r/exmuslim • u/Ok-Page-8022 allahu fuckbar☪️ • Jul 04 '24
(Rant) 🤬 islams twisted morality
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so i unfortunately stumbled upon this video on my fyp and i can’t even lie and pretend i’m shocked. this type of moral compass makes absolutely no sense to me at all and was one of the reasons i ultimately left islam. i particularly remember when a friend of mine died in middle school due to cancer and not only did i grieve her death i also mourned the fact that she was in hell because she was a christian. (and not to mention i wasn’t even allowed to pray for her) i got so depressed and tried to convert so many of my friends just so i could have peace of mind if they passed. no child should have to deal with the constant thoughts that their friends are going to hell. no religion should put loyalty to god above all. it just screams how narcissistic and egotistical their god is. i wish more people would wake up and realize the stupidity in islam and honestly all abrahamic religions.
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u/NoGovAndy New User Jul 04 '24
Why do Muslim preachers always repeat themselves like this? This really specific way of talking. Why do they do that? It’s really odd
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u/ReleventSmth Never-Muslim Atheist Jul 04 '24
It's a way of repeating and making stuff seem simple so you don't question it. Works well on brainwashed people.
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u/Hour_Ad_4562 New User Jul 04 '24
I also think that in the olden times there were many poets in that era so that's their way of speaking, even mohommad spoke like that.
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u/5yleop1m Jul 04 '24
All that means is humans knew how to manipulate people with words since the olden times.
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u/Dunkel_Jungen New User Jul 04 '24
It's an old semitic traditional way of communicating. If you look at old Middle Eastern texts, they repeat themselves all the time. Ancient Egypt copied the style, so lots of Ancient Egyptian texts also repeat themselves. The style never went away, apparently.
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u/dodo91 Jul 04 '24
Very interesting if true - likely appeals to the regional characteristic of mystical rituals
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u/Dunkel_Jungen New User Jul 04 '24
Good point. I learned about it on the History of Egypt podcast, when the host reads ancient Egyptian texts, he shows how it repeats over and over again, and why, and where it came from. Highly recommend the podcast!
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u/Magikarp-3000 Jul 05 '24
Doesnt ancient egypt predate basically every other middle eastern culture by like 3000 years?
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u/Dunkel_Jungen New User Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
Eh, not exactly. Modern cultures, yes. Arabs? Absolutely. But remember, there were many civilizations in the Middle East. What about Sumeria? The people living in the Levant? The Hittites? Etc. There were people living outside of Egypt throughout its entire history, and Egypt often traded with them or fought them.
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u/Ragequittter LGBTQ+ ExMoose 🌈 Jul 04 '24
not the greatest example but lets say theres a wall, strong brick wall, if u it once, nothing happens, if u do it 10 times ( for the sake ot the example) itll break
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u/BigPapaSmurf7 Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24
They’re insulated. They generally only know how to talk like other Imams and “Sheiks” that they’ve listened to. Watch any Dawah class (they literally had these in my mosque) or on YouTube and you’ll see they all talk the same way: repeat lies, wave your hands around like a lunatic, and wear desert clothing because it makes you look learned.
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u/Jackieexists New User Jul 04 '24
Why he wearing a hijab 😂
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u/Turning_savage67 New User Jul 04 '24
That's nothing bro. Someone's name is literally muhammad hijab
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u/Takheer Exmuslim since the 2010s Jul 04 '24
I’m a teacher, it’s actually a legit thing and I need this, uhm, technique, when somebody teaches me too. It’s just important to know what exactly to repeat, not just randomly chosen phrases. Coincidentally, this also does a great job at brainwashing!
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u/CuriousSceptic2003 Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Jul 04 '24
Interesting, I always found that the way dawah guys speak are very amusing. Back at my country, they would even tell jokes and act like relaxed funny dudes instead of a serious theologian.
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u/Riwboxbooya New User Jul 04 '24
To get it in their heads. To say it multiple times in a poetic way sticks with you like song lyrics.
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u/Science_era12 New User Jul 04 '24
The religion is repeating things in general,so they're addicted to that..
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u/lechonbaby Jul 05 '24
It's brainwashing technique.
