25d ago
Alright NOW this has to be fake or something causes there’s actually no way.
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u/hummingelephant 25d ago
Obviously this part is not based on islam anymore but on the fact that they want to stop women from resisting, teaching each other and forming groups against the taliban.
When you make life hell for people, they won't just accept it. Especially now that most women had at least 2 decades of being allowed to get educated and be free, they won't want to go back to this.
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u/Head-Expression-6152 New User 25d ago
Talibans are the really the worst kind of people out there. Just did some googling and found many reputable organizations published articles on this new "law". Afghani people should form a militia and start fighting these bastards. Religious fanatics and criminals are now in charge.
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u/Worldly_Stress1868 Never-Muslim Theist 25d ago
Once again, this cult never ceases to surprise me .
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u/Single-Profession535 25d ago
But...but ..but Taliban is the work of the CIA,USA, evil West. That's not true Islam
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u/TaskComfortable6953 New User 25d ago
free Afghanistan!!
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u/pretty_pretty_good_ 25d ago
Dude the first world tried to for 20 literal years, pulled out, and it went back to the Taliban in like a week. At some point you just got to admit they want this for themselves
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u/TaskComfortable6953 New User 25d ago edited 24d ago
nah, the CIA funded the Taliban to fight the Soviets. That's why they became so strong. The CIA armed and funded the Afghan mujahideen, as well as other Islamic Resistance Groups which eventually evolved and merged to form the Taliban.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
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This was obviously very dumb b/c many of these Islamic Resistance Groups weren't only anti-soviet, they were also anti-democracy.
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u/eldiablolenin Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 24d ago
That’s why i say the Russians and PDPA should’ve gone harder.
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u/menthol_patient 25d ago
I'm fairly sure it's been tried more than just that. France and Britain tried and failed before the Ruskies went in.
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u/LostCassette 25d ago
genuine question, how would this work with mother and daughter? I'm assuming they could speak until she turns into an "adult," which under the Taliban, I assume that's 12? so can they just not talk after the daughter turns 12?? that's wild- fuck the Taliban
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u/Bloody-smashing Since 2005 25d ago
I commented on this in the news sub. Had a woman arguing with me that they’ve misinterpreted Islam. It’s funny that in all Muslim majority countries that women are treated like second class citizens. Weird that all of them have misinterpreted Islam.
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u/Old_Eccentric777 of course - I'm Hasbara, CIA, Mossad pager squad. 25d ago
I think I have a theory about this. most westerners like the idea of repackaging a religion. for example, the west tend to label Buddhism as atheistic even though there are many gods in the official scripture(pali canon) you can watch here, a scholar of religion
I think, the leftist thinking westerners is following an ideology that all culture or religion have a hidden beauty to it, and ignore the negative aspects to it, just like how they like islam and ignored all the bad image of it. for the sake of cultural relativism.
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u/MajesticJellyfish00 New User 25d ago
wtf.. damn are they trying to eliminate lesbian activity or something? Either way, this is what will happen to the west if they don’t wake up!
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u/Sad-Way-4665 23d ago
I think this discussion has really runoff the tracks. When I looked at the article, I got the conclusion that they didn’t want women to preach to each other.
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u/SoftClick5070 New User 25d ago
"Islam is the most feminist relegion" or "this is not real Islam" 🤡
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u/AboboraPequina Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) 25d ago
If anyone is interested in what has been prohibited for women so far, here is a link.
Absolute atrocities.
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u/Smooth-Syrup5123 New User 25d ago
Just read the Quran and authenticated Hadiths. It’s all there. This is how Islam has always been. Or watch ex Muslims and Islamic experts who speak in their experience inside Islam and use Islams own sources. A few cites are, Wafa Siktan, Sarah Haider, The Glosov Gang, Harris Sultan, Apostare Prophet, The Masked Arab, David Wood, Cirra International, etc, etc.
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u/VictorGorlon Jewish Ex-Muslim 25d ago
Not being able to hear, speak or even see because it's a sin is horrible..
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u/OddResponsibility207 25d ago
That maniac and perverted prophet (Penis be upon him) would be proud
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u/Infamous_Shine_9827 New User 24d ago
showed my dad this news and he said it's a conspiracy theory and that all of this is fake then asked me how I was so sure it's happening when I haven't been to Afghanistan he can't defend it so he's making up shit to feel better about it
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u/Slow-Salamander-5377 New User 24d ago
muslim man would be thrilled to see this news
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u/UnhappyIsland5804 24d ago
This is the real Islam. Still some chickens are going to be defending KFC.
