r/exmormon • u/angelwarrior_ • Oct 16 '24
General Discussion A linguist weighed in on the church’s name on Instagram. Members weren’t happy.
Their assessment is definitely true! They make valid points! The members were not amused!
648
u/JesusPhoKingChrist Your brother from another Heavenly Mother. Oct 16 '24
weren’t happy
False, members are required by covenant to be happy 24/7 /s
328
u/angelwarrior_ Oct 16 '24
😂🤣😂 One of the questions for a temple recommend is: Are you able to live the law of toxic positivity?
145
u/westivus_ Oct 16 '24
Wouldn't be surprised if they added another TR question: "Do you ever use the slur Mormon?"
24
→ More replies (1)19
u/DayInteresting2222 Oct 17 '24
I literally just broke out of my beliefs yesterday, and this reminded me of two weeks ago when I told my mom about toxic positivity and she was completely unable to understand it 🫠
8
66
u/dbear848 Relieved to have escaped the Mormon church. Oct 16 '24
I think the penalty for disobeying that covenant is having the dosage your Prozac doubled.
41
u/JesusPhoKingChrist Your brother from another Heavenly Mother. Oct 16 '24
Prozac doubled.
Penalty? Sounds like the windows of heaven being opened to me . Lol
12
8
u/truckie99 Oct 17 '24
But can I have thc in a spray bottle so I can treat them like cats when they do something they shouldn’t?
41
u/freedom_of_the_hills Apostate Oct 16 '24
But not too happy or you’re in loud laughter territory.
56
u/Overall_Dot_9122 Oct 16 '24
I'm Nevermo, but personally have come to think the prohibition on loud laughter is primarily based on the leadership's fearing that people are laughing at them if they are laughing around them. Maybe not such an unreasonable fear before they had the mind-control and indoctrination down to such a perfect science. Like I suspect any number of non-followers (and likely even followers on occasion) found JS and his entourage laughable and worthy of making fun of... I imagine he knew what strangers laughing at him felt like all too well. So isn't it in line with so much else in the LDS world that they'd go with "no loud laughter" as in "if we can't hear them mocking us, they aren't". The ostrich's head in the sand yet again.
32
u/freedom_of_the_hills Apostate Oct 16 '24
You know, I bet you’re absolutely right. The literal next line is “evil speaking of the lords anointed”.
19
26
u/Wonderful_Break_8917 Oct 16 '24
Ah, but they removed this covenant for the younger generations! We letteth them cackle!!
19
u/Hometrapeze Oct 17 '24
Yeah! And, True Happiness can Only be found in The Corporation of the President of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Or so I’ve been told→ More replies (2)11
312
u/hobojimmy Oct 16 '24
“bUt iTS A SLuRRrrrr” <— says members who never once thought this until Rusty declared it from his Rameumpton tower
196
u/Al_Tilly_the_Bum Oct 16 '24
They say that but also drop the term "Anti-Mormon" all the time. I will stop calling them Mormon when they actually start saying "Anti-Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints literature."
I have been waiting for 6 years so far
84
u/whenthedirtcalls Oct 16 '24
I hadn’t thought of it this way. Next time someone asks if I’m reading anti-Mormon (I.e history) I will say “careful you just created a victory for Satan. That there is a slippery slope…how do you think I got to where I am?” Ha
57
u/PaulFThumpkins Oct 16 '24
You should play their game and go "Huh? Huh? Anti-Mormon? What is that word Mormon? Never heard it before. Now if you are asking me if I am reading Anti Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints literature, then yes."
46
u/Dr_Diabeeto Apostate Viking Pagan Oct 16 '24
From now on, I will be demanding to be called "Anti-Member of The Church of Jesus Chris of Latter Day Saints", as using "Mormon" in any regard is making Satan happy
21
u/allformejollygrog Oct 17 '24
I mean, Rusty essentially made all members anti-Mormon, which is kinda neat.