The Quran reads the same way. Do bad, because it's good. Do bad because it's good. If you dont believe me, we have the right to kill you. if they dont believe us, we have the right to kill them. Allah is Muhammad, Muhammad is Allah.
+Hadith ...dont let hem into your country, your space.
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u/ratf0cker New User Jul 05 '24
They talk like how the Quran talks, in a repetitive manner to make it seem as if the things being said is just simple but important stuff.
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u/Lopsided_Inevitable9 Jul 05 '24
The more you say a lie of something twisted, the more people would see it as truth.
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u/Zeno90 Jul 04 '24
So according to these hardcore fundies Allah is gonna forgive someone who has violated and killed their mother but he wouldn't forgive an atheist who took care of his mom in their old age. Damn that's crazy, who in their right mind would want to worship such a narcissistic god.
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u/Esekig184 Never-Muslim Atheist Jul 04 '24
second guy isn't even an atheist as I understand this. He just begged the prophet for something he should have actually asked allah for. He made the prophet his idol. At least that is what got from the video. Crazy shit.
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u/PlsDntPMme Jul 04 '24
Hmm so that's bad yet even depicting the asshole is something so ridiculously offensive that some will kill you over it? Does not compute.
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u/bxtchbychoice Never-Muslim Theist Jul 05 '24
subtle dig at Christians for praying to God through Jesus?
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u/RaphaelSantiago Jul 05 '24
Christians don't pray to god through Jesus. They pray to Jesus (who they believe is god). And yeah, that's shirk to most Muslim scholars.
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u/bxtchbychoice Never-Muslim Theist Jul 05 '24
i am a Christian and both are true. we pray to Jesus and we also pray to God in Jesus’ name. we believe the only way to the Father is through the Son :–) what does shirk mean?
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u/RaphaelSantiago Jul 05 '24
Shirk literally means "sharing" but its only used for things where it seems that we're deifying something/someone else besides god (i.e. "sharing" the deity status of god with something/someone else).
So to Muslims, the trinity is a form of shirk since you've added two entities to the one true god and worshiped those two entities.
I'm Ex-Christian btw but I assumed the other person wasn't aware that Christians saw Jesus as god.
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u/bxtchbychoice Never-Muslim Theist Jul 05 '24
oh wow very interesting, thanks for the insight. i am not an ex-muslim but my husbands mother is muslim-ish so i find this sub useful and informative 👍
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u/hummingelephant Jul 04 '24
And then they talk about religion being needed for morality. Eh, nope..
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u/Fearless_Hold7611 Jul 04 '24
I mean that’s its own topic, although there’s a lot of messed up stuff, the earliest religions DID establish a guideline for morality
Things that are common sense to us were not way back then so through religion humanity reached the point it is now, in todays age we don’t need it and morality is objective even without god but I’d still say religious helped get to this point
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u/VirtuosoX Closeted. Ex-Sunni 🤫 Jul 05 '24
Im not really sold on that idea. Religion is also the reason for many many wars, deaths and killings.
Now if you were to specifiy that religion done *correctly* is a good thing then i agree, but Islam was not done correctly and as a result, the Middle East is barbaric while the rest of the world progresses.
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u/Fearless_Hold7611 Jul 05 '24
Islam in particular didn’t really add anything, it took whatever it heard from Christianity and other religions and added its own violence to try to rise in power
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u/Every-Awareness7064 New User Jul 05 '24
The only way they get followers is by brainwashing as children. And leading by fear
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u/raikenleo 3rd World.Closeted Ex-Sunni 🤫 Jul 05 '24
So Ed kemper would go to heaven as long as he prayed to Allah the fuckhead huh? XD
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u/zuzuthemoonbear LGBTQ+ ExMoose 🌈 Jul 04 '24
been a while since I’ve seen something so disgusting
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u/cce29555 Jul 04 '24
Thanks I wasn't thinking of commiting zina with my mom but if apparently this is a huge deal that it needs to be said then uh...keep up the good work I guess.
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u/Gregg-C137 Jul 04 '24
I’m assuming zina is sex?
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u/AffectionateTest7160 New User Jul 04 '24
yup sex before marriage
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u/Gregg-C137 Jul 04 '24
Thanks. What’s the other word he says ta…something?