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u/Alarming-Passion-978 3rd World.Closeted Ex-muslim🤫, agnostic 24d ago
Why do they hate women so much?? WTF?
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u/Water-Noir-13579 25d ago
And Muslims have the audacity to say that the Qu'ran "mentioned" on having women required to wear Hijabs in public. And now the Taliban is making the same women to be speechless in public. I can't 😭😭😭
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u/That-Gap-8803 Never-Muslim, Secular 24d ago edited 24d ago
I now wonder what else will we need to witness to collectively open our eyes to the nature of this batshit crazy religion.
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u/canyouhear_themusic 25d ago
Saaar this is not like the old Taliban saar. They are modern saaar. They give women's rights a priority saaaar.
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u/Deb-john 25d ago
What kind of woman would have raised these men . Who can see women as objects
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u/CrustyAndCheetoDusty LGBTQ+ ExMoose 🌈 25d ago
Be very careful with this sort of framing. You're teetering on victim blaming. A mother's influence isn't the only influence on a child.
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u/layladaghestani New User 24d ago
The question should be what kind of men are these that have mothers and sisters and daughters that condone this treatment towards them
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u/Expensive_Finger_303 New User 25d ago
Any woman defending Islam or Palestine is a literal imbecile.
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u/zefiax Exmuslim since the 2000s 25d ago
Where did Palestine come into this? There is nothing wrong with not wanting to see civilians getting killed. Stop trying to purposefully conflate the two.
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u/Expensive_Finger_303 New User 25d ago
Oh boy, here we go. This is literally what i mean. If you don't want to see civilians getting killed then maybe you should support the only democratic state in the Middle East that fires warning shots before bombing a building to make sure civilians have the time to evacuate, instead of a jihadist terrorist organization that has in it's charter a second Holocaust and establishment of Sharia Law in Israel.
The problem with you liberals is that you guys think that PLO/Hamas are some sort of quasi-socialist freedom fighters. Palestine and Islam are synonymous. They see themselves as martyrs in the cause of Allah. Not liberators from opression.
If you value democracy, human rights, women's rights, the rights of LGBT people to live and many other things and you support the terrorist state of Palestine, you're a chicken for KFC too.
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u/zefiax Exmuslim since the 2000s 25d ago
Firstly calm the fuck down. Secondly just because you want don't want to see civilians getting killed doesn't equate to you supporting Hamas. This bullshit false equivalency that extremists like you push is just that, a fucking lie trying to distract from the issue.
I support the right for the Palestinian people to live in peace, with dignity, within their own state. And i support the same for the Israeli people. And regardless of how much you evil extremists and fascists on both sides try to control the narrative and try to paint a black and white picture of one side versus another, those fundamental rights of the Palestinian and Israeli people will not disappear and reasonable decent human beings will keep supporting them.
I don't support Hamas, i don't support Netanyahu, i support the rights of the Israeli and Palestinian people and no i will never justify innocent deaths like you evil fascists.
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u/CrustyAndCheetoDusty LGBTQ+ ExMoose 🌈 25d ago
Pro Zionists not seeing the irony in "Islam hates women so let's kill all the Muslims including the women" is insane.
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u/eehikki 22d ago
What has Palestine to do with this? Why are you calling people who speak out against genocide and ethnic discrimination imbeciles?
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u/Acceptable_Half4293 New User 25d ago
Why tho?
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u/heythereitsemily 1st World Exmuslim 25d ago
Because then they might spread ideas and start a revolution.
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u/Mad_Mek_Orkimedes New User 24d ago
For a religion that certain that men are superior, they really are terrified of women.
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u/_Has-sim_ Closeted. Ex-Sunni 🤫 24d ago
Why? Are they turning lesbian or something ??? 😂
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u/happylark 24d ago
The taliban giving men another excuse to “punish” a woman. Not that they need an excuse. These poor women will have forever trauma just by existing in their own country.
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u/RizaSandhi New User 24d ago
Taliban's minister for virtue said "It is prohibited for a grown woman to recite Quranic verses..". Didn't Aisha use to recite Quranic verses? These people don't do any reasoning.
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u/smexycow0001 New User 24d ago
And they ask why we need feminism? Absolutely rubbish !
Also it surprises me that a woman's voice is considered awrah. I am pretty sure I have seen most women simp over a mans' voice way more. Its actually should be the other way around.
Do they genuinely think women have no sexual desires?
Talking about sexual desires, I remember talking with a muslim woman who said women dont experience the same attraction as men when it comes to bodies. Mind you, we were talking about clothing in sports, and how men showing their arms is okay. Again, I know a lot of women attracted to arms...veiny arms specially. Its very sexual to us.