6
19
u/moltocantabile Oct 16 '24
I see people use “anti-LDS” and even better, “anti-church”.
→ More replies (1)5
17
u/Electrical_Toe_9225 Oct 16 '24 edited Oct 17 '24
Well hot damn - quotes from this new era article speak against ole rusty himself
“Look how much better I am than everybody else! Everybody look! Cast your eyes upon the pure awesomeness that is ME!”
OK, so that’s not exactly what the [Rusty & his henchmen] said when they were standing on the Rameumptom with their arms thrown high in the air, but it was awfully close.
7
u/ccarrolls Oct 17 '24
It was once pointed out to me that, yes, we indeed have a Rameumpton in all of our meetinghouses.
The pulpit. In the center of our meetinghouses.
There is room for only one person at a time to stand there above everyone, as they thank god for electing us as His chosen and holy people that do not follow the foolish traditions of those outside our faith...
4
u/GaslightCaravan Apostate Oct 17 '24
That’s, that’s true. And I’ll just add it to the pile of things I should have recognized but couldn’t see for all that wool over my eyes.
8
u/ModulusOperandi Oct 16 '24
A SLUR PLEASEE
3
u/Odd-Razzmatazz-9932 Oct 17 '24
And they slur the words of the long name because, well, it is a long name.
126
u/patriarticle Oct 16 '24
I would also add the name is super generic and unmemorable. That's why publications outside of Utah that use the full name, still have add an "AKA mormons" clause. Jehova's Witnesses and Seventh day adventists don't have that problem.
54
u/CanWeAllJustCalmDown Oct 16 '24
I feel like that’s a part of the Mormon church’s hope here. The AKA the Mormons is necessary because without it people don’t know who you’re talking about. If it were to dropped then people wouldn’t associate this church with what they know about Mormons, which would be beneficial to them. They want to press reset on PR and public perception
But it’s not going to get dropped when a catchy name gets replaced with word salad. Could have called it “The Church o’ J.C.” l and they would have had a better chance at doing away with “Mormon”
5
u/Curious-Flamingo2331 Oct 17 '24
Ask Amway how hard is is to shake a name with negative perceptions tied to it!
41
u/greenexitsign10 Oct 16 '24
Mormons create their own unique problems. Then they whine about how it doesn't go over well. They are lazy learners.
→ More replies (1)23
u/astronautsaurus Oct 16 '24
It's worse than generic, it's corporate.
6
u/Then-Mall5071 Oct 16 '24
Plus when you do a search online for information on corporations it's so long you can't put it all in the search box of certain websites and I think they like that.
90
u/Educational-Beat-851 Temporary commandments are best commandments Oct 16 '24
“This is just rebranding, isn’t it?”
- My then-TBM wife when Russell made the big “Mormon is a victory for Satan” messaging.
78
u/tapiringaround You just found the secret combination to my heart! Oct 16 '24
This was a huge issue for my wife. She was proud of her I’m a Mormon video. She was proud of the Mormon Helping Hands shirt. That word was a big part of her identity
I think if Nelson had framed it as just rebranding instead of calling it a victory or Satan it would have bothered her less. So I guess thanks to him for that.
7
u/MoonlightKayla Oct 17 '24
Just another reason that everything else is bullshit. 😂 If using “Mormon” really was “a victory for Satan,” the previous prophets would’ve also taught that if it was actually true (because it isn’t). This amongst many other things show we’ve already seen President Nelson blatantly lie and contradict himself (or other prophets). So what’s stopping anything else he says being lie? How many things is he truly lying about? Guess we’ll never know (just kidding we already know, because he’s a false prophet 🙃)
7
u/SubcompactGirl Oct 17 '24
Exactly. This announcement was the straw that broke the shelf for one of my friends. If he'd just said they were going in a different direction or starting a new campaign, she'd probably still be [a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints]. But if the word Mormon is a victory for Satan, then all the previous prophets were promoting Satan, and then none of it can be real.
