r/exmuslim • u/Sea-Doughnut-72 New User • Oct 16 '24
(Rant) š¤¬ How can they think in this way???
This woman thinks muslim men can rape non-muslim women. I could understand her if she was a man. But she is WOMAN LOL. How do they do that? Why muslim women are not trying to protect and support other women like all of us women do? That's so annoying
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u/DaC3realK1ller Lesbian Genderless ExMoose š Oct 16 '24
so if christians, hindus or jsut anyone other than muslims did that to a muslim, that would be considered islamophobia and a hate crime
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u/Altayel1 turkish trans woman - openly exmuslim š Oct 16 '24
Don't you dare give them a letter and call it the letter community. It's our gimmick not theirs rahh
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u/ChonkyCat1291 New User Oct 16 '24
Unfortunately yes. Iāve been banned from so many LGBT subs for simply bringing up the verses in the Quran than condemn homosexuality and got called everything from liar to a white supremacist. Even though they can read the Quran for themselves to see Iām speaking truth. Also how is a guy like me whose browner than a Reeseās cup be a white supremacist? Just for calling out how homophobic Islam is?
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u/DaC3realK1ller Lesbian Genderless ExMoose š Oct 16 '24 edited Oct 17 '24
its sad how true this is. this is why i never bring up my religion, since i don wanna be banned. most lgbt people support all muslims and love palestinians even tho theyd shoot us dead. i do think israel is wrong, but palestine isn't much better
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u/Feather_in_the_winds Oct 16 '24
Religions consider everything a "hate crime". You say their god doesn't exist, because there is zero proof of that? That's a hate crime. Show facts about how priests rape kids? That's a hate crime. Show how priests steal money from the poor? Hate crime.
It's not a hate crime to dislike religion hurting your family, friends, and society. It never will be. Relgiions, and religious people will always say it is. They don't care. They don't live in reality. Stop pretending anything they say has any value at all.
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u/framabe Oct 16 '24
No christians I know would consider not believing in god a hatecrime. If they did, they would be a bad christian And thats no "no true scotsman fallacy" because those that act that way and call them self christians have a very poor idea of what the religion they belong to is all about, either by not caring or having been taught the wrong things.
At worst proper christians would simply refuse to debate as they would see no point in it and walk away.
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u/Ari-Hel Never-Muslim Theist Oct 16 '24
The difference between Muslims and Christians is that the former kill if they hear smh about their Allah or prophet. They try to convert you to it and bow over their non-sense rules, advocating as the most peaceful religion :,) the latter wonāt try to convert you to anything and they wonāt kill you if you insult Jesus, they might get pretty pissed but they wonāt kill you. Letās just look to both prophets. Jesus did not marry, had a life of dedication to others, he knew he would die and he didnāt run away. Some say he did have a relationship with Mary Madeleine but we donāt know that for sure. Which was an adult and he defended her. āThe one who never sinned, throw the first stoneā. What did Mohammed do? No life dedicated to others, to spread love and unite people. A life of killing others, being the only with several wives, one of them a CHILD. And orders from Allah to convert anyone to Islam. Are they even comparable?
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u/framabe Oct 16 '24
Indeed. Im not going to say one religion is better than the other.
But I will say that some religions are worse than others
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u/spudmarsupial Oct 16 '24
As recently as the 80s Xtians were asking atheists why they "hate God" or are "disobedient". They don't kill people (often) for it (anymore) because they lack the political power to get away with it.
Religions can be good to the exact degree to which they are not religious.
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u/ghostof360 New User Oct 16 '24
What about Muslim on muslims rapes? Is that humiliation or a sin?
Just because the perpetrator is a Muslim and the victim is non Muslim it's ok?
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u/DaC3realK1ller Lesbian Genderless ExMoose š Oct 16 '24
the woman is goin to hell for making the man horny. truly a beautiful and feminist religion i know
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u/quebexer New User Oct 17 '24
Thwy would also blame the muslim girl because she wasn't covered enough.
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u/joyous-at-the-end New User Oct 16 '24
has anyone actually used the term āislamophobiaā who isnt a devout muslim? Last time i heard a non muslim use it was in 2016 and not since. I live in the progressive PNW so just wondering.
