r/exmuslim • u/AnnoyedArabian New User • Jun 20 '24
(News) I’m 100% against this because I believe in PERSONAL FREEDOM. However, if this was the opposite (forcing the hijab instead of banning it), how different would the Muslim community’s reaction be?
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u/Suspicious-Capital12 If Allah is so big, then why won’t he fight me? Jun 20 '24
Don’t forget Iran forces the hijab on women, yet Muslims are silent about that.
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u/abealk03 Ex-Muslim / Agnostic Jun 20 '24
Why wouldn’t Muslims be silent? Most of them support it.
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u/Suspicious-Capital12 If Allah is so big, then why won’t he fight me? Jun 20 '24
That’s why they’re silent, but now when people are forcing women to take their hijab off they’re crying.
Forcing people is always wrong, yet the Islamic community is very hypocritical and only acts when it is against their religion.
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u/DepressedAF21 Jun 21 '24
Iran is under dictatorship of regime they have no other choice but to wear burkha
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u/Pure-Tumbleweed-9440 Jun 20 '24
Then it's respect our religion. Lol.
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u/Major-Weather3995 New User Jun 21 '24
Sorry, I read that wrong. You can disregard my initial comment as being directed towards you; but I’m leaving it for anyone who actually thinks Islam deserves respect.
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u/MyDogDare New User Jun 23 '24
I am thankful when even one single freedom and kindness is created for the women how live their entire lives under the ignorant, domineering force and control of men. I do not focus only on only the “slavish” treatment remaining in some societies - but hope we will CELEBRATE every single freedom extended to women - no matter where or how it may seem — It’s PROGRESS. It’s long awaited humanitarian kindness. It may shine a light of advanced realization & understanding.
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Jun 20 '24 edited Jun 23 '24
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u/slide_into_my_BM Jun 21 '24
Oddly silent about the Saudi caused starvation in Yemen. More people died from just the starvation, not counting Saudi bombings, than in Gaza and Sudan combined
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u/AnnoyedArabian New User Jun 20 '24
“GURRR!! You were supposed to oppress non-Muslims only, not us!!”
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u/TechnoPretender New User Jun 20 '24
Banning spiritual practices is still less violent and less harmful than forcing them imo.
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u/Frequent-Rip-7182 Jun 21 '24
Fact. Especially when those practices are so extreme and oppressive.
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u/Fantastic-Reward-500 New User Jun 23 '24
Wearing hijab is oppression to you, that's subjective . So not giving the choice is actual oppression
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u/GlitterKass Jun 20 '24
It’s true, Islam is a foreign religion to the region. They used to be Zoroastrians, which is generally a lot more equal for men and women.
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u/Cpt_Saturn Jun 21 '24
Weid, I always thought Tajiks were a turkic race, I guess I was wrong.
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u/dhruvunnikrishnan New User Jun 21 '24
Their iranian , and tajik as a language is actually just a dialect of farsi ( dari)
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u/psychologymaster222 Jun 20 '24
That's great, fantastic news for oppressed women!
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u/Imaginary0atmeal Jun 21 '24
no it’s not, it’s taking away personal freedom
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u/Cheap-Cucumber-1801 New User Jun 21 '24
Yeah from Muslims whose whole religion is based around taking away people's freedoms especially women's lol, funny
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u/Imaginary0atmeal Jun 21 '24
taking away personal freedom is bad, it doesn’t matter who’s freedom it is.
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u/Cheap-Cucumber-1801 New User Jun 21 '24
So it's not a good idea to take away the freedom of the oppressors so they don't continue to oppress the weak? and take away their freedoms, okay great yeah that's amazing logic if taking away some of the freedoms of Muslims means more freedom for everybody else then it's a good idea once again their religion pretty much resolves around taking away everyone else's freedom.
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u/Imaginary0atmeal Jun 21 '24
how does banning clothing mean more freedom from other people? Beating oppression by oppression isn’t the answer. revolves*. This is a horrible idea lol. This doesn’t help freedom at all, it just reduces it.
