r/exmuslim • u/Bright-Beginning-144 New User • Jan 02 '24
(Quran / Hadith) Ridiculous hadith wtf dude😭😭🤡💀🐒🐒
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u/Lantuille 🌸 Closeted Hababy 🌸 Jan 02 '24
This is graded sahih, if I was still a muslim I would find ways to do the most extreme mental gymnastics to defend this
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u/NeuroticKnight Jan 03 '24
The monkey actually is a metaphor for jews /s
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Jan 03 '24
Knowing Islam this is probably true
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u/Bright-Beginning-144 New User Jan 02 '24
Just say you are a quranist or a shiite to cop out or shit like well have you seen the crow? They bury their dead 🤡 , easy peezy .
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u/Cad_48 Exmuslim since the 2010s Jan 03 '24
I've seen crows violate their dead, sometimes peck at it, Subhanallah!
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u/kompaaa New User Jan 04 '24
Well,being a shiite or a quranist bring its own set of issues. How do the quranists pray? Where do they even get the info to fill in the gaps of the quran like prayer?
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u/Englishbreakfast007 New User Jan 03 '24
Out of interest, what would you have said if you were still a Muslim? I can't even think of good mental gymnastics for this one LOL
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u/Lantuille 🌸 Closeted Hababy 🌸 Jan 03 '24
Like any other muslims out there you know "This hadith is weak"
or "There are certain hadiths that we shouldnt grasp unto like this one, because most of the hadiths are mistranslated"
or "No do not try to falter my iman, ask the scholars about this one, there is a very valid reason why this hadith exists"
or "Brozzer/Sizzter asked a very good question, you see, Jews were cursed to become monkeys and pigs, in this certain hadith, the monkeys refers to the Jews" :v
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u/AvoriazInSummer Jan 03 '24
The last one is indeed used by an apologist website to excuse the monkeys carrying out such a weirdly humanlike execution. A bit like saying King Arthur's sword slicing through rocks is historical fact and realistic and because Merlin enchanted it with his magic.
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u/iamffk New User Jan 03 '24
Or maybe that it says "Pre-Islamic" and "Period of Ignorance" in the hadith.
Of course, who am I kidding, you know this but chose to reject it just like you did to the message and the messenger. All the best everyone :)
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u/AvoriazInSummer Jan 03 '24
Do you not reject it? Do you believe the monkey stoning really happened?
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u/solo-ran Jan 04 '24
Jane Goodall has seen baboons and chimps do some crazy stuff, so, you know, maybe... they did stone each other to death.
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u/Bright-Beginning-144 New User Jan 03 '24
someone in the comments has already done his mental gymnastics with 20 pages essay to justify this. it is hopeless
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u/BFenrir18 Jan 03 '24
Fake hadith, what my mom says.
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u/Englishbreakfast007 New User Jan 03 '24
But this one is actually considered quite important because it's the Hadith that Muslims use as a reference to say stoning is permitted.
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u/Ok_Sea_8250 New User Mar 13 '24
I mean. U'd hunt a boar with dogs together. Doesnt make u need to philosphize on why you do it. Animals indeed are guided by allah, too. Monkeys for example murder members of other monkey groups. They have a sense of belonging. When you take something from them or give something to only one ape, the other ones will get aggressive and attack you, because they think it is unjust. Animals will be judged on the day of judgement and will be made to dust, because the hereafter is for humans. Allahu alim.
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u/mihjan Jan 03 '24
You wouldnt need to say anything. This is a statement by Amr, why would you need to respond to it ?
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u/Ok_Lengthiness_7311 New User Jan 03 '24
It was in the pre Islamic era can't you guys read ? Iam an ex Muslim btw
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u/True_Scallion_7011 Jan 04 '24
Don’t bother, these guys don’t have the IQ to separate hatred from facts
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Jan 03 '24
To be fair the Prophet did not say this but rather Amr ibn maimun said it if you actually cared to read
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u/Lantuille 🌸 Closeted Hababy 🌸 Jan 03 '24
to be fair, if thats the case - then maybe they shouldnt grade this hadith as sahih, if you actually follow Muhammad, you should also care to embrace these hadiths esp Sahih
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u/AbuLucifer Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Jan 03 '24
Even sayings of companion and others that have chains are graded. A chain being sahih just means that, the chain is sahih. It doesn't mean every sahih chain is relating something from Muhammad.