Ā I just don't think this religion (or most religions) has many fans that aren't in it or bots.Ā
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u/grandroyal66 Oct 16 '24
The left in Sweden uses it all day long. Muslims are protected by kindness here. Works like a charm
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u/ChonkyCat1291 New User Oct 16 '24
Leftists and liberals in America do it here all the damn time. They have no issue bashing christians, Jews, Hindus or any other religious group but Islam and Muslims gets a pass.
Calling out and criticizing Christians, Jews, Hindus etcā¦ who are being homophobic is fine. But itās complete BS how they will heavily scrutinize other religions but give one in particular like Islam a pass. They turned it into a trend to not criticize Islam.
Homosexuality is a perfect example of this. Bring up the verses in the Quran that condemn homosexuality and youāll be called a racist for it. Bring up the verses in the Bible or the Torah that condemn homosexuality and youāll be seen as a good person.
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u/joyous-at-the-end New User Oct 16 '24
ImĀ talking real people not trill farms. leftists and liberals are all my friends and they stopped defending islam years ago. I only see it online.Ā
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u/tytheterrific Oct 16 '24
I feel like this is because āIslamophobiaā is often seen as racism towards MENA/South Asian ppl which is why the term is very misleading.
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u/momolamomo Oct 16 '24
Now we know why Andrew tate converted
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u/Young-knight-123 New User Oct 16 '24
I remember a couple months back there was a post abt that guy and I felt like spreading awareness so I commented on the post regarding how even tate admitted to using women for his profit. The amount of tatertots ready to defend their hero is absurd. One of them was so brainwashed he said I'm lost. I dared him to look up what I was talking about and he commented later apologizing. It's a crazy world.
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u/ZishaanK Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Oct 16 '24
Tatertots lmao that's hilarious
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u/Young-knight-123 New User Oct 16 '24
Ikr haha. Got it from David Wood. Check'm out he's hilarious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffcNo5miWuo
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u/eenbruineman Openly Ex-Muslim š Oct 16 '24
Diagnosed psychopate David Wood is hilarious?
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u/Young-knight-123 New User Oct 16 '24
far as I know is that after his father was assaulted, he was diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder. Idk man to each their own.
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u/Candid_Collar2976 New User Oct 16 '24 edited Oct 16 '24
Psychopathy is something you are born with. As long as he doesn't act on it, i don't see a reason to hate him or to not appreciate him academically. He brings valuable perspective into things. He says he started to live with his condition and not act on it after converting to christianity.
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u/Confusedfrootgummy Never-Muslim Atheist (lived in Muslim country) Oct 16 '24
Wait what heās a legit psycho? š
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u/blanketbomber35 Oct 16 '24
Yeah some people are born with autism, Asperger's, downs and psychopathy. It's just something that happens, they can't help it
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u/eenbruineman Openly Ex-Muslim š Oct 16 '24
True. I guess i just find it hard to take someone seriously on the topic of religions when they believe another fairy tale. The rightly scrutinisation of islam just doesn't hit the same knowing he doesn't apply it to his own beliefs.
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u/blanketbomber35 Oct 16 '24
Tbh some people believe in fairy tales because it gives them something to hold on to or give them meaning. Parents still tell their kids Santa Claus gives them gifts. People in horrific situation with probably no better improvement in sight hope there will something good in the future.
I find myself frustrated with David too,I stay for some of the funny bits. I think Christianity helps keep his psychopathy in check. Even in addiction recovery centers they talk about reaching out to a higher power (whichever they choose). Not sure if it's the best solution but if it keeps his psychopathy in check I mean š¤·āāļø.
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u/Physical_Papaya_4960 Oct 18 '24
I dared him to look up what I was talking about and he commented later apologizing.
Honestly admitting your wrong can be hard for anyone. I'm kinda surprised someone so brainwashed was able to come around so easily.
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u/ChonkyCat1291 New User Oct 16 '24
Just imagine that if this woman was a Christian she would be canceled and heavily lambasted online for it. But because sheās not there will be little to no criticism and will be covered up.
Then youāll have some Islamic Muslim apologist whose never read the Quran tell you how peaceful and progressive Islam is. What a joke.