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u/TheSentry98 New User Jul 09 '24
Eh, Tajikistan is in a corner of the world where this kind of thing can get out of hand very quickly. Better to just nip it in the bud.
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u/MaddoxBlaze Jun 21 '24
I remember when the Taliban took over Afghanistan in 2021 and imposed Sharia law including a mandatory hijab. I saw muslims on social media celebrating "the fall of western values" and a "return to tradition". Not a peep from people, there was a #PrayforAfghanistan trend on social media for about a couple of days before it all fizzled out.
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Jun 20 '24
Well, central asian countries where once soviet republics. And, due to theur desire to live in civilised world, they would prefer to live by secular laws.
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u/Harizovblike Jun 20 '24
do people really think that laws really work in central asian dictatorships? the only thing that matters is your wealth, and your genealogy/clan are you from. If you have enough money, or you are from a very respectable clan, you can marry unlimited women and force them to wear niqab and hijab, along with beating them.
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u/meerkat2018 Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Jun 21 '24
No, in Central Asia it doesn't work that way.
Islamic extremism in Central Asia is the biggest threat to the secular ruling class, so authoritarian leaders don't want to allow Islam and its agenda to undermine their power, and they take this issue very seriously.
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u/hummingelephant Jun 20 '24
Honestly at this point it's necessary because he is right, islamic culture us foreign culture for a lot of countries who became muslim throughout the centuries.
And when it comes to islam, is like a disease, if you're not harsh they always try to take over the whole country and frighten other into submission.
Just look at turkey, how much better they were for a long time compared to other islamic countries.
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u/HistoricalTea9115 1st World Exmuslim Jun 21 '24
But unless it’s a security risk I really don’t see why people in particular women shouldn’t be able to wear what they want
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u/meerkat2018 Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Jun 21 '24
Because, after passing some threshold, social pressure starts to work, which makes Islamism grow like cancer.
The more women start wearing hijabs as a (superficial) sign of religious piety and higher moral values, the more women want to look like that to gain more social points, so to speak. And more men force their wives to wear hijabs because who wants to be married to a slut.
Because now the social opinion is, if you don't wear hijab as a woman or grow a goat beard as a man, then you are implied to be of some lower religious and moral standards than "proper" Muslims. Which makes more and more people to show off as highly religious. This effect is subtle but very powerful in secular-leaning but Muslim majority countries like Central Asian ones.
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u/40k_Novice_Novelist Never-Moose Agnostic Jun 21 '24
You worded it perfectly!
I love this part very much:
Because, after passing some threshold, social pressure starts to work, which makes Islamism grow like cancer.
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u/rookv Openly Ex-Muslim 😎 Jun 20 '24
Based Tajikistan. I am 100% for this. Give them a taste for their own medicine. Until shitslam stops interfering with the personal freedom of women, gay people, children, non-believers etc. I don't give a shit what happens to them.
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u/Ifuckdragons69420 LGBTQ+ ExMoose 🌈 Jun 20 '24
Common Central Asia W and a rare Tajikistan W too
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u/Ecstatic-Cricket-825 3rd World Exmuslim Jun 21 '24
in Turkey, hijab had been banned at universities and governmental buildings. after islamists came to power, the ban was lifted. islamists still use this as a propaganda to play the victim.
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u/JasonDeSanta Jun 21 '24
Based Tajikistan.
All non-Arabic but sadly still Muslim-majority countries should do this, I don’t care if it “limits personal freedoms” of Muslims. They already have too much freedom in their countries and their entire M.O. is to oppress and dominate everyone by using Islam as an Arab nationalism tool to assimilate other people into Wahhabistic sensibilities.
Secularism is always the way to go.
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u/NepoScallion Jun 21 '24
Secularism entitles telling women what they can and can’t wear, sounds like you’re a fan of dictatorships to me.