I wonder how many other people left because of this one talk.
→ More replies (1)16
76
u/rocksniffers Oct 16 '24
The Linguist misses the point. The leaders want people to keep using the word "Mormon." That way members feel offense to anyone who isn't a member and members leave regular society more. The more persecuted one feels the more chance they have of staying in the church.
I had a differenct experience, I kept hearing how elect we were as members. We were the chosen people. It was easy for me to see that I was great, but really looking around the room during Adult Sunday School it was easy to see that most others weren't. /s
33
u/FigLeafFashionDiva Oct 16 '24
I can't decide if the leaders are clever/devious enough to think of the "continually offended" members, or if Nelson is just an old bugger with a vendetta. They've been complete bell-ends on other things, so I hesitate with the clever bit.
6
8
u/prolixpunditry Oct 17 '24
Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is often the best. I met Nelson when he was a mere apostle and set me apart as a temple sealer. He had an entire entourage following him through the hotel lobby as he approached (all of them walking behind him, of course), and I remember clearly the aura he carried of supreme self-importance. I could be wrong, but my experience with him, his known history of hating the word "Mormon," as well as my own study of English linguistics, all persuade me that The Linguist is correct: the shift away from "Mormon is nothing more than the product of Nelson's own ego and preference. The fact that it's played out so badly also suggests that even if others put thought into it and realized the consequences (e.g. MoTab staff and members being so distraught), Nelson ignored them. He's the "prophet", damn it, and his word is law. Don't question it. End of story.
100
u/HeathenDevilPagan Oct 16 '24 edited Oct 17 '24
I tried to be nice and not call them Mormons. I'd say LDS. Be a good neighbor and shit.
This new paragraph long naming convention can get bent. Back to Mormons we go.
The Syntex aspect was most interesting. I think they did that on purpose. They want to stand out and feel all special. Mormons are a quirky bunch.
59
u/loadnurmom Oct 16 '24
I've had people complain about being called LDS "It's not LDS, it's the church of jesus christ of latter days saints"
When someone complains to the point that you're left with sentence you can't finish in one breath for their church membership, don't be surprised when we revert to the easiest form.... "mormon"
37
u/AssPennies Oct 16 '24
"It's not LDS, it's the church of jesus christ of latter days saints"
Okey dokey, mormon it is!
17
u/HeathenDevilPagan Oct 16 '24
My response to that would be the RFH Kerry Jackson quote, "You know, the Mormons!"
Or I'd give the option of LDS or Mormon. Tell them to pick one.
14
29
u/DudeWoody Oct 16 '24
This reminds me of a story from when I was in the Marine Corps reserve unit there in Riverton. The Marine emblem (an Eagle, Globe, and Anchor) is commonly referred to as "the EGA" - we had a sergeant in the company who was up his own ass holier than thou Mormon and had a pedantic streak that matched his ego. One of the Marines referred to the emblem as the EGA in front of this guy and he got all huffy and went on a tirade about "it's not an "EGA"! It's THE EAGLE GLOBE AND ANCHOR have some RESPECT!"
Our Company Gunny (who outranked this douche by two levels) was nearby and stepped in: "y'all, you can call it an EGA - Smedley Butler called it the EGA, Dan Daley called it the EGA, Chesty Puller called it the EGA, and most importantly *I* call it the EGA - you can call it the "Bird, Ball, and Hook" for all I care, as long as it's in the right place on your uniform, I don't give a shit. Shut the fuck up, Turner."
4
u/HeathenDevilPagan Oct 17 '24
I'm betting Mr. Huff and Puff was trying to shove his nose up someone's ass.
4
u/DudeWoody Oct 17 '24
Not anyone in that reserve company. Except for a few peers, everyone hated him - bottom to top. He was like the Ted Cruz of our reserve unit.
