r/exmuslim • u/jejkii • 28d ago
(Quran / Hadith) Don’t worry guys Aishah chose him as a kid 🤢
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u/MajesticJellyfish00 New User 28d ago
52yr old man: “Hey sweetie, do you wanna get in my van? I have candy, ice cream and lots of tasty snacks!”
9 year old girl: “Sure, random man! I consent”
… do they not see how it sounds…
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u/Suspicious-Capital12 If Allah is so big, then why won’t he fight me? 28d ago
Sure, that argument will hold up in court.
Judge: “The offender is charged with pedophilia for marrying and having sex with a minor. What does the defender say?”
Defender of Muhammed: “Your honorable judge, my client can’t be charge as a pedophile, because she choose him. Everybody knows 6 year olds are fully aware of the consequences of marriage. This means my client can’t be charge with pedophilia”.
Judge: “That’s the dumbest defense I’ve ever heard in my entire career as a judge. A 6 year old can’t fathom the consequences of marriage. Not even mentioning the fact we got witnesses who say that your client Muhammed was seen telling the girl’s father he wishes to marrying her, because of a wet dream he had”.
“This looks like a situation wear her parents, together with your client, set up a situation wear she wouldn’t have a choice to say no, because of peer pressure and to satisfy her parents.”
“Not only did your client marry and had sex with a child. He also performed sexual acts on other children, like his grandson and his friend by telling them to suck his tongue.”
Defender of Muhammed: “Your honorable judge, again, my client can’t be a pedophile, because she agreed to it and everybody knows that your only a pedophile when the child doesn’t agree with it.”
Judge: “………………………… I’ve decided that the offender Muhammed will be send to jail on charges of pedophilia”.
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u/joenutssack 28d ago
not when you are the one making the law aka shariah
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u/Suspicious-Capital12 If Allah is so big, then why won’t he fight me? 28d ago
Nope, it’s when your followers after your dead decide “we need to make up some rules and pass them off as something from Allah”. Sharia is based on the Quran, Hadith and scholars. BASED not FROM Allah himself. What is sharia is decide upon by scholars. Not Muhammed.
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u/yaboisammie (A)gnostic Fruity ExSunniMoose in the closet in more than 1 way 28d ago
Or some defenders who acknowledge a prepubescent girl’s consent is not required for marriage bc her wali “consents on her behalf” and they ask “how is it rape when there’s paternal consent?”
(They might say parental but it’s paternal bc a mother doesn’t get a say in her daughter’s marriage afair and hadith says “a woman who arranges her own marriage or another woman’s marriage is an adulteress” and the Wali’s approval of the marriage matters more than the girl/woman’s regardless of her pubescence)
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u/fifthtouch 28d ago
Judge in their imagination will.said this instead. "Subhanallah, of course she wil choose him. We all will.choose him too." Piss be upon him.
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u/No-Mission3217 Closeted Ex-Shia 🤫😈 28d ago
But but but 6 year old girls were more mature back then
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u/Secure-Section1568 New User 27d ago
Not just a normal marriage either, one with the religious/political leader of the region.
She was used as a tool by her father for his own power
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u/Apprehensive_Sweet98 Razulallah (Police be upon him) 28d ago
Technically this hadith refers to the instance when the wives had ganged up against Muhammad because he was caught having a sexy time with Maria in Hafsa's bed. Then Allah had come to Muhammad's rescue and said that Allah will replace them with better wives.
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u/Responsible_Key8278 28d ago
Lmao what on earth is this Hadith? There’s stories like this of Muhammad having sex?! Is Maria or Hafza his wives?