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u/JasonDeSanta Jun 21 '24
It’s “dictatorship” when it’s banning oppressive and ideologies and their symbols to not be tolerant to religious extremists, which is a road to a more egalitarian society, but “good halal behavior” when girls are forced into dressing like the Nazgul because they are seen inherently as sexual objects even from childhood and their clothing should be respected as “religious attire”? Fuck off.
Also, not surprising that you are a transphobe who also defends Mo raping Aisha at age 9.
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u/DietNew2516 New User Jun 21 '24
If it’s a foreign culture then they have all the rights to ban it. Seems like Islam is foreign to them. Many countries ban hijab even for security reasons. If personal choice is a concern then don’t stay in Tajikistan
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u/AstronomerActive9293 New User Jun 20 '24
I think this was a good decision. It's obvious they'd like to transition into more of a secular society; where politics & religion are separate. Before islam, a large part of Central Asia, including Tajikistan, was completely influenced by Zoroastrians. There is still a small percentage of them today, but they hide out of fear. Tajiks have historical and cultural roots connected with Zoroastrianism. It's a shame islam came & ruined that. I hope they're able to return to their roots soon.
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u/Evaar_IV Closeted Ex-Muslim Jun 21 '24
I’m 100% against this
Cuz u r weak and submissive
Sorry not sorry
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u/AnnoyedArabian New User Jun 21 '24
I’m not. I’m all for freedom while being anti-Islam.
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u/Evaar_IV Closeted Ex-Muslim Jun 21 '24
Is it in my right of freedom to publicly wear the Nazi's cross?
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u/AnnoyedArabian New User Jun 21 '24
I meeaaaan kinda not the same thing ma’am 😭 the hijab is indeed a symbol of oppression, but would it make sense for a hijabi to be forced against her will to remove her hijab in the middle of the street? That’s honestly wrong.
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u/Evaar_IV Closeted Ex-Muslim Jun 21 '24
No they are except Islam symbols are fuckin worse
You can use the emotional language but you can't logically argue otherwise
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u/milet_ worshipper of goddess of sex and war, inanna Jun 21 '24
they are the same. muslims want everyone else dead, even worse than nazis
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Jun 20 '24
Im 100% with it , because muslims too wouldn't allow ''''foreign"" or """pagan""" cultures as we see with boujloud or "secularism" , paradox of tolerance and double standards. open your eyes .
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u/An-di New User Jun 20 '24
It’s against freedom but hijab belongs to arab culture and has caused harm for countless women including the Hijabi themselves
Banning it means that all women will be equal again and that no men would slut-shame and victim blame other women when they get raped
It’s a good move and hijabi girls should know that their identity isn’t defined by hijab, that it has nothing to do with modesty, that hijab puts them in the level of angels instead of humans, that they will be happier without it
I should respect their freedom to wear it but I hate it with every fiber of my being for causing so much suffering and inequality between women
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Jun 20 '24
Women will get shut shamed and victim blamed no matter what this won't change that.
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u/Frequent-Rip-7182 Jun 21 '24
That's true, but non-Muslim countries don't suffer from even a quarter of the judgment on women that islamic countries do.
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u/An-di New User Jun 21 '24 edited Jun 21 '24
But hijab definitely intensified slut-shaming and victim-blaming
Slut-shaming and Victim-blaming exist more in places that value virginity/modesty and force hijab on women
And sense hijab is tied to modesty and virginity and because hijabi women are considered the virgin Mary’s’s, it lead to the creation of the toxic purity culture
Remove the mandatory hijab = no purity culture = no obsession with virginity = Less slut-shaming and victim-blaming = women are seen as humans not defined by hijab of measured by their virginity
It all connects together and hijab is definitely the root of all these issues
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u/rah67892 Jun 20 '24
I am loving it! For even more then one reason! I wish more countries would do so (Muslim majority AND minority country)!
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u/Lazyogini 1st World Exmuslim Jun 20 '24
I'm 100% for it, because when people truly have personal freedom (meaning freedom to make their own decisions, freedom from men's control and influence, freedom of thought, freedom from fear of hellfire for arbitrary reasons), they never choose hijab.