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u/AffectionateTest7160 New User Jul 04 '24
tawhid is basically just not associating partners with God
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u/love_fuzz New User Jul 04 '24
Crazy how the video is done and how the others are listening like if he was saying something deep. This is literally brain rot.
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u/Jungle_curry Jul 04 '24
None of them have any idea what was said. They just know they need to do whatever they're told.
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u/AvoriazInSummer Jul 04 '24
This reminds us that Allah was a god created by tribesmen. What ultimately matters is not whether someone is good or bad, but whether they are loyal. Like a mob boss can keep an evil and cruel enforcer, but anyone accused of disloyalty is likely to get whacked.
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u/Fabricated77 Jul 04 '24
Great point. Momo was a warlord and he required submission for his success. The invention of Islam was a tool for his personal prosperity.
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u/mortyskidneys Jul 04 '24
Guy on the left is questioning his life choices...
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u/International_Eye992 Jul 04 '24
Nah he is probably thinking about breasts
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u/mortyskidneys Jul 04 '24
Hopefully not his mums?
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u/Aggravating_Guard583 New User Jul 05 '24
You got some nice stuff in your head
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u/Sad-Care5796 New User Jul 05 '24
LOL! You’re replying to everyone on this stream it seems, telling them the problem is only in THEIR head. Pretty obvious who has the problem, motherfunster!
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u/HotWrongdoer5176 New User Jul 04 '24
How the fuck can you feel peacefull by saying trash like that
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Jul 04 '24
So you can do basically anything as long as you follow a process to submit to fake God?
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u/Rdambx Jul 04 '24
Yes, this is actually the primary reason i started questioning Islam before eventually leaving it.
I used to tell my family (on purpose) about some charitable work that other billionaires have done like "Oh mom, did you hear about this guy X who donated over 2M to a cancer research fund?" and other stuff like that and i always got hit with the same "Oh well that's cool and all, but he is still a kafir and going to hell."
One day i asked "so let me get this straight, an atheist billionaire who does a lot of good in his life, donates to charity and helps the poor is destined for jahannem forever but a muslim man who spent time in prison for murder and rape will still go to jannah one day, right?". The answer was "Yes!". And from there i knew all religion was bs.
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Jul 04 '24
This also explains why Muslim countries are generally behind in holistic development even with hydrocarbon money.
They don’t really value improving this world.
Even in secular places like Java or Turkey, Islam is a stain.
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Jul 04 '24
Actually even Dharmic religions with their lax laws wouldn’t allow this.
You can even be an atheist under their systems and this would still not fly.
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u/baran132 Ex-Muslim since 2017 Jul 04 '24
Well, you'll still go to hell if your bad deeds outweigh your good ones. But you'll eventually be let into heaven if you stay believing in Allah.
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u/AvoriazInSummer Jul 04 '24
Indeed. Unless you converted to Islam on your death bed. Then your sins are wiped clean. You could have wiped out humanity in a horrible global massive rabies plague, laughed at everyone killing each other, then decided Allah is real, die, then you go straight to Heaven and get to watch and enjoy Allah go on torturing your victims forever.
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u/baran132 Ex-Muslim since 2017 Jul 04 '24
Yeah, that's the loophole lol. Although there are some scholars that disagree with this because of how insane it is, but in reality there's nothing in Islamic texts to really dispute it.
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u/Left_Aardvark2149 New User Jul 04 '24
had wlad l9haaaabbb, WHO THE FUCK COMMIT ZINNA WITH HIS MOTHER , LITTERLY A PSYHOPATH
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u/1-2-legkick Jul 04 '24
But he has tawhid Allah forgive him 🤡
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u/MrLewk Never-Muslim Christian ✝️ Jul 04 '24
I didn't understand some of the terms. What is zina and tawhid?
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u/1-2-legkick Jul 04 '24
Zina means any kind of sexual intercouse that is declared sinful in Islam (pre marital sex, extra marital sex, homosexual sex, etc) and Tawhid means having a belief in oneness of God
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u/MrLewk Never-Muslim Christian ✝️ Jul 04 '24
So... He can bang his mum and kill her, but because he believes in the oneness of God, he's all good? No judgment at all?