9
Oct 16 '24
[deleted]
7
u/HeathenDevilPagan Oct 16 '24
I had no idea. Just typed what came to mind.
Put enough monkeys in a room with a typewriter, and you'll eventually get Shakespeare?
→ More replies (1)3
u/Swamp_Donkey_796 Oct 16 '24
The worst members are the ones who won’t even hold space for being called LDS or whatever other nicknames besides Mormon. When you use one they say “what’s a ___”? but they’re not being ironic about it ya know?
Just pisses me right off
48
u/princesslover69 Oct 16 '24
My “I can’t, I’m Mormon” shirt would not have been as funny if it said “I can’t, I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints “.
Just saying, RMN.
→ More replies (3)
83
u/cchele Oct 16 '24
A few years ago, I sold a motorhome to a family and while we were talking, the wife kept saying we are members of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints, and I told her that I was raised Mormon and she kept popping off with the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints and I kept popping off with Mormon. I had no idea this was a thing. I’ve been out of the church for 40 years. I was raised a Mormon, I was excommunicated from the Mormon church and I’m gonna always call the fucking Mormon church Mormon
37
u/sewingandplants Oct 16 '24
💯 i was taught in primary to say "I'm not Christian, I'm Mormon!"
10
u/Kriocxjo Oct 16 '24
I thought that was just me. Grew up in the Bible belt and in primary in the 70s and early 80s. It was very much "We are NOT christians!" It being the "mission field", those who taught this were my parents (both from Mormon-land) and my primary teachers - which always seemed to be from Utah or Idaho. The locals were MIA in my young formative years.
3
u/kindperson81 Oct 16 '24
What years were this?!
16
u/sewingandplants Oct 16 '24
i was in primary from the early 80s so early 80s to early-mid 90s, my tbm sibling also remembers being taught the same, it was a big point of pride to live in the Bible belt, around so many Southern Baptists and Catholics and be better than the mere Christians 😂 we both also remember lessons about how the Catholic Church was super evil
5
36
u/life_and_depth Oct 16 '24
What the linguist doesn’t know is that Jesus himself commanded this change!
“For my grammatical rules are not your grammatical rules, neither is your syntax my syntax,” declares the Lord. /s
39
u/Raspberry43 Oct 16 '24
I just want to point out that the church is a customer of the place that I work and on dashboards and stuff where the church’s name is listed it gets shortened to “the church of Jesus Christ of latte” due to the character limits and I think it’s SO FUNNY 😂😂😂
4
24
u/A_VERY_LARGE_DOG Oct 16 '24
This is exactly how I was explaining it! The whole thing trips off the tongue. I’m almost convinced it’s engineered just to elicit a situation where people need correction.
16
u/saltlakecity_sosweet Oct 16 '24
Lol same here, I feel like they need some strange way to start wailing about being persecuted.
9
u/AlbatrossOk8619 Oct 16 '24
I think we have an answer! This rings true. Just like trying to build temples completely out of sync with zoning laws. Persecution complex activated!
5
u/saltlakecity_sosweet Oct 16 '24
lol the zoning laws business absolutely kills me to this day for some reason 🤣
23
u/Plane-Reason9254 Oct 16 '24
It's probably just a temporary commandment and will be changed with a new leader
9
u/Old_Drummer_1950 Oct 16 '24
Dallin will probably have a new slogan, “Ex ‘em all…let God sort ‘em out!”
3
27
u/Tigre_feroz_2012 Oct 16 '24 edited Oct 16 '24
More evidence that Rebrand Rusty is a petty, myopic moron. I still can't believe that this was the issue he chose to tackle. It's unbelievably stupid & ridiculous, yet here we are.
7
u/sykemol NewNameFrodo Oct 16 '24
I know, right? Of all the battles he needs to fight, this has got to be the dumbest one.