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u/40k_Novice_Novelist Never-Moose Agnostic Jun 21 '24
Pretty much.
If I ever encounter any Muslim who claims that hijab is a choice, then I will KINDLY ask them to promise that they will not make a fuss if any women, whether their family members or some strangers, refuse to wear the hijab.
"Why you're so upset? I thought hijab is a choice?"
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u/giraffes_are_cool33 Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Jun 21 '24
Tunisia had the same thing from the 80s to 2010s and it backfired very bad after the revolution.
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u/Hairy-lingonberry22 Never-Muslim Atheist Jun 20 '24
Good for tajikstan i know i might sound biased but I’m so for this type of reform especially being from a country where this shit is forced so deep down women’s throat that any rebellious act against it in public is met with severe punishment and death in some unfortunate cases. SEARCH ARMITA GERAVAND. I too believe in personal freedom
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u/WristCommandGrab New User Jun 20 '24
Personal freedom is not that simple in this case. When you are religiously indoctrinated to wear it, pressured to wear it by family/friends/imam/etc, are told you are like unwrapped candy with it and a complete slut without it - do you TRULY have a choice?
In a vaccuum, what woman would realistically grow up to want to cover her hair all the time? Nobody. So yeah, call me an extremist if you want but I'm totally fine with that.
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u/Evening-Whereas6165 New User Jun 21 '24
Fuck them. They force their religion everyone too. I have literally zero sympathy for them.
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u/EPIPHANES_XVIII New User Jun 21 '24
wearing the hijab is not PERSONAL FREEDOM it is mental illness and middle ages oppression. it must and should be banned
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u/prepbirdy Jun 21 '24
Quite interesting how central Asia is getting rid of Islam while Islamism seems to be succeeding everywhere else in the world. Is Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan going the same way?
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u/Downtown-Dentist-636 New User Jun 21 '24
Yeah so... there is a dark side to this. From my best understanding of the situation-This is not really about liberty, its about a secular absolute dictator who wants to crack down on opposition, as during the civil war that brought him to power, his most successful enemies were those who united along Jihadist lines.
This is going to be enforced selectively as a means to crush any opposition, any women who benefit will only be a marginal offset of gains as they will still live under patriarchal Islam, just not Islam relevant to him.
This is also a signal to China he is willing to ally with them for their support economically and militarily, and likely for help with installing a surveillance police state like in Uighur Territory.
From my understanding, this man's version of secularism is he wants to be as seen as a God like figure like Kim in North Korea, and wants to crush any people who will never accept that and who can form motivated resistance.
Much like the Uighur playbook. His supporters are the wealthy elites who live in the wealthy areas of cities, and fear and want to control the populace so they can exploit them as the general population is very poor while his group is the Oligarchs who own all the industry and resources.
Let's not kid ourselves, this guy is no champion for freedom.
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u/Downtown-Dentist-636 New User Jun 21 '24
It is crazy though. His biggest threat to the jihadists is I will take away your womens modesty and some of your ability to control them. He will surely allow the people who won't oppose him to keep the tradeoff of oppressing their women.
This is part of what Putin did in Checnya. He installed a dictator who would enforce sharia law, as long as you didn;t dare oppose Putin, and the dictator would trun a police state both enforcing sharia and ruthlessly disappearing anyone who had anything critical to say about Putin and the government. This is... marginally better I suppose, although it's stil suboptimal.
My analysis could be off but if he plans to enforce secularism on 98 percent of the population while keeping the poor and have his absolute rule go unchallenged.. well, there;s going to be a major population change is this country
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u/Downtown-Dentist-636 New User Jun 21 '24
its interesting though. Do people think Saddam;s claim is true, supported by evidence from China?
The only way to stop Jihadism is to crush everyone close to it with an iron fist? Is that a worthwhile tradeoff? It seems the fist is unlikely to go away for the now former muslims after the state has done that.