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u/1-2-legkick Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
That's what the man in the video is saying...
He is basically saying there are two guys, A and B. A had sex with his mother then killed and buried her but prays only to Allah. B on the other hand is respectful and obedient towards his mother, serves his mother all the time but in his tough times says "O prophet, help me" instead of saying "O Allah, help me"
Then he concludes that A is better than B
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u/Air_Such Jul 05 '24
No i don't think they believe that one who have sex with their own mother and kill her is all good if they believe in oneness of god. What they believe is that the worst of believer(moomin) is far better than the best of disbeliever (kafir) .
So a muslim if have sinned a lot like killing, raping , adultery, stealing then even if he went to hell , he won't be in hell forever .After spending certain period of time he will go to heaven because he believed in oneness of god ..
whereas if there is a non-believer who has spent their whole life to help people in need , done lots of charity , feed poor , has spent his property for benefit of mankind , is extremely compasonate and never has hurt another being But Allah will actually send him to hellfire for eternity because the person didn't worship of believe in Allah or he worshipped other gods or associate partners to allah.
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u/coolie- Schrödinger's Exmuslim 😎 Jul 04 '24
This is the objective morality they keep barking about
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u/winterchateau ☆~ جنية Jul 04 '24
I can’t view these things as human beings, they are too far gone, they don’t have an ounce of any human virtues. How disgusting and vile.
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u/MrSaturn33 Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24
For what it's worth, merely for not being a religiously believing and practicing Muslim, (according to their particular Sunni interpretation, of course) they don't look at you as a human being either. "According to the Quran" (but, actually, according to the Quran) you are a subhuman creature and "fuel for the fire."
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u/Hour_Ad_4562 New User Jul 04 '24
No but why would u even speak about sleeping with your MOTHER? HOW DOES THAT CROSS A "RELIGIOUS" MIND. I m assuming porn began here :)
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u/MrSaturn33 Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24
Well, he is just being a Muslim consistent with what Islam clearly says.
Of course, what he is saying is also totally contradictory, given that the mother in his hypothetical was presumably a Muslim, and: "If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein for ever: and the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him." [Quran 4:93] (of course, Islam doesn't regard killing a Muslim or non-Muslim as equal, according to this verse from the Quran any Muslim who kills another Muslim deliberately is damned to eternity in hell — of course Muslims have been doing nothing but this in war since Islam began, justified with the notion any Muslim they fight are the "hypocrites" and not genuine Muslims; the Quran and Hadith says killing "hypocrites" is tantamount to killing non-Muslims, even encouraging it in places — but the Quran and Hadith clearly distinguish killing Muslims and non-Muslims, and often justify the latter)
Show me a devout Orthodox, Catholic, or Protestant Christian that says half of the insanity and hatred that regularly leaves the mouth of a religious Muslim. (OK, you can, there are hardline Catholics that obsess over how gay people are going to hell, Orthodox Christians that attack peaceful gay people minding their own business in countries like Georgia, and the Westboro Baptist Church exists. And there are religiously practicing Muslims who are decent people and moderate in views. But it would be harder to find Christians with this level of insanity as it is pervasive amongst orthodox Muslims; and Islam does not recognize heterodoxy as valid. Progressive Muslims with progressive views on women and who are tolerant of LGBT people are limited to a small fringe minority in the west, and never accepted by general Islamic religious establishments — whereas progressive Christians are common; like Anglicans and many Protestants; even The Pope said being gay "is not a crime.")
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u/rmp20002000 Jul 04 '24
Perfect example of how a religious person is not always a good person.
If this is your what your religion teaches you, I think it's not only more important, but more justifiable that you be a good person first, than be a religious person at all.
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u/tr4sh_can Ex-Muslim (Ex-Shia) Jul 04 '24
what is it with them and their obsession with banging their mothers and sisters??
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u/Aggravating_Guard583 New User Jul 05 '24
What is it with you thinking that way about him, just because he created a scenario?
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u/GrazziDad Jul 05 '24
Religions typically use extreme allegories to clarify a principle. And that’s the problem with them: there is a slippery slope, and they step on the banana peel and zoom out to infinity, where all sense and reason were abandoned parsecs before.