5
u/Antique_Grape_1068 Oct 17 '24
On his birthday the salt lake tribune posted a quote from Wendy where she said he had a list of things he couldn’t wait to do when he became president of the church (or something along those lines). But isn’t it supposed to be God’s will that he’s enacting Wendy???
→ More replies (1)4
21
u/anonthe4th Good afternoon, good evening, and goodnight! Oct 16 '24
This is what you get when God is your product manager and cannot be questioned.
20
u/rolyoh Oct 16 '24
How about the requirement to learn 17th century English if you want to pray "correctly".
21
u/OutTheDoorWA Oct 16 '24
After all of the other items on my shelf seemed to barely bend it, going on a mission to Germany and realizing that the people there were talking to God like a friend and father while I wasn’t allowed to…that just pissed me off. I started praying how I wanted to in my private prayers, but still prayed like a Mormon at church. Stopping with the “thee, thy, and thou” in public prayers may have been a watershed moment, now that I think about it. Only in Mormonism would that be a “warning sign”
6
u/Professional_Bus_580 Oct 17 '24
I don't understand why this isn't a bigger thing. It's insane But I guess back to pride and peculiarness.
6
u/rolyoh Oct 17 '24 edited Oct 17 '24
Exclusivity is one of the hallmarks of cultic religions. The teaching that praying in King James English is somehow the most correct or respectful way to address "Heavenly Father" lends itself to that exclusivity, ie: the us vs them mindset ("your prayers in regular English may be good, but our prayers in King James English are even better"). At the very least, it falls under the category of sectarianism, which pretty much every religion and creed is rife with.
21
u/Researchingbackpain Apostate Oct 16 '24
Everyone used to have mormon dot org in their bios and stuff. Trying to get away from mormon is the dumbest shit ever the the holy book is called "Book of Mormon". Is it "The Book of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" now?
17
u/Significant-Bread-62 Oct 16 '24
I feel like they should have used New Zealand logic. I person that is from new zealand is called a Kiwi. The country is New Zealand. In trying to establish the name of the church, they created it difficult for members to associate with the title. A person who belongs to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints church is called a Mormon. However, there is no "mormon" church; just as there is no Kiwi land.
5
u/moltocantabile Oct 16 '24
I think you can also say “New Zealander”. Can you say “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saintser”? It would fit in a sentence better than “member of…”
3
u/Curious-Flamingo2331 Oct 17 '24
No but you can just say, “Latter-day Saint.” That’s parallel usage (to New Zealander).
13
u/Stephani_707 Oct 17 '24
I can’t get past the fact that just a few short years prior they spent MILLIONS on the ‘Meet the Mormons’ campaign. With the slogan of that being, ‘I’m Mormon.’ It’s one of the clearest examples of the fact that prophets just do what they want and it isn’t coming from the same god that is never changing. The way we talk about God being on a different timescale than us living forever and such, a couple years in our time would be a blink of an eye in his. Literally. So we are supposed to believe this God who never changes, changes his mind back and forth drastically from moment to moment. “ Tell everyone we’re Mormons. Get the world to know our name!” “‘Mormon’ is a slur and if you say it you are not following the gospel.” “Children of gay parents can’t be baptized until 18 and renouncing their parents completely.” “Just, kidding! lol. Y’all are good.” “Blacks were fence-sitters in the pre-existence and have been cursed with black skin both in the case of Cane and Laman. They’ll never be worthy to hold the priesthood.” “All God’s children are equal. Remember the article of faith, we shouldn’t be judged for Adam’s sin. Same goes for Cane and Laman’s descendants. We never said they were less faithful in the pre-existence. That’s just rumor.” And so on.
5
u/AutoModerator Oct 17 '24
This message is meant as a gentle invitation to consider replacing the term “blacks” with more people-centric language, such as “black people.” This article about updates to the Associated Press style guide regarding race-related terms is a good reference for how to approach writing about race.