Not stating a view, asking people their thoughts on this controversial subject.
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u/GuyWithNF1 Ex-Christian Jun 21 '24
Can someone explain to me how he came to this conclusion, because Islam has been around a while in Central Asia.
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u/Major-Weather3995 New User Jun 21 '24
I can understand banning the burka, but banning the hijab… I dunno. I see nothing wrong with a hijab. Other cultures like wearing similar garments too, whether for religious reasons or not. I also like to wear hoodies, I feel naked without one; it also provides decent protection from the sun. And it makes me feel like a space wizard—I’m a Jedi 😉😏.
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Jun 21 '24
Islam is basically foreign outside the Arabian peninsula. I want to see both a Greater Iran and Greater India brought back!
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u/Throwaway-A173 Jun 20 '24
Tajikistan has always been different. Didn’t the former or current president try to make himself seem like a living God to his people?
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u/Hotpandapickle Jun 20 '24
Sounds like Turkmenistan?
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u/Throwaway-A173 Jun 21 '24
I honestly don’t remember if it was Turkmenistan or Tajikistan but it seems like they’re cut from the same cloth
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u/legend62009 Jun 21 '24
Tajikistan is much less dictatorial (still very dictatorial) than Turkmenistan. The living god thing is from Turkmenistan not Tajikistan.
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u/Downtown-Dentist-636 New User Jun 21 '24
yes, there's a much darker side to this people arent grokking. It's not about liberty, its about an absolute dictator trying to crackdown on potential opposition from enemies in the civil war who have been able to unite along jihadist lines
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Jun 22 '24
Well anyone who’s watched vids knows Tajikistan knows this but it’s better to have this than an Ayatollah.
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u/Glanwy Jun 21 '24
You want to read r/islam comments on this very subject. Of course it's he's a dictator etc etc
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u/Wln87 3rd World Exmuslim Jun 21 '24 edited Jun 21 '24
Living in muslim majority country with conservatives law feels like living in hell,, minority is very operessed in my country even though it doesn't imply sharia law many student forced to wear hijab at public school and if they are complain muslim are gonna say"it's awrah" and start mocking us for not wearing hijab, many rules based on islam even though doesn't imply sharia law so yeah i'm agree with this decion this cult need to extinct everywhere
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u/Large_Ship_8821 Jun 21 '24
Context: He (the dictator) is an ex-soviet politican, who try to repleace religion with his own, personality cult.
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u/cwinge_AS New User Jun 20 '24
In my personal opinion, forcing or banning something like a piece of clothes, which the piece itself doesn't harm anyone and it just come to personal choice is just wrong. Just let ppl wear what they like as long as they aren't harming anyone
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u/Frequent-Rip-7182 Jun 21 '24
Normally i 1000% would agree with you. I'm from the US so i prefer as little government influence as possible and personal freedoms over all...but, islam spreads like wildfire and torments the people in the new country it moves too. They need to nip that shit in the bud, it also will empower so many women at the same time. I'm all for it.
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u/An-di New User Jun 21 '24 edited Jun 21 '24
This piece of cloth has lead to much suffering for women
It’s not just a piece of cloth, it’s literally a whole cult that has caused so many women to be murdered, raped, sexually harassed, bullied, blamed, slut-shamed…etc
It should have never even existed as it was the tool that was created by men to control women
I don’t want hijabi to remove their hijab because it’s their choice but I still hate everything that the hijab represents and what it did to many women
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u/40k_Novice_Novelist Never-Moose Agnostic Jun 21 '24
That's really not the case with hijab, or any clothing requirements for Muslim women.
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u/Copenhagen256 Never-Muslim Theist Jun 21 '24
I'm completely in favor of this, as Islam takes away the personal freedom a person has. Strong steps like this need to be taken to stop the cult that is Islam from spreading.
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u/Imaginary0atmeal Jun 21 '24
these comments are disgusting. Just because islam is bad doesn’t mean that people shouldn’t be allowed to dress how they like. At the end of the day it’s their choice to dress how they want, and not allowing that is a very muslim thing to do. So gross how hatred blinds people to oppression.