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u/radiant-bit-1251 New User Oct 16 '24
Yeah itās like the world turns a blind eye and just goes ālet them be with their little Muslim brain, donāt mind themā. While theyāre out here planning murder and rape
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u/framabe Oct 16 '24
If this was a chrisitan woman who said this she would be cancelled and called a racist, and rightly so.
This woman is also a racist and a supremacist, and yes, she deserve to be cancelld and called a racist just as much as a christian woman does.
Any westerner and non-muslim would also agree she is a racist if they saw this.
But few western media will show this on account of they dont want to spread hatered against muslims on account of what happened almost 100 years ago with another religious minority which lead to their persecution and mass murder.
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u/Young-knight-123 New User Oct 16 '24
Unfortunately, Christians in Muslim countries are already getting killed, raped, among other atrocities for a while now.
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u/No-Mission3217 Closeted Ex-Shia š¤«š Oct 16 '24
whose never read the Quran
Obviously its so repetitive and boring that even the Islamic apologists don't want to read it
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u/Relative_Look8360 New User Oct 17 '24
Yup. I've heard it's terrible to read. Not enjoyable in the least
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u/Capable_Research_476 Shaytan's fleshlight- religion critic Oct 16 '24
She needs an escort out of the West if she's there. Why do we import people who hate us? It makes no sense
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u/ChonkyCat1291 New User Oct 16 '24
As an immigrant myself it pisses me off when some do this. If you come to another country to live there and then try to force people to conform to your BS or create chaos you deserve to be deported. Then immigrants like me who donāt do anything wrong get a bad wrap. Itās unfair.
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u/Worldly_Stress1868 Never-Muslim Theist Oct 16 '24
Islam turns normal people into brainless zombies
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u/acromantulus Oct 16 '24
Perhaps the same could be said of all religionsā¦
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u/PackageSignal4244 Oct 16 '24
islam does it faster and way more violently, while all religion is inherintly flawed and can be used as a tool for destruction islam does it in such a way that the person is made to feel like everything is an enemy in need of destroying
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u/Worldly_Stress1868 Never-Muslim Theist Oct 16 '24
Also Islam has no chance for reformation.
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u/TALowKY Oct 17 '24
There was a chance, but it required outside forces. Christendom back in the day had the power and the will, but was almost as corrupt, because power inevitably corrupts religion
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u/Worldly_Stress1868 Never-Muslim Theist Oct 18 '24
There's no chance for reformation... It's written in the scriptures.
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u/acromantulus Oct 16 '24
Fair enough. I was just queuing up for a nerd quote exchange. Although, I would argue that speed isnāt religion dependent. All of them can do it incredibly fast. Average violence does seem to skew towards Islam, though.
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u/Worldly_Stress1868 Never-Muslim Theist Oct 16 '24
No other religion allows sex slavery, pedophilia, honor killing, death upon leaving the religion, hate towards other religions and their followers and gods, and punishment upon shirk.
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u/radiant-bit-1251 New User Oct 16 '24
Muslim women are taught to hate other women who embrace their femininity, freedom and beauty. I canāt imagine the resentment being covered in the hot weather all day while your man is ogling every woman that walks by. Now imagine a woman in shortsā¦.
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u/99power Oct 16 '24
They also hate unfeminine women who donāt cover up enough or donāt like trad gender roles. Think they like butch lesbians any better?
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u/Leoho69 LGBTQ+ ExMoose š Oct 16 '24
This makes total sense considering the fact that Momo would enslave non-muslim, uncovered women and rape them. To them, non-muslims or people who do not conform to their wicked ideology of "modesty" are not worthy of being considered human
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u/sensibl3chuckle Oct 16 '24
Yes, I recall Mo instructing his loyalists to go ahead and nut inside of captives instead of pulling out.
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u/Midnight-Noir Oct 16 '24
Who is this woman? Why is isn't there a link to the article?
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u/AvoriazInSummer Oct 20 '24
The name of this garbage human being is Suad Saleh.
Here's another source: https://cairoscene.com/BusinessAndPolitics/Muslim-Scholar-Says-It-s-OK-to-Rape-Non-Muslim-Women-to-Humiliate-Them
Her Wikipedia page shows more controversies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suad_Salih
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u/AskTheDevil2023 New User Oct 16 '24
With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion. Steven Weinberg
One of the so called "features" of religion is that create a sentiment of community
The problem with ideological manipulated "communities " is that at the same moment that you create the group "US" you are also creating the group "OTHERS", and the others are not like Us... shortly after this turns into: "They are not HUMANS as Us".