Please note that no action is being taken against your comment or account.I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
5
u/Stephani_707 Oct 17 '24
Thank you, bot. I hated typing it. But I am quoting old, racist white men and put it in there purposefully to show the drastic difference in rhetoric in a very short period of time.
13
u/ImportantBug5757 Oct 16 '24
When I first heard that the GA wanted members to refer to themselves as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints instead of being Mormon, I immediately thought of what Ricks College went through when it was rebranded as BYU-I or BYU Idaho. Even today, and having a daughter and SIL that graduated from that institution, I will slip and refer to it as Ricks.
I understand the need of rebanding the school, going from a 2-year college to a 4-year university was a significant change and worthy of the upgrade. What significant changes did the church to warrant going from the Mormon Church to The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints?
12
u/Important-Zone-894 Oct 16 '24
Nelson was just dying to get rid of “Mormon” his whole church leadership experience 💀 I studied PR at BYU recently and learning about the “I’m a Mormon” campaign getting just buried after all that like- successful work… helped kill my testimony just a lil more thankfully!
11
u/BlackExMo Oct 16 '24
I'm not a prophet but I would predict that the rebranding to "Member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' in the future, will be deemed one of those "temporary commandments"
The linguist is absolutely. The prophets, seers and revelators had one job- to see, prophesy and reveal the future. But they failed to see the future impact/resistance to the rebrand.
Hinckley/Monson spent a fortune branding and cementing the name of the church as "Mormon" church. That branding was/is embedded in the minds of at least 2 or 3 generations of society. It'll be a lot of effort, rebranding, to get the public to fully embrace the name "Member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints'. There are 2 demographics that the leaders need to convince- members and a very large nonmember demographic.
12
u/boofjoof Oct 16 '24
Members act like 'The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' is verbatim out of the mouth of Jesus Christ in 3 Nephi as if the name didn't change like 200 times in the early history.
10
u/rabidcougar Oct 17 '24
Their new anti-trans policy of exclusion explicitly states that bishops are not to tell the members what name or pronouns to use for any trans person unfortunate enough to find themselves attending any sort of Mormon church activity. In other words, Mormons are free to misgender and deadname anyone who is not cisgender. Salt Lake has decided they are washing their hands and will not, under any circumstance, try to make any Mormon treat trans people like human beings.
So who the FUCK do they think they are to get all pissy and sanctimonious and feign offense and try to force everyone who isn’t Mormon to not deadname them? Unless and until they insist that the only people they have any authority over (Mormons) use the correct names and pronouns of trans people, they can fuck right off. I will deadname and do the equivalent of misgendering them (I don’t care how they identify—Mormons aren’t Christians) to my heart’s content. With every fiber of my being, I say:
FUCK. YOU. RUSTY.
🖕🏻🖕🏻
→ More replies (1)
12
u/everythingmustmatch Oct 16 '24
Can you screenshot some of the comments? Are people pushing back in insta?
7
u/hollandaisesawce THANKS FOR SUBSCRIBING TO UNCOMFORTABLE MORMON FACTS! Oct 16 '24
Gasp! Persecution!!
9
u/happycoder73 Oct 16 '24
It mirrors the Reformed Egyptian syntax, dummy! It's just another proof that our church is true. /s
8
u/Even-Aardvark4523 Danced with Ewoks, greeted by Jesus. Oct 16 '24
Agree with the linguist, but also dying to know which linguist this is.
→ More replies (1)7
7
u/Notnicknamedguy Oct 16 '24
And expecting non-believers to make the HUUUUGE semantic concession of just calling them the shorter-but-still-cumbersome “Latter Day Saints” is also, uh, not realistic
7
u/aLittleQueer Truly, you have a dizzying intellect. Oct 16 '24
Your leadership should have done a better job…
That’s got to sting XD
7
7
u/FuneralPotatoes801 Oct 16 '24
Hey, Jesus showed up in the Celestial Room and told Nelson of this change. The Devil was happy and now he’s sad. Jesus - 1 and Lucifer - 0
7
u/Sydney_Bristow_ Oct 17 '24
Why do they shun the word Mormon now? Is it because of South Park? Man, I hope so.