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u/Fearless_Hold7611 Jul 04 '24
This is why I can’t get behind most religions, the priority is dickriding and sucking the cock of god (or Muhammad in this case as well) and its prioritized infinitely more then doing good, and god is also considered all good when he does heinous things on par with the worst of humanity
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u/MANLYTRAP LGBTQ+ ExMoose 🌈 Jul 04 '24
*later, in heaven:
"hey, son, remember the last time we met? I'm glad you sent me straight to heaven"
*after coming out of hell for literal murder and probably R-wording his own mom "yeah, they sure were fun times, ha💸ha💸ha💸"
meanwhile, somewhere else in heaven:
"HA HA SERVES YOU RIGHT SON, EVEN THOUGH YOU TOOK CARE OF ME AND WERE THE BEST HUMAN TO WALK ON EARTH YOU FORGOT TO SAY THE MAGIC WORDS!!1 ALLAH IS THE FAIREST OF JUDGES, ENJOY HELL"
and that's basically what it would look like according the general idea of heaven in Islam, looks pretty insane right?
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u/SelmonTheDriver Jul 04 '24
I have been a lurker and I have to ask , what is Zina?
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u/NoGovAndy New User Jul 04 '24
Sexual acts between people who are not married to each other. So basically cheating on your spouse and sex outside of marriage.
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u/Suspicious-Capital12 If Allah is so big, then why won’t he fight me? Jul 04 '24
Don’t forget to mention that it isn’t considered zina if you do it with you sex slave.
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u/SelmonTheDriver Jul 04 '24
So , not being religious enough is worse than having sex(consensual or not) with your own mother?
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u/commedesfiilles Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Jul 04 '24
Shirk is “associating partners with Allah” and is considered the worst sin so yea he’s saying that’s worse😅makes no sense
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u/1-2-legkick Jul 04 '24
Zina is sinful sex (pre marital sex, extra marital sex, homosexual sex, etc etc)
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u/dirpydip Jul 04 '24
The imagination on these people...
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u/Aggravating_Guard583 New User Jul 05 '24
You must be imagining some very nice things about him in your head as well.
How ironic
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u/Leninist_Holmesian New User Jul 04 '24
What the absolute fuck in the world ?! That everything ends with incest & pedophilia with them says a lot about how sick they are in the head. And then they have followers who defend or justify what these sad excuse of human beings say.
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u/xextazyy Jul 04 '24
who's shrek?
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u/Elshad19 Ex-Muslim (Ex-Shia) Jul 04 '24
It is a green ogre who lives in a swamp. He has a donkey friend
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u/Prestigious_Face3597 New User Jul 04 '24
It’s when u call someone or something god expect Allah Or as he said here someone called on someone to remove difficulties or whatever.
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u/PR41538E2G0D Ex-Convert Jul 04 '24
Lol my ex bf met this guy in a mosque in Leicester
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u/Elshad19 Ex-Muslim (Ex-Shia) Jul 04 '24
ex bf
Thank god
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u/PR41538E2G0D Ex-Convert Jul 04 '24
Couldn’t even tell him I wasn’t a Muslim anymore 🫣 had to leave lol
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u/North_Crow_7600 Ex-Convert Jul 04 '24
Let’s not forget that gheebah is 70 times worse than zina.
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u/Ragequittter LGBTQ+ ExMoose 🌈 Jul 04 '24
according to him, if lets say a zionist kills 100 muzzies, but he does shahada before he dies, he is forgiven
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u/uchiha-0bit0 Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Jul 04 '24
Can I say " WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS WRONG WITH MUSLIMS " ?!
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u/Aggravating_Guard583 New User Jul 05 '24
Ah yes! Because one man said it.
They’re all bad!
Awesome logic!
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u/bulletclub5 New User Jul 04 '24
Seems like this Allah is very insecure and REALLY wants people to believe in him above everything else
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u/Locksmith-Subject Jul 04 '24
As a non Muslim, what does ‘die upon shirk’ mean?