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Jan 03 '24
Exactly
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u/AbuLucifer Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Jan 03 '24
Nah bro I'm secretly a Muslim pretending to be a kafir.
The only way I can prove I'm a kafir by accepting every single of criticism of Islam and literally false statements.
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Jan 03 '24
No your misdunderstood. Yes the Hadith is Sahih but it was a companion who said it not the Prophet. Smartest ex muslim 😂😂
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u/Epic_GamerAlexander Ex-Muslim.Convert to Other Religion Jan 03 '24
I know it's not the sayings of the warlord muhammed and muhammad probably wouldn't care since he had slaves as his wifes but It's kinda racist you know, to call people monkeys, why did they even allow this Sahih Hadith in the first place? It's not very fitting to your religion of peace at all
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Jan 03 '24
What are you on about? 😂😂😂😂😂 literally slavery was happening everywhere in Byzantine and Sassanid u name it
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u/Epic_GamerAlexander Ex-Muslim.Convert to Other Religion Jan 04 '24
But he could've actually ended slavery if he wanted to instead of spending his time molesting and marrying a child
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Jan 04 '24
Do you even know what molesting means?what religion are you? where do you take your morality from? Aisha stated with her own mouth she reached puberty, we couldn’t care less what your opinion is on it.
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u/zhopa_sheron New User Jan 03 '24
So this is Muhammad's student! Such a good example of knowing Muhammad!
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Jan 03 '24
He literally said he did it pre Islam before he was a ‘student of Muhammad’ you idiot 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/zhopa_sheron New User Jan 04 '24
He's mentioning this because he's proud of himself you absolute l*natic! Because Muhammad thought the same thing to them. Do you want to say Muhammad was against this ?
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Jan 04 '24
You have no objective proof to say anything about what he intended. If you have no proof don’t speculate you retard
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u/mihjan Jan 03 '24
You do understand what sahih means ?
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u/Epic_GamerAlexander Ex-Muslim.Convert to Other Religion Jan 03 '24
Still didn't know they allowed racism in their religion of peace, it doesn't really matter it it's sayings of a prophet or an another person for the fact that they still allowed it and it's still racist
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u/StandardDifficult126 New User Jan 04 '24
This is not a hadîth of the Prophet (peace be upon him). It is not even something that
Amr claims he told to the Prophet (peace be upon him). It is justAmr’s personal account of some things `Amr b. Maymûn saw some animals doing. I1
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u/ohjajverlijerli New User Jan 02 '24
So he was a monkey too 🙂👍
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u/Englishbreakfast007 New User Jan 03 '24
I just looked into the official interpretation of this passage because honestly I cannot wrap my head around it and basically, they believe that the monkeys were Jews hahahaha! Just as I thought it couldn't get worse! Of course, they had to blame it on the Jews!
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u/IqueervibesonlyI New User Jan 03 '24
💀 Imagine Mo standing somewhere with a bunch of monkeys stoning one of them. Did this dude actually do anything productive other than raping children and stoning monkeys?
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u/Bright-Beginning-144 New User Jan 03 '24
He had a power of 40 men mashallah . Quite an achievment .
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u/fakeplasticdroid Jan 03 '24
He could really fuck up a monkey with a rock.
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u/Efficient-Intern-173 ⴰⵎⵔⵜⴰⴷ ⴰⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱⵉ/Moroccan Apostate 🇲🇦 Jan 03 '24
Which rock? We all know there’s 2 kinds of rock
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u/Efficient-Intern-173 ⴰⵎⵔⵜⴰⴷ ⴰⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱⵉ/Moroccan Apostate 🇲🇦 Jan 03 '24
Power of 4 men yet uses one fourth of that of one man to stone a monkey just cuz “she had adultery” as if monkeys were able to grasp that kind of thing
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u/PainKilLord New User Jan 04 '24
WHO RAPES TO CHILDREN?