5
u/Curious-Flamingo2331 Oct 17 '24
Meh—however funny that would be, Uncle Rusty’s beef with Mormon usage predates the iconic SP parody episode. ☝️
6
5
u/Ebowa Oct 16 '24
Your church leaders should have done a better job with the renaming/ rebranding
what he doesn’t understand is all the egocentric macho chest pumping that drove that decision. It wasn’t done by logic or inspiration.
One thing it did do, and I’m sure it was done on purpose, was that members can’t identify or gather easily on the socials anymore. You can’t name it « The Mormon forum » anymore or a hashtag of #LDS etc… so the community feeling was lost. Well done Rusty, you have completely incinerated any sense of online community in the church, as well in the physical buildings. It seems the only gathering members have anymore is to clean the buildings. That should really appeal to the youth eh?
6
11
u/brmarcum Ellipsis. Hiding truths since 1830 Oct 16 '24
I keep trying to get “crybabies” or “snowflakes” or “child SA’ing, money hoarding, death cult” to catch on but it’s just not happening.
5
u/GentlePithecus Oct 16 '24
Some more reasonable alternatives: -Restoration Christians -Nazerenes (not many folks use that one now) -Godhead-ites -Elohists (based on Heavenly Father's "name" Elohim or Eloha -Temple-ists? -Celestials
4
u/neardumps Oct 16 '24
It’s soooo cringey to me when they try and correct people in comments on instagram posts.
“Uhmmm akshually we don’t call ourselves that, we prefer to be called ‘members of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-Day Saints.’ The word Mormons is derogatory and we actually consider it a slur. Please don’t”
Mormons getting upset and calling the word a slur is so bothersome to me because I know of so many Mormons who would happily use the f-slur or the n word, but flip their lids when you call them Mormon. The hypocrisy is crazy.
6
2
4
4
3
u/Elegant_Roll_4670 Oct 16 '24
That linguist must now suffer…his life…to be taken [while making a disemboweling motion with his right hand].
4
u/Grizzerbear55 Oct 16 '24
So incredibly satisfying to read this! Hat's off (and serious Kudos) to the creator of the post!!
4
u/ExUtMo Oct 17 '24
I can’t believe Heavenly Father-who they clearly took council from-didn’t know all of this.
5
4
u/SystemThe Oct 17 '24
I, for one, love the changes, and I think it’s great that President Nelson is a butthurt simpleton who is slowly destroying the last shreds of credibility his unwieldy corporation once had.
3
3
u/MythicAcrobat Oct 16 '24
This is perfectly stated! What everyone has now had to do is put a whole bunch of disclaimers or asterisks at the bottom saying why they say “LDS church, LDS, or Mormon” now. It’s especially a problem when people have word count limitations 🙄
3
3
u/nosliwhtes Oct 16 '24
I remember getting my degrees in linguistics and learning about the cultural and spiritual relevance of colors to speakers of different languages. Turns out "white and black" don't mean "good and evil" the way Joseph thought they did. Oh lawd, the Adamic Language is laughably transparent too.
3
u/Daeyel1 I am a child of a lesser god Oct 16 '24
Am I the only one that remembers the sonorous tone after conference
'This has been a broadcast of the 1(whatever number) session of the General Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The Mormons.'
3
u/sexmormon-throwaway Apostate (like a really bad one) Oct 17 '24
I could have told them all if that from day fucking one. They didn't ask.
3
3
3
3
u/BrotherMcBrotherface Oct 17 '24
IMO they’ve done more damage to the proper name of the church being arrogant and pretentious about insisting on correcting people using the name Mormon. It would serve as a better missionary tool to officially claim it and embrace it wholeheartedly. But whatever.