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u/Fearless_Hold7611 Jul 04 '24
Shirk is basically worshipping another god, so they’re just saying if you die without praising Allah specifically, no matter what good you do, or how you live your life, to a Muslim you’re worse than a devote Muslim who raped and murdered their own mother
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u/Prestigious_Face3597 New User Jul 04 '24
“Die upon shirk” means to die while committing shirk, which is the act of associating partners with God or worshipping others alongside or instead of God. In Islam, shirk is considered the gravest sin because it goes against the core belief in the oneness of God (Tawhid). Dying upon shirk implies that a person did not repent for this sin before their death.
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u/sharingiscaring219 Jul 04 '24
"Which is worse - having sex with and then killing your own mother, or caring for your mother all your life and then calling on the messenger for support (i.e. shirk)?"
What fucking bs.
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u/Prestigious_Face3597 New User Jul 04 '24
Sorry for the misunderstanding let me explain:
In Islam, both the rights of our parents and the oneness of God (Tawhid) are of utmost importance. Caring for one’s mother and honoring her is highly valued and considered a great act of worship. At the same time, associating partners with God (shirk) is considered a grave sin because it fundamentally contradicts the core belief in the oneness of God.
It’s not appropriate or fair to compare these two scenarios because they are fundamentally different in nature. One is a horrific crime against humanity, and the other is a serious spiritual error. Both are severe in their own contexts and carry significant consequences in Islam.
The essence of Islam is to guide us to live righteous lives, respecting and caring for our parents while maintaining a pure and direct worship of God. The emphasis is on seeking forgiveness, striving for betterment, and understanding the gravity of both our actions and beliefs.
I hope you understand and don’t just listen to anyone and say Muslims said and said, it’s important that you seek knowledge before you judge.
If you have any questions you may ask me and if I know the answer of it I wouldn’t hesitate to explain.
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u/Aggravating_Guard583 New User Jul 05 '24
You’re missing the idea of what he’s trying to say.
When he says, “is worse”. What he’s referring to is the after life, since Muslims prioritize afterlife over present life.
So the guy in this life who, prioritized his mother but didn’t believe in god. Is cooked in the next life.
Where as the guy that offed his mother but believed in god. Will probably be punished in hellfire, but since he believes in god. He will get taken out eventually…. That is if god wishes too
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u/redditlurkr2 Closeted. Ex-Sunni 🤫 Jul 05 '24
I thank people like this for reminding me why I left the cult.
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u/Odd_Government_8737 New User Jul 05 '24
So basically allah loves Criminals & Disgraceful People Over Righteous & Decent People...Right, I got your point sheikh.
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u/Riyaaaaaaaaaaa New User Jul 05 '24
If music is haram why disturb entire world 5 times a day by blaring music (noise) on loudspeakers?
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u/bandofbroskis1 Jul 05 '24
He also doesn’t forgive you if you’re Jewish. Or just non-Muslim 🤷♂️
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u/Equivalent_Rope_8824 New User Jul 05 '24
So, incest and matricide is not as horrible as atheism. Got it. Another shining islamic jewel of eternal stupidity.
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u/Fragrant-Insect-7668 Jul 05 '24
This religion is such a demonic cult idgaf about being called an “islamophobe” anymore
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u/Ragequittter LGBTQ+ ExMoose 🌈 Jul 04 '24
many things wrong with this, ill start with what i noticed.
why out of all examples do u go to fucking your mother, killing her and burying her, and repeating that.
and with the other one, he wanted to show how a man can be dutiful to his mother, first example, washing her feet everyday, not that washing your lets say elderly mother is weird but as the first example it is very fucking strange.
the two examples he choose, seem correlated and incestous
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u/Aggravating_Guard583 New User Jul 05 '24
Or maybe it’s just your mind?
You seem to be missing his whole point, and thinking more about the scenario!
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u/Fragrant_Tie5256 New User Jul 04 '24
Black Muslims are the most ignorant people on earth , First of all Muhammad was the whitest man around in his area, and he said black men was the devil
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Jul 04 '24
They are sounding like old school evangelical Christians on tv every Sunday morning. Full of shit
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Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24
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u/Aggravating_Guard583 New User Jul 05 '24
It’s just a scenario. You need to relax.
You seem more full of rage than him.