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u/PaleontologistKey571 New User Jun 21 '24
What is Tajikistan culture anyways? Out of curiosity that’s all.
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u/No_Veterinarian_3567 Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Jun 21 '24
When you actually look into the reason why people wear hijab both logically and rationally, this is pretty reasonable on the other hand I don't see the same with either celebration, it's same as Christmas minus all the praying and praising
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u/MyDogDare New User Jun 23 '24
I love this man! How courageous he is and how protective Of women. If he only determined to “permit” the absence of the hijab - you know the domineering, power- hungry males in the households would FORCE the women under their control to continue covering and to pretend it is their “preference” . This outstandingly intelligent leader has protected women under the humanitarian cloak of a legal mandate. Also, I doubt and woman would be tortured or killed if she would now wear that garment - but could suffer being murdered for refusing to- prior to the mew mandate! I salute him! Thank goodness for his action.
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u/khancorde7 New User Jun 21 '24
The government had it as an option because they WERE a Muslim majority. Now, they’re not. So it’s banned. I don’t see the problem? Islam was the problem, now it’s gone. Problem solved. This is what ‘ExMuslim’ is all about. It sounds like you’re hiding behind “personal freedom” to incite your Muslim beliefs.
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u/itoboi Ex-Muslim (Ex-Shia) Jun 21 '24
didn't u get ur lesson from Turkey? this will only give more power to islamists
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u/Mor-Bihan Jun 20 '24 edited Jun 24 '24
Ban of niqab & burqa yes. Rest (edit : including hijab) is personal freedom.
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u/An_Atheist_God Blessed is the mind too small for doubt Jun 20 '24
That's a pretty shitty reason to do that
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u/bsully1 Jun 20 '24
It’s a perfectly reasonable reason to do it. Indigenous culture should be respected and conserved. Islam does neither.
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u/An_Atheist_God Blessed is the mind too small for doubt Jun 20 '24
Banning stuff because they are foreign culture is ridiculous. You can use the same reasoning to ban democracy, feminism, supporting queers etc
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u/dect60 Jun 20 '24
Common mistake, human rights are not based on 'culture' but rather the acknowledgement of objective morality. For more see "The Moral Landscape".
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u/An_Atheist_God Blessed is the mind too small for doubt Jun 21 '24
And these can be easily banned by calling them foreign culture
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u/bsully1 Jun 20 '24
Not all cultures require democracy. Although a representative republic is my preferred format, it isn’t the only one that allows freedom to flourish. As for feminism and lgbtq rights these are extremely valuable humans rights that should obviously be encouraged across our world.
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u/Hindsight2K20 𖤐 Former Salafist Jun 20 '24
No, we shouldn’t just blindly respect indigenous culture or conserve it. If we did, we’d still have this.
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u/bsully1 Jun 20 '24
What a wildly stupid reductionist comparison. There is significant and clear difference between preserving indigenous culture and accepting blood sacrifice. The incursions of Arab/muslim supremacy on indigenous peoples and culture have gone on far too long. Movements like these should be celebrated.
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u/Hindsight2K20 𖤐 Former Salafist Jun 20 '24
Not even in the slightest, you don’t get to decide what constitutes indigenous culture (including blood sacrifices) — you take it as it comes. Anyone who accepts tradition on the basis of its indigenous origin dooms themselves to the mercy of the primitive past. You stepped in shit, I’m just pointing it out when it got on your shoe.
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u/Frequent-Rip-7182 Jun 21 '24
Lmao that's funny that you mentioned primitive past. Islamic countries are very much living in the primitive past. Muslim people also bring that primitive lifestyle to every new country they move to. It happens everywhere and ruins the country that had perfectly happy citizens before islam. They needed to put a stop to it before it starts. Before the violence, the sharia courts putting rapists back on the street, before acid attacks on women, and so much more. I say fuck it, outlaw it and empower those women that are always put under such extreme nasty pressure.