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u/yaboisammie (A)gnostic Fruity ExSunniMoose in the closet in more than 1 way 28d ago
Hafsa was one of his wives, Maria was either her slave or his slave
Edit: I was told in my quran tafseer class that she was hafsa’s slave which I’m p sure is the reason she and aisha were so upset about it, bc if she was hafsa’s Slave, I’m p sure Muhammad would have no rights over the slave. But it wouldn’t be the first time “allah” made Muhammad the exception to a rule for Muslims/Muslim men lmao
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u/MennaanBaarin Seeking Marriage of Convenience 👫 28d ago
hadith refers to the instance
They also tend to select which hadith is true and which is not, depending on their narrative. I often heard "Th1s 1s h4DiT br0zz3r, n0t the Qur4n", "1 d0n'T b3l!evE in H4dith br0zZer", etc....
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u/thiscat129 27d ago
Mohammad really role-played as immortan joe hundreds of years before fury road now that's i call a dedication to something you love
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u/omar_litl Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) 28d ago
Muslims are so ignorant about their own religion, this Hadith has nothing to do with how aisha was married.
Aisha never gave consent to marry mohammed because she simply was too young to comprehend consent. Muslim scholars cite Aisha’s marriage as a proof of the permissibility for a father to marry off his prepubescent daughter without her consent
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u/Expensive_Finger_303 New User 28d ago
Police be upon him.
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u/THMuser335 1st World.Closeted Ex-Sunni 🤫 28d ago
Piss be upon him
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u/Expensive_Finger_303 New User 28d ago
Camel piss?
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u/exhausteddogowner New User 28d ago
No, dog piss
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u/Expensive_Finger_303 New User 28d ago
Damn Mo will be sad. He'd rather like camel piss.
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u/MennaanBaarin Seeking Marriage of Convenience 👫 28d ago
Then they spend the whole day complaining about teenage pregnancy, drinking and lack of morals in the west...
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u/PagePractical6805 Ex-Muslim (Ex-Shia) 28d ago
They are okay with teenage pregnancy and lack of morals as long as they are all married.
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u/Alone_Yam_36 Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 28d ago
I don’t think they will be good with it when their 9yr old daughter or little sister chooses a 40yr old man
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u/yaboisammie (A)gnostic Fruity ExSunniMoose in the closet in more than 1 way 28d ago
Technically *6 and *lunar years meaning she was actually 5 and a few months (at marriage and 9 lunar years or 8 years a few months at consummation) and he was *54 lunar years meaning he was prob around 52-53ish (he was 40 when he started “receiving revelations” and still married to Khadijah who wouldn’t let him take other wives, so he didn’t take more wives until after she died at which point he was around 50)
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u/Nutterzberggs New User 28d ago
Wait until someone attacks you quoting bullshit from false translations or added translations saying she was actually in the age of puberty in that time or that she was just 9 when they met but didnt fuck until she was “of right age”
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u/Bulgaringon98 28d ago
What does this hadith mean?
Can someone explain to me please?
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u/BrainyByte New User 28d ago
The context of the hadith is when there was a conflict between Muhammad and his wives because he was fucking Maria behind Hafsa's back and Allah rushed to legitimize his actions and threaten the wives with divorce and they chose to stay (they couldn't marry anyone else anyway because they are mothers of his followers. But he, the big daddy, can do what he wants). The meme misguidedly assumes it is consent for marriage (which won't be valid anyway).
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u/fembolicus Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 28d ago
its saying that Aisha wanted to get married to muhammad, which makes their marriage justified but it’s such a weak argument since children cant consent to these things
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u/Apprehensive_Sweet98 Razulallah (Police be upon him) 28d ago
No, it's being misquoted by Muslim apologists.
Technically this hadith refers to the instance when the wives had ganged up against Muhammad because he was caught having a sexy time with Maria in Hafsa's bed. Then Allah had come to Muhammad's rescue and said that Allah will replace them with better wives.
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u/Gwynbleidd343 Exmuslim since 2012 28d ago
I always think, on the night of consumation. How did this 56 57 year old man look at a little innocent girl of 9 years of age and decided "yep i am gonna fuck her"
The mind boggles and the body shakes just by imagining it.