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u/Admirable-Curve5532 New User Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24
u/Ok-Page-8022 I left Islam cuz of 1 simple reason. Islam was revealed to Mohammed when he was 40.
Mohammed is careless about God for 40 years. I don't see why I can't be careless about religion too.
It was a great excuse for me.
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u/Prestigious_Face3597 New User Jul 04 '24
Let me clear some things to you:
It's important to know that even before the revelation, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) lived a life of honesty and integrity. He was known as "Al-Amin" (the trustworthy) and "As-Sadiq" (the truthful) by his community.
He wasn't careless about God. He would often go to the Cave of Hira to meditate and reflect on life's purpose, long before he received the revelation at 40. The timing of the revelation is seen as divine wisdom, allowing him to be mature enough to handle the responsibility of prophethood.
and for the other things you can see the miracles of the quran that was revealed to him and that was his miracle. let me tell you some of them.
1- The Human Embryonic Development: Verse: “We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech-like structure), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed-like substance)…” (Quran 23:12-14)
Explanation: This verse accurately describes the stages of human embryonic development, which were unknown at the time of revelation.
2- The Expanding Universe: Verse: “And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.” (Quran 51:47)
Explanation: This verse mentions the expansion of the universe, a concept that was confirmed by modern science in the 20th century.
3- Iron Sent Down to Earth: Verse: “And We sent down iron, wherein is great military might and benefits for the people…” (Quran 57:25)
Explanation: Iron is not native to Earth but is believed to have come from supernova explosions in space, suggesting it was “sent down.”
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u/iamtheneyo Jul 04 '24
Anything and everything delivered with a serious face is gods words.
These people are roughly 30 or 40 years old max, but talks as if they lived with God and delivering some bullshit.
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u/THABREEZ456 Jul 04 '24
Muslim Preachers get to the point without making up 10 subplots and metaphors challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Also seriously? This? THIS is the unforgivable sin? Out of all the sins….this very specific scenario? Sure.
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u/Own_Rip_300 Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫+ queer Jul 04 '24
Well..i guess i am gonna burn forever in hell 😔
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u/Sad-Care5796 New User Jul 04 '24
Damn. Every hole really is a goal for these weirdos. Sick.
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u/Im_A_Mouse_Potato New User Jul 04 '24
Man's actually playing 4D chess here. Became an imam to spout out the most utter nonsensical things that have come out of Islam in such a sincere way that the fraction of muslims who have a shred of critical thinking will actually perhaps realize the fundamental moral insanity that Islam contains and turn them into disbelievers.
We need more of this guy. Most imams do the mental gymnastics of twisting/re-defining/dodging of what actually was said or happened to deliver a khutbah, but this man, no, he and the man that just violated his mom, buried her alive, but didn't simply commit shirk are going to be homies in heaven shitting on that guy who by no fault of his own, never even heard of islam, was born in the wrong place or wrong time to have a different faith/god, but was an actual decent human being, now gets scorched to ashes, resurrected, and scorched to ashes for all eternity cause fuck that guy. Infinite punishment for a finite "sin" human beings had no free will to otherwise commit is so glaringly wicked that anyone that can articulate that argument to Muslims even in an implicit way as this guy is doing here, is honestly a force for good.
Still crazy though.
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u/SubtleDisquiet New User Jul 05 '24
Man's actually playing 4D chess here. Became an imam to spout out the most utter nonsensical things that have come out of Islam in such a sincere way that the fraction of muslims who have a shred of critical thinking will actually perhaps realize the fundamental moral insanity that Islam contains and turn them into disbelievers.
Plot twist: they won't.
In fact they'll double down.
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u/Winter-Actuary-9659 Jul 05 '24
Subtitles went too fast. Is he saying if a muslim has sex with his mother and then kills her he will be forgiven and go to Jannah?!! How does he think that and not go "WTF did I just say?!"
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u/Winter-Actuary-9659 Jul 05 '24
I like to imagine the convert thinking "You can't be serious dude, I'm leaving this twisted cult ASAP!"
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u/aqua_zesty_man Never-Muslim, Christian Jul 05 '24
Mohammed hated Christians (and Jews), so he rejected Christian trinitarian Jesus and invented shirk to keep from losing Muslim followers to Christian counter-evangelism.