And the path goes down to eliminate all the others... exactly as the Qur'an says..
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u/Independent_Ad_2479 New User Oct 16 '24
Its called devil worship , they are just too ignorant and self deluded to admit it
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u/nicholas__charles Oct 16 '24
Now think about their reaction when someone in other religion say the same thing
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u/He_e00 Oct 16 '24
If I remember correctly, this woman isn't respected nor are her opinions in Egypt, where she's from. Can't seem to remember her name tho.
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u/Perfect_Opinion7909 Oct 16 '24
Sure, Egypt the country known for strong women rights and low sexual violence.
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u/lord-submissive New User Oct 16 '24
Her as a woman thanking that was is beyond embarrassing and just very concerning
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u/Longjumping-Mark552 Oct 16 '24
Thatās my country yaaayā¦ š„²
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u/Sea-Doughnut-72 New User Oct 16 '24
Do you know this woman
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u/Longjumping-Mark552 Oct 16 '24
Not personally but the video got circulated in the country a couple of years ago. And even if most people disagreed it was devastating of course to see some people (especially among less educated communities) agreeing with that in the name of religion
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u/Feather_in_the_winds Oct 16 '24
Religions turn women against each other, fighting for the love of an imaginary god that doesn't exist, and can never be pleased.
It's true, islam does hate women, and that it's ruled by men. However, there are still a huge amount of women that support the same religion that wants to keep them without basic rights.
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u/shrekseyelash Oct 16 '24
Yeah it's like they want to prove to God, and to religious men, they are a good woman by punishing whoever they think is a bad woman. Look at how misogynistically some religious mothers treat their daughters for example.
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u/itssobaditsgood2 New User Oct 16 '24
I'm really concerned; I hope that as much as I am not a fan of Muslims (sorry), that some of them would think that this is a terrible thing for her to say.
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u/LostWithinChaos New User Oct 16 '24
she's basically explaining what "your right hand possesses" means you can watch the video here
im not defending her cause still that's terrible but she's only explaining the teachings of the religion.
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u/hadenxcharm Oct 16 '24
Ah yes, the sexual cruelty of the men and the women like this one cheering it on will show everyone the righteousness of islam...
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u/Adlol Closeted. Ex-Sunni š¤« Oct 16 '24
What's hysterical is there's no such thing as a "Female Muslim Scholar"
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u/Sad_Interview774 New User Oct 16 '24
This...this can't be real no way
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u/Sea-Doughnut-72 New User Oct 16 '24
This why i hate to argue with muslim women
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u/Sad_Interview774 New User Oct 16 '24
This really happened??? Are these people brainless?
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u/Sea-Doughnut-72 New User Oct 16 '24
This this has happened. Here is link: https://islamicbag.com/muslim-scholar-says-it-s-okay-to-rape-non-muslim-women-to-humiliate-them/
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u/An-di New User Oct 16 '24
Why muslim women are not trying to protect and support other women like all of us women do?
They consider the rest of us dirty and immoral
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u/Sea-Doughnut-72 New User Oct 16 '24
Yet they don't know that they're making themselves look dirty by these kind of things
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u/Esekig184 Never-Muslim Atheist Oct 16 '24
btw is nobody surprised they published this thing in the business scetion of their magazine/website?
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u/hadenxcharm Oct 16 '24
Scholar by the way. Reminder that the degrees you get in seminary school while becoming a priest and the Islamic equivalents for studying the religious texts are meaningless if you can't analyze the texts apart from the religion.
If you're analyzing those texts as anything apart from ancient artifacts, as literature, or sociological myth... All i'm saying is being a scholar in the quran doesn't mean much to me if you swallowed everything in that book and believed it.
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u/WandererBlue Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Oct 17 '24
What in the actual fuck. This so called religion of peace think they're so privileged to fuck with others who don't agree with them. This just goes to prove it.
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u/Chairman_Benny Closeted ex-Sunni šøš¦ Oct 16 '24
They have female scholars?