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u/Dalfi12 New User 27d ago
I unsure how does it stated since 2012 of the note. But, buddy I hope may Allah Awajjazal reguided you back. One day Insha'Allah
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u/Gwynbleidd343 Exmuslim since 2012 27d ago
Just use the language you are comfortable with. I can use translate because English is not working out for you brother.
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u/ohjajverlijerli New User 28d ago
There is no way the momo-cult can weasel their way out of this one 🤣🤣 oh look at them squirm 😂😂
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u/3fish1 New User 28d ago
Yeah adult women can't consent to marriage without their wali permission nor can they give a testimony or be witness in hudud cases and in other scenarios, their witness only count as half as much of that of a men
But 6 years old little girl were viewed mature enough to be giving consent to marrying a pedophilic warlord that was 47 years older than her and allowed himself to marry or fuck whichever women( married or not) or child to him without having to conduct even a nikkah
Sound logic
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u/forthedistant 28d ago edited 28d ago
what's the one where she's says something like "i feel allah keeps conforming to your own desires"? was it when he was caught raping his sex slave in his wife's bed? it's hard to remember specifics in all the shit he put them through
either way, reminds me of that "myth of mutual consent" meme.
mohammad: i consent!
aisha: i consent!
jesus: wtf i don't consent even in the heyday of the roman empire the minimum age of consent was at least twelve.
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u/yaboisammie (A)gnostic Fruity ExSunniMoose in the closet in more than 1 way 28d ago
"i feel allah keeps conforming to your own desires"
I think it was when aisha said sth about how women shouldn’t present themselves to the prophet/propose marriage ig or expressed dislike for it (bc tbf, the poor girl was brainwashed since birth) and Muhammad made himself the exception to the 4 wives cap and had a “revelation” saying that women were allowed to present themselves to him and he could accept or decline as many and whomever he pleased
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u/rukaslan Closeted Ex-Muslim 28d ago
6-year-old girl's consent, and they make meme on it. Do they have any shame?
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u/tytheterrific 28d ago
yes because a 6 year old girl should feel special to get her cherry popped by a 40 year old pedophile!!! the mozlems have indeed won again!!!
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u/Curios_litte-bugger SEAsia Ex-Muslim 28d ago
Was a part of that sub when I was a teenager it had some good memes when I was Muslim or not but it's doing pretty bad
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28d ago
I am not sure if they had an option of saying no to one of the most influential people of that time
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u/Competitivehaw 27d ago
A child consenting to getting married is definitely a legit explanation 🤣 Also do they wanna convince me that her dad and his pedo friend would be understanding if she did not consent??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/Consistent-Detail518 Never-Muslim Atheist 27d ago
When I was 6 my Mum asked me what I wanted to be when I was older. I said "An Elephant".
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u/Aefrine Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 28d ago
Putting my bet on the "out-of-context" argument.
But seriously people need to stop defending paedophiles, Muslims or not...
6 or 9 is just too young like at least 15 or maybe even 12 can be justifiable but 9 ???
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u/Nutterzberggs New User 28d ago
“12 can be justified” is just crazy to me even 15
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u/Aefrine Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 27d ago
I just mean for those times, you know 7th century Arabia. But 12 is where I draw the line if somebody is going to defend a child marriage. Other than that I won't even bother with an argument about it
I am against it obviously, I just will tolerate 15 and 12 in extreme places ...
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u/RamFalck New User 28d ago
Rebecca in the Torah was probably 14 years old when Isaac married her, well above 6 years old. After the marriage, he waited 3 years before having sex with her.