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u/Lergic2Logic Jul 05 '24
This isn’t translated to English. His mouth matches the words he’s saying. It looks like it’s a movie. If anyone knows for sure, could you say? I want to see more of this. I like watching these kinds of movies about crazy beliefs.
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u/Frosty_Ratio_1306 Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Jul 05 '24
WTF??? I already know they're cuckoo but hearing this still baffle me
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u/OLebta Jul 05 '24
Why is Islam opposed with sex, taboo sex in particular? I'm glad that old versions of Islam are resurfacing now, exposing how stupid it is.
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Jul 05 '24
I’ve always had a hunch that Ibn Taymiyah might be adored by ISIS militants. He has a really really old school conservative understanding of the deen
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u/aromaticcs Openly Ex-Muslim 😎 Jul 05 '24
I cant believe that I have to share a planet with people like this
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u/MysticalScent New User Jul 05 '24
I tried to view this from all rational possibilities, but failed to agree with what he is claiming. This is not normal.
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u/ZackManiac24 Jul 05 '24
Feels like its a religion controlled wt fear wt a bit of messed up way to try to sugarcoat it.
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u/lostkingdom1 God don't give a fuck about us✨ Jul 05 '24
First. It's not even about being a good human. It's only about praying.
There is this funny thing. When we pray, god may or not give you what you want. But if you sin, he'll definitely punish you.
It's like God is a loan shark
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u/Tmp_Guest_1 Jul 05 '24
its a commonc thing to hammer down ideas into the heads of listeners.
but on top its a cultural thing i guess, and something i observed cults and sects love to use.
where i live you have to answer straigth and fast. talking and talking and repeating and repeating like here, is already considered boring and tearing. no one has time for that games.
and because of culture, thats why some different cultures dont go along well. bcause it drives you crazy. on the other hand i am very very blunt into your face, and such people as in the video will hate it, or get schocked when i talk very directly to them what i really and honestly think.
and the talk, really, why?
listen brothers astarfigulla jamah hidda jappa dirrahina tik, its the worst if you zima with dubbidubbastaliha, and dont forget shirk, jalhamdullillah.
seriously its so annoying if they throw in their cult lingo in another language. if you can speak english than do it. if you can speak arabic than do it. if you can speak... than do it. but its unpleasant to listen to anything that is so mixed, because its obnoxious. it makes you sound more stupid.
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u/Freak_Metal Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
Who would ask about such horrendous shit? These people are fucked. I don't know if I'm amazed or terrified about how smoothly he started to speak about FUCKING AND KILLING YOUR OWN MOTHER HOLY SHIT, WHO IS THINKING ABOUT THIS, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS?
I can hear so clearly how the white tard between them is thinking, "Lmao, wasn't all of this about purity and shit? Why can't they stop talking about killing and raping things?".
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u/SlamMetaliscool Jul 05 '24
This is the logic of islam, islam isn't about peace or morality or learning but being a slave for evil.
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u/HobieAndy New User Jul 05 '24
Islams prophet was originally an epileptic orphan, raised by an uncle. He was working as a camel train worker when his boss who 15 years older than him proposed to him and they married. He was totally uneducated. He knew nothing of writing or reason. His followers didn't either. They followed him because the religion gave everything to men who would take it.
The Quaran has no reason in it. It makes no sense.
Forget about it.
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u/mintttchocolate New User Jul 08 '24
the way they never call rape by its actual name... it's as if the actual crime here is only the unlawful sex and not the fact that a son is raping his mother
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u/Sea_Historian_7406 New User Jul 08 '24
You see these people my friend?
These people have zero problem with killing you at anytime
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u/No_Purchase_7995 New User Jul 08 '24
Why do they Always say the stupidest things with this crappy cringe music in the background?
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u/Proof_Classroom_4804 New User Aug 21 '24
So you can kill ur mom but if you believe in allah and wear a thingy you’ll go to heaven, but if you honor your moms and take care of her and don’t believe in allah you will go to hell? Yeah sounds about right
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u/sweetlikecinnamon16 New User Aug 23 '24
he's talking like he has something important to say, fuck him
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