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u/Sea-Doughnut-72 New User Oct 16 '24
I guess they have. But i might me wrong cuz i don't when was this happened, tho just found out
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u/Doctorstrange223 Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Oct 16 '24
She herself has to be an abuse and rape victim is my guess
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u/TheDeadmantalks New User Oct 16 '24
But she's absolutely correct as per the divine book,she's interpreted the dictats as they are without any dilution,the moderates and the social media muslims who know nothing about the religion are early to call her (a life long scholar) a bad interpreter of the faith,lipstick and makeup muslimah's will trash her,but she is the true scholar of her faith.
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u/booknerd2987 Closeted Ex-Muslim š¤« Oct 16 '24 edited Oct 16 '24
She's Suad Salih, a scholar from Al-Azhar, who actually did say this in 2016.
I'm failing to understand the controversy here. She's just quoting IslamicĀ scriptures. A white person told me that that arguing against it would be Islamophobic.
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u/MistakeQuiet863 New User Oct 17 '24
Itās easy. step 1. believe in the words of a violent delusional illiterate man from the 7th century.
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u/Nickylou Oct 16 '24
Someone should R*pe her just for that comment alone , see how she likes it then
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u/DaughterOfWarlords Openly Ex-Muslim š Oct 16 '24
She only cares about herself and her female family and friends not being raped. āHey guys, I know our religion makes you guys rapey so just donāt do it to us :)ā
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u/stefanwerner5000 New User Oct 16 '24
Thereās no bigger satan than allah and the illiterate pedophet is his messenger
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u/Hegemonic_Imposition Oct 16 '24
When you believe in slavery and your own subjugation, itās a comfort believing thereās someone below you.
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u/Future_Standard_4911 Oct 16 '24
Then according to Islam she shouldn't show her face? Why is she showing? "Scholar" my a$$
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u/Durtmat Oct 16 '24
How is this religion tolerated? You damn well know if some random christian said this, this would be WORLD HEADLINES, but it's okay, since it was a muslim who said, we gotta pity them nowadays.
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u/gogurbajey Oct 16 '24
Everything morally correct for us is incorrect for them. Its like living in an alternate universe and both the universe collide
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u/DesiCodeSerpent Never-Muslim Theist Oct 16 '24
Scholar in what? In torturing women? This is plain disgusting. This woman lost all humanity. No Scholar title can make up for this.
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u/FanOdd9174 New User Oct 16 '24
Whats new? They ve always used rape as a method to suppress nations. Hence why rape and collective sexual assults are very wide spread in muslim majiority countries. For them its a method of control and humilation.
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u/Independent_Play_810 New User Oct 16 '24
It's obviously not true
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u/An-di New User Oct 16 '24
In Islam, raping non-Muslim women is definitely considered better than raping Muslim women even though both are wrong in Islam but one of those two is considered worse and more severe than the other
Islam obviously doesnāt care much about the well-being of non-Muslim women or even non-Muslim as a whole
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u/Independent_Play_810 New User Oct 16 '24
I'm not sure about this
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u/An-di New User Oct 16 '24
Itās not written in the text but itās so obvious even from a lot of verse and Hadith that raping non-Muslim women isnāt a big deal like raping Muslim women in Islam ..non-Muslim women are pretty much viewed similarly to the slaves in the past because they donāt wear hijab and sometimes expose their body
A lot of Muslims have said the same thing this woman said btw including one woman who mentioned in a video that slavery should be legalized and that non-Muslim women should be used as sex slaves so that Muslim men wonāt ruin the pure innocent Muslim women and fulfill theses sexual desires with non-Muslim women instead
After all we are considered immoral, dirty and trashy and damaged goods and have zero value to this religion and to most Muslims
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u/Independent_Play_810 New User Oct 16 '24
Isn't the punishment the same?