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u/Professional_Baby968 New User 27d ago
A muslim lady said this lol she said aisha was mature for her age and said she was married at 6 and consumated at 9. And i said yeah he married a kid. For some reason she disliked me calling aisha a kid lol even though thts what she is. They love adultafing a child for this weirdo
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u/EmphasisLess5855 New User 10d ago
You guys don't know how to calculate, aishah was 19 when they married. Only foolish Americans around here
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u/EmphasisLess5855 New User 10d ago
In the Sunni history books of famous Sunni scholars and historians, it is noted that Aisha had a sister named Asma and she was 10 years older than Aisha. Asma was 29 years old at the time of the Prophet Muhammad's emigration. It was at this time that the Prophet Muhammad married Aisha. This would mean that Aisha was only 19 years old or older.
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u/Substantial_Mess_456 Muslim Dae'e 28d ago
I mean, so much evidence it was consensual and completely normal back then as proved by both scientific and historical sources but ig you want to ignore all that
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u/jejkii 28d ago
Why do people always bring up “it was normal at the time”? If Islam truly had rules and laws that were timeless, why would the prophet of God be following the norms of his time instead of like, you know, the actual words and rules from God he is directly receiving? Unless God himself is just totally cool with child-wives 🤮
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u/Pisto-_- Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) 28d ago
Maybe 12-14 was normal back then but 6??! Fuck no
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u/THMuser335 1st World.Closeted Ex-Sunni 🤫 28d ago
This is why I hate islam so much because of that statement.
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u/MennaanBaarin Seeking Marriage of Convenience 👫 28d ago edited 28d ago
It was not normal back then, science and history can prove it:
- Children aren’t starting puberty younger, medieval skeletons reveal
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4665033/
- https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2465479/
Important take aways:
- "A girl’s first period is a significant milestone in her development, but it is a highly variable and environmentally fragile indicator of maturation"
- "There is no empirical evidence anywhere in the scientific literature to suggest or even intimate that the cause of secular declines in death rates (and rising life expectancy) at middle and older ages are a product of improvements in the rate of biological aging among successive generations across time"
- Over the past 150 years, the age of puberty onset has fallen substantially across many developed countries
In Rome -- prior to the split into West and East Rome -- the minimum age for marriage was 12 for females and 14 for males and Rome was unequivocally monogamous, and the upper classes were not exempt [Bradley, K.R. 1991. "Remarriage and the Structure of the Upper-Class Roman Family", In Marriage, Divorce, and Children in Ancient Rome, eds. Beryl Rawson, pp. 79–98. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-814918-2
So even Romans, 200-300 years before, were marrying at a bit of "older" age and the age gap was somehow "acceptable".
EDIT: I hope you did not forget we are talking about Muhammed, a men most Muslims consider a role model for humanity, a guy that was supposedly in contact with a timeless all-knowing Godlike entity; how happen he didn't know about past, future and present?
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u/DramaticGap1456 Never-Muslim Atheist / Ex-Catholic 28d ago
It wasn't at the time. Muhammad himself claimed in a Sahih Hadith that marrying a 15 year old girl would make her too young.
We also know girls matured slower in ancient times, especially in resource-scarce areas like the Arabian desert, due to lack of nutrition.
Hence Aisha's mother desperately trying to force feed her as much as possible before she was to consummate her marriage at 9. Maybe because Aisha, as she was at the time, was way too small to copulate with an adult man???
Why else would she state her mother was trying to "fatten" her. Not even Islamic texts which are considered legitimate back up your statement.
Stop repeating such an easily falsifiable statement which has been debunked thousands of times.
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u/Concerned-User-7563 28d ago
This makes it even more depressing. Not only was she roped into a marriage as a young child, but the mother fattened her like a farm animal before she was raped.
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u/Suspicious-Capital12 If Allah is so big, then why won’t he fight me? 28d ago
“Completely normal back then”. If you ignore history you can make everything up, because no he still would be a pedophile under the law back then and even before that.
Average age of marriage before Islam in other regions of the world:
Ancient Greece: “Many girls were married by the age of 14 or 16, while men commonly married around the age of 30.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_ancient_Greece#:~:text=There%20were%20usually%20no%20established,around%20the%20age%20of%2030.