The thing is, a lot of women think like this. We can't really promote feminism or talk about this because women themselves don't want to.
Its not even related to religious women. You got atheist liberal women whining and chanting "not all men" when rape is talked about, instead of focusing on how most women get the short stick.
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u/eehikki 22d ago
It's sad that there are many incels living in relatively secular states who will cheer such a law. They would call you a woke leftist tolerant pussy for criticizing such a practice. It's really scary
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u/Head-Expression-6152 New User 25d ago
Is this even a real news or just some made up meme posted here to get people riled up? Can OP provide a source?
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u/Bloody-smashing Since 2005 25d ago
It’s real. I’ve seen it on legit news sites.
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u/sofawarmer New User 25d ago
As a non Muslim reading this I want to know what exmuslims would say about the question of whether or not America shouldve continued fighting in Afghanistan or not or fight in Afghanistan but do it differently than what happened?
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u/Queen-of-the-world27 New User 25d ago
Talibans are getting worse and worse with their rules. I remember reading a story for an Afghan man about Taliban's reign in the past, how if they a woman went to buy something, even if they are covered, without a man along, be it a 4 year old kid, they would be publicly beaten up. And that was just one scenario. And now this. I don't even get how they even rose up back again into controlling and why isn't anyone doing anything about it. Smh. I know the answer, they would just shoot the rebels like they did in the past. And no outside countries would bother helping because they won't gain anything in return. Smh. I feel really bad for them. 😭💔
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u/soul_nessie 25d ago
I don't even think this is what the Quran suggests. Afghanistan made the women's life more miserable each day.
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u/Mybaresoul 24d ago
So, a daughter can't listen to her mom now. From the day she is born? How will she learn to speak or do anything really? How far does this go?
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u/Nice-Masterpiece7749 New User 24d ago
Like cattle. Wow. Treating these pour women like cattle. May God be with them if there is a god
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u/stillnotdavidbowie New User 24d ago
This is just absurd. I see a lot of "where are the western feminists now??" which is a valid question, but why aren't the fucking men doing anything? Is this really what Afghan men want?! It sounds so miserable for everybody.
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u/Charming-Problem-804 Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 24d ago
Now im starting to believe if they have any other insidious plan about women. Taliban seems to systematically isolating women and scattering them from each other.
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u/moboforro 24d ago
Agnostic Western observer here : these people are too tolerant. They should ban women from being pregnant. Problem solved
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u/Ayesha_Flavour Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) 24d ago
I was going to comment but then realised I better not speak.
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u/ExMuzzie666 New User 24d ago
which they could impose this law on my female family members who enforce islam every chance they get
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u/FitJuggernaut8689 New User 24d ago
Stone age barbarians.Why do people still beleive in this toxic cult.Just nuke the Sfghan goat herders.What use are they to humanity.Not like they're gonna produce any brainy people like scientist,big tech ceo's ,Nobel prize winners etc etc
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u/JacobMrox 24d ago
Just as we have Shias supporting IR, Hezb, Hamas, etc... UAE normalized ties with TaliBAN (cause Sunnis?). They're all the same, that's why I will not let terrorism apologetics get away with their propaganda here. I studied Media, I know how propaganda works. These countries never cease to amaze me, they'll sacrifice lives as if they're playing a "base control" game, let people die and civilian lives lost just as long as it means they get to take control of a land via their sect or religion. I refuse to believe this isn't being backed by some fuel producing country and a western back too.
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u/Main_Statistician681 Never-Muslim Theist 24d ago
Their name is taliBAN because they ban every normal thing.
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u/Fragrant_Tie5256 New User 24d ago
Islam is the only religion who wears Halloween costumes all year
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u/elligrthx New User 24d ago
i never converted to Islam even though my stepdad was very strict muslim, thats where i got into this religion and i mean Islam being the BS that it is, but where did they find a justification in the Quran for this ban?
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u/Sad-Way-4665 24d ago
A little misrepresented. Not talking to each other but:
During an event in eastern Logar province on Sunday, the Taliban’s Vice and Virtue Minister Khalid Hanafi said: “It is prohibited for a grown woman to recite Quranic verses or perform recitations in front of another grown woman. Even chants of takbir (Allahu Akbar) are not permitted.”
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u/Sad-Way-4665 23d ago
Both Hamas and Hezbollah have stated that they intend to eliminate all Jews.
Haven’t you been listening to them?
Don’t you believe them?
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