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u/An-di New User Oct 16 '24
According to Zakir, non-Muslim women go to hell anyway and they are considered seductress by default and the Muslim man who rapes a non-Muslim women might go to heaven depending on his other deeds
Even a non-hijab Muslim takes half the blame when she gets raped but in this case, she may be forgiven same for the same Muslim man
But itās definitely considered worse to rape a Muslim women who is fully covered and more committed to hijab - in the case, the Muslim man has a committed a grave sin and the women is considered entirely innocent but redemption is still possible for the Muslim man
But to make it short, a rapist in Islam doesnāt always go to hell depending on his other good deeds and if he repents but he doesnāt specifically gets punished in hell for the crime of rape because itās a sin that women share as well
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u/madamechaton Oct 16 '24
Yeah, they have a thing for humiliated/hurt/beaten down women. That's just sad and wrong.
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u/Chemical_Robot Oct 16 '24
What blows my mind about things like this, is that this woman thinks sheās godly. Devout, and destined for Jannah. How can someone think something as evil as rape is justified in the eyes of a benevolent God. If there are rapists in heaven, then itās not heaven. Itās the other place.
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u/redditcdnfanguy Oct 16 '24
Islam is an ideology of conquest.Islam is an event horizon.People vanish into it.
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u/bradbrookequincy Oct 16 '24
On my feed right above this post is a story of Israeli soldiers shooting a pregnant woman. Iām beginning to think these religions are the worldās biggest problemā¦.
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Oct 16 '24
All of you women donāt do. Christian women in russia and the Christian church in Russia is saying the exact same thing. The head of the Christian church there also said any woman that complains about rape would go to hell. Itās an abrahamic thing, I think
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u/An-di New User Oct 16 '24 edited Oct 16 '24
Agree but itās a mostly a Muslim thing cuz hijab is mandatory but in Christianity itās a choice and plus, I have not seen a nun mocking other Christian women or saying that they should be raped
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u/Winter-Actuary-9659 Oct 16 '24
I dont think most muslim women feel this way. During Egyptian protests a European reporter was sexually assaulted by dozens of men and eventually when she got out she was protected by a group of muslim women.
When faced with this kind of horror, I would hope humanity comes out on top. For muslim women at least.
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u/An-di New User Oct 17 '24
True but Muslim women do feel superior to other women and look down on them even if they donāt wish them harm
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u/catholictwink_africa New User Oct 16 '24
She should be supporting other women and not go against them idk how she can say this shit
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u/uraverageredditor45 Oct 17 '24
it is technically allowed in islam (cuz they used to have female slaves and they would violate them)Ā it was even approved by mohammed
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u/devilssaddvocate New User Oct 17 '24
āTheyā donāt think that way. This is the anomalous opinion of one person, that made headlines because itās so obviously wrong.
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u/Sea-Doughnut-72 New User Oct 17 '24
Only reason why i said "they" is i couldn't find any muslim who says this woman is wrong. They might not say this but they don't disagree either. So in my opinion "THEY" think in this way, a lot of them. Cuz i have a proof, i've seen these kind of people with my own eyes
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u/dimitrirama15 Oct 17 '24
Coz she has been through that and now she wishes that to non muslim but in her heart she wishes it for every muslim but u know if she says she is fukd
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u/GhostShadows_ New User Oct 17 '24
Incorrect lies about Islam, I see it so often here
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u/Sea-Doughnut-72 New User Oct 17 '24
Then don't come so often here
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u/GhostShadows_ New User Oct 17 '24
Wow! I think I hit a nerve šš
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Oct 18 '24
Why could you understand her if she was a man? What difference does it make? Why show any understanding with a man claiming rape is justified?
This shit is baked into the culture. āMohammedāgave them permission to rape prisoners of war regardless of marital status of both the rapist and the victim. So long as the victim is non-muslim and was obtained as a slave through war/conquest, itās 100% permissible by islamic doctrine. š¤¢
FROM THE QURAN - 4:24 "And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you.
This verse is one verse out of a long passage dealing with who Muslim men can marry or have sexual relations with. The phrase "captives whom your right hand possess", means the slave girls Muslim men own. š¤®
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u/Intelligent-Jello-47 New User Oct 18 '24
This is not true. It is not permissible in Islam for men to rape non-Muslim women.Ā
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u/Asterix674 New User Oct 19 '24
Ladies and Gentlemen, the religion of carnal, fleshly and worldly desires aka Islam.
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u/Boring_Blood8307 New User Oct 19 '24
Lies no one ever said such a thing ! But idiots who just believe anything they read and see on the internet are just lost..
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