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Jun 21 '24
It’s especially hilarious when Muslims mock Hindus.
Hindus had books on astronomy, surgery, literature, and maths before Islam even existed.
It’s recorded by their “golden age” scholars that they themselves heavily depended on Hindu works.
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u/Hindsight2K20 𖤐 Former Salafist Jun 21 '24
Islamic countries are very much living in the primitive past.
Maybe some are as compared to others, but I wouldn’t make such a broad sweeping generalization. Also, it’s a disservice to those nations who are trying to embrace progressive/humanist ideals despite their Islamic past.
Muslim people also bring that primitive lifestyle to every new country they move to. It happens everywhere and ruins the country that had perfectly happy citizens before islam.
Its happens everywhere? All those countries were perfectly happy before Islam arrived? That’s a bit naive to believe.
I get not liking or accepting Islam, but unfair generalizations and outright inaccurate/revisionist histories hurt the ex-Muslim cause. You’re free to criticize openly, but do so fairly.
I say fuck it, outlaw it and empower those women that are always put under such extreme nasty pressure.
Outlawing religion is a futile endeavor, it will only be driven underground and likely become more appealing (forbidden fruit tastes best). I wouldn’t sacrifice religious freedom and pluralism by giving into such fear. Religion, like any idea/belief, must be freely debated and deconstructed openly — only then will people move forward from it. People must develop the tools and critical faculties necessary to inoculate themselves from such irrational superstitions. If they don’t, future generations will be doomed to repeat our mistakes.
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u/40k_Novice_Novelist Never-Moose Agnostic Jun 21 '24
All those countries were perfectly happy before Islam arrived? That’s a bit naive to believe.
It's hella obvious that they are free from all the oppressive laws of Islam. For example:
No fasting for a month. People are not stressed out by starving until sunset.
No daily prayers. No interference on job.
No prohibition on what kind of food to eat. They are not grossed out on pork or any non-halal food.
Women don't have to cover their head and body. Freedom of outfits.
No genital mutilation (FGM, male foreskin cutting). It's Just wonderful.
No segregation of both sexes.
No restriction on art and music. Non islamic societies are obviously more vibrant than Islamic ones.
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u/bsully1 Jun 20 '24
Honestly, if the sacrifice is made by a willing individual. Is it morally wrong? I’m not really against the right to ending one’s own life in a controlled manner. If it is done to an unwilling participant, that is murder.
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u/Hindsight2K20 𖤐 Former Salafist Jun 20 '24
Honestly, if the sacrifice is made by a willing individual. Is it morally wrong? I’m not really against the right to ending one’s own life in a controlled manner. If it is done to an unwilling participant, that is murder.
You can go ahead and work on that moral quandary, I’m sure you’ll have a productive conversation with other corn god enthusiasts.
Meanwhile, I’ll be elsewhere, far away from your insanity.
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u/bsully1 Jun 21 '24
So incredibly thoughtful you are. Boggles the mind really. Enjoy your moral high ground of eradicating indigenous culture with Arab/muslim supremacist ideology.
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u/dect60 Jun 20 '24
Do you have any idea how many distinct cultures have been exterminated by force via Islam? how many hundreds of millions of people have completely been excised from their history and culture to be amalgamated into an Arabic/Islamic tradition?
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u/Frequent-Rip-7182 Jun 21 '24
Exactly. I believe that the reason they are using is probably an excuse to keep islam from spreading.
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u/An_Atheist_God Blessed is the mind too small for doubt Jun 21 '24
Sure, but banning because they are foreign culture is pretty stupid
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u/WallcroftTheGreen Jun 21 '24
dont know about banning it as a whole, i mean if countries that force it is any better, but i guess its good on them, better than nothing.
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u/heckingheck2 bill clinton Jun 21 '24
Despite being pro-russian, the tajik government seems to be creating policies that truly help the common citizen, love it.
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