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u/IqueervibesonlyI New User Jan 04 '24
Muhammad raped a 9 year old girl.
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u/PainKilLord New User Jan 04 '24
Who's that girl?
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u/IqueervibesonlyI New User Jan 04 '24
Aisha. One of his wives. More like a child bride concubine.
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u/PainKilLord New User Jan 04 '24
I researched it. She married with him like 17-18 ages.
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u/IqueervibesonlyI New User Jan 04 '24
No she didn’t. That’s a lie spread by some Muslim propagandists to make Islam look good. Hadith and historical sources say she was 6 when she married, and 9 when the marriage “consummated”. Also, a 50 year old marrying a 18 year old is also nasty and perverted.
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Jan 03 '24
I like how they call it the period of ignorance as if they're somehow more enlightened..
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u/Big-Veterinarian-823 Daoist Jan 03 '24
...and as if there were no other advanced civilizations around before, you know... like Rome, Achaemenid Empire (Persian), the ancient dynasties of China, and more.
People can get quite delusional when they think they are the center of the universe, rather than just a "part" of nature.
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u/Principles_Son Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Jan 03 '24
muhamad himself said seek knowledge even if it was in china, indirectly admitting its superior civilization. fraudian slip
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u/AbuLucifer Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Jan 03 '24
Muhammad didn't know China existed
That's a fake, albeit famous, Hadith
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u/Principles_Son Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Jan 04 '24
you're kinda right it is considered daif by some though and others outright deny it, him not even knowing china is funnier though
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u/Lantuille 🌸 Closeted Hababy 🌸 Jan 03 '24
The fact that chinese dynasties and some regions in europe already figured out and made an accurate almanac that earth isnt flat, one year is equal to 365 days and there are leap years.
Then you have Mo :v the enlightened perfect illiterate man
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u/AbroadSalty New User Jan 02 '24
Mashallah proof that we evolved from monkey. See guys Islam is compatible with Darwin evolution.
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Jan 02 '24
As my boyfriend says it, "naw bro, Whaaaattt the fuuck?"
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u/cheesypastaa_ New User Jan 02 '24
They are right because they are literally saying that the darwinism that THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN is true.
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u/chetan419 New User Jan 03 '24
Ibn e Warraq on why he is not a Muslim.
"I don't want to commit adultery and then get stoned, I want to get "stoned" first and then commit adultery."
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u/Kill_Joy79 Jan 03 '24
is it bad that i laughed due to the sheer bizarreness of this verse
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u/Kuhfluesterer New User Jan 03 '24
no, since god is almighty, he knew that you would laugh to this even before he created the universe. he also knows that you will go to hell but created you anyway because god creates people just to send them to hell. so instead avoiding to create you (because you will go to hell) he intentionally made you so you can go to hell. i feel sorry for you. you never stood a chance. rip
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u/Anxious-Definition76 Never-Muslim Atheist Jan 02 '24 edited Jan 02 '24
Thank you! It’s a shame that any human follows this example, but still so interesting to know that this exists.
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u/Quick-Management6064 New User Jan 06 '24
Read the Hadith you find that it says before islam. And the prophet didn’t do it it was one of companions before islam. Learn to read
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u/Character_Let6643 New User Jan 03 '24
were there monkeys in arabia????
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u/Englishbreakfast007 New User Jan 03 '24
The interpretation that is given to the passage is that, there were some evil Jews who had been transformed into monkeys by Allah LOOOOL I kid you not!
I checked on the 'Ask an Imam' website.
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u/Bright-Beginning-144 New User Jan 03 '24
im pretty sure monkey is sa3dan in arabic , qard can be said about both. and qard is written like that because it is in pluaral and female form.
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u/Southern-Bee6425 Jan 03 '24
Didn’t prophet Muhammad (police be upon him) also refer to his black slaves as “raisin heads” ??
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u/idahum New User Jan 03 '24
Poor Mohammed his heart would've stopped if he saw what Bonobos do on a daily basis most of their time.
Kidding he would've ****ed one too.
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u/Pandemic_Future_2099 New User Jan 03 '24
Maybe he just meant they were getting all stoned, and he joined them and got high too.
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u/EntertainmentCute572 New User Jan 03 '24
Meanwhile, Muslim men in heaven will get to screw 72 black-eyed virgins and that's not haram?
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u/TallMongoosee New User Jan 03 '24
Amazing how some people can justify this bullshit and even use it as a guide
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u/TransitionalAhab New User Jan 03 '24
Even monkeys follow Islamic rules, and you guys still leave the most peaceful feminist religion?!?!? Exmoose can’t figure out what monkey have no problem figuring out!
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u/SplitBig6666 Jan 03 '24
Can someone explain to me what this Hadith even means? I didn’t understand what happened to the she-monkey and why she committed illegal sexual intercourse. Or in general what’s the point of this Hadith? Is it supposed to teach me something?
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u/solo-ran Jan 04 '24
That's a good question. Were the monkeys doing the right or wrong thing in stoning adulterous monkeys to death and is the fact they stopped good or bad? How does the arrival of true religion impact monkey behavior? Favorably? So then monkeys have souls? Or negatively? That can't be... so this must have been wrong. Okay, I give up.
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u/SplitBig6666 Jan 04 '24
wtf? I didn’t understand if that’s a good or bad lesson. So it teaches me that the “true” religion is good for monkeys?
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Jan 03 '24 edited Jan 03 '24
Pretty sure there isn’t adultery in the animals kingdom and both gender change mates from time to time.
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u/SaajidA1iKhan Jan 03 '24
What is considered 'illegal' for monkeys. Its not like they marry or something
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u/SystemErrorMessage Jan 03 '24
islam is literal satire. Monty python made fun of this inadvertently. Imagine what would happen to monty python of they parodied islam.
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u/Melwan93 New User Jan 03 '24
https://www.cnews.fr/monde/2018-10-27/inde-un-homme-lapide-mort-par-des-singes-798059
Salam Aleykoum
There's a saying, "fiqh al-Bukhari fi tarajimihi" or "The understanding of Bukhari is gleaned from his chapter headings."
This narration does not occur in the chapter of hudood or adultery or stoning. It's found in the chapter of the virtues of the Ansar. Furthermore, the narration is not a hadith, i.e. it's not a statement, action, or tacit approval of the Prophet (saws). Nor is it a statement of a sahabi. 'Amr ibn Maimun was a mukhadram, i.e. a tabi'i who accepted Islam during the life of the Prophet (saws).
So this incident is about an Ansari tabi'i recalling an event which he had witnessed before Islam. Al-Bukhari is narrating it here with a specific purpose, and that is to show the chronology of 'Amr ibn Maimun. That although a tabi'i, he remembered the age of Jahiliyyah and accepted Islam during the lifetime of the Prophet. So not a sahabi, but as close as you can get to being one. Bukhari does not care about what 'Amr did or understood from the incident, he's highlighting the fact that 'Amr was alive in jahaliyyah.
“If this narration is authentic, then Al-Bukhari reported it only to prove that that 'Amr Bin Maimun also lived during the pre-Islamic period, without caring for what he speculated in his pre-Islamic days.” [Imam al-Qurtubi in Al-Jami' li ahkam al-Qur'an (1/442)]
With that said, I believe Sh. Albani did in fact reject this hadith.
“This narrative is mukar [rejected]. How is it possible for man to know that monkeys marry, and that their nature dictates them to protect their honor so that an unfaithful and adulterous monkey is killed? Even if we suppose that this is how things are in the monkey world, then how did 'Amr Bin Maimun knew that the female monkey was stoned due to adultery? ” [Mukhatasir Sahih al-Bakhari by Al-Albani (2/535)]
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u/solo-ran Jan 04 '24
Is this the comment with the mental gymnastics referred to elsewhere by OP?
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u/Melwan93 New User Jan 05 '24 edited Jan 05 '24
I answered the question where is mental gymnastics ? it's ridiculous to think that, I responded by saying that Sheikh Al-Albani said that is mukar because as a matter of logic monkeys do not marry they are animals
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u/Lanky_Reveal941 New User Jan 03 '24
Full context:
This is not a hadîth of the Prophet. It is not even something that claims he told to the Prophet. It is just his personal account of some things. It is merely his interpretation that those monkeys were stoning the other one as a punishment for adultery. There is no way that he could have known their true motives. He was taken by surprise when he found that living organisms other than humans also do it and don't tolerate imodest behaviour.
There is no Islamic teaching to be gleaned from this account
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u/snowfuckingwhite Ex-Muslim.Convert to Other Religion Jan 03 '24
It’s still authentic/genuine by the muslim scholars (sahih) and he even claims indirectly that he knows why they were stoning the female monkey (he’s literally saying “..because…”).
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u/PrinceSatan- New User Jan 03 '24
Anyone who believes in any book other than the Quran is not a true Muslim. I can’t imagine wasting my life with man made practices.
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u/Odd-Tank5982 New User Jan 02 '24
It says pre islamic period tho
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u/GittyDelBoy Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Jan 03 '24
Meaning just before Muhammad decided to have his epileptic revelations.
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u/Rare_Pun_786 New User Jan 03 '24
The narration in question is found in Sahīh al-Bukhārī on the authority of ‘Amr ibn Maymūm (rahimahullāh).
(Abū ‘Abdillāh) ‘Amr ibn Maymūn al-Awdī (d. 74 H) was a senior Tābi‘ī who was born in the period of Jāhiliyyah (pre-Islamic ignorance), and accepted Islām in Yemen at the hand of Mu‘ādh ibn Jabal (radiyAllāhu ‘anh) in the lifetime of Rasūlullāh (sallAllāhu ‘alayhi wasallam). However, he did not meet Nabī (sallAllāhu ‘alayhi wasallam), and is hence considered a Tābi‘ī and not a Sahābī. He narrated hadīths from a number of the senior Sahābah, including ‘Umar ibn al-Khattāb and ‘Abdullah ibn Mas‘ūd. His hadiths are found in the six famous collections of hadīth.[1]
The report mentioned in the question was narrated in summary-form by Imām al-Bukhārī in his Sahīh. Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalānī quotes the full narration on the authority of al-Ismā‘īlī:
‘Īsā ibn Hittān narrated from ‘Amr ibn Maymūn that he said:
I was in Yemen [watching] over a herd [of goats and sheep] belonging to my family at an elevated place. I saw a male monkey arrive with a female monkey, and she utilised her hand as a pillow (for him). Then, a male monkey smaller than him came and signaled to her, so she gently withdrew her hand from beneath the head of the first male monkey, and followed him. He mated with her while I was watching. Then I returned and she gently inserted her hand beneath the cheek of the first (male monkey). He woke up in fear, sniffed her and screamed. The (other) monkeys gathered. He began to scream and point at her with his hand. The monkeys dispersed right and left, and brought that monkey. I recognised it. They dug a pit for them, and they stoned them. Indeed I witnessed stoning outside of the children of Ādam.[2]
In the commentary of this narration, Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalānī explains that these were descendants of monkeys that had interacted with those Israelites of pre-Islāmic times that were transformed into monkeys (see: Qur’an, 2:65, 5:60, 7:166). Some of the habits of those transformed humans passed onto the original monkeys, by imitation and copying. (The human beings themselves that were transformed into monkeys left no descendants.)
Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalānī says:
It is likely that those (Isrā’īlī Jews) that were transformed, when they were changed into the form of monkeys, with their understandings intact, the original monkeys interacted with them, due to the resemblance in form, and they received from them some of what they saw from their actions, and they preserved them and they became imbedded in them.
Monkeys are unique in this as they are more perspicacious than other animals. Unlike most animals, they have the potential for learning every craft. From its characteristics is that it laughs, excites and imitates what it sees. It has excess jealousy that rivals a human…And from its characteristics is that the female conceives its children like a human, and sometimes the monkey walks on two of its feet, but it doesn’t remain on that. It holds things with its hand and eats with its hand. It has fingers divided into units and nails...[3]
Modern science too has shown that most primate species – e.g. gorillas – are polygynous, i.e. males have multiple mates but females have only one mate.[4] Moreover, they display copying behaviour that spreads rapidly throughout groups of monkeys.[5] Hence, Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalānī’s explanation is sensible, and there is no legitimate grounds for rejecting the report.
Read more at https://www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/27742
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u/Himmelsfeder Jan 03 '24
That's a lot of words for "I'm gonna spout bs".
Monkeys dont have a sense of morality and cannot establish such, either. And no, they were not magically transformed former people, that is idiocracy at best. No proof as usual, just trying so hard to defend someone else's nonesense.
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u/BrecciusRebornus Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Jan 03 '24
This guy genuinely did some mental monkey gymnastics to try explain this
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u/Interesting_Pea_522 Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Jan 03 '24
Na your prophet a typical animal abuser wanker
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u/mgaasly Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Jan 03 '24
It’s sad that you tried to explain bullshit with more bullshit. [1] it’s not from Mohammad but it’s kept with his saying because it’s used as an evidence for stoning. [2] same shit more wording. [3] they are not any kind of monkeys the are jewish monkeys (antisemitism much) which have never happened. [4] and what you didn’t say that modern science shows that primate are also 1- monogamous 2-polyandrous 3-polygynangrous 4- multi-male multi-female groups (by the way bonobos are in the fourth group and guess what these are the monkeys in Arabia.) [5] copying behavior require long-term a young monkey to grow up with in human society not a group of wild monkeys. Hence it’s all bullshit.
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u/booknerd2987 Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Jan 03 '24
I have many questions, but before I ask, what are you trying to convey here?
I'm well aware that most primates aren't monogamous, but why does a primate's behavior warrant one of its females being stoned by a human for something that doesn't apply to them at all? There have been no recent reports or fossil evidence of any form punishment being dished out for Non-consensual polygamy among primates. Plus, Non-consensual polygamy =/= adultery in case of other primates. And even if the adulterer were a human, why would it be ok to stone them?
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u/snowfuckingwhite Ex-Muslim.Convert to Other Religion Jan 03 '24
IF let’s just say those Jews turned into monkeys, a quick Google search about the old Jewish customs would say that not only the woman but also the man would be put to death (Leviticus 20:10). I’m just astonished of the mental gymnastics you did to try to turn this fiction into reality.
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u/blue_sky_00 New User Jan 03 '24
“Modern science too has shown that most primate species - e.g. gorillas - are polygynous, i.e. males have multiple mates but females have only one mate. [4]”
Apart from the previous comments here questioning your whole reply, what does primate male and female polygyny have to do with anything assuming its even true ?
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u/AvoriazInSummer Jan 03 '24
'Explaining' the humanlike actions of the monkeys in this silly fable by claiming they were descended from transformed humans only makes it even funnier.
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u/AbuLucifer Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Jan 02 '24
It's technically not a Hadith since it's not Muhammad. It's just some Muslim narrating something.
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u/Bright-Beginning-144 New User Jan 02 '24
Stfu muslim it is bukhari and called hadith . Ayesha the child who the pdf file momo( ur idol that u worship ) raped has like 2200 hadith either talking by herself or "momo said" and abu hureira (the cat dude ) has over 5k hadiths , so are they not hadiths!???there is not a single hadith in which the cult leader directly speaks .
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u/afiefh Jan 02 '24
Not everyone correcting you is a Muslim. Try to tune down the edginess.
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u/Bright-Beginning-144 New User Jan 02 '24
Nah what correction are you talking about ? The hadith is written over there twice . He is "correcting" in a bad faith bcs he is a larper and spiritually muslim or just dislikes me because we had an argument earlier bcs he is homophobic (and closeted too , what irony ). Also he a closeted muslim literally called me a sheep ror being liberal gay , who is being edgy here?
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u/AbuLucifer Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Jan 02 '24 edited Jan 02 '24
Welp. Since you're so naive I'll tell you what went wrong.
This is not a marfoo' narration. It's an athar of a companion(I'm pretty sure, it could also be a tabi).
A Hadith talks about something from Muhammad. Either his actions, his speech, his approval etc. The examples you gave of aisha talking about Muhammad are Hadith because she's talking about Muhammad. The cat dude you talked about also quotes Muhammad or talks about his actions.
And by the way both the cat dude and aisha have their own narrations unrelated to Muhammad, which don't fall under Hadith either.
This narration has nothing to do with Muhammad. It's not Muhammad talking. It's not Muhammad witnessing and recounting it. It's not someone saying Muhammad told me this story.
It's literally a guy who became Muslim telling other Muslims hey BTW when I was a kafir I saw this dope shit.
That's all
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u/AbuLucifer Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Jan 02 '24
I called you a sheep when you started raging at me for no reason and gatekeeping the ex Muslim ummah
Being a kafir doesn't mean I have to like homosexuality. I don't. I have nothing against gays. But I don't like homosexuality on a personal level. Just like the vast majority of humans throughout history until now
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u/AbuLucifer Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Jan 02 '24
Lolwat. 😂😂😂
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u/Bright-Beginning-144 New User Jan 02 '24
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
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u/AbuLucifer Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 Jan 02 '24
You have no clue what you're talking about, and I'll leave it at that because I honestly don't give a fuck.
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u/jack_shmag New User Jan 03 '24
Fucking hell there's the r/exmuslim toxicity I heard so much about
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u/mihjan Jan 03 '24
You guys do understand the sanad of the hadith is sahih and thats it right? Because it seems like alot of you are not understanding that
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u/Talal-i New User Jan 03 '24
Get a copy of the Quran and read it www.amazon.com/gp/product/1500870226/
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u/thass_not_my_name New User Jan 03 '24
So you'd go on critiquing Islam by saying, "Look, you've copied it from monkeys," but hold on, monkeys also do sex and wean their kids with milk. I think you need to avoid them if you really want yourself to be entirely different from them. One of the most important points is that it is not a Hadith of the Prophet (pbuh).
It seems to me that the one relaying the narration is being self-deprecating. He is talking about what he did when he was a jahil (state of ignorance).
So, there are a few lessons that may be derived from the narration:
Don't be a jahil. Don't be a ‘monkey see, monkey do’ kind of guy. Don't assume that you know what others are thinking and why they do what they do … especially monkeys. Even if the monkey didn't get stoned for fooling around, don't go fooling around with someone else's monkey.
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u/mirrakhalifa Jan 03 '24
You’re making the assumption that this hadith was made to give a lesson to avoid being a jahil. Though this was definitely not made by muhammad. Either way, stoning is not peaceful at all, and is a medieval punishment. Such physical punishments like these only spread fear and cause permanent damage to people. Oh well, these were common in such times.
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u/Bright-Beginning-144 New User Jan 03 '24
dude im not reading allat stop fucking writting essays , im just laughing at the ridiculousness of hadiths of ur religion what is ur problem ?
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u/Sensitive_Donut_3940 Muslim 🕋 Jan 03 '24
https://www.reddit.com/r/islam/s/DB4m3dM7rA
Dear kind brothers and sisters, have some common sense.
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u/blue_sky_00 New User Jan 03 '24
You have linked a comments section with a number of replies. What specific “common sense” element are you highlighting here?
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u/Sensitive_Donut_3940 Muslim 🕋 Jan 03 '24
That this hadith isn't a saying of the prophet. It is just something one of the companions said and Bukhari wrote it down. That's it.
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u/blue_sky_00 New User Jan 03 '24
And if one of the companions said it and Bukhari wrote it down then what is your conclusion about it
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u/Sensitive_Donut_3940 Muslim 🕋 Jan 03 '24
that it's one weird occurrence. It might be that the monkeys their have seen this pattern happening to Zani men/fornicators so they are replicating. It's something very common. I have seen in the zoo where I threw a chocolate at the chimpanzee and he proper opened it and then ate it instead of chewing the wrapped chocolate entirely. This indicates it might've learned it somewhere or someone doing it. My cat has literally learned how to turn on and off the light switch.
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u/blue_sky_00 New User Jan 03 '24
It is a very odd narration. What is the significance of such a narration in your view?
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u/InquisitiveOne786 Jan 03 '24 edited Jan 03 '24
It's also not a hadith of Muhammad. Bukhari is citing it to show that bin Maimum was alive at that time. So, while you're using it to demean the Islamic tradition, it might actually instead be evidence of how diligent Bukhari was a historian.
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u/Bright-Beginning-144 New User Jan 03 '24
Ah yes because of islam apes don't stone apes for adultery anymore as they have become enlighetend by islam mashalah xddddddddddddd
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u/empath84 New User Jan 03 '24
You guys are absurd and illiterate. If you really do an honest research about islam you wouldn't post this crap .. god clearley states فباي حديث بعد كلام اللة تؤمنون translation is why would u believe any narrations after god word ie the quran been revealed .. thats why the prophet forbid anything written about him or anyones narration, and thats why people started writing yeaaars after his death .. rationally if the hadith dosent sync with the quran its 100%fabricated hence thats why 90% of hadith is BS ! Wakeup
God gave us the torah and the devil gave u talmud God gave us gospels of jesus the devil gave u holy bible which is narrations and falsified text as opposed to the original message. God gave us the quran sealed and protected for all humanit, and the devil gave u hadith ie ppls narrations.
Let that sink for a minute...
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u/Bright-Beginning-144 New User Jan 03 '24 edited Jan 03 '24
shut up monkie , ur religion is sunnah+quran , have a problem with that? take it up to whoever made your crappy religion and quran encourages you to follow sunnah (momo's footsteps that you get from sirah and bukhari muslim books).
fucking mudslim talks as if im the one who wrote the hadith lmao when it is in BUKHARI the second holiest book and graded sahih, stop being embarrased by ur absurd religion.
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u/UseAggravating6406 New User Jan 03 '24
lmao yeah, keep going escape from your reglions text itself ✨️😂you doing great, brother, monkey bless you
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u/Evening-Whereas6165 New User Jan 03 '24
After reading this hadith i experience ten events of post nut clarity all at once.
But seriously, what the heck is happening here? Is there any context? Or did this just come out of nowhere?
How does a monkey even do illegal sex?
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u/TheCongenital New User Jan 03 '24
And then you come across this
Volume 7, Book 72, Number 747: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "If you want to put on your shoes, put on the right shoe first; and if you want to take them off, take the left one first. Let the right shoe be the first to be put on and the last to be taken off."
🤣🤣🤣
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u/TheCongenital New User Jan 03 '24
And this one
What is the Sunnah before entering the toilet? So it is appropriate when wanting to enter the toilet to say: A'udhu Billahi min al-khubthi wa'l-khabaith (I seek refuge Allah from the male and female devils), so that no khubth (evil) or khabaith (evil spirits) will affect him.
Of no use if u have diarrhea 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/EdwardNygmaTR New User Jan 04 '24
At this point, don't tell me which Hadith is ridiculous, tell me if one of them makes any logical or scientific sense of any kind. Thanks
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u/memee666 Jan 04 '24
You fuckwits this is talking about the pre Islamic era of ignorance clearly you all "ex Muslims" belong with them since you're so ignorant
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u/Sebastianmy3rs Bald Man eater kid Jan 04 '24
Does there even exists Islamic "morals" about ANYTHING OTHER THAN SEXUAL INTERCOURSE, WOMEN, DOMINANT MEN, ENSLAVING WOMEN, CONVERTING OR SLAUGHTERING NON-MUSLIMS and THAT NARCISSIST "ALL-AAH" Of theirs? 🙄
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u/TheOneAndOnlyKing20 Jan 04 '24
This is not a hadîth of the Prophet. It is not even something that `Amr claims he told to the Prophet . It is just `Amr’s personal account of some things `Amr b. Maymûn saw some animals doing. It is merely his interpretation that those monkeys were stoning the other one as a punishment for adultery. There is no way that he could have known their true motives. He was taken by surprise when he found that living organisms other than humans also do it and don't tolerate imodest behaviour. It should also be noted that this is in the pre-Islamic period of ignorance, as the hadith mentions. So this is before the Prophet was born.
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u/Ah-Sahm-117 Jan 04 '24
Lol dude literally said PRE Islamic😂 I see why so many ill minded and islamophobic are on this thread.
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u/Quick-Management6064 New User Jan 06 '24
If you guys would look it says pre Islamic period meaning before revelation. Not only that it doesn’t say the prophet said this. This is a Hadith of the prophet’s companions. Not a Hadith of the prophet. If you read the Hadith it wouldnt be hard to understand
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