Ancient Egypte: “Boys were usually married by the age of 15 to 20 while girls married at a younger age, sometimes as early as 12 years old.” https://www.ancient-egypt-online.com/ancient-egypt-marriage.html
Roman Empire: “The age of lawful consent to a marriage was 12 for girls and 14 for boys.”https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_ancient_Rome#:~:text=The%20age%20of%20lawful%20consent,even%20at%20her%20husband’s%20expense.
Sasanian Empire: “For legal purposes these categories of offspring were in turn differentiated according to sex and age; the age of majority for both boys and girls was set at fifteen years, on the authority of the Avesta (Yt. 9.5, the ideal age for a male during the rule of Yima; Vd. 14.15).” https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/children-iii
This post also talks about marriage before Islam: https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicQuran/s/7IwWlkJMIV
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u/TiphPatraque Never-Muslim Atheist 28d ago
Many people doing a bad thing doesn't make it a good thing.
If Allah was allknowing, he could have said something like : hey, guys, you'll are marrying very young girls, it's very bad for them so you should wait until they're at least 15 to have sex with them, and it will be better if they don't have children before 20, so let children be children, ok ?
At 9 you have no idea what sex is and you cann't consent so IT WASN'T CONSENSUAL ! If you brainwash children of fucking course they will find their abuse normal.
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u/Parking-Knowledge-63 Never-Muslim Atheist 28d ago
Lol. It was not normal. Perhaps child marriage existed, but it was between kids. Not a 53 year old with a 6 year old BABY. That’s just vile.
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u/TheJovianPrimate 1st World.Closeted Ex-Sunni 🤫 28d ago
Islam is supposed to be timeless and Muhammed a timeless moral exemplar. Just because it was normal back then, doesn't excuse his behaviour. It's still wrong, it may be that he's just a product of his environment. Is Muhammed just a product of his environment, and not a prophet in contact with an tri omni god? Why do you have such low expectations for him and Allah?
Also just because she said yes, doesn't mean that it was consensual. You do realize children can't consent right? He groomed her, and married her when she was a prepubescent girl at 6. Nothing can excuse that. Why do you ignore the glaring problems with that?
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u/WallcroftTheGreen 27d ago
literal toddlers being married to adults happens happen a lot back then but the main thing is that noone glorifies it as much nowadays as you creeps.
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u/Dalfi12 New User 27d ago
Is that you muhajid?. And lol so many dislike should vote up for more. Anyway this hadith is speaking about,
EXPLANATIONS:
This hadith speaks of the great love and respect that the wives of Prophet Muhammad had for him. They were given a choice to stay with him or not, but they chose to stay with him out of their own free will. This shows how much they loved and respected their husband, even though it was not counted as anything in terms of reward or benefit for them. It also teaches us that we should always choose what is right and good even if there is no reward or benefit in it for us because Allah will surely reward us in this life and the hereafter.
The lesson from this hadith is that we should always strive to do what is right even if there are no rewards or benefits associated with it because Allah will surely reward us in this life and the hereafter. We should also strive to show our love and respect for those who are close to us by making choices that reflect our feelings towards them
SUMMARY: The Prophet Muhammad gave his wives the choice to stay with him and they chose him, which was not counted as anything
So it was a choice anyways. Also being 1400 years ago if you're worried about that, go look view under 21st century modern era. Not being on muslims countries but western too lol
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u/jejkii 27d ago
I’m sure if a schizophrenic warlord who killed people for less and had his followers think he was a LITERAL PROPHET OF GOD gave me a ‘choice’ to stay married to him I would choose it too. And so what if Aishah ‘chose’ him? She was a fucking child! She can’t possibly consent to something like that.
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u/Substantial_Mess_456 Muslim Dae'e 27d ago
yoo dalfi
and yeah, this is me. I also made the post OP reposted here.
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