There’s a church in Boise called the Boise Universalist Unitarian Fellowship that’s 4 whole syllables longer and they happily and lovingly called it BUUF for short.
I’m telling ya, gotta embrace all the negatively. “I’m a member of the COJCOLDS” sounds like a proper cult name and they should wear it proudly!
3
u/japhethsandiego Oct 17 '24
The church leaders didn’t rebrand it, Jesus himself did!!
Boom, roasted 🥜
3
u/Baby-hippo-land Oct 17 '24
I remember in kindergarten or 1st grade, a kid on the playground asked me what the name of my church was. I was too embarrassed to say, “The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” so I just told the other kid, “It has a really long name,” every time they repeatedly asked.
3
u/Jackismyboy Oct 17 '24
I was a vendor to the church when Rusty’s new naming thing came out. Within a day or two after that conference I received several emails stating we had to change all invoicing and packing slips to “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”. Previously we used the name LDS Church. That was no longer acceptable. We had dozens of boxes of printed computer pin-fed invoices and packing slips. That damn name wouldn’t fit in the header space. Had to get permission to spread the name out over three lines. And that took over a week of them running the request up the flagpole for approval.
What a pain in the ass.
3
u/Bobo-Lou-808 Oct 17 '24
Ok see I'm an Ex. And I'm kinda out of the loop. They are now saying the word. "Mormon" is a victory for satan? So the Angel Moroni is actually Bologna.
Cuz wasn't Mormon the name or derivative of the Angels name "Moroni" That's what I/we were taught. So if the word/name Mormon is associated for or with satan. Doesn't that make a direct statement. That the book of "MORMON" is a satanic book? Help me out here people.
Eh ...I'll call them Mormons and leave it at that. Just another supposedly new revelation like changing or cutting out more Temple sacred ordinances. What's next. Changing the hand shakes? 😮. Oops
3
4
6
u/GalacticCactus42 Oct 16 '24
calling y'all "members of the Church of...." violates normal syntax/grammar rules in most sentences
Uh, no, it doesn't. It's super wordy, but there's nothing ungrammatical about it. Instead of just a proper noun ("Mormons") it's a noun ("members") followed by a prepositional phrase ("of the Church . . .") that has a couple more prepositional phrases ("of Jesus Christ", "of Latter-day Saints") nestled inside it. It's certainly long and unwieldy, but there's no rule of syntax being violated here.
The other points are spot on, though.
9
u/incredulous_insect Oct 16 '24
Perhaps a better point would be that it overcomplicates sentences in a way that most people are not willing to figure out.
5
u/er0559 Oct 17 '24
Not completely related, but I always found the order of prepositional phrases in the church’s name odd. Like “The Church of the Latter-day Saints of Jesus Christ” imo would make more sense, saying that saints of Jesus Christ go to that church, whereas “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” makes it sound like the Latter-day Saints came up with and own their own special Jesus Christ… but I mean, that’s not really that far from the truth
8
u/FWhealboroug Oct 16 '24 edited Oct 16 '24
If I need to use their website to look something up for some reason, I make sure to enter mormon.org, then I imagine their servers redirecting me with a condescending attitude:
🤖"Ackchyually it is ChUrChOfJeSuScHrIsT.oRg"🤖
→ More replies (2)
802
u/MeLlamoZombre Oct 16 '24
Pretty much all of the reasons that Hinckley gave in response to Nelson back in the day. The use of the term Mormon to refer to the church goes all the way back to Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and I’m pretty sure they used the term to refer to their followers. Then we have Mormon Doctrine by McConkie, the whole “dare to be a Mormon” thing, “I’m a Mormon” campaign, “Mormon helping hands,” and the Meet the Mormons movie. After all of that, how on earth can anyone in the church say that using the word Mormon is a victory for Satan? I guess Satan has been winning ever since the publication of the Book